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(Detroit Free Press)   New study shows that businesses generally don't want to be located in places that are both high in taxes and crime. This surprises some people   (freep.com) divider line 70
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2013-04-18 12:43:47 PM  
Just plop down Vu tower and you'll be all good
 
2013-04-18 12:51:47 PM  
While they're focusing on the inside-out (lack of public transportation the poor can't find work), Detroit also has a hard time attracting and keeping talent.

I've been called by recruiters regarding positions in Detroit and my response is always, "Thanks but not thanks."

Why?

Commute
Crime
City taxes

There's zero benefit to taking a job inside the city unless you have to.
 
2013-04-18 12:54:59 PM  
Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.
 
2013-04-18 01:09:48 PM  
It's not like a low value is great either, example being Bridgeport ct.
 
2013-04-18 01:10:56 PM  

thecpt: It's not like a low value is great either, example being Bridgeport ct.


Meant for the sprawl portion of the article
 
2013-04-18 01:12:49 PM  
I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.
 
2013-04-18 01:17:14 PM  
Beside all of that, toss in the lovely lingering tension between Oakland County, where all the regional investment capital is centered, and Detroit over "white flight" and it just makes the entire business climate extremely unpleasant.  Why invest in Detroit when at least 20% of your workforce is going to buy the bullshiat that the Kilpatricks, Coyners, and Riddles of the local political scene have spewed about some bullshiat Illumanti-esque conspiracy to destroy Wayne County?  Just go stick your business in Dearborn, Ypsilanti, or an of dozens of other locations that have plenty of workers and none of the hostility.

Unless you have a business that has real estate in the green zone and benefits from easy access to the border, it isn't really worth the hassle.
 
2013-04-18 01:17:36 PM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.


Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.
 
2013-04-18 01:21:14 PM  
Anybody who plays SimCity knows this.
 
2013-04-18 01:25:36 PM  

GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.


Possibly because Wisconsin is not an unregulated wonderland with slave labor. But whatever.
 
2013-04-18 01:32:15 PM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.


-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?
 
2013-04-18 01:33:50 PM  

AngryDragon: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?


To finish my thought....Since Detroit is a total bust and Little Libertaria is a total bust, perhaps the answer is somewhere in between?
 
2013-04-18 01:34:12 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.

Possibly because Wisconsin is not an unregulated wonderland with slave labor. But whatever.


Wisconsin job growth plummeted from 11th, before Walker was in office, to 44th in the nation in job growth.  Walker made significant inroads in reducing regulation in the name of increasing job growth.

It utterly failed.
 
2013-04-18 02:00:00 PM  
AngryDragon:  You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats by thieves, crooks, and liars for the last 50 years, right?

FTFY
 
2013-04-18 02:06:45 PM  

DigitalCoffee: AngryDragon: You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats by thieves, crooks, and liars for the last 50 years, right?


You're just being redundant
 
2013-04-18 02:11:06 PM  

AngryDragon: AngryDragon: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?

To finish my thought....Since Detroit is a total bust and Little Libertaria is a total bust, perhaps the answer is somewhere in between?


No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!
 
2013-04-18 02:28:52 PM  

GAT_00: Wisconsin job growth plummeted from 11th, before Walker was in office, to 44th in the nation in job growth. Walker made significant inroads in reducing regulation in the name of increasing job growth.


Not quite. Wisconsin went from 36th the year before to 44th, but was positive in both years. Hardly a condemnation for a guy who has been in office all of two years.
 
2013-04-18 02:50:55 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!


Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?
 
2013-04-18 03:13:19 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


Partly.  The blind hostility of local government to logic and reason is another.  Crumbling infrastructure is a third.
 
2013-04-18 03:14:18 PM  
Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.
 
2013-04-18 03:15:10 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


Probably. Business can generally game the tax system anyway. Not such an easy task with street crime.
 
2013-04-18 03:19:16 PM  

GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.


You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).
 
2013-04-18 03:26:47 PM  

IrateShadow: You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).


Right, but I was thinking something a bit more forceful than "incentives".  The "type of people" will remain that way until they are given opportunity.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:25 PM  

maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.


in 1983?  Uhh... no.  Not even remotely close.  It's bad now but it's actually way better than it was in the 80s.
 
2013-04-18 03:35:59 PM  
So, there are whole neighborhoods where the typical household has an income less than $10k.  ( said median between 5 and 15k, so some of them are probably on the low end)  Sounds like a great place to live and work.
 
