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2013-04-18 11:58:59 AM
They are most assuredly innocent.

I'm sorry, how does he know that?

The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.

But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!

Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.


No one said in the first place that they were definitely 100% the guilty parties, it just seemed that based on where the explosion happened and the fact that one of them appeared to be ditching a bag exactly where the explosion happened that they were suspicious. The FBI thought so too, then cleared them. Yay!

Now let's hope they catch the real dirtbags who did this.
 
2013-04-18 11:59:39 AM
I'd say they're behaving like 4chan, but that might actually be a step up for the New York Post.
 
2013-04-18 12:01:50 PM
How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.
 
2013-04-18 12:10:01 PM
Jesus Christ, Tats.  You are passionate about the two Egyptian guys.
 
2013-04-18 12:11:40 PM
When the NY post covers their farking front page with the weird looking white dude we'll talk about how this isn't about them being brown.
 
2013-04-18 12:13:41 PM

Tatsuma: Nothing to do with color.


It's the NY Post. They are sooooo wanting this to be another 9/11. They didn't report on the white dude that's all over Reddit. Just these two. Because it fits their narrative. I hope it's a white dude. Sikhs, Latinos and other not-quite-blacks will be beat up in the street like after 9/11. Hell, even Israelis were shouted at here in NYC.
 
2013-04-18 12:17:31 PM
Fellas, please. I'm SURE we can all agree that the New York Post had only the most noble of intentions and was only putting their picture on the cover as a community service to help aid the investigation. This is one of the great roles the press plays in getting information out there that helps everyone.
 
2013-04-18 12:18:58 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: It's the NY Post. They are sooooo wanting this to be another 9/11. They didn't report on the white dude that's all over Reddit. Just these two. Because it fits their narrative.


I wasn't addressing the New York Post, I was addressing why these guys were pointed out in the first place. As far as the New York Post printing them on the first page, they were the only two that the FBI circulated the picture of yesterday night on news channels as well, so it's not exactly that they'd be on the first page this morning, even though the FBI apparently moved their status from 'suspicious person of interest' to 'cleared'.

PC LOAD LETTER: I hope it's a white dude. Sikhs, Latinos and other not-quite-blacks will be beat up in the street like after 9/11. Hell, even Israelis were shouted at here in NYC.


This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11. Stop acting like white people are just itching for a reason to conduct public lynchings, that's pretty racist in itself.
 
2013-04-18 12:21:28 PM
Hey Tats, can you maybe stop rubbing yourself with glee while speculating that Muslims set off a bomb in my city based on horseshiat from the NY Post?

Thanks.
 
2013-04-18 12:22:13 PM

JerseyTim: Fellas, please. I'm SURE we can all agree that the New York Post had only the most noble of intentions and was only putting their picture on the cover as a community service to help aid the investigation. This is one of the great roles the press plays in getting information out there that helps everyone.


There is no excuse for running with the 12 dead thing, As far as those two being on the first page? By the time they went to print yesterday, the FBI had been circulating their picture saying they were person of interest, and we'd seen them plastered all over the news networks. The denials that they are not in fact suspects only came this morning on CBS.

You can speculate all you want that these guys being brown made them extra happy, but I'm fairly sure that if the FBI had been circulating a picture of two white guys saying they were persons of interest, that they would have printed that picture instead.
 
2013-04-18 12:23:44 PM

what_now: Hey Tats, can you maybe stop rubbing yourself with glee while speculating that Muslims set off a bomb in my city based on horseshiat from the NY Post?

Thanks.


Can you drop implications of racism based on nothing? Oh and glee about this? I like you but you're skating a thin line here.
 
2013-04-18 12:25:41 PM

Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11


Your memory is not so good.

Link
 
2013-04-18 12:29:30 PM

Tatsuma: what_now: Hey Tats, can you maybe stop rubbing yourself with glee while speculating that Muslims set off a bomb in my city based on horseshiat from the NY Post?

Thanks.

Can you drop implications of racism based on nothing? Oh and glee about this? I like you but you're skating a thin line here.


Ever since this happened, people have been all "Bloop blippity blip it was clearly done by someone who's ideology I don't like so take that libs/cons" and its disgusting. And now 4chan thinks it's the FBI, CNN thinks it's reputable, and you're all "I'm just asking question".

Stop it. Whoever did this, for whatever twisted farking reason, will get caught. They will get caught, they will whimper and cry because unlike Al Quieda they do not WANT to get caught,  and I will laugh at their tears and we can all talk about how they did this because of Mohammad/Glen Beck/Obama/Aliens/lizard people.

Until then, lets not create any Richard Jewels, mkay?
 
2013-04-18 12:30:19 PM

Tatsuma: They are most assuredly innocent.

I'm sorry, how does he know that?


Statements from the investigators, and the fact that they aren't carrying bags that are similar to the ones recovered from the bombing.

Tatsuma: The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.


So were dozens of other people, all of which you can see in the photo that singled them out.

Tatsuma: And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.


The Police and FBI have not released any official pictures of the suspects they are looking for.

Tatsuma: But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!


Where did the FBI claim these two were suspects or persons of interest? And do you think people will really move on considering after the NY Post called these guys out as practically the suspects themselves? Did you forget what happened to Richard Jewell?

Tatsuma: Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.


Where did the authorities say they considered them suspects, considering that the FBI and Police have not released any pictures of suspects?


Not that Tatsuma would see this - I'm on ignore for him.
 
2013-04-18 12:31:04 PM

what_now: lizard people


My money is on Lizard People still angry they lost to Al Franken.
 
2013-04-18 12:31:27 PM
Maybe to be safe we should profile all people with swarth. Egyptians, Syrians, Israelis, Copts..

All of 'em are brown skinned and therefore inherently suspicious.
 
2013-04-18 12:33:04 PM
Reddit already stalked these two guys into the ground based on their junior FBI bullshiat.  They happen to be runners at a marathon. So very suspicious.
 
2013-04-18 12:34:31 PM

Tatsuma: By the time they went to print yesterday, the FBI had been circulating their picture saying they were person of interest, and we'd seen them plastered all over the news networks.


I think it's inappropriate for the Post to put these two on the cover with a large print "BAG MEN" headline given their status as only "persons of interest" who authorities wanted to talk to. The Post made an implied leap from person of interest to suspect. I find that journalistically unethical.
 
2013-04-18 12:37:37 PM
blog.arc90.com

Back to the screen grabs looking for brown people!
 
2013-04-18 12:37:55 PM

Tatsuma: No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.


According to Tatsuma, all of these people are suspects.

1.bp.blogspot.com

http://deadspin.com/i-watched-the-marathon-bombing-from-above-these- ar e-my-473591429

Here's a list of the complete sequence of photos from the photographer that made them. Nothing to back up Tatsuma's assertion that one of them left a bag.
 
2013-04-18 12:38:45 PM

James!: Link


I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

Is it a bad thing? No it's not. Is it disgusting? No, of course it's not. Is it abominable? Nope.

What? Surprised I'd say this?

Bad thing doesn't even come close to cover it. Disgusting? Nowhere near strong enough. Abominable? Not even in the same ballpark. I can't think of any words that carry the proper magnitude to describe just how evil these acts were. However, there are more than 310 million Americans. Those who came out and lashed out at minorities in any form after 9/11? Not even a hundred. While the rest of America stood in brotherhood with Americans who are Muslims, and Americans who are of Arab descent.

These numbers are incredibly small and something we should be proud of, actually. The vast vast vast overwhelming majority of Americans realized that even though 9/11 was carried by fanatic Islamic extremists, Muslims in America were American and in no way were either complicit or responsible for this.

I also have faith that, whomever is responsible for this, America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to, whether it's  Muslims, or Xians, Whites or Brown, Buddhists or Australians.


(Except for the Irish.)
 
2013-04-18 12:40:39 PM

Tatsuma: , America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to,


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-04-18 12:41:24 PM
Hey, look, it's happening already.
 
2013-04-18 12:41:39 PM
i49.tinypic.com

"I'm helping! I'm helping!"

The important thing is that you, along with 4chan, feel like you're involved.
 
2013-04-18 12:42:04 PM

James!: Reddit already stalked these two guys into the ground based on their junior FBI bullshiat.  They happen to be runners at a marathon. So very suspicious.


It was mostly 4chan, not reddit. Although the 4chan stuff showed up on Reddit.

--

And for fark's sake, Tatsuma, stop defending the NY Post. We all know it's a shiat filled rag. There is simply no excuse for the Post to run that on the front page, except to play off of people's irrational fears so they can sell more papers.
 
2013-04-18 12:44:43 PM
i think we need a list of rules in green text for this
 
2013-04-18 12:44:59 PM

what_now: Ever since this happened, people have been all "Bloop blippity blip it was clearly done by someone who's ideology I don't like so take that libs/cons" and its disgusting. And now 4chan thinks it's the FBI, CNN thinks it's reputable, and you're all "I'm just asking question".


What? I'm not 'just asking questions', In fact if you go back to yesterday's thread, the one reason I was interested in those two was not whether or not they were the guys who did it, I was more interested in the fact that it seemed at the time that crowd-sourcing had possibly identified strong suspects hours before the FBI named them (and the FBI did say they were suspects). Now that they have been cleared, well thank G-d, let's move on and catch the real guys who did it.

what_now: Until then, lets not create any Richard Jewels, mkay?


I agree 100%. My contention with this stupid blog post (urgh) was that he was blaming the fact those two were identified due to racism rather than the fact that the FBI themselves came out and said they were suspect and that the New York Post was somehow the only guys publishing a picture of them when they are not, and their pictures had been all over the news. This shiat article sounded more like a hit piece against the Post (and there are plenty of reasons for that) yet manipulated the facts to make the narrative fit his hatred of it rather than attacking it for good reasons (like running with the 12 dead thing)

JerseyTim: I think it's inappropriate for the Post to put these two on the cover with a large print "BAG MEN" headline given their status as only "persons of interest" who authorities wanted to talk to. The Post made an implied leap from person of interest to suspect. I find that journalistically unethical.


See, THAT is another valid attack against the Post, and something worth attacking not just the Post but the whole MSM in America, as they all ran with them as suspects rather than persons of interests, and seem to think both of these things are interchangeable (to be fair, they sometimes are, but not 100% as we can see here)
 
2013-04-18 12:46:39 PM

Tatsuma: James!: Link

I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

Is it a bad thing? No it's not. Is it disgusting? No, of course it's not. Is it abominable? Nope.

What? Surprised I'd say this?

