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(Detroit Free Press)   New study shows that businesses generally don't want to be located in places that are both high in taxes and crime. This surprises some people   (freep.com) divider line 70
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2013-04-18 12:43:47 PM  
Just plop down Vu tower and you'll be all good
 
2013-04-18 12:51:47 PM  
While they're focusing on the inside-out (lack of public transportation the poor can't find work), Detroit also has a hard time attracting and keeping talent.

I've been called by recruiters regarding positions in Detroit and my response is always, "Thanks but not thanks."

Why?

Commute
Crime
City taxes

There's zero benefit to taking a job inside the city unless you have to.
 
2013-04-18 12:54:59 PM  
Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.
 
2013-04-18 01:09:48 PM  
It's not like a low value is great either, example being Bridgeport ct.
 
2013-04-18 01:10:56 PM  

thecpt: It's not like a low value is great either, example being Bridgeport ct.


Meant for the sprawl portion of the article
 
2013-04-18 01:12:49 PM  
I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.
 
2013-04-18 01:17:14 PM  
Beside all of that, toss in the lovely lingering tension between Oakland County, where all the regional investment capital is centered, and Detroit over "white flight" and it just makes the entire business climate extremely unpleasant.  Why invest in Detroit when at least 20% of your workforce is going to buy the bullshiat that the Kilpatricks, Coyners, and Riddles of the local political scene have spewed about some bullshiat Illumanti-esque conspiracy to destroy Wayne County?  Just go stick your business in Dearborn, Ypsilanti, or an of dozens of other locations that have plenty of workers and none of the hostility.

Unless you have a business that has real estate in the green zone and benefits from easy access to the border, it isn't really worth the hassle.
 
2013-04-18 01:17:36 PM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.


Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.
 
2013-04-18 01:21:14 PM  
Anybody who plays SimCity knows this.
 
2013-04-18 01:25:36 PM  

GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.


Possibly because Wisconsin is not an unregulated wonderland with slave labor. But whatever.
 
2013-04-18 01:32:15 PM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.


-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?
 
2013-04-18 01:33:50 PM  

AngryDragon: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?


To finish my thought....Since Detroit is a total bust and Little Libertaria is a total bust, perhaps the answer is somewhere in between?
 
2013-04-18 01:34:12 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.

Possibly because Wisconsin is not an unregulated wonderland with slave labor. But whatever.


Wisconsin job growth plummeted from 11th, before Walker was in office, to 44th in the nation in job growth.  Walker made significant inroads in reducing regulation in the name of increasing job growth.

It utterly failed.
 
2013-04-18 02:00:00 PM  
AngryDragon:  You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats by thieves, crooks, and liars for the last 50 years, right?

FTFY
 
2013-04-18 02:06:45 PM  

DigitalCoffee: AngryDragon: You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats by thieves, crooks, and liars for the last 50 years, right?


You're just being redundant
 
2013-04-18 02:11:06 PM  

AngryDragon: AngryDragon: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?

To finish my thought....Since Detroit is a total bust and Little Libertaria is a total bust, perhaps the answer is somewhere in between?


No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!
 
2013-04-18 02:28:52 PM  

GAT_00: Wisconsin job growth plummeted from 11th, before Walker was in office, to 44th in the nation in job growth. Walker made significant inroads in reducing regulation in the name of increasing job growth.


Not quite. Wisconsin went from 36th the year before to 44th, but was positive in both years. Hardly a condemnation for a guy who has been in office all of two years.
 
2013-04-18 02:50:55 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!


Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?
 
2013-04-18 03:13:19 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


Partly.  The blind hostility of local government to logic and reason is another.  Crumbling infrastructure is a third.
 
2013-04-18 03:14:18 PM  
Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.
 
2013-04-18 03:15:10 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


Probably. Business can generally game the tax system anyway. Not such an easy task with street crime.
 
2013-04-18 03:19:16 PM  

GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.


You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).
 
2013-04-18 03:26:47 PM  

IrateShadow: You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).


Right, but I was thinking something a bit more forceful than "incentives".  The "type of people" will remain that way until they are given opportunity.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:25 PM  

maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.


in 1983?  Uhh... no.  Not even remotely close.  It's bad now but it's actually way better than it was in the 80s.
 
