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2013-04-18 12:43:57 PM
This article is almost everything that's wrong with Washington.  Literally no mention of party in this op-ed, proving that the GOP continues to play this 100% right and everyone keeps falling for it. The GOP has learned, continuously, that they can obstruct the Senate and not get blamed for it by anyone. Rather, the "Senate" gets blamed, making people hate their Senators and vote them out, which helps the minority party.

m.static.newsvine.com


When you make the wrong diagnosis, you will never have the right cure.
 
2013-04-18 12:44:11 PM
Our democracy's history is littered with names we neither remember nor celebrate - people who stood in the way of progress while protecting the powerful. On Wednesday, a number of senators voted to join that list.

That line deserves a lot of repeating in a lot of different places.
 
2013-04-18 01:02:15 PM

SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby.


I wish I knew why. They haven't been particularly imposing lately.
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2013-04-18 01:02:39 PM
The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed". Answer this why do the monsters choose places where guns are banned for their mass killings? Why where the monsters try mass killings where guns are openly carried and owned do the monsters avoid or are killed before they get very far. Every one I know owns many guns and we are in the majority. Please if you hate guns place a sign in your front yard that reads "THIS IS A GUN FREE HOME". I will pay for a professional sign for you.
 
2013-04-18 01:05:27 PM

maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed".


It reads other things too, you know, about well-regulated militias to protect against enemies foreign to the government.

How long until Michelle Malkin or some other right wing coont questions whether Giffords has the capacity to have actually writeen the Op-Ed?
 
2013-04-18 01:05:34 PM

maxalt: Answer this


No.
 
2013-04-18 01:15:00 PM
Try as you may, you cannot legislate away societal problems.
And regardless of the laws passed, what happened in Newton will happen again.
 
2013-04-18 01:18:46 PM

minoridiot: And regardless of the laws passed, what happened in Newton will happen again.


This is, still, the most juvenile argument being made. It's an argument against all laws. People will always break the law, that doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws. So goddamn stupid.
 
2013-04-18 01:22:00 PM

minoridiot: Try as you may, you cannot legislate away societal problems.
And regardless of the laws passed, what happened in Newton will happen again.


Only the naive think regulation will STOP these things.

Only the heartless or uninformed think that regulation will not help DECREASE these things.

No one thought making seatbelts or motorcycle helmets mandatory would STOP deaths in accidents.

It is unarguably true that such deaths DECREASED with the regulations.
 
2013-04-18 01:25:01 PM

maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed". Answer this why do the monsters choose places where guns are banned for their mass killings? Why where the monsters try mass killings where guns are openly carried and owned do the monsters avoid or are killed before they get very far. Every one I know owns many guns and we are in the majority. Please if you hate guns place a sign in your front yard that reads "THIS IS A GUN FREE HOME". I will pay for a professional sign for you.


This wasn't a gun ban, it was increased background checks.
 
2013-04-18 01:25:54 PM

maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed". Answer this why do the monsters choose places where guns are banned for their mass killings? Why where the monsters try mass killings where guns are openly carried and owned do the monsters avoid or are killed before they get very far. Every one I know owns many guns and we are in the majority. Please if you hate guns place a sign in your front yard that reads "THIS IS A GUN FREE HOME". I will pay for a professional sign for you.


1/10 Too obvious, Mr. Alt
 
2013-04-18 01:27:04 PM

minoridiot: Try as you may, you cannot legislate away societal problems.
And regardless of the laws passed, what happened in Newton will happen again.


Defeatism. Fatalism.

Bad things are inevitable, therefore we shouldn't do anything.

Just sit. Wait. Watch. Rinse repeat.

We got a real stoic here.
 
2013-04-18 01:27:35 PM

minoridiot: Try as you may, you cannot legislate away societal problems.


Post-New Deal poverty levels among the elderly would like to have a word with you.
 
2013-04-18 01:28:03 PM

Pocket Ninja: Our democracy's history is littered with names we neither remember nor celebrate - people who stood in the way of progress while protecting the powerful. On Wednesday, a number of senators voted to join that list.

That line deserves a lot of repeating in a lot of different places.


pwnage
 
2013-04-18 01:28:16 PM
elchip:

This wasn't a gun ban, it was increased background checks.

That's the infuriating part of this. They voted down the concept of being more careful. The next school shooting is squarely on their shoulders.
 
2013-04-18 01:28:42 PM

maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed".


No, it doesn't. No more than Hamlet read "To be or not to be".

Answer this why do the monsters choose places where guns are banned for their mass killings?

Fort Hood is a gun-free zone?

Why where the monsters try mass killings where guns are openly carried and owned do the monsters avoid or are killed before they get very far.

Like Fort Hood?

Ignoring your terrible grammar and spelling....

Fort Hood is a gun free zone? Colorado gives out concealed carry permits. Why did nobody stop the theater shooting?