Bad thing doesn't even come close to cover it. Disgusting? Nowhere near strong enough. Abominable? Not even in the same ballpark. I can't think of any words that carry the proper magnitude to describe just how evil these acts were. However, there are more than 310 million Americans. Those who came out and lashed out at minorities in any form after 9/11? Not even a hundred. While the rest of America stood in brotherhood with Americans who are Muslims, and Americans who are of Arab descent.

These numbers are incredibly small and something we should be proud of, actually. The vast vast vast overwhelming majority of Americans realized that even though 9/11 was carried by fanatic Islamic extremists, Muslims in America were American and in no way were either complicit or responsible for this.

I also have faith that, whomever is responsible for this, America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to, whether it's  Muslims, or Xians, Whites or Brown, Buddhists or Australians.


(Except for the Irish.)


I wish there was an emoticon for rolling my eyes and making a jerk off motion.  You said TWO and you were wrong.

Bottom line blasting that photo on the front page was yellow journalism of the lowest kind.  It's racebaiting based on hearsay and internet mob justice.
 
2013-04-18 12:47:21 PM

Tatsuma: I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)


ww3.hdnux.com

Can someone post this for Tatsuma? He has me on ignore.
 
2013-04-18 12:47:41 PM

BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.


This is just... don't have words. I'm sure everyone reading this will be appalled, especially Boston Farkers. fark.
 
2013-04-18 12:47:56 PM

Tatsuma: No one said in the first place that they were definitely 100% the guilty parties


Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.
 
2013-04-18 12:49:24 PM

Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.


Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.
 
2013-04-18 12:50:54 PM

BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.


Well that's what that lady gets for being Muslimy in Boston.

It's that she was suspicious what with being similar in appearance or religion to the people the NY Post said did this. Don't you dare think it was motivated by bigotry!
 
2013-04-18 12:52:15 PM

Aarontology: BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.

Well that's what that lady gets for being Muslimy in Boston.

It's that she was suspicious what with being similar in appearance or religion to the people the NY Post said did this. Don't you dare think it was motivated by bigotry!


But don't you see? We should be proud that she's the only one who has been assaulted so far.  Just ask Tats.
 
2013-04-18 12:54:26 PM

BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUFFFFFFFFFFFFUUU
 
2013-04-18 12:54:34 PM

James!: Aarontology: BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.

Well that's what that lady gets for being Muslimy in Boston.

It's that she was suspicious what with being similar in appearance or religion to the people the NY Post said did this. Don't you dare think it was motivated by bigotry!

But don't you see? We should be proud that she's the only one who has been assaulted so far.  Just ask Tats.


America will stand united!
 
2013-04-18 12:56:14 PM
Looks like someone might make some money from the race without beating the Kenyans.
 
2013-04-18 12:56:58 PM

Tatsuma: what_now: Hey Tats, can you maybe stop rubbing yourself with glee while speculating that Muslims set off a bomb in my city based on horseshiat from the NY Post?

Thanks.

Can you drop implications of racism based on nothing? Oh and glee about this? I like you but you're skating a thin line here.


Muslim is a race?
 
2013-04-18 12:57:15 PM

Tatsuma: They are most assuredly innocent.

I'm sorry, how does he know that?

The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.

But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!

Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.


No one said in the first place that they were definitely 100% the guilty parties, it just seemed that based on where the explosion happened and the fact that one of them appeared to be ditching a bag exactly where the explosion happened that they were ...


Wow!  What a page of horseshiat, Tutsama!  Good one!
They didn't do it!
 
2013-04-18 12:57:18 PM

Tatsuma: James!: Link

I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

Is it a bad thing? No it's not. Is it disgusting? No, of course it's not. Is it abominable? Nope.

What? Surprised I'd say this?

Bad thing doesn't even come close to cover it. Disgusting? Nowhere near strong enough. Abominable? Not even in the same ballpark. I can't think of any words that carry the proper magnitude to describe just how evil these acts were. However, there are more than 310 million Americans. Those who came out and lashed out at minorities in any form after 9/11? Not even a hundred. While the rest of America stood in brotherhood with Americans who are Muslims, and Americans who are of Arab descent.

These numbers are incredibly small and something we should be proud of, actually. The vast vast vast overwhelming majority of Americans realized that even though 9/11 was carried by fanatic Islamic extremists, Muslims in America were American and in no way were either complicit or responsible for this.

I also have faith that, whomever is responsible for this, America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to, whether it's  Muslims, or Xians, Whites or Brown, Buddhists or Australians.


(Except for the Irish.)


Can you be more full of crap that you already are? First you say 2 incidents. Then when you are shown that it's way way more than that you lie again. I count 11 incidents of actual violence in the 2 months after 9/11 in that link, unless you don't count firebombing convenience stores as violent incidents. I guess it doesn't count if someone shoots at you and misses? It's evidently not violence if you chase someone with a car but they get away?  You've certainly got a funny way of categorizing "violent" incidents!
 
2013-04-18 12:58:01 PM

Tatsuma: Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.


*Citation needed*
 
2013-04-18 12:58:54 PM
Please ignore the idiot in this thread, you won't win and he'll just keeping moving the goal posts and making up excuses and bullshiat
 
2013-04-18 12:59:44 PM
implications of racism based on nothing

are you honestly surprised that people remember your lengthy fark posting history
 
2013-04-18 12:59:49 PM
What part of "dark skinned" does subby not understand?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-04-18 12:59:53 PM
i444.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-18 01:01:23 PM

BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.



I am going to copypasta this from a few years ago: I think we found our suspect

So, several weeks ago, I'm on the T coming back from a little Christmas shopping. It's the middle of a bright, unseasonably warm, sunny day. A man gets on holding the Boston Herald. He's a beefy looking white man, mid fifties probably, florid in complexion, silly mustache. He gives me a once over; I read my book.

Then, two Muslim ladies get on. They are in jeans, sweaters and hijabs*. They are probably mid to late twenties. One is heavily pregnant, the other has a baby carriage with a small child inside. They get on, take some seats and start conversing softly- in English.

The Herald reader looks up in alarm and stares at them with for a while, clutching his newspaper to his chest like a binky. They get off at MIT where, either they or their husbands- or both- are probably grad students or post docs.

The Herald reader scoots over to me, and says "Well, I'm glad THAT'S over". I'm not sure what scared him more, two petite women, or the thought that the baby in the carriage would laugh at him for reading the Boston Herald.

*a Hijab is a head scarf. It's sort of what your grandmother wore to keep her hair did. It is not a bomb vest.
 
2013-04-18 01:01:29 PM
Charles Stross has the right idea. Ignore the news for now. Seriously, their only purpose in pulling such shiat is to get you to look at their ads.

Wait until calmer, more rational heads have actually investigated the crime, issued a report, and dealt with whoever's involved. This ghoulish race to see who can spread the most information the fastest has to stop.
 
2013-04-18 01:01:51 PM
Here's hoping its a white
 
2013-04-18 01:01:59 PM
I like the mental image of the Boston Herald as a security blanky
 
2013-04-18 01:02:35 PM

Snuffybud: Can you be more full of crap that you already are? First you say 2 incidents. Then when you are shown that it's way way more than that you lie again. I count 11 incidents of actual violence in the 2 months after 9/11 in that link, unless you don't count firebombing convenience stores as violent incidents. I guess it doesn't count if someone shoots at you and misses? It's evidently not violence if you chase someone with a car but they get away? You've certainly got a funny way of categorizing "violent" incidents!


He said 'people going down in the streets and beating up sikhs, latinos, etc..', that's what the incidents were referring to, people who committed physical assaults/murder so no I did not count firebombing.
 
2013-04-18 01:03:23 PM

Jackson Herring: I like the mental image of the Boston Herald as a security blanky


I'm surprised you've never heard that story. I tell it all the time. Usually when someone cites the Herald as a news source.
 
2013-04-18 01:03:33 PM

Snuffybud: Tatsuma: Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.

*Citation needed*


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-04-18 01:03:47 PM
Staffers at the NYP are mining places like this, reddit, 4chan, etc for suggestions.

Those pics get on the front pages because of accusations and discussins from threads.

Does anybody have a link to the FBI suggesting these people are suspects? Do the descriptions match the people whos description you can easily see in the photo if you were an FBI agent? I have heard them state they want to talk to someone with a white hat on backwards, a black jacket with a brown hoodie underneath it who was talking on a cell phone.

The photos of these guys are from hours before the bombs going off.
 
2013-04-18 01:04:24 PM

what_now: Jackson Herring: I like the mental image of the Boston Herald as a security blanky

I'm surprised you've never heard that story. I tell it all the time. Usually when someone cites the Herald as a news source.


oh I've heard it four or five times, I just still like the mental image
 
2013-04-18 01:04:46 PM
I wonder if Tatsuma would be so quick to defend the NY Post if the FBI said that the suspects appear to be Chassidic Jews and 4chan decided to start posting pictures of random Chassidic guys in the crowd, which the NY Post starts posting online with the headline "BAG MEN."
 
2013-04-18 01:05:19 PM
Hey, have you guys heard that Obama is using Air Force 1 to fly the Saudi Arabian bomber back to Kenya?

I heard it on facebook. Share the word!
 
2013-04-18 01:05:24 PM

Snuffybud: *Citation needed*


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 01:07:17 PM

Giltric: Does anybody have a link to the FBI suggesting these people are suspects?


The FBI never issued official pictures. The NY Post's article claims that it comes from an "unknown source" who gave them an email being sent between unknown "law enforcement officers" asking if anyone can identify the two guys.
 
2013-04-18 01:07:41 PM
It's amazing when horribly prejudiced people convince themselves they're not.....

/talking about one person in this thread
//one sad, sad person
 
2013-04-18 01:08:06 PM

Tatsuma: Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.


HAH! So I think you've slipped a little below CNN in the credibility department. The FBI NEVER named these two as 'suspects'. The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.

You've been pushing these two hard, despite not fitting the description that was released by the FBI. The FBI didn't release this photo either, it came from a Reddit thread and was originally sourced from a Gawker Media (maybe Deadspin or Gizmodo) writer who was outside the site of bomb #1. The FBI hasn't released the images/video that they say capture the suspects they are interested in and no independent sources has it because it came from the dept. store camera across from bomb site #2.

YOU FOUND an image that barely fit your narrative and the description (white hat, black bag)and jumped on the bandwagon, cause "HEY! BROWN, MUST BE THEM!"
 
