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(Detroit Free Press)   New study shows that businesses generally don't want to be located in places that are both high in taxes and crime. This surprises some people   ( divider line
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2013-04-18 12:54:59 PM  
2 votes:
Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.
2013-04-19 12:02:22 PM  
1 vote:

plc5_250: GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.

The only way that is going to happen ("force" not withstanding) is if the city/county goes in and clears the wrecked buildings out first.

For example, I can't see any business taking over the old Packard Plant on Grand: huge industrial complex, sat "empty" for years, nothing but graffiti holding up the walls now, probably cost in the millions to clear the entire facility so that new development could even start.

I don't know, maybe if the entire property was given away AND some sort of realistic incentive was put out to encourage the teardown/redevelopment.  I'm not holding my breath - I don't think you could even convince Dan Gilbert to step in.

Danny Boy is busy buying up every square inch of ground between the Fisher, Chrysler and Lodge freeways and the river, or at least, the stuff that the Marouns don't already own.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: As with all of the worlds greatest cities, NYC also has the advantage of sitting on the intersection of several major trade routes. NYC doesn't need to attract people, people and goods must come to it. Detroit on the other hand only ever became a major US city because of the decision to put the automotive industry there. Based on its location it should never have been more than a second rate city, like Raleigh or Scranton. Detroit never had much going for it except cars and with the car manufacturing gone there is little reason for businesses to move to Detroit. You have all the high crime and taxes of a major city with none of the advantages.

You really have no idea what you're talking about. There was no "decision" to base the industry in Detroit; the auto industry became identified with Detroit because it had the industrial base and sat on major trade routes and finally, the simple fact that a striking majority of the people who prospered in the early auto business were all from Detroit or nearby.

The Great Lakes made it possible to ship iron ore cheaply from northern Minnesota right up to the factory door, as was done at the Rouge. Coal was easily supplied, via rail, both from local supplies and from Appalachia. You had skilled coach builders and wagon makers all across northern Ohio and Indiana and southern Michigan. Detroit already had an industrial base and led the country in the manufacture of everything from bicycles to cast-iron stoves.

Detroit became the capital of the auto industry precisely because it sat at a central point for trade and industry. It remains a nexus to this day thanks to quirks of geography and the persistence of trade patterns. Today, the bridge at Detroit carries 25 percent of all the trade between the US and Canada. (The railroad tunnel also carries a shiatload of freight.) No, it will never replace Chicago as a hub, and it's unlikely that Detroit will ever get back to its peak population of the 1950s. But Scranton?

Fark you.
2013-04-18 11:23:48 PM  
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GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.

If both parties in this state weren't chasing a moronic vision of making this a manufacturing-based state we might have a chance.  All the eedjits want is the photo-op with the hard hats when they could have taken advantage of UW-Madison's early strides in bio-tech or tried to grow the bunch of regional insurers based here, or half a dozen other sustainable industries.  But no, let's promote the dying sector that hasn't found us appealing since the 60's.  They'll love our "meh" inspiring transportation infrastructure and unpredictable weather.
2013-04-18 10:15:13 PM  
1 vote:

sethstorm: maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.

Thank Mr. Snyder(R-ALEC)

Thank goodness I don't even know who Mr. Snyder was or is. But I do know this a undercover cop I knew was following Coleman Youngs relative who was dealing drugs. The driver of the under cover cop car rear ended the car they were following. After they had to show id the drug dealers knew that they were being followed, my friend asked why, and his partner said there is a lot of money if you help the right people. That is not word for word but that is what happened. Now California is just as bad as Detroit was in the 1970's.
2013-04-18 08:53:39 PM  
1 vote:

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Or, stated in in less florid terms, regions that are less burdened with crippling regulation and taxation and that offer employees who are educated and not ready to go on strike at the drop of a hat. Yep, that's where they want to be.
2013-04-18 04:14:24 PM  
1 vote:

GoldSpider: IrateShadow: There isn't a legislative entity in the country powerful enough to force a Fortune 500 there and anything smaller would effectively be given a death sentence.

Then we ought be work on giving that kind of power to the right legislative jurisdiction.  Maybe eminent domain can be leveraged, for the "public good" after all.

This may be the stupidest idea I have ever heard. You realize businesses can and do just go out of business, right?
2013-04-18 03:51:13 PM  
1 vote:

slayer199: Compuware

I still think we should waterboard Kilpatrick until he spills the bad news on Compuware.  I mean they offered his felonious a six figure job the moment he walked out of prison, dude has to know about mass graves or something.
2013-04-18 03:46:43 PM  
1 vote:

HotWingConspiracy: Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?

Probably. Business can generally game the tax system anyway. Not such an easy task with street crime.

Taxes are high for a reason, and those reasons are why the businesses want to be there. At least the office types that are in NYC.
2013-04-18 03:41:54 PM  
1 vote:

GoldSpider: IrateShadow: You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).

Right, but I was thinking something a bit more forceful than "incentives".  The "type of people" will remain that way until they are given opportunity.

When half the city isn't functionally literate and 1/3 of them don't graduate high school, you're not working from a labor force that can easily be brought up to speed.

The epidemic failings of the Detroit Public School system, the complete lack of positive role models, the inability of the police department (which is often seen as the enemy) to keep people (and property) safe, decaying infrastructure designed for a population about three times what it has, institutionally corrupt - and frequently racist - government officials all combine to require a decades long Herculean effort to fix.
2013-04-18 02:28:52 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: Wisconsin job growth plummeted from 11th, before Walker was in office, to 44th in the nation in job growth. Walker made significant inroads in reducing regulation in the name of increasing job growth.

Not quite. Wisconsin went from 36th the year before to 44th, but was positive in both years. Hardly a condemnation for a guy who has been in office all of two years.
2013-04-18 02:06:45 PM  
1 vote:

DigitalCoffee: AngryDragon: You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats by thieves, crooks, and liars for the last 50 years, right?

You're just being redundant
2013-04-18 01:32:15 PM  
1 vote:

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.


You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?
2013-04-18 01:25:36 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.

Possibly because Wisconsin is not an unregulated wonderland with slave labor. But whatever.
2013-04-18 01:17:14 PM  
1 vote:
Beside all of that, toss in the lovely lingering tension between Oakland County, where all the regional investment capital is centered, and Detroit over "white flight" and it just makes the entire business climate extremely unpleasant.  Why invest in Detroit when at least 20% of your workforce is going to buy the bullshiat that the Kilpatricks, Coyners, and Riddles of the local political scene have spewed about some bullshiat Illumanti-esque conspiracy to destroy Wayne County?  Just go stick your business in Dearborn, Ypsilanti, or an of dozens of other locations that have plenty of workers and none of the hostility.

Unless you have a business that has real estate in the green zone and benefits from easy access to the border, it isn't really worth the hassle.
2013-04-18 12:51:47 PM  
1 vote:
While they're focusing on the inside-out (lack of public transportation the poor can't find work), Detroit also has a hard time attracting and keeping talent.

I've been called by recruiters regarding positions in Detroit and my response is always, "Thanks but not thanks."


City taxes

There's zero benefit to taking a job inside the city unless you have to.
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