Please if you hate guns

So, since I don't, what should I do?
 
2013-04-18 01:29:19 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Only the heartless or uninformed think that regulation will not help DECREASE these things.


Regulating who can get a drivers license does not prevent stolen cars.

Likewise, Background checks don't prevent stolen guns.

Columbine was comitted stolen guns.

Newtown was comitted with a stolen gun.

The VT shooter used pistols that would not all under any firearms regulations currently proposed and had a background check performed on him.

So what does this legislation actually DO? Nothing at all. It's a nice political football for politicians to kick around in order to get re-elected, which is the only thing they know how to do.
 
2013-04-18 01:30:39 PM

DeArmondVI: minoridiot: Try as you may, you cannot legislate away societal problems.
And regardless of the laws passed, what happened in Newton will happen again.

Defeatism. Fatalism.

Bad things are inevitable, therefore we shouldn't do anything.

Just sit. Wait. Watch. Rinse repeat.

We got a real stoic here.



"You've got to help us. We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."
-Ned Flanders' mother
 
2013-04-18 01:30:54 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed".

It reads other things too, you know, about well-regulated militias to protect against enemies foreign to the government.

How long until Michelle Malkin or some other right wing coont questions whether Giffords has the capacity to have actually writeen the Op-Ed?


The underlying implication being that she is a puppet being used by shadowy gun grabbing forces behind the curtain.

Oh you know its coming.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:55 PM

skozlaw: maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed".

No, it doesn't. No more than Hamlet read "To be or not to be".

Answer this why do the monsters choose places where guns are banned for their mass killings?

Fort Hood is a gun-free zone?

Why where the monsters try mass killings where guns are openly carried and owned do the monsters avoid or are killed before they get very far.

Like Fort Hood?

Ignoring your terrible grammar and spelling....

Fort Hood is a gun free zone? Colorado gives out concealed carry permits. Why did nobody stop the theater shooting?

Please if you hate guns

So, since I don't, what should I do?


The theater was a 'gun free' zone. They had signs and everything.

//CO resident, been to the Century 16 many times.
///Also, military bases are also 'gun free' zones.
 
2013-04-18 01:32:13 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: So goddamn stupid.


The longer this goes on the harder I find it not to just make that line my automatic response to the gun-rights crowd's comments.

There still hasn't been one single, rational, intelligent and honest answer put forward as to why we shouldn't expand checks to cover all purchases. The opposition to such a common sense measure is just so mind-bendingly stupid.
 
2013-04-18 01:32:45 PM

skozlaw: So, since I don't, what should I do?


Stop responding to obvious trolls with the word "Alt" in their name, for starters.
 
2013-04-18 01:33:12 PM
usahitman.com

She seems to be a pretty good shot.
 
2013-04-18 01:33:22 PM
maxalt: words

tl;dr
 
2013-04-18 01:34:25 PM

fluffy2097: AdolfOliverPanties: Only the heartless or uninformed think that regulation will not help DECREASE these things.

Regulating who can get a drivers license does not prevent stolen cars.

Likewise, Background checks don't prevent stolen guns.

Columbine was comitted stolen guns.

Newtown was comitted with a stolen gun.

The VT shooter used pistols that would not all under any firearms regulations currently proposed and had a background check performed on him.

So what does this legislation actually DO? Nothing at all. It's a nice political football for politicians to kick around in order to get re-elected, which is the only thing they know how to do.


Universal background checks in Colorado have...
* Stopped 38 people previously convicted of homicide from buying a gun
* Stopped 600 people previously convicted of burglary from buying a gun
* Stopped 1300 people previously convicted of felony assaults from buying a gun
* Stopped 400 people with current restraining orders from buying a gun
* Led to the arrest of 236 people with warrants for violent felonies who went to buy guns

Seriously.  <b>No matter what laws you make, people will break them.  That doesn't make the law worthless.</b>  Laws against murder and rape don't prevent all murders and rapes, does that mean we shouldn't outlaw it?
 
2013-04-18 01:34:57 PM

skozlaw: Dusk-You-n-Me: So goddamn stupid.

The longer this goes on the harder I find it not to just make that line my automatic response to the gun-rights crowd's comments.

There still hasn't been one single, rational, intelligent and honest answer put forward as to why we shouldn't expand checks to cover all purchases. The opposition to such a common sense measure is just so mind-bendingly stupid.


The problem isn't the checks themselves, it's the record keeping requirements.
 
2013-04-18 01:35:56 PM
Good. Republicans keep talking about how they care about children and care about families and about Family Values. They have a funny way of showing it.
 
2013-04-18 01:36:13 PM

elchip: fluffy2097: AdolfOliverPanties: Only the heartless or uninformed think that regulation will not help DECREASE these things.

Regulating who can get a drivers license does not prevent stolen cars.