2013-04-18 01:08:12 PM
The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

What a liar. I checked out Reddit and they have multiple suspects including white guys. Yes carrying bags DO make your more like the likely suspect. And being close to where the bomb went off does too. And in the Reddit threads they repeatedly talk about just because they are people that could possibly have done it, it doesn't mean they are guilty. In fact, Reddit has threads about stopping other people from blaming these people for the crime because there is no proof.

This guy is an ass feeding into the frenzy of attacking what's being done on Reddit without worrying about the facts.
 
2013-04-18 01:09:06 PM

what_now: I'm surprised you've never heard that story. I tell it all the time. Usually when someone cites the Herald as a news source.


You never told me that, but I'm more likely to cite the Metro (Highlights For Commuters) than that pile of dreck.
 
2013-04-18 01:09:34 PM
Eventhough only retards claim these kids are suspects, it's a good thing that police actually talk to them.  By doing so, they can then release a public statement regarding how these so called suspects, although they are darker than average, are clearly innocent and are not suspects, thus telling the retards to STFU.
 
2013-04-18 01:10:38 PM
Meanwhile, CNN is sending the NY Post's editors a giant fruit basket and flowers.
 
2013-04-18 01:13:16 PM
I have to say this is the liveliest Boston marathon thread yet.
 
2013-04-18 01:13:56 PM
what_now: 
*a Hijab is a head scarf. It's sort of what your grandmother wore to keep her hair did. It is not a bomb vest.

I am so stealing that.
 
2013-04-18 01:16:06 PM
oh snap
 
2013-04-18 01:21:32 PM

SultanofSchwing: [i444.photobucket.com image 442x352]


i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-18 01:22:05 PM

what_now: BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.


I am going to copypasta this from a few years ago: I think we found our suspect

So, several weeks ago, I'm on the T coming back from a little Christmas shopping. It's the middle of a bright, unseasonably warm, sunny day. A man gets on holding the Boston Herald. He's a beefy looking white man, mid fifties probably, florid in complexion, silly mustache. He gives me a once over; I read my book.

Then, two Muslim ladies get on. They are in jeans, sweaters and hijabs*. They are probably mid to late twenties. One is heavily pregnant, the other has a baby carriage with a small child inside. They get on, take some seats and start conversing softly- in English.

The Herald reader looks up in alarm and stares at them with for a while, clutching his newspaper to his chest like a binky. They get off at MIT where, either they or their husbands- or both- are probably grad students or post docs.

The Herald reader scoots over to me, and says "Well, I'm glad THAT'S over". I'm not sure what scared him more, two petite women, or the thought that the baby in the carriage would laugh at him for reading the Boston Herald.

*a Hijab is a head scarf. It's sort of what your grandmother wore to keep her hair did. It is not a bomb vest.


I would likely suffer a similar reaction. I am pedophobic; close proximity to children and infants causes me to experience anxiety.

/Except that I do not read the Boston Herald.
//Get all of my news from Fark.
 
2013-04-18 01:23:03 PM

RexTalionis: Tatsuma: No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

According to Tatsuma, all of these people are suspects.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x564]

http://deadspin.com/i-watched-the-marathon-bombing-from-above-these- ar e-my-473591429

Here's a list of the complete sequence of photos from the photographer that made them. Nothing to back up Tatsuma's assertion that one of them left a bag.


Except other photo from other people  show them without the bags moments before the blast. I  belive it was very irresponsible for the Post to put this on thier front page, but the hate for TATS  is interfering withmany farkers  common sense.
 
2013-04-18 01:24:02 PM

Tatsuma: Snuffybud: Can you be more full of crap that you already are? First you say 2 incidents. Then when you are shown that it's way way more than that you lie again. I count 11 incidents of actual violence in the 2 months after 9/11 in that link, unless you don't count firebombing convenience stores as violent incidents. I guess it doesn't count if someone shoots at you and misses? It's evidently not violence if you chase someone with a car but they get away? You've certainly got a funny way of categorizing "violent" incidents!

He said 'people going down in the streets and beating up sikhs, latinos, etc..', that's what the incidents were referring to, people who committed physical assaults/murder so no I did not count firebombing.



You are so effen full of shiat, keep moving those goal posts. Leaving out firebombing of restaurants and stores we've got these incidents in just 2 months after 9/11

• Sept. 12, 2001 - South Huntington, New York
Adam Lang, 76, was charged with first-degree reckless endangerment and a hate crime after he allegedly tried to run down a Pakistani woman with his car.

• Sept. 13, 2001 - Bloomington, Indiana
A Muslim student was allegedly assaulted and verbally harassed by a white student.

• Sept. 15, 2001 - Mesa, Arizona
Balbir Singh Sodhi, a 49-year-old Sikh and native of India, was fatally shot outside his gas station by Frank Silva Roque, who mistakenly believed Sodhi was Muslim. Roque then allegedly fired shots at a man of Lebanese descent working at another gas station, and at an Afghan family's residence.

• Sept. 15, 2001 - Dallas, Texas
Waqar Hasan, a 46-year-old Pakistani immigrant, was shot to death in his convenience store. Mark Stroman, who allegedly said he was angry with people of Middle Eastern descent after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, was charged with Hasan's murder. Stroman was also charged with the Oct. 4 murder of Vasudev Patel, a 49-year-old native of India, at a gas station convenience store in Mesquite, Texas.

• Sept. 29, 2001 - Reedley, California
Abdo Ali Ahmed, a 51-year-old Yemeni man, was shot to death outside his convenience store. Two days earlier a note reading, "We're going to kill all (expletive) Arabs," was left on his car windshield.

• Nov. 1, 2001 - Prince William, Virginia
Stanley Elburn Smith III, 27, and James M. Terrell, 25, were charged with assault and battery, malicious wounding and fraud for allegedly assaulting a Pakistani man.

• Nov. 2, 2001 - Tacoma, Washington
A bomb was detonated outside the home of a family of Middle Eastern descent.

That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed. At Gat_00 said, this place was a much nicer place without you.
 
2013-04-18 01:24:15 PM

Danger Mouse: Except other photo from other people show them without the bags moments before the blast. I belive it was very irresponsible for the Post to put this on thier front page, but the hate for TATS is interfering withmany farkers common sense.


Pretty much.

I'm in the middle of a flame war and I don't even what it's about right now. It's kind of weird.
 
2013-04-18 01:24:59 PM
Or perhaps a more direct opposite: come in here and go "It's all the Jews fault!"

Which of course isn't what happened, but false equivalences are fun when you have nothing.
 
2013-04-18 01:25:44 PM

YodaBlues: Tatsuma: Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.

HAH! So I think you've slipped a little below CNN in the credibility department. The FBI NEVER named these two as 'suspects'. The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.

You've been pushing these two hard, despite not fitting the description that was released by the FBI. The FBI didn't release this photo either, it came from a Reddit thread and was originally sourced from a Gawker Media (maybe Deadspin or Gizmodo) writer who was outside the site of bomb #1. The FBI hasn't released the images/video that they say capture the suspects they are interested in and no independent sources has it because it came from the dept. store camera across from bomb site #2.

YOU FOUND an image that barely fit your narrative and the description (white hat, black bag)and jumped on the bandwagon, cause "HEY! BROWN, MUST BE THEM!"


Agree with everything you said except  "one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white." They never said they're looking for White guys & the FBI clearly has video have the suspect(s) dropping off the bag(s).
 
2013-04-18 01:26:09 PM

Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.


After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.
 
2013-04-18 01:29:22 PM

Tatsuma: Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.


You'll repeat the lie the next time you feel it serves you though.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:09 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Tatsuma: Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.

You'll repeat the lie the next time you feel it serves you though.


He made the claim in the thread on Monday already. A lot of people pointed out to him that he was wrong. He's making the claim again. And he'll keep doing so in future threads, because the posters will be different and would've forgotten about it.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:24 PM

what_now: Jackson Herring: I like the mental image of the Boston Herald as a security blanky

I'm surprised you've never heard that story. I tell it all the time. Usually when someone cites the Herald as a news source.


Oh, I thought you told that story because everyone who rides the T is opininated douche.

/employs the same logic and is supported by your post.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:25 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Tatsuma: Nothing to do with color.

It's the NY Post. They are sooooo wanting this to be another 9/11. They didn't report on the white dude that's all over Reddit. Just these two. Because it fits their narrative. I hope it's a white dude. Sikhs, Latinos and other not-quite-blacks will be beat up in the street like after 9/11. Hell, even Israelis were shouted at here in NYC.


Or maybe it's because reddit is not a credible source?
 
2013-04-18 01:34:07 PM

James!: Reddit already stalked these two guys into the ground based on their junior FBI bullshiat.  They happen to be runners at a marathon. So very suspicious.


They were guilty of Running While Brown.

Like that Saudi student who was tackled for "suspiciously" running away from a farking explosion.

We have enough problems with racial profiling without jackholes like the NY Post fanning the flames with speculation and outright false information. Posting such things and discussing "what if...?" on an internet forum or blog is one thing, but to do so on the front page of a paper (or a TV news program) is dangerous and irresponsible. And of course you NEVER hear an apology or correction after the fact. Not like most Americans would notice or remember anyway, if the truth doesn't fit into their worldview narrative.
 
2013-04-18 01:34:43 PM

Danger Mouse: xcept other photo from other people  show them without the bags moments before the blast.


No, it doesn't show that.  It shows the one with the blue Nike bag still over his shoulder (you can see the black strap, I have that same bag), and the other possibly holding his in front of him because he's in a much more crowded spot.
 
2013-04-18 01:35:06 PM

Phoenix_M: Agree with everything you said except  "one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white." They never said they're looking for White guys & the FBI clearly has video have the suspect(s) dropping off the bag(s).


You're right, my bad. Went googling to get the exact description and CNN had the ethnicity listed, but FBI hasn't stated it, sooo it looks like THEY really want it to be white guys.

/Maybe I really want it to be white guys.
//I just want the chicken farkers found already.
 
2013-04-18 01:36:04 PM

2 grams: Oh, I thought you told that story because everyone who rides the T is opininated douche.


I've had a few good dates who were very polite, thank you.
 
2013-04-18 01:36:47 PM

Phoenix_M: YodaBlues: Tatsuma: Speaker2Animals: Right, no one except the editors of the NY Post who put their pictures on the front page with screaming f*cking headlines all but calling them guilty.

Not just the NY Post, but CBS, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc... Every news outlet were running pictures of those guys yesterday saying they were suspects and that the FBI was looking for them and pretty much saying they were the guys responsible.