2013-04-18 03:35:59 PM  
So, there are whole neighborhoods where the typical household has an income less than $10k.  ( said median between 5 and 15k, so some of them are probably on the low end)  Sounds like a great place to live and work.
 
2013-04-18 03:41:54 PM  

GoldSpider: IrateShadow: You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).

Right, but I was thinking something a bit more forceful than "incentives".  The "type of people" will remain that way until they are given opportunity.


When half the city isn't functionally literate and 1/3 of them don't graduate high school, you're not working from a labor force that can easily be brought up to speed.

The epidemic failings of the Detroit Public School system, the complete lack of positive role models, the inability of the police department (which is often seen as the enemy) to keep people (and property) safe, decaying infrastructure designed for a population about three times what it has, institutionally corrupt - and frequently racist - government officials all combine to require a decades long Herculean effort to fix.
 
2013-04-18 03:44:35 PM  

IrateShadow: You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).


There are some major businesses that have moved downtown.  Compuware, QuickenLoans, GM, Little Caesars/Olympia Entertainment.  BC/BS of Michigan is also downtown.  None of those are enough to keep the city afloat.  Most people do not want to work in Detroit (I'm consistently getting calls from recruiters for Detroit-based positions that they can't fill...and the recruiters always say they have a hard time filling positions in the city).
 
2013-04-18 03:45:56 PM  

GoldSpider: Right, but I was thinking something a bit more forceful than "incentives".  The "type of people" will remain that way until they are given opportunity.


Something more forceful would be even less effective.  There isn't a legislative entity in the country powerful enough to force a Fortune 500 there and anything smaller would effectively be given a death sentence.
 
2013-04-18 03:46:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?

Probably. Business can generally game the tax system anyway. Not such an easy task with street crime.


Taxes are high for a reason, and those reasons are why the businesses want to be there. At least the office types that are in NYC.
 
2013-04-18 03:51:13 PM  

slayer199: Compuware


I still think we should waterboard Kilpatrick until he spills the bad news on Compuware.  I mean they offered his felonious a six figure job the moment he walked out of prison, dude has to know about mass graves or something.
 
2013-04-18 03:53:03 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


I think it is just Detroit. Over here in Chicago we have higher taxes more crime and today floods, but companies set up shop here
 
2013-04-18 04:05:43 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


As with all of the worlds greatest cities, NYC also has the advantage of sitting on the intersection of several major trade routes. NYC doesn't need to attract people, people and goods must come to it. Detroit on the other hand only ever became a major US city because of the decision to put the automotive industry there. Based on its location it should never have been more than a second rate city, like Raleigh or Scranton. Detroit never had much going for it except cars and with the car manufacturing gone there is little reason for businesses to move to Detroit. You have all the high crime and taxes of a major city with none of the advantages.
 
2013-04-18 04:06:10 PM  

IrateShadow: There isn't a legislative entity in the country powerful enough to force a Fortune 500 there and anything smaller would effectively be given a death sentence.


Then we ought be work on giving that kind of power to the right legislative jurisdiction.  Maybe eminent domain can be leveraged, for the "public good" after all.
 
2013-04-18 04:14:24 PM  

GoldSpider: IrateShadow: There isn't a legislative entity in the country powerful enough to force a Fortune 500 there and anything smaller would effectively be given a death sentence.

Then we ought be work on giving that kind of power to the right legislative jurisdiction.  Maybe eminent domain can be leveraged, for the "public good" after all.


This may be the stupidest idea I have ever heard. You realize businesses can and do just go out of business, right?
 
2013-04-18 04:35:42 PM  

p the boiler: Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?

I think it is just Detroit. Over here in Chicago we have higher taxes more crime and today floods, but companies set up shop here


You must be mistaken, because I have been assured by Fark Independents that all the businesses left Illinois because of high taxes.
 
2013-04-18 04:42:03 PM  

YixilTesiphon: This may be the stupidest idea I have ever heard. You realize businesses can and do just go out of business, right?


Then subsidize it.
 
2013-04-18 04:55:33 PM  

meanmutton: maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.

in 1983?  Uhh... no.  Not even remotely close.  It's bad now but it's actually way better than it was in the 80s.


I left in 1978 a huge recession was going on then.
 
2013-04-18 05:31:11 PM  
They'll love Pyongyang then.
 
2013-04-18 06:39:47 PM  
I have this sneaking suspicion that the only reason anyone ever funds economic studies is because politicians failed to pay attention during those classes, and they need to throw money at people who will tell them what they want to hear.