Likewise, Background checks don't prevent stolen guns.

Columbine was comitted stolen guns.

Newtown was comitted with a stolen gun.

The VT shooter used pistols that would not all under any firearms regulations currently proposed and had a background check performed on him.

So what does this legislation actually DO? Nothing at all. It's a nice political football for politicians to kick around in order to get re-elected, which is the only thing they know how to do.

Universal background checks in Colorado have...
* Stopped 38 people previously convicted of homicide from buying a gun
* Stopped 600 people previously convicted of burglary from buying a gun
* Stopped 1300 people previously convicted of felony assaults from buying a gun
* Stopped 400 people with current restraining orders from buying a gun
* Led to the arrest of 236 people with warrants for violent felonies who went to buy guns

Seriously.  <b>No matter what laws you make, people will break them.  That doesn't make the law worthless.</b>  Laws against murder and rape don't prevent all murders and rapes, does that mean we shouldn't outlaw it?


Where are you getting those numbers?

Colorado resident.
 
2013-04-18 01:37:14 PM

Pocket Ninja: Our democracy's history is littered with names we neither remember nor celebrate - people who stood in the way of progress while protecting the powerful. On Wednesday, a number of senators voted to join that list.

That line deserves a lot of repeating in a lot of different places.


Only politicians that help grow the government and increase its power are hailed as heroes.
 
2013-04-18 01:37:25 PM
FTA: "SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets."

THIS BILL WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ANYTHING TO SAVE THOSE CHILDREN YOU STUPID SLUT.
 
2013-04-18 01:37:52 PM
If guns are so bad, then why are all of Obama's Secret Service agents armed with them? The President should set an example for us all and disarm them. If something comes up they can deal with it diplomatically.
 
2013-04-18 01:38:03 PM

fluffy2097: AdolfOliverPanties: Only the heartless or uninformed think that regulation will not help DECREASE these things.

Regulating who can get a drivers license does not prevent stolen cars.

Likewise, Background checks don't prevent stolen guns.

Columbine was comitted stolen guns.

Newtown was comitted with a stolen gun.

The VT shooter used pistols that would not all under any firearms regulations currently proposed and had a background check performed on him.

So what does this legislation actually DO? Nothing at all. It's a nice political football for politicians to kick around in order to get re-elected, which is the only thing they know how to do.


I sure heard a lot of whining, yelling and predictions of doom from the pro-gun crowd.  So what you're saying is that those guys were full of shiat?  Or just stupid?
 
2013-04-18 01:38:22 PM

fluffy2097: The VT shooter used pistols that would not all under any firearms regulations currently proposed and had a background check performed on him.


Accept that he did have a history of mental illness that was not caught by the background checks due to loopholes in reporting mental illnesses for background checks, which is one of the things targeted in this bill.

Also, it might be that some of the guns used at Columbine were stolen, but several were procured at a gun show by an older relative (who did jail time).

Again, this law will not prevent every mass shooting, but it will help decrease the chance of them.

Failure to enact this bill is only ensuring that the next round of action after the next shooting will be even more drastic.  Hopefully by then there will be less Republicans beholden to the NRA in power.
 
2013-04-18 01:38:46 PM

skozlaw: maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed".

No, it doesn't. No more than Hamlet read "To be or not to be".

Answer this why do the monsters choose places where guns are banned for their mass killings?

Fort Hood is a gun-free zone?

Why where the monsters try mass killings where guns are openly carried and owned do the monsters avoid or are killed before they get very far.

Like Fort Hood?

Ignoring your terrible grammar and spelling....

Fort Hood is a gun free zone? Colorado gives out concealed carry permits. Why did nobody stop the theater shooting?

Please if you hate guns

So, since I don't, what should I do?


As a soldier who deployed from Ft Hood, the staging area for deploying soldiers was gun or at least ammunition free(at that time) as the soldiers were boarding int'l flights. Don't talk about what you don't know about.
 
2013-04-18 01:38:49 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: it's the record keeping requirements.


There are none. Already illegal and explicitly banned in the Toomey-Manchin proposal.
 
2013-04-18 01:39:21 PM

minoridiot: Try as you may, you cannot legislate away societal problems.
And regardless of the laws passed, what happened in Newton will happen again.


Drinking and driving was a major societal ill and I'm sure legislation played a big part in reducing it.
 
2013-04-18 01:40:02 PM
Domestic terrorism enablers? In my Congress? You don't say!
 
2013-04-18 01:40:16 PM

AngryDragon: FTA: "SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets."

THIS BILL WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ANYTHING TO SAVE THOSE CHILDREN YOU STUPID SLUT.


Because those are the only children to die from gunfire....
 
2013-04-18 01:40:40 PM
You get the government you deserve
 
2013-04-18 01:41:17 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: The problem isn't the checks themselves, it's the record keeping requirements.