The whole MSM should be attacked for this, not one of many papers to run this as front page material.

HAH! So I think you've slipped a little below CNN in the credibility department. The FBI NEVER named these two as 'suspects'. The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.

You've been pushing these two hard, despite not fitting the description that was released by the FBI. The FBI didn't release this photo either, it came from a Reddit thread and was originally sourced from a Gawker Media (maybe Deadspin or Gizmodo) writer who was outside the site of bomb #1. The FBI hasn't released the images/video that they say capture the suspects they are interested in and no independent sources has it because it came from the dept. store camera across from bomb site #2.

YOU FOUND an image that barely fit your narrative and the description (white hat, black bag)and jumped on the bandwagon, cause "HEY! BROWN, MUST BE THEM!"

Agree with everything you said except  "one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white." They never said they're looking for White guys & the FBI clearly has video have the suspect(s) dropping off the bag(s).



With all of the info that has been coming out it isn't that hard to weed out the info given by the FBI and info taken from the back of the internets cocktail napkin. And these are super duper analytical minds measuring the thread count on peoples backpacks and scaling the size of every model pressure cooker available to see if it would fit in random peoples backpacks.....

Top internet men.
 
2013-04-18 01:37:08 PM

Tatsuma: the FBI did say they were suspects


No they didn't. Stop lying.
 
2013-04-18 01:38:03 PM
On a side note, do any of you visit liveleak or other sites?  The relationship between the act of killing and Allah in these Arab nations is quite frankly scary as hell.  In 2001, I sided with the "Islam is actually peaceful" camp.  But it is not.  It truly is a religion ruled by the sword.
Sadly, we devastated the only Arab country that began thinking in terms of the western culture.  That being Iraq.
 
2013-04-18 01:38:26 PM
Sorry WebKids.  You slander and defame someone, you pay for it.  If it were me I'd be chasing down a couple large paychecks.
 
2013-04-18 01:39:06 PM

Tatsuma: Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s.


No, not racism, profiling.

Sorry, but a white guy in his 50's is a prime demographic for this bombing too. Like it or not, in the pool for the most likely candidates its a too-close-to-call split between the perps either have a prayer rug or a Gadsden flag.

/and before those morons that wave around Gadsden flags start howling about being unfairly persecuted, if you didn't want people to suspect you of shiat like this, maybe you shouldn't threaten to do it so much, so loudly, or so often then.
 
2013-04-18 01:39:07 PM
I hope those guys end up owning the New York Post. They'll almost certainly do a better job of running it - at least they couldn't do worse.
 
2013-04-18 01:39:13 PM

I should be in the kitchen: James!: Reddit already stalked these two guys into the ground based on their junior FBI bullshiat.  They happen to be runners at a marathon. So very suspicious.

They were guilty of Running While Brown.

Like that Saudi student who was tackled for "suspiciously" running away from a farking explosion.

We have enough problems with racial profiling without jackholes like the NY Post fanning the flames with speculation and outright false information. Posting such things and discussing "what if...?" on an internet forum or blog is one thing, but to do so on the front page of a paper (or a TV news program) is dangerous and irresponsible. And of course you NEVER hear an apology or correction after the fact. Not like most Americans would notice or remember anyway, if the truth doesn't fit into their worldview narrative.


Their demo is right wing racists and bigots, and they hit all the right buttons. Just look at the thread. One of them gets so excited he cannot wait to run interference for them.
 
2013-04-18 01:39:22 PM

RexTalionis: Tatsuma: No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

According to Tatsuma, all of these people are suspects.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x564]

http://deadspin.com/i-watched-the-marathon-bombing-from-above-these- ar e-my-473591429

Here's a list of the complete sequence of photos from the photographer that made them. Nothing to back up Tatsuma's assertion that one of them left a bag.


is that red circle the bomb bag?
 
2013-04-18 01:39:23 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: No they didn't. Stop lying.


I've just literally posted a screencap on television of the FBI asking for info about them. Me calling them a suspect is an error because the MSM said they were suspects when the FBI described them as Persons of Interest only
 
2013-04-18 01:42:06 PM

Tatsuma: Danger Mouse: Except other photo from other people show them without the bags moments before the blast. I belive it was very irresponsible for the Post to put this on thier front page, but the hate for TATS is interfering withmany farkers common sense.

Pretty much.

I'm in the middle of a flame war and I don't even what it's about right now. It's kind of weird.


I think it's because you keep insisting they were directly over ground zero and observed to drop something when they were actually just in vague proximity to it, and that it was conclusive that they left a bag, when the pictures "sans bag" all show him with front obscured while he is apparently holding SOMETHING in front of him.  The accusations of racism come from the insistence they must be involved, to the point of mocking people pointing out how normal their behavior appeared to be from the pictures.

I must admit, I was actually hoping for a bit of a retraction from you today.  I am well aware you were very careful to take the CNN route of "only reporting what other people found as 'interesting'", but it's disappointing watching you do damage control about why you suspected them instead of just saying that you were mislead by inconclusive evidence, and you apologize for your part in spreading their image over, and over, and over again with accusatory captioning.
 
2013-04-18 01:42:34 PM
If the NY Post put up a picture of me and called me the "bag man" for the bombings?  After discussing my complete innocence with the FBI I'd be dancing in the streets over my forthcoming payday, because I would ride those b@stards right into the ground.
 
2013-04-18 01:43:28 PM

monoski: Looks like someone might make some money from the race without beating the Kenyans.


HAs anbody looked into the possibility of the bombers being Kenyans?  I've got a bazillion photos of Kenyans all running around that day...very suspicious.  I bet they don't even live here.
 
2013-04-18 01:44:23 PM

Mr Guy: was conclusive


bah inconclusive
 
2013-04-18 01:44:32 PM

This is really a simple case to solve.  Stop looking for dark skinned men with backpacks in the crowd.  Arabs aren't know for their pressure cooked dinners.  Neither are Israelies.  Nor are Irish.

But this man is...

www.genuinekentucky.com


Find his face in this crowd, and you've got a suspect.  He always wears white too.  Should be easy to pick out of a crowd.
 
2013-04-18 01:46:10 PM

Tatsuma: Zulu_as_Kono: No they didn't. Stop lying.

I've just literally posted a screencap on television of the FBI asking for info about them. Me calling them a suspect is an error because the MSM said they were suspects when the FBI described them as Persons of Interest only


Where's your source for the MSM calling them "suspects"? That screen cap isn't it.

What's your strategy once you've wheeled the goalposts out of the endzone, over the cheap seats and across the parking lot?
 
2013-04-18 01:47:40 PM

YodaBlues: The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.


Does anyone have a pic of whom the FBI are talking about? With all of those photos out there, you would think someone would have posted it on Fark about now.
 
2013-04-18 01:47:47 PM

Tatsuma: Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.


You can't even lie well when you are quoting people, can you?

Sept. 15, 2001
Balbir Singh Sodhi - fatally shot

Sept. 15, 2001
Waqar Hasan - shot to death

Oct. 4
murder of Vasudev Patel

Sept. 29, 2001
Abdo Ali Ahmed - shot to death

That's 4 people murdered in that 2 month period, not just shot, murdered.
 
2013-04-18 01:48:29 PM

Tatsuma: I've just literally posted a screencap on television of the FBI asking for info about them


So it should be available online somewhere?

Do you have a link?

Even a text description only will do, it doesn't need to be a photo.

As far as I know thats a news show referencing the NYP or an internet forum, not the FBI.
 
2013-04-18 01:50:14 PM

Tatsuma: Me calling them a suspect is an error because the MSM said they were suspects when the FBI described them as Persons of Interest only


Was there a press conference yesterday after all and I missed it?  When did the FBI describe them as persons of interest?
 
2013-04-18 01:50:24 PM

mekki: YodaBlues: The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.

Does anyone have a pic of whom the FBI are talking about? With all of those photos out there, you would think someone would have posted it on Fark about now.


The FBI has footage from a store security camera that the Internet Bureau of Investigation does not have.
 
2013-04-18 01:51:44 PM
Has anyone suggested that these people were viewed as being suspicious because they are men? I know men probably commit 90% of the violent crime, but quit with the profiling. It's 2013, we should all be equally suspicious.
 
2013-04-18 01:51:50 PM

mekki: YodaBlues: The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.

Does anyone have a pic of whom the FBI are talking about? With all of those photos out there, you would think someone would have posted it on Fark about now.


The description, I believe, comes from a video from a surveillance camera from a Lord & Taylor's across the street from the bomb sites. FBI has not released the images because they think it will hinder the investigation. I've looked over the internet images pretty well, but I'm not seeing the person they described. Of course, it's a huge crowd and the images are from varying times of day, so it's beyond looking for a needle in a haystack.
 
2013-04-18 01:51:59 PM
When Deadspin complains about your lack of journalistic standards, you really SUCK.
 
2013-04-18 01:52:27 PM

RexTalionis: HotWingConspiracy: Tatsuma: Snuffybud: That's a hell of a lot more than the 2 incidents you claimed.

After a quick look, I also said that he was right, it was more than that. I also said in September and October, that three men were shot and three others were assaulted, and the list you posted backs up exactly what I said.

You'll repeat the lie the next time you feel it serves you though.

He made the claim in the thread on Monday already. A lot of people pointed out to him that he was wrong. He's making the claim again. And he'll keep doing so in future threads, because the posters will be different and would've forgotten about it.


I wonder if he's aware that we can actually read the entire thread?
 
2013-04-18 01:52:39 PM
I knew those two weren't suspects. Everyone knows that evil doesn't drink Simply Orange Juice. Now Sunny D? That's sociopath worthy.
 
2013-04-18 01:53:06 PM
 this is absolutely, aboslutely, absolutely terrible, and is the dark side of the internet, /b notwithstanning.

you have millions and millions and shaggies and scooby doos using their finely-tuned conspiracy theory skills, except in this case they're not looking at shadows on flags or arguing about the melting point of steel. they're trying to solve a crime if not an act of terrorism.

it's one thing for the FBI to crowdsource for pics, because they can do their job. it's another for the CAPSLOCK Holmes (ZOMG LOOK AT TEH BOOKBAG!!!!) on Reddit or 4Chan or wherever else to start reconstructing crime scenes from their masturbatoriums in the parents house.
 
2013-04-18 01:53:18 PM

Tatsuma: Snuffybud: *Citation needed*

[i.imgur.com image 640x391]


A local TV station screencap? Where's the MSM links you promised? Where's the pictures from MSNBC? CNN? FOX? C'mon, you're making the claim, prove it.
 