2013-04-18 03:41:54 PM  

GoldSpider: IrateShadow: You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).

Right, but I was thinking something a bit more forceful than "incentives".  The "type of people" will remain that way until they are given opportunity.


When half the city isn't functionally literate and 1/3 of them don't graduate high school, you're not working from a labor force that can easily be brought up to speed.

The epidemic failings of the Detroit Public School system, the complete lack of positive role models, the inability of the police department (which is often seen as the enemy) to keep people (and property) safe, decaying infrastructure designed for a population about three times what it has, institutionally corrupt - and frequently racist - government officials all combine to require a decades long Herculean effort to fix.
 
2013-04-18 03:44:35 PM  

IrateShadow: You could offer incentives, but even that's kind of tough because the type of people you find in distressed areas aren't really a fit for the types of jobs that can just pick up and move to a new location (office work / white collar stuff).


There are some major businesses that have moved downtown.  Compuware, QuickenLoans, GM, Little Caesars/Olympia Entertainment.  BC/BS of Michigan is also downtown.  None of those are enough to keep the city afloat.  Most people do not want to work in Detroit (I'm consistently getting calls from recruiters for Detroit-based positions that they can't fill...and the recruiters always say they have a hard time filling positions in the city).
 
2013-04-18 03:45:56 PM  

GoldSpider: Right, but I was thinking something a bit more forceful than "incentives".  The "type of people" will remain that way until they are given opportunity.


Something more forceful would be even less effective.  There isn't a legislative entity in the country powerful enough to force a Fortune 500 there and anything smaller would effectively be given a death sentence.
 
2013-04-18 03:46:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?

Probably. Business can generally game the tax system anyway. Not such an easy task with street crime.


Taxes are high for a reason, and those reasons are why the businesses want to be there. At least the office types that are in NYC.
 
2013-04-18 03:51:13 PM  

slayer199: Compuware


I still think we should waterboard Kilpatrick until he spills the bad news on Compuware.  I mean they offered his felonious a six figure job the moment he walked out of prison, dude has to know about mass graves or something.
 
2013-04-18 03:53:03 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


I think it is just Detroit. Over here in Chicago we have higher taxes more crime and today floods, but companies set up shop here
 
2013-04-18 04:05:43 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?


As with all of the worlds greatest cities, NYC also has the advantage of sitting on the intersection of several major trade routes. NYC doesn't need to attract people, people and goods must come to it. Detroit on the other hand only ever became a major US city because of the decision to put the automotive industry there. Based on its location it should never have been more than a second rate city, like Raleigh or Scranton. Detroit never had much going for it except cars and with the car manufacturing gone there is little reason for businesses to move to Detroit. You have all the high crime and taxes of a major city with none of the advantages.
 
2013-04-18 04:06:10 PM  

IrateShadow: There isn't a legislative entity in the country powerful enough to force a Fortune 500 there and anything smaller would effectively be given a death sentence.


Then we ought be work on giving that kind of power to the right legislative jurisdiction.  Maybe eminent domain can be leveraged, for the "public good" after all.
 
2013-04-18 04:14:24 PM  

GoldSpider: IrateShadow: There isn't a legislative entity in the country powerful enough to force a Fortune 500 there and anything smaller would effectively be given a death sentence.

Then we ought be work on giving that kind of power to the right legislative jurisdiction.  Maybe eminent domain can be leveraged, for the "public good" after all.


This may be the stupidest idea I have ever heard. You realize businesses can and do just go out of business, right?
 
2013-04-18 04:35:42 PM  

p the boiler: Cubicle Jockey: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: No! Binary choices are the only options! Now sit down, shut up, and twirl your little American flag harder!

Businesses seem to like NYC's high-tax, low-crime combination. So is crime the main factor?

I think it is just Detroit. Over here in Chicago we have higher taxes more crime and today floods, but companies set up shop here


You must be mistaken, because I have been assured by Fark Independents that all the businesses left Illinois because of high taxes.
 
2013-04-18 04:42:03 PM  

YixilTesiphon: This may be the stupidest idea I have ever heard. You realize businesses can and do just go out of business, right?


Then subsidize it.
 
2013-04-18 04:55:33 PM  

meanmutton: maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.

in 1983?  Uhh... no.  Not even remotely close.  It's bad now but it's actually way better than it was in the 80s.


I left in 1978 a huge recession was going on then.
 
2013-04-18 05:31:11 PM  
They'll love Pyongyang then.
 