/Not that the state should involve themselves in business
//Unless they decide to go to a for-profit government system.
 
2013-04-18 07:46:16 PM  

slayer199: There's zero benefit to taking a job inside the city unless you have to.


I can think of one.

lineout.thestranger.com
 
2013-04-18 08:03:12 PM  
I beg to differ, subby. I know a guy who owns a business on Capitol Hill.
 
2013-04-18 08:33:56 PM  
There's always college football,
 
2013-04-18 08:53:39 PM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.


Or, stated in in less florid terms, regions that are less burdened with crippling regulation and taxation and that offer employees who are educated and not ready to go on strike at the drop of a hat. Yep, that's where they want to be.
 
2013-04-18 09:30:17 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.

Possibly because Wisconsin is not an unregulated wonderland with slave labor. But whatever.


Yet.
 
2013-04-18 09:35:44 PM  

AngryDragon: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?


Well, OK. But I think you need to add the word "Corrupt" right before hard. "Incompetent" and "Criminal" are also adjectives that come to mind.

/Which is not to say you don't have a point, sir.
//Not really a fan of big government or extreme unionism, but honestly I don't think those were the main reason for Detroit's dissolution. All the car-manufacturing jobs going to Japan and then Korea/Mexico/Insert Third World County Here certainly was a factor.
///Also, endemic racism, both black and white, sorry to say.
 
2013-04-18 09:37:14 PM  

ha-ha-guy: slayer199: Compuware

I still think we should waterboard Kilpatrick until he spills the bad news on Compuware.  I mean they offered his felonious a six figure job the moment he walked out of prison, dude has to know about mass graves or something.


Wow. I'd like to hear more about this.
 
2013-04-18 09:56:04 PM  

maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.


Thank Mr. Snyder(R-ALEC)
 
2013-04-18 10:15:13 PM  

sethstorm: maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.

Thank Mr. Snyder(R-ALEC)


Thank goodness I don't even know who Mr. Snyder was or is. But I do know this a undercover cop I knew was following Coleman Youngs relative who was dealing drugs. The driver of the under cover cop car rear ended the car they were following. After they had to show id the drug dealers knew that they were being followed, my friend asked why, and his partner said there is a lot of money if you help the right people. That is not word for word but that is what happened. Now California is just as bad as Detroit was in the 1970's.
 
2013-04-18 10:28:21 PM  

GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.


Federal Government already does it:

http://www.sba.gov/hubzone/

I used to work for  Hubzone company.  Much like minority set-aside programs, it's a scam.  People set up a front office in a shiatty part of town and employ contractors from better areas.  If you don't have enough employees living in shiatty areas of town, they just falsify home addresses.  There's no oversight, so it's pretty easy.

/worst company I've ever worked for
//run by an Indian family whose 8(a) status finally ran out
///they hated black people, asians, and hispanics
 
2013-04-18 10:57:47 PM  

maxalt: sethstorm: maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.

Thank Mr. Snyder(R-ALEC)

Thank goodness I don't even know who Mr. Snyder was or is. But I do know this a undercover cop I knew was following Coleman Youngs relative who was dealing drugs. The driver of the under cover cop car rear ended the car they were following. After they had to show id the drug dealers knew that they were being followed, my friend asked why, and his partner said there is a lot of money if you help the right people. That is not word for word but that is what happened. Now California is just as bad as Detroit was in the 1970's.


He's the current Governor of the state of Michigan, answering not to his own constituents(unless you're talking about the American Legislative Exchange Council, or their local friends at the Mackinac Institute) but to interests outside of Michigan.   They make the drug dealers look like amateurs.
 
2013-04-18 11:10:14 PM  
Lsherm:
/worst company I've ever worked for
//run by an Indian family whose 8(a) status finally ran out
///they hated black people, asians, and hispanics


Wow, they didn't know how to work the 8(a) system very well. There are some pretty darn big companies out there that just spin off a new subsidiary every time their status is about to run out, and the subsidiary bids the next contract.
 
2013-04-18 11:12:45 PM  
And when businesses set up in regulation-free libertarian wonderlands, the resulting explosion due to lack of safety regulations kills 150 people.
 