2013-04-18 01:53:34 PM

Mr Guy: I must admit, I was actually hoping for a bit of a retraction from you today. I am well aware you were very careful to take the CNN route of "only reporting what other people found as 'interesting'", but it's disappointing watching you do damage control about why you suspected them instead of just saying that you were mislead by inconclusive evidence, and you apologize for your part in spreading their image over, and over, and over again with accusatory captioning.


... but from the beginning I said I didn't know for sure whether these guys were actually behind it, I said that the crowd-sourced made a compelling case for them, and that's about it. I was never adamant that 'It must be them!'. I'm not trying to do damage control at all, the only think I did in those first two posts was to point out that people were not suspecting them because of racism but because of the 'evidence' that was brought up, evidence that was good enough for the FBI to make a public call for people to come forward and identify them.

I am not sure what I should be apologizing for. If you say that some of the earlier evidence presented to say that they were possible suspects has since been recanted, well I have not seen that, if you can send me a link, I'll be glad to read it. Either way, the FBI cleared them, and that in itself is enough for me, all the stuff we saw earlier was only circumstantial evidence, and that in itself is a good enough proof that people should never be convicted of major crimes based on circumstantial evidence alone in a court of law.
 
2013-04-18 01:58:26 PM

Snuffybud: You can't even lie well when you are quoting people, can you?


So later in the blurb they pointed to another murder that they didn't reproduce in the blurb, so that's four shot, three assaulted.

How does that make me a liar? This is getting ridiculous.

Zulu_as_Kono: Was there a press conference yesterday after all and I missed it? When did the FBI describe them as persons of interest?


Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.

The FBI indicated they wanted to know who they were and that they were persons of interest, but they were eventually cleared of everything, and that's great. The only point I am making is that these guys were not seen as persons of interests because they were browner than your average Bostonian, but because of the circumstances around the pictures (where they were, the bags, etc....) There is another white guy receiving the same treatment due to the same thing.
 
2013-04-18 01:59:49 PM

Tatsuma: Mr Guy: I must admit, I was actually hoping for a bit of a retraction from you today. I am well aware you were very careful to take the CNN route of "only reporting what other people found as 'interesting'", but it's disappointing watching you do damage control about why you suspected them instead of just saying that you were mislead by inconclusive evidence, and you apologize for your part in spreading their image over, and over, and over again with accusatory captioning.

... but from the beginning I said I didn't know for sure whether these guys were actually behind it, I said that the crowd-sourced made a compelling case for them, and that's about it. I was never adamant that 'It must be them!'. I'm not trying to do damage control at all, the only think I did in those first two posts was to point out that people were not suspecting them because of racism but because of the 'evidence' that was brought up, evidence that was good enough for the FBI to make a public call for people to come forward and identify them.

I am not sure what I should be apologizing for. If you say that some of the earlier evidence presented to say that they were possible suspects has since been recanted, well I have not seen that, if you can send me a link, I'll be glad to read it. Either way, the FBI cleared them, and that in itself is enough for me, all the stuff we saw earlier was only circumstantial evidence, and that in itself is a good enough proof that people should never be convicted of major crimes based on circumstantial evidence alone in a court of law.


Here's where he feigns ignorance of participating in the accusatory drum beat.

He was just asking questions, just talking about what other people were talking about.

They've been cleared, and he loves everybody.
 
2013-04-18 02:02:04 PM
Tatsuma wants  so badly for the suspects to be brown that his posts take up nearly half the thread.

Imagine what were to happen if the same thing were to happen to Jews. He'd go absolutely apesh*t.
 
2013-04-18 02:04:00 PM

Tatsuma: Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.


Using anything CNN reported yesterday to back up your argument isn't helping.  They spent the afternoon putting on a clinic on how to eliminate any credibility you have as a news network.
 
2013-04-18 02:05:28 PM

Aarontology: Tatsuma: , America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA


Woulda been better with a sparkly eagle.

media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-18 02:06:25 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Tatsuma: Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.

Using anything CNN reported yesterday to back up your argument isn't helping.  They spent the afternoon putting on a clinic on how to eliminate any credibility you have as a news network.


Now you'll get a reply stating that NO REALLY they really did arrest a guy!
 
2013-04-18 02:06:31 PM

SlothB77: RexTalionis: Tatsuma: No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

According to Tatsuma, all of these people are suspects.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x564]

http://deadspin.com/i-watched-the-marathon-bombing-from-above-these- ar e-my-473591429

Here's a list of the complete sequence of photos from the photographer that made them. Nothing to back up Tatsuma's assertion that one of them left a bag.

is that red circle the bomb bag?


No, I can't post the original picture because it's too big, so I picked a random smaller version off of Google Image search.
 
2013-04-18 02:07:13 PM

Tatsuma: BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.

This is just... don't have words. I'm sure everyone reading this will be appalled, especially Boston Farkers. fark.


Malden is about 50% white trash and 50% upwardly-mobile first or second generation immigrant families buying inexpensive starter homes.

Fun mix.
 
2013-04-18 02:08:49 PM

Tatsuma: I said that the crowd-sourced made a compelling case for them, and that's about it


You're technically correct, and that's the best kind of correct legally.

Tatsuma: I am not sure what I should be apologizing for.


Well, you could start by saying you may have jumped to conclusions when you kept posting images a guy standing around in a crowd having clearly left his backpack at the scene of the detonation when he was A) not wearing what the FBI said the suspect was wearing B) not moving quickly through the crowd to place the first bag and move to the second location, as the FBI describe the video, and C) still holding the backpack in front of him in the last shots of him, disputably.

You asked why you got stuck in the center of the controversy, but you know exactly why.  It's for not letting go of these guys as likely based on crowd sourcing when it should have started to become obvious they weren't wearing the right thing, or doing the behaviors we're looking for, since literally the only solid thing the FBI has told us about the Lord and Taylor is the bomber came to the first detonation site, planted it, and left immediately.  These guys aren't doing that, aren't wearing the right color clothes, and were only ID'd by the media as suspect because people like the Reddit crowd and you kept insisting it was conclusive that they were in the right place (which they weren't) and with the right kind of bag (which they didn't seem to have) that they left it (which they didn't seem to), and that the FBI was looking for them (which they aren't).

We're mocking you for the same reason we mocked CNN.  You reported other people's incorrect claims loudly and repeatedly, and feel like it's sufficient to cover your conscious that you were merely repeating the words of others.
 
2013-04-18 02:10:00 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Using anything CNN reported yesterday to back up your argument isn't helping. They spent the afternoon putting on a clinic on how to eliminate any credibility you have as a news network.


He asked where it was discussed in the MSM, the fact that they screwed the pooch about an arrest yesterday is irrelevant. CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.

I think that one of the most disappointing thing in all of this is that all the 4chan/reddit/internet crowd-sourced forensic apparently went to waste on multiple suspects that had nothing to do with it, so apparently instead of potentially being another tool that could help the FBI/government to track down terrorists in events like that, it's just gigs and gigs of wasted space and thousands of hours of wasted time. To me that's what was the most interesting about those, and in the end it just deflated into nothingness.
 
2013-04-18 02:11:43 PM
static.prisonplanet.com

static.prisonplanet.com

static.infowars.com

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.
 
2013-04-18 02:11:50 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Tatsuma: BunkoSquad: Hey, look, it's happening already.

This is just... don't have words. I'm sure everyone reading this will be appalled, especially Boston Farkers. fark.

Malden is about 50% white trash and 50% upwardly-mobile first or second generation immigrant families buying inexpensive starter homes.

Fun mix.


I used to know a guy from Malden.  He was buck-toothed, his best friend couldn't control his bowels and his mother was known to kidnap dogs that were left outside.
 
2013-04-18 02:12:03 PM
The original ATL Olympic bombing suspect got a big bag of cash from NBC for their premature conviction of him
 
2013-04-18 02:13:44 PM

Mr Guy: Tatsuma: I said that the crowd-sourced made a compelling case for them, and that's about it

You're technically correct, and that's the best kind of correct legally.

Tatsuma: I am not sure what I should be apologizing for.

Well, you could start by saying you may have jumped to conclusions when you kept posting images a guy standing around in a crowd having clearly left his backpack at the scene of the detonation when he was A) not wearing what the FBI said the suspect was wearing B) not moving quickly through the crowd to place the first bag and move to the second location, as the FBI describe the video, and C) still holding the backpack in front of him in the last shots of him, disputably.

You asked why you got stuck in the center of the controversy, but you know exactly why.  It's for not letting go of these guys as likely based on crowd sourcing when it should have started to become obvious they weren't wearing the right thing, or doing the behaviors we're looking for, since literally the only solid thing the FBI has told us about the Lord and Taylor is the bomber came to the first detonation site, planted it, and left immediately.  These guys aren't doing that, aren't wearing the right color clothes, and were only ID'd by the media as suspect because people like the Reddit crowd and you kept insisting it was conclusive that they were in the right place (which they weren't) and with the right kind of bag (which they didn't seem to have) that they left it (which they didn't seem to), and that the FBI was looking for them (which they aren't).

We're mocking you for the same reason we mocked CNN.  You reported other people's incorrect claims loudly and repeatedly, and feel like it's sufficient to cover your conscious that you were merely repeating the words of others.


I believe his words in the thread yesterday were "Case Closed" in regards to these two young men.
 
2013-04-18 02:14:00 PM

Tatsuma: He asked where it was discussed in the MSM, the fact that they screwed the pooch about an arrest yesterday is irrelevant. CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.


It's pretty relevant if you're trying to prove the credibility of your claim.
 
2013-04-18 02:15:00 PM
Mr Guy:

I would have apologized if only for one thing: The FBI itself gave the picture to news outlets asking for information on those men as persons of interests and it was broadcast nationally.

Clearly I wasn't jumping at conclusions, they just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and appeared to be ditching bags (I suppose in the end they didn't but there were no pictures of them leaving the scene with those bags). The FBI itself wanted to have a word with them about this.

Had this not been the case, I would indeed have apologized for my role in furthering the distribution of that picture, but once the FBI distributed the picture, that makes it completely irrelevant for me to do so. Especially when I posted their picture in the first place and said only that crowd-sourced forensic made a compelling case about those two, and spent most of the other thread discussing crowd-sourced forensic, not screaming 'THEYRE GUILTY!'
 
2013-04-18 02:15:38 PM

darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.


Another group is claiming Chris Kyle faked his death and those are all people from Craft International or something.
 