2013-04-18 06:39:47 PM  
I have this sneaking suspicion that the only reason anyone ever funds economic studies is because politicians failed to pay attention during those classes, and they need to throw money at people who will tell them what they want to hear.

/Not that the state should involve themselves in business
//Unless they decide to go to a for-profit government system.
 
2013-04-18 07:46:16 PM  

slayer199: There's zero benefit to taking a job inside the city unless you have to.


I can think of one.

lineout.thestranger.com
 
2013-04-18 08:03:12 PM  
I beg to differ, subby. I know a guy who owns a business on Capitol Hill.
 
2013-04-18 08:33:56 PM  
There's always college football,
 
2013-04-18 08:53:39 PM  

JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.


Or, stated in in less florid terms, regions that are less burdened with crippling regulation and taxation and that offer employees who are educated and not ready to go on strike at the drop of a hat. Yep, that's where they want to be.
 
2013-04-18 09:30:17 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: GAT_00: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

Judging by the incredibly lackluster job growth in Wisconsin once Walker took over, that seems unlikely.

Possibly because Wisconsin is not an unregulated wonderland with slave labor. But whatever.


Yet.
 
2013-04-18 09:35:44 PM  

AngryDragon: JerkyMeat: Yes, they want to set up shop in an unregulated wonderland in a tax subsidized industry with slave labor.

-Pssst-

You do know that Detroit has been ruled almost exclusively by hard left pro-union, big government, Democrats for the last 50 years, right?


Well, OK. But I think you need to add the word "Corrupt" right before hard. "Incompetent" and "Criminal" are also adjectives that come to mind.

/Which is not to say you don't have a point, sir.
//Not really a fan of big government or extreme unionism, but honestly I don't think those were the main reason for Detroit's dissolution. All the car-manufacturing jobs going to Japan and then Korea/Mexico/Insert Third World County Here certainly was a factor.
///Also, endemic racism, both black and white, sorry to say.
 
2013-04-18 09:37:14 PM  

ha-ha-guy: slayer199: Compuware

I still think we should waterboard Kilpatrick until he spills the bad news on Compuware.  I mean they offered his felonious a six figure job the moment he walked out of prison, dude has to know about mass graves or something.


Wow. I'd like to hear more about this.
 
2013-04-18 09:56:04 PM  

maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.


Thank Mr. Snyder(R-ALEC)
 
2013-04-18 10:15:13 PM  

sethstorm: maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.

Thank Mr. Snyder(R-ALEC)


Thank goodness I don't even know who Mr. Snyder was or is. But I do know this a undercover cop I knew was following Coleman Youngs relative who was dealing drugs. The driver of the under cover cop car rear ended the car they were following. After they had to show id the drug dealers knew that they were being followed, my friend asked why, and his partner said there is a lot of money if you help the right people. That is not word for word but that is what happened. Now California is just as bad as Detroit was in the 1970's.
 
2013-04-18 10:28:21 PM  

GoldSpider: Isn't there a way we can force businesses to (re)locate into distressed areas.  That would bring economic opportunity to people who have historically been denied.


Federal Government already does it:

http://www.sba.gov/hubzone/

I used to work for  Hubzone company.  Much like minority set-aside programs, it's a scam.  People set up a front office in a shiatty part of town and employ contractors from better areas.  If you don't have enough employees living in shiatty areas of town, they just falsify home addresses.  There's no oversight, so it's pretty easy.

/worst company I've ever worked for
//run by an Indian family whose 8(a) status finally ran out
///they hated black people, asians, and hispanics
 
2013-04-18 10:57:47 PM  

maxalt: sethstorm: maxalt: I left Detroit over 30 years ago and it was  BAD then it is sooo much worse now.

Thank Mr. Snyder(R-ALEC)

Thank goodness I don't even know who Mr. Snyder was or is. But I do know this a undercover cop I knew was following Coleman Youngs relative who was dealing drugs. The driver of the under cover cop car rear ended the car they were following. After they had to show id the drug dealers knew that they were being followed, my friend asked why, and his partner said there is a lot of money if you help the right people. That is not word for word but that is what happened. Now California is just as bad as Detroit was in the 1970's.


He's the current Governor of the state of Michigan, answering not to his own constituents(unless you're talking about the American Legislative Exchange Council, or their local friends at the Mackinac Institute) but to interests outside of Michigan.   They make the drug dealers look like amateurs.
 
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