Can you expand on that please, keeping in mind (if this has any bearing on what you are trying to say) that the latest proposed law specifically outlawed a national database?
 
2013-04-18 01:41:51 PM

Dog Welder: Failure to enact this bill is only ensuring that the next round of action after the next shooting will be even more drastic. Hopefully by then there will be less Republicans beholden to the NRA in power.


bwhahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahah

Oh that's funny. You think that's how government works?

no! no! no! no! my child!

Nothing gets done and you re-elect them because of it. THAT'S how government works.
 
2013-04-18 01:42:02 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: skozlaw: Dusk-You-n-Me: So goddamn stupid.

The longer this goes on the harder I find it not to just make that line my automatic response to the gun-rights crowd's comments.

There still hasn't been one single, rational, intelligent and honest answer put forward as to why we shouldn't expand checks to cover all purchases. The opposition to such a common sense measure is just so mind-bendingly stupid.

The problem isn't the checks themselves, it's the record keeping requirements.


That's right. Nothing wrong with the check, but in order to enforce it you'd need a registry to verify whether the check was done or not. And history has proven time and time again that registries lead to confiscation.
 
2013-04-18 01:42:35 PM

skozlaw: maxalt: The 2nd amendment reads "shall not be infringed".

No, it doesn't. No more than Hamlet read "To be or not to be".

Answer this why do the monsters choose places where guns are banned for their mass killings?

Fort Hood is a gun-free zone?

Why where the monsters try mass killings where guns are openly carried and owned do the monsters avoid or are killed before they get very far.

Like Fort Hood?

Ignoring your terrible grammar and spelling....

Fort Hood is a gun free zone? Colorado gives out concealed carry permits. Why did nobody stop the theater shooting?

Please if you hate guns

So, since I don't, what should I do?


Vote Republican?
 
2013-04-18 01:43:00 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Where are you getting those numbers?

Colorado resident.


Hickenlooper interview
 
2013-04-18 01:43:08 PM

AngryDragon: FTA: "SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets."

THIS BILL WOULD NOT HAVE DONE ANYTHING TO SAVE THOSE CHILDREN YOU STUPID SLUT.


So you are saying the bill should also include the ban of the types of weapons used in the Newtown tragedy?
 
2013-04-18 01:43:22 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: Ow! That was my feelings!: skozlaw: Dusk-You-n-Me: So goddamn stupid.

The longer this goes on the harder I find it not to just make that line my automatic response to the gun-rights crowd's comments.

There still hasn't been one single, rational, intelligent and honest answer put forward as to why we shouldn't expand checks to cover all purchases. The opposition to such a common sense measure is just so mind-bendingly stupid.

The problem isn't the checks themselves, it's the record keeping requirements.

That's right. Nothing wrong with the check, but in order to enforce it you'd need a registry to verify whether the check was done or not. And history has proven time and time again that registries lead to confiscation.


Damnit. They're coming for my car????
 
2013-04-18 01:43:26 PM

fluffy2097: AdolfOliverPanties: Only the heartless or uninformed think that regulation will not help DECREASE these things.

Regulating who can get a drivers license does not prevent stolen cars.

Likewise, Background checks don't prevent stolen guns.

Columbine was comitted stolen guns.

Newtown was comitted with a stolen gun.

The VT shooter used pistols that would not all under any firearms regulations currently proposed and had a background check performed on him.

So what does this legislation actually DO? Nothing at all. It's a nice political football for politicians to kick around in order to get re-elected, which is the only thing they know how to do.


The Silk Road exists, so we should get rid of all drug laws.
Rape exists, so we should repeal those laws, they're just "political footballs"
People get away with insider trading, so the SEC should be defunded -- after all, they're not preventing ALL financial fraud.
Our current immigration laws don't prevent illegal immigration, so we shouldn't do anything at all.
Ta dah.
 
2013-04-18 01:43:49 PM

hugram: So you are saying the bill should also include the ban of the types of weapons used in the Newtown tragedy?


We could ban murder. That would solve it.
 
2013-04-18 01:44:34 PM

Pick: If guns are so bad, then why are all of Obama's Secret Service agents armed with them? The President should set an example for us all and disarm them. If something comes up they can deal with it diplomatically.


Hey dickwad, I bet all those Secret Service agents have had some pretty stringent background checks, sounds like a great example for us all to follow. When someone floats a bill to 'disarm' people, you can bring out that bullshiat argument, until then I suggest you address the issue at hand, and not some phantom scenario.
 
2013-04-18 01:45:00 PM

fluffy2097: hugram: So you are saying the bill should also include the ban of the types of weapons used in the Newtown tragedy?

We could ban murder. That would solve it.


With the exception of Va Tech and Ft Hood, it's usually white guys pulling this crap off. Ban white guys!!!!
 
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