2013-04-18 02:15:40 PM
Hope you don't mind if I copy/pasta, Rex.
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Tatsuma: They are most assuredly innocent. I'm sorry, how does he know that?


Statements from the investigators, and the fact that they aren't carrying bags that are similar to the ones recovered from the bombing.


Tatsuma: The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.



So were dozens of other people, all of which you can see in the photo that singled them out.


Tatsuma: And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.



The Police and FBI have not released any official pictures of the suspects they are looking for.


Tatsuma: But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!



Where did the FBI claim these two were suspects or persons of interest? And do you think people will really move on considering after the NY Post called these guys out as practically the suspects themselves? Did you forget what happened to Richard Jewell?


Tatsuma: Today on CBS This Morning, John Miller specifically said these two are not the suspects the FBI is seeking. This Boston Globe story sheds more light on the images authorities are using to track down the suspects, and their description makes clear it's not a high schooler and his friend

Case closed, then! They certainly considered them suspicious before, but now they have been cleared, so awesome for them.



Where did the authorities say they considered them suspects, considering that the FBI and Police have not released any pictures of suspects?
 
2013-04-18 02:15:58 PM

Tatsuma: The FBI itself gave the picture to news outlets asking for information on those men as persons of interests and it was broadcast nationally.


No it didn't. That's not even the right backpack.
 
2013-04-18 02:16:14 PM

Tatsuma: Snuffybud: You can't even lie well when you are quoting people, can you?

So later in the blurb they pointed to another murder that they didn't reproduce in the blurb, so that's four shot, three assaulted.

How does that make me a liar? This is getting ridiculous.

Zulu_as_Kono: Was there a press conference yesterday after all and I missed it? When did the FBI describe them as persons of interest?

Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.

The FBI indicated they wanted to know who they were and that they were persons of interest, but they were eventually cleared of everything, and that's great. The only point I am making is that these guys were not seen as persons of interests because they were browner than your average Bostonian, but because of the circumstances around the pictures (where they were, the bags, etc....) There is another white guy receiving the same treatment due to the same thing.


Except it's not just 4 shot, 3 assaulted. Those are the incidents that only count because you keep on moving those goal posts. An attempt to run someone down with a car doesn't count as an assault because the car missed? Bombings don't count because people weren't blown up? Shootings don't count if the shots went wide? Holding a gun to someone while issuing threats isn't violent because the perp didn't pull the trigger? You've got an awful warped version of what is violent and what is not.
 
2013-04-18 02:16:30 PM

Tatsuma: Yanks_RSJ: Using anything CNN reported yesterday to back up your argument isn't helping. They spent the afternoon putting on a clinic on how to eliminate any credibility you have as a news network.

He asked where it was discussed in the MSM, the fact that they screwed the pooch about an arrest yesterday is irrelevant. CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.

I think that one of the most disappointing thing in all of this is that all the 4chan/reddit/internet crowd-sourced forensic apparently went to waste on multiple suspects that had nothing to do with it, so apparently instead of potentially being another tool that could help the FBI/government to track down terrorists in events like that, it's just gigs and gigs of wasted space and thousands of hours of wasted time. To me that's what was the most interesting about those, and in the end it just deflated into nothingness.


Now he's shirking his entire participation and expressing disappointment with the people that started what he continued. Darn them.

Fully cleansed, until next time anyway.
 
2013-04-18 02:16:37 PM

Tatsuma: CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.


So you breathlessly repeated every allegation they made about Semitic "suspects".

Muslim Woman Describes Assault, Harassment near Malden Center

Good job, Tats! You deserve a pat on the back for helping whip up the hysteria!
 
2013-04-18 02:16:49 PM

Tatsuma: How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.


Has the creepy looking white guy in the blue sweatjacket had his face plastered all over the papers/media or ANYWHERE except in forums pointing back to Reddit? No
 
2013-04-18 02:17:58 PM

monoski: The original ATL Olympic bombing suspect got a big bag of cash from NBC for their premature conviction of him


But he was completely unemployable after that no matter how many Eric Rudolph's they caught and convicted for the ATL bombing.
 
2013-04-18 02:18:08 PM

Tatsuma: I would have apologized if only for one thing: The FBI itself gave the picture to news outlets asking for information on those men as persons of interests and it was broadcast nationally.


All those news outlets would have an internet or social media presence that you could post a link to in order to confirm that, right?
 
2013-04-18 02:20:35 PM

jaytkay: Tatsuma: CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.

So you breathlessly repeated every allegation they made about Semitic "suspects".

Muslim Woman Describes Assault, Harassment near Malden Center

Good job, Tats! You deserve a pat on the back for helping whip up the hysteria!


http://www.ibtimes.com/boston-marathon-bombing-fallout-bangladeshi-m an -beaten-bronx-being-arab-1201819

Boston Marathon Bombing Fallout: Bangladeshi Man Beaten In Bronx For Being An 'Arab'

The New York Post reported that 30-year-old Abdullah Faruque, who was born in Bangladesh but grew up in the Bronx, was having dinner at a Bronx restaurant Monday night when three or four Hispanic men apparently wanted revenge for the Boston Marathon bombings earlier in the day (presumably they had already ascertained that the Boston blasts were perpetrated by Arabs or Muslims).

The paper noted that the four men viciously beat Faruque while shouting  "f--king Arab" at the Bengali man as he stepped out of the Applebee's restaurant on Exterior Avenue in Melrose for a smoke.
 
2013-04-18 02:21:11 PM

Giltric: darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.

Another group is claiming Chris Kyle faked his death and those are all people from Craft International or something.


Hmmmmm....
 
2013-04-18 02:22:17 PM

I_C_Weener: monoski: The original ATL Olympic bombing suspect got a big bag of cash from NBC for their premature conviction of him

But he was completely unemployable after that no matter how many Eric Rudolph's they caught and convicted for the ATL bombing.


And died at 44.
 
2013-04-18 02:23:53 PM
Tatsuma:
I would have apologized if only for one thing: The FBI itself gave the picture to news outlets asking for information on those men as persons of interests and it was broadcast nationally.


No, they did not.
 
2013-04-18 02:25:19 PM

Tatsuma: I would have apologized if only for one thing: The FBI itself gave the picture to news outlets asking for information on those men as persons of interests and it was broadcast nationally.

Clearly I wasn't jumping at conclusions, they just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and appeared to be ditching bags (I suppose in the end they didn't but there were no pictures of them leaving the scene with those bags). The FBI itself wanted to have a word with them about this.


Actually, I mostly only see unsupported claims from various news organizations that the FBI wanted to talk to them, quoting various sources anonymously.  The FBI itself, meanwhile, is mostly talking about the live action video they have of the actual drop.  The FBI's level of giving a crap about these two guys seems non-existent, and the local media seems to be miss-attributing random gossip online as fact.

Most of what I see from the FBI has been telling the media to quit posting pictures of people as suspects, because it makes their job harder and ruins lives.
 
2013-04-18 02:25:51 PM
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FBI ASKED US TO DO. CALM THE F*CK DOWN. You can't expect everyone who has a good heart and wants to help with the crowdsourcing effort to get it right on the first try. People are combing through pictures and simply offering up ideas. They are going to find five or ten people who look suspicious because they are carrying heavy bags and wandering around in the photos. Most of them will be innocent. But you know what? One of these f*ckers is going to turn out to be the perp. The son of a biatch was there that day and someone definitely took a picture of him. So calm the f*ck down and stop discouraging people from trying to help. Absolutely no one has said for sure that these two guys are guilty; only that the FBI wants to talk to them.
 
2013-04-18 02:26:27 PM
Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.
 
2013-04-18 02:27:25 PM
Police question innocent people all the time, it part of their job, you know the investigating crime part.

The problem arises when they show up beat you then arrest you for resisting arrest and then grill you.
 
2013-04-18 02:29:10 PM

Tatsuma: Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.


Sucks when what you're trying to do happens to you, don't it?
 
2013-04-18 02:29:26 PM

Tatsuma: Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.


You were caught lying several times in this thread alone.
 
2013-04-18 02:31:16 PM

Tommy Moo: THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FBI ASKED US TO DO. CALM THE F*CK DOWN. You can't expect everyone who has a good heart and wants to help with the crowdsourcing effort to get it right on the first try. People are combing through pictures and simply offering up ideas. They are going to find five or ten people who look suspicious because they are carrying heavy bags and wandering around in the photos. Most of them will be innocent. But you know what? One of these f*ckers is going to turn out to be the perp. The son of a biatch was there that day and someone definitely took a picture of him. So calm the f*ck down and stop discouraging people from trying to help. Absolutely no one has said for sure that these two guys are guilty; only that the FBI wants to talk to them.


When did the FBI ask the armchair detectives to comb through the instagram evidence and identify suspects?
 
2013-04-18 02:31:32 PM
ruining the lives of dark skinned people who happened to be in the crowd

You, and the rest of the crusaders, get in threads ranting about teabaggers. And how all Republicans are whatever. And, how all gun owners are whatever. etc

So, thanks for the snicker. It's not stereotyping when you do it. It's hip, or something.

If a dark skinned person gets arrested for Boston, it's time for an all-new episode of Not All Muslims Do This. If somebody else gets arrested for this, we will watch as the left has Time's Square New Year's Eve in April, while they paint with very broad strokes.
 
2013-04-18 02:31:46 PM

darth_badger: Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.


static.prisonplanet.com

Sorry, if you wear your unit insignia ON YOUR FREAKIN HAT you don't get to claim you are undercover.

/just sayin
 
MFK
2013-04-18 02:32:13 PM

Tatsuma: Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.


^^^^The real victim here.
 
2013-04-18 02:33:35 PM
Can we restart this thread and talk about how much of a clusterfark the NY Post is?
 
2013-04-18 02:35:48 PM

Tatsuma: How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.


Uh huh. The Post had access to ALL of those photos, and the police description from the surveillance video is very different from these two guys, and yet they picked this one for the cover. I'm sure the Post has absolutely no interest in driving an anti-Muslim message. When have they ever done that?
 
2013-04-18 02:36:14 PM
Is this the thread where we make wildy unfounded accusations of people; who may or may not have been there?

/ I'm pretty sure that somebody can 6 degrees of separation the president, a pogo stick, the illuminati, sovereign citizens and a partrage in a pear tree into this one.
 
2013-04-18 02:36:45 PM

darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.


Heh...