2013-04-18 11:20:28 PM  

buzzcut73: Lsherm:
/worst company I've ever worked for
//run by an Indian family whose 8(a) status finally ran out
///they hated black people, asians, and hispanics

Wow, they didn't know how to work the 8(a) system very well. There are some pretty darn big companies out there that just spin off a new subsidiary every time their status is about to run out, and the subsidiary bids the next contract.


No, they did.  There were three members of the family, and they ran a new 8(a) company for all three as each term expired.  Then they ran out of family, and they didn't trust anyone else.  That's when they got into Hubzone.
 
2013-04-18 11:23:48 PM  

GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.


If both parties in this state weren't chasing a moronic vision of making this a manufacturing-based state we might have a chance.  All the eedjits want is the photo-op with the hard hats when they could have taken advantage of UW-Madison's early strides in bio-tech or tried to grow the bunch of regional insurers based here, or half a dozen other sustainable industries.  But no, let's promote the dying sector that hasn't found us appealing since the 60's.  They'll love our "meh" inspiring transportation infrastructure and unpredictable weather.
 
2013-04-18 11:37:32 PM  
The other fun fact is workers who live in a safe suburb and commute to jobs in the city pay a City Tax (1.5 or 2%), yet have no say in how those taxes are used.  I never worked in Detroit proper for that very reason, also crime.

/left 6 or 7 yrs ago
//won't go back until its fixed, so basically never
 
2013-04-18 11:46:55 PM  
One business does.

img832.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-19 12:25:11 AM  
There is a chain of grocery stores in Philadelphia that gets huge tax breaks and other initiatives for opening stores in the city (and recently opened one in a semi-rough part of NJ). They look great when they first open, but then seem to go downhill....high prices, dirty, expired food, etc. And then there are the "customers". Companies try to open stores in these areas, but crime, employee turnover, etc. make it pretty much unprofitable. It's pretty obvious why stores don't want to open in these areas. And we also shouldn't keep handing out tax breaks to people who are pretty much operating/opening glorified bodegas.
 
2013-04-19 12:44:35 AM  
I GUESS THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE A BUSINESS IN AMERICA THEN
 
2013-04-19 01:06:35 AM  

MBZ321: There is a chain of grocery stores in Philadelphia that gets huge tax breaks and other initiatives for opening stores in the city (and recently opened one in a semi-rough part of NJ). They look great when they first open, but then seem to go downhill....high prices, dirty, expired food, etc. And then there are the "customers". Companies try to open stores in these areas, but crime, employee turnover, etc. make it pretty much unprofitable. It's pretty obvious why stores don't want to open in these areas. And we also shouldn't keep handing out tax breaks to people who are pretty much operating/opening glorified bodegas.


Back in the early 90's Safeway's parent company all but pulled out of Washington DC because they couldn't manage to keep stores profitable even if they were the only grocery store within two square miles.  It should have been a slam dunk for them, but at the time crime was so high that the bulk of their thefts were happening before products even reached the shelves due to employee involvement in the thefts.

There's a cutoff point where an area is so hopeless you can't possibly operate a proper business.  Smaller stores proliferate because it's easier to track customers and you can staff the entire thing with people you trust.
 
2013-04-19 05:06:35 AM  

Lsherm: GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.

Federal Government already does it:

http://www.sba.gov/hubzone/


That's enticement, not coercion.
 
2013-04-19 08:31:05 AM  

MBZ321: There is a chain of grocery stores in Philadelphia that gets huge tax breaks and other initiatives for opening stores in the city (and recently opened one in a semi-rough part of NJ). They look great when they first open, but then seem to go downhill....high prices, dirty, expired food, etc. And then there are the "customers". Companies try to open stores in these areas, but crime, employee turnover, etc. make it pretty much unprofitable. It's pretty obvious why stores don't want to open in these areas. And we also shouldn't keep handing out tax breaks to people who are pretty much operating/opening glorified bodegas.


Whole Foods is opening a store in Detroit in June

http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/detroit
 
2013-04-19 09:37:10 AM  

GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.


The only way that is going to happen ("force" not withstanding) is if the city/county goes in and clears the wrecked buildings out first.

For example, I can't see any business taking over the old Packard Plant on Grand: huge industrial complex, sat "empty" for years, nothing but graffiti holding up the walls now, probably cost in the millions to clear the entire facility so that new development could even start.