Wearing unit hats and fatigue style cargo pants is a hell of a way to stay undercover.  Further, one thing SEALs are sure not know for is physical fitness and the desire to excel at personal fitness challenges.  I can assure they also never run in a world class marathon or support their friends or teammates that would never run in such an event.
 
2013-04-18 02:39:02 PM

RexTalionis: jaytkay: Tatsuma: CNN has been pretty shiat for a long time.

So you breathlessly repeated every allegation they made about Semitic "suspects".

Muslim Woman Describes Assault, Harassment near Malden Center

Good job, Tats! You deserve a pat on the back for helping whip up the hysteria!

http://www.ibtimes.com/boston-marathon-bombing-fallout-bangladeshi-m an -beaten-bronx-being-arab-1201819

Boston Marathon Bombing Fallout: Bangladeshi Man Beaten In Bronx For Being An 'Arab'

The New York Post reported that 30-year-old Abdullah Faruque, who was born in Bangladesh but grew up in the Bronx, was having dinner at a Bronx restaurant Monday night when three or four Hispanic men apparently wanted revenge for the Boston Marathon bombings earlier in the day (presumably they had already ascertained that the Boston blasts were perpetrated by Arabs or Muslims).

The paper noted that the four men viciously beat Faruque while shouting  "f--king Arab" at the Bengali man as he stepped out of the Applebee's restaurant on Exterior Avenue in Melrose for a smoke.


Dumbasses, isn't eating at Applebee's enough punishment?
 
2013-04-18 02:39:53 PM

SpectroBoy: darth_badger: Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.



Sorry, if you wear your unit insignia ON YOUR FREAKIN HAT you don't get to claim you are undercover.

/just sayin


Maybe they are fans of comic books. Haven't you guys heard of "The Punisher".

/ congratulations! You guys just caught Leonard and Sheldon
 
2013-04-18 02:40:00 PM

barneyfifesbullet: You, and the rest of the crusaders, get in threads ranting about teabaggers. And how all Republicans are whatever. And, how all gun owners are whatever. etc


I'm sorry, does the comment that "all Republicans are  whatever" directly impact the lives of specific Republicans?

Jesus, man.
 
2013-04-18 02:40:09 PM

Tatsuma: Snuffybud: You can't even lie well when you are quoting people, can you?

So later in the blurb they pointed to another murder that they didn't reproduce in the blurb, so that's four shot, three assaulted.

How does that make me a liar? This is getting ridiculous.

Zulu_as_Kono: Was there a press conference yesterday after all and I missed it? When did the FBI describe them as persons of interest?

Posted a screencap earlier in the thread, it was being discussed around on television (heard it on CNN myself), other farkers chimed in to say the same in yesterday's thread about other channels too.

The FBI indicated they wanted to know who they were and that they were persons of interest, but they were eventually cleared of everything, and that's great. The only point I am making is that these guys were not seen as persons of interests because they were browner than your average Bostonian, but because of the circumstances around the pictures (where they were, the bags, etc....) There is another white guy receiving the same treatment due to the same thing.


You are posting a lot of smart posts.  I know.  I looked.  Don't let the bastards get you down.
 
2013-04-18 02:44:30 PM

lantawa: You are posting a lot of smart posts.  I know.  I looked.  Don't let the bastards get you down


lolwut
 
2013-04-18 02:45:34 PM

Giltric: darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.

Another group is claiming Chris Kyle faked his death and those are all people from Craft International or something.


Hey, to continue a conversation that we started yesterday about those two...
I don't think they're undercover anything.  They could be security, but I think they would be either much more or much less obvious.    I mean, yes, UCs tend to stick out, but they stick out because they're trying to be subtle and failing.

Anyway, maybe they were watching the race?  There's a photo where they're both on their phones (with backpacks intact) and it appears to have been taken after the explosions.  If they were working I would expect to see them tending to the wounded.  If they were perps, they wouldn't still have their backpacks.
 
2013-04-18 02:47:34 PM
After I decided to leave this thread, I thought 'You know what? Maybe these people are right, in the sense that I sounded too convinced that these guys might be guilty, when I didn't think so, just that reddit made a compelling case.' I went back to reread the thread. If I was wrong, I could after all apologize.

Boobies on the topic (my 10thish in the thread), in reply to a discussion about crowdsourced forensic and discussions about the white guy

Tatsuma:So far thought I'd say the best crowsourced forensic I saw came from Reddit, where they established that this guy who is wearing a black shirt and white hat had a bag exactly where the explosion happened a few minutes before this pic was taken, then he left the bag and walked off with the guy next to him, who was later photographed next to the second explosion site without a backpack as well.

I'd say that it'd be pretty incredible if the case was cracked before we even received any word from the FBI just based on pictures from the scene on the internet


Apparently the metadata/timeline was wrong and the pic was a couple of hours before, according to some posters on this thread. Here are my other posts on the topic:

Tatsuma: They played with the colors in many of the pictures, and from different angles, and he clearly does not have a backpack anymore. Backpack which looks like the picture that was released by the FBI

Again, definitely not throwing my money on this one, just saying that they made a good case and I'll be really impressed if they cracked this before the FBI announced anything


Tatsuma
: I agree, I clearly know that you can rely on bloggers and even twitter to give more accurate news than the mainstream media.

However, I saw these pictures almost 12 hours ago. To have people already establishing who was where and when based purely on pictures from the incident and being able to establish a timeline + bags after only a few hours is still pretty impressive if they end up being right.

Tatsuma
: That's possible. As I said, way too early and we should wait for the FBI, but if so, they cracked the case about 12 hours ago. Really impressive.

Tatsuma: I believe that the answer to this is we are not sure that the straps actually had white stripes on them, or they were caused by the damages on the bag due to the explosion


As I said, I'm not totally convinced but they put forth a really decent case. Better than the lone guy anyway, as he only had one bag.


Tatsuma: Yeah they have a whole timeline as well, seems pretty credible. An arrest has been made, so we'll see if crowdsourcing this will actually be right!

This is hours later, after CNN discussed their pictures:

Tatsuma: CNN confirmed that the two guys I posted are considered 'persons of interests' by the FBI and apparently in that very picture (where the one backpack disappears, they are standing directly over ground zero.

This is after I heard them referred to as 'suspects', which turned out to be wrong and an idiot on tv confusing person of interest with suspect, where once again my main focus of discussion is about crowd-sourcing, not the guys themselves:

Tatsuma: Looks like the suspects were identified through crowd-sourcing merely hours after the event.

I seriously wonder if they were possibly identified by the Internet before they even were by the FBI. The FBI is powerful, but you had tens of thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands working with every sources they could get their hands on online.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually beat the FBI to the punch, or ended up sending them in the right direction


If I have to apologize for one thing, its for calling them suspects, and even that comes after the MSM used that word about them:

Tatsuma: Well the FBI described those two men, saying that they are in fact the prime suspects so whether these pictures were taken a couple of hours before the bomb exploded, they are seen clearly discarding a backpack exactly on ground zero, and that's what it blew up.

There I was making fun of people who assumed they were automatically guilty:

Tatsuma: First guy had loose wires coming out of his closes, and the second guy is wearing that shirt tucked in his pants.

CASE CLOSED

  
So yeah, turns out that I am vindicated by my posts in the other threads, nothing I said that was out of line or even came close to assuming that these guys were guilty. I certainly was not waving a pitchfork and torch around about them either.
 
2013-04-18 02:47:35 PM

Tatsuma: The vast vast vast overwhelming majority of Americans realized that even though 9/11 was carried by fanatic Islamic extremists, Muslims in America were American and in no way were either complicit or responsible for this.


I like the way you suggest that it's being American which exculpates Muslims from being terrorists, not the fact that the overfarkingwhelming mafarkingjority of Muslim detest terrorism.
 
2013-04-18 02:48:06 PM

ruta: When did the FBI ask the armchair detectives to comb through the instagram evidence and identify suspects?


Immediately after the event. It was one of the first public statements they issued.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/203171481.html?refer=y
 
2013-04-18 02:48:48 PM
I just checked out fbi.gov, and there's no photos on there. I would think that if they released a picture, it would be on their website.

It's interesting to look at the pictures and play amateur sleuth, the way people are doing, but this trial-by-internet and by the press is disturbing. I wouldn't blame that kid in the blue clothing if he sues the Post.
 
2013-04-18 02:49:40 PM

what_now: Jackson Herring: I like the mental image of the Boston Herald as a security blanky

I'm surprised you've never heard that story. I tell it all the time. Usually when someone cites the Herald as a news source.


I for one had not heard this story. I find it greatly amusing.
 
2013-04-18 02:49:43 PM
Here's hoping they file a lawsuit against the New York Post. Might teach that rag some form of responsible journalism.
 
2013-04-18 02:51:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma wants  so badly for the suspects to be brown that his posts take up nearly half the thread.

Imagine what were to happen if the same thing were to happen to Jews. He'd go absolutely apesh*t.


Gah. Enough with the "brown" trope. Jews are exactly the same color as Arabs (and Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, etc.), ranging from ginger pale to mahogany.

What a "brown" might look like:

img.xcitefun.org
 
2013-04-18 02:53:33 PM

Tommy Moo: Absolutely no one has said for sure that these two guys are guilty; only that the FBI wants to talk to them.


Yeah, wait for the FBI to make them commit suicide, then we can judge them guilty.
 
2013-04-18 02:54:46 PM

darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.


Those are cops. Lots and lots of cops are ex-military, and some worked down range as security contractors. The reason they have earpieces in is because they're cops working security. No telling which agency, but that's how cops dress when they're working plain clothes security (which is different from undercover).
 
2013-04-18 02:55:02 PM
Can I just go on record as being really,  really surprised to see a mod calling Tats out his bullshiat?
 
2013-04-18 02:55:57 PM

liltingbanshee: I just checked out fbi.gov, and there's no photos on there. I would think that if they released a picture, it would be on their website.

It's interesting to look at the pictures and play amateur sleuth, the way people are doing, but this trial-by-internet and by the press is disturbing. I wouldn't blame that kid in the blue clothing if he sues the Post.


They haven't released any photos and yesterday almost all the of media was guessing it was the high school kids because of the white hat but they kept saying they were still waiting for the FBI to release the photo.
 
2013-04-18 02:57:24 PM

orbister: Snuffybud: At Gat_00 said, this place was a much nicer place without you.

I'm wondering why the Tatbot has been rebooted.


Falling click revenue? Drew needs to raise money  because of Obamacare?
 