I don't know, maybe if the entire property was given away AND some sort of realistic incentive was put out to encourage the teardown/redevelopment.  I'm not holding my breath - I don't think you could even convince Dan Gilbert to step in.
 
2013-04-19 10:13:37 AM  

GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.


Congrats on posting the dumbest idea on fark for 4/18/2013.
 
2013-04-19 10:22:53 AM  
Not if it is white collar crime.
 
2013-04-19 11:42:32 AM  

You're the jerk... jerk: GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.

Congrats on posting the dumbest idea on fark for 4/18/2013.


This.

Reading this guy's comments in this thread, I can't tell if he's trolling or just incredibly stupid/naive.

Either way, it saddens and depresses me that some people actually think this way.
 
2013-04-19 11:50:18 AM  

8 inches: Reading this guy's comments in this thread, I can't tell if he's trolling or just incredibly stupid/naive.


That policy would be North Korean level stupid. He must be trolling.
 
2013-04-19 12:02:22 PM  

plc5_250: GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.

The only way that is going to happen ("force" not withstanding) is if the city/county goes in and clears the wrecked buildings out first.

For example, I can't see any business taking over the old Packard Plant on Grand: huge industrial complex, sat "empty" for years, nothing but graffiti holding up the walls now, probably cost in the millions to clear the entire facility so that new development could even start.

I don't know, maybe if the entire property was given away AND some sort of realistic incentive was put out to encourage the teardown/redevelopment.  I'm not holding my breath - I don't think you could even convince Dan Gilbert to step in.


Danny Boy is busy buying up every square inch of ground between the Fisher, Chrysler and Lodge freeways and the river, or at least, the stuff that the Marouns don't already own.

To The Escape Zeppelin!: As with all of the worlds greatest cities, NYC also has the advantage of sitting on the intersection of several major trade routes. NYC doesn't need to attract people, people and goods must come to it. Detroit on the other hand only ever became a major US city because of the decision to put the automotive industry there. Based on its location it should never have been more than a second rate city, like Raleigh or Scranton. Detroit never had much going for it except cars and with the car manufacturing gone there is little reason for businesses to move to Detroit. You have all the high crime and taxes of a major city with none of the advantages.


You really have no idea what you're talking about. There was no "decision" to base the industry in Detroit; the auto industry became identified with Detroit because it had the industrial base and sat on major trade routes and finally, the simple fact that a striking majority of the people who prospered in the early auto business were all from Detroit or nearby.

The Great Lakes made it possible to ship iron ore cheaply from northern Minnesota right up to the factory door, as was done at the Rouge. Coal was easily supplied, via rail, both from local supplies and from Appalachia. You had skilled coach builders and wagon makers all across northern Ohio and Indiana and southern Michigan. Detroit already had an industrial base and led the country in the manufacture of everything from bicycles to cast-iron stoves.

Detroit became the capital of the auto industry precisely because it sat at a central point for trade and industry. It remains a nexus to this day thanks to quirks of geography and the persistence of trade patterns. Today, the bridge at Detroit carries 25 percent of all the trade between the US and Canada. (The railroad tunnel also carries a shiatload of freight.) No, it will never replace Chicago as a hub, and it's unlikely that Detroit will ever get back to its peak population of the 1950s. But Scranton?

Fark you.
 
2013-04-19 04:07:38 PM  
Except when some of these businesses located in low tax areas find it difficult to operate and even lose money because of decrepit crumbling infrastructure due to low taxes.
 
2013-04-19 05:17:49 PM  

ratman999: One business does.

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They've already took over Detroit; their offices are in Lansing, Columbus, Indianapolis, Washington DC, and elsewhere.  Unfortunately the "Old Man" didn't test well in their focus groups, so they have a friendly representative that reflects the Motor City's character.


The upside is that the Delta City idea has been shot down in one of the few permitted votes by the OCP-controlled state.


GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.


Unfortunately that would leave the Southeast, the leader in corporate theft by government "economic development" agencies, without a single major business left standing. However, it would return the businesses back to their rightful locations north of the Mason-Dixon. It wouldnt be a program of first-choice, which it never should be, but a program of absolute last resort to moot the idea of devastating an area through (a followed-out threat of) relocation.
 
2013-04-19 05:20:26 PM  

You're the jerk... jerk: GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.

Congrats, since I'm the dumbest one on fark as of 4/18/2013.


FTFY, and congrats on making the ignore list. PLONK.
 
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