2013-04-18 02:58:23 PM

liltingbanshee: I just checked out fbi.gov, and there's no photos on there. I would think that if they released a picture, it would be on their website.

It's interesting to look at the pictures and play amateur sleuth, the way people are doing, but this trial-by-internet and by the press is disturbing. I wouldn't blame that kid in the blue clothing if he sues the Post.


He's got a heck of a case for false-light invasion of privacy. I'm sure he's being deluged by ambulance chasers as we speak.
 
2013-04-18 02:58:35 PM

Tommy Moo: Absolutely no one has said for sure that these two guys are guilty; only that the FBI wants to talk to them.



The FBI wants to talk to these folks too. It even has "Wanted" in the URL. They must be guilty of something!!!!

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap
 
2013-04-18 02:59:47 PM

mbillips: cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma wants  so badly for the suspects to be brown that his posts take up nearly half the thread.

Imagine what were to happen if the same thing were to happen to Jews. He'd go absolutely apesh*t.

Gah. Enough with the "brown" trope. Jews are exactly the same color as Arabs (and Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, etc.), ranging from ginger pale to mahogany.

What a "brown" might look like:

[img.xcitefun.org image 683x1024]


i.imm.io

/Still actually kind of hot.
 
2013-04-18 03:02:28 PM

Tatsuma: So yeah, turns out that I am vindicated by my posts in the other threads, nothing I said that was out of line or even came close to assuming that these guys were guilty. I certainly was not waving a pitchfork and torch around about them either.


No one says we don't understand that you weren't intending to push misleading information.  Ok, maybe SOME people are saying that.  I'm personally saying you overbit on cutting edge news, and were completely incorrect for the follow statements, even though I understand why you were mistaken in the way you were, given that the media was a hotmess:

Tatsuma: and he clearly does not have a backpack anymore

(Again, yes, he's got it in front of him, politely by the straps)

Tatsuma: Tatsuma: CNN confirmed that the two guys I posted are considered 'persons of interests' by the FBI and apparently in that very picture (where the one backpack disappears, they are standing directly over ground zero.

  (Not ground zero, still has the backpack)

Tatsuma: Tatsuma: CNN confirmed that the two guys I posted are considered 'persons of interests' by the FBI and apparently in that very picture

(Not your fault, but we all now know CNN was full of crap)


Tatsuma: If I have to apologize for one thing, its for calling them suspects, and even that comes after the MSM used that word about them:

Yes, this is where we totally agree.  Now all you need to do is quit bringing them up, and actually apologize for believing misleading information about them.  It's okay to have been wrong, and it's even okay to have been mislead.  I know I'm personally reacting a little to having brought up each of these points in the previous thread, and having had you basically tell me I was following for terrorist disguises by saying the look, behave, and act exactly as we'd expect them to, and there's no reason to suspect them other than being dark skin and shifting his bag from his back when the crowd was light, to his front where the crowd was dense, and for having a white hat and dark clothing, even though we were specifically looking for a backwards hat and a grey hooded sweatshirt covered by a black jacket which he clearly wasn't wearing.  That's why people are convinced you fixated on their skin color, because their clothing, demeanor, and location don't actually match what we're looking for, but you kept promoting them as a likely successful identification of the suspects.  Now, it offends us more because after they've actually been identified and cleared, you mostly just want to point out you only slung inferences in their direction, not directly accused them.

Yes, that's true.  You only agreed with other anonymous online assessments, believed false news reports that supported a viewpoint that we may be falsely accusing of you having, and repeated incorrect and discredited claims that you don't take responsibility for because you were simply repeating other people's bad journalism and made sure everyone saw it, not actually stated accusations yourself.  So yes, you're probably only guilty, per se, of muddling the situation and making things more confusing at best, and possibly of being easily influenced by a perspective that appeals to your previous experiences.
 
2013-04-18 03:04:45 PM

SultanofSchwing: mbillips: cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma wants  so badly for the suspects to be brown that his posts take up nearly half the thread.

Imagine what were to happen if the same thing were to happen to Jews. He'd go absolutely apesh*t.

Gah. Enough with the "brown" trope. Jews are exactly the same color as Arabs (and Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, etc.), ranging from ginger pale to mahogany.

What a "brown" might look like:

[img.xcitefun.org image 683x1024]

[i.imm.io image 541x810]

/Still actually kind of hot.


I'll see your MS Paint and raise you some actual Persian Gulf pr0n (maybe NSFW).

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-18 03:07:15 PM

James!: Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11

Your memory is not so good.

Link


Brilliant James!  But please, why let something as trivial as facts get in the way of Titsuma's trolling efforts??
 
2013-04-18 03:10:41 PM

Tatsuma: After I decided to leave this thread, I thought 'You know what? Maybe these people are right, in the sense that I sounded too convinced that these guys might be guilty, when I didn't think so, just that reddit made a compelling case.' I went back to reread the thread. If I was wrong, I could after all apologize.

Boobies on the topic (my 10thish in the thread), in reply to a discussion about crowdsourced forensic and discussions about the white guy

Tatsuma:So far thought I'd say the best crowsourced forensic I saw came from Reddit, where they established that this guy who is wearing a black shirt and white hat had a bag exactly where the explosion happened a few minutes before this pic was taken, then he left the bag and walked off with the guy next to him, who was later photographed next to the second explosion site without a backpack as well.

I'd say that it'd be pretty incredible if the case was cracked before we even received any word from the FBI just based on pictures from the scene on the internet

Apparently the metadata/timeline was wrong and the pic was a couple of hours before, according to some posters on this thread. Here are my other posts on the topic:

Tatsuma: They played with the colors in many of the pictures, and from different angles, and he clearly does not have a backpack anymore. Backpack which looks like the picture that was released by the FBI

Again, definitely not throwing my money on this one, just saying that they made a good case and I'll be really impressed if they cracked this before the FBI announced anything


Tatsuma: I agree, I clearly know that you can rely on bloggers and even twitter to give more accurate news than the mainstream media.

However, I saw these pictures almost 12 hours ago. To have people already establishing who was where and when based purely on pictures from the incident and being able to establish a timeline + bags after only a few hours is still pretty impressive if they end up being right.

Tatsuma: That's possible. As I said, way too early and we should wait for the FBI, but if so, they cracked the case about 12 hours ago. Really impressive.

Tatsuma: I believe that the answer to this is we are not sure that the straps actually had white stripes on them, or they were caused by the damages on the bag due to the explosion

As I said, I'm not totally convinced but they put forth a really decent case. Better than the lone guy anyway, as he only had one bag.


Tatsuma: Yeah they have a whole timeline as well, seems pretty credible. An arrest has been made, so we'll see if crowdsourcing this will actually be right!

This is hours later, after CNN discussed their pictures:

Tatsuma: CNN confirmed that the two guys I posted are considered 'persons of interests' by the FBI and apparently in that very picture (where the one backpack disappears, they are standing directly over ground zero.

This is after I heard them referred to as 'suspects', which turned out to be wrong and an idiot on tv confusing person of interest with suspect, where once again my main focus of discussion is about crowd-sourcing, not the guys themselves:

Tatsuma: Looks like the suspects were identified through crowd-sourcing merely hours after the event.

I seriously wonder if they were possibly identified by the Internet before they even were by the FBI. The FBI is powerful, but you had tens of thousands of people, if not hundreds of thousands working with every sources they could get their hands on online.

I wouldn't be surprised if they actually beat the FBI to the punch, or ended up sending them in the right direction

If I have to apologize for one thing, its for calling them suspects, and even that comes after the MSM used that word about them:

Tatsuma: Well the FBI described those two men, saying that they are in fact the prime suspects so whether these pictures were taken a couple of hours before the bomb exploded, they are seen clearly discarding a backpack exactly on ground zero, and that's what it blew up.

There I was making fun of people who assumed they were automatically guilty:

Tatsuma: First guy had loose wires coming out of his closes, and the second guy is wearing that shirt tucked in his pants.

CASE CLOSED
  
So yeah, turns out that I am vindicated by my posts in the other threads, nothing I said that was out of line or even came close to assuming that these guys were guilty. I certainly was not waving a pitchfork and torch around about them either.


Whew, conscience clear, good work. On to the next case.
 
2013-04-18 03:11:10 PM

mbillips: I'll see your MS Paint and raise you some actual Persian Gulf pr0n (maybe NSFW).


Left eye has too many blood vessels.  Would not bang.
 
2013-04-18 03:11:15 PM
www.morethings.com
 
2013-04-18 03:12:42 PM
Well, supposedly (according to the noon news on the radio today) they may release the *inhanced* photographs for the news today in hopes that someone can put names to the faces in the pictures. They have ran the pictures through law enforcement data bases and there are no matches. It will be interesting to see which pictures they are.
 
2013-04-18 03:13:18 PM

Mr Guy: No one says we don't understand that you weren't intending to push misleading information. Ok, maybe SOME people are saying that. I'm personally saying you overbit on cutting edge news, and were completely incorrect for the follow statements, even though I understand why you were mistaken in the way you were, given that the media was a hotmess:


Yes, those statements were apparently incorrect and have since then been corrected in the various time-lines and such, I was simply repeating what at the time was being said. I stated multiple times that those were based on CNN/crowd-sourced forensics and we should wait until the FBI spoke on the subject to take them as concrete, though, so even then I realized that this might very well be wrong.

Mr Guy: That's why people are convinced you fixated on their skin color, because their clothing, demeanor, and location don't actually match what we're looking for, but you kept promoting them as a likely successful identification of the suspects.


Well this is completely false and this is what I find the most insulting. I am not the one who came up with those pictures, and the FBI itself wanted to interrogate them AND I also mocked people who automatically assumed they were guilty. Literally the worst thing that I said before that was 'Well it seems to be the most compelling cased made by the internet forensic crowd'. It's insulting to be called a racist where there is not a single whiff of racism anywhere there.

I have been posting on this website for almost 10 years with the same username (can't remember the username I was using before that, very few posts and forgot the password, which lead to this one).

To all those who accused me of racism, I've asked to bring me a single example of racist things I've said and I would personally asked to be permabanned if that was the case. I brought this up hundreds of time, and no one ever produced a single quote of me saying something racist.

It's these bullshiat accusations (not just against me, mind you, but everyone who was saying that the crowd-sourced forensic toward those two seemed compelling, which includes the friggin MSM) that piss me off.
 
2013-04-18 03:13:28 PM
006deluxe:  Mr Guy: Tatsuma: I said that the crowd-sourced made a compelling case for them, and that's about it
You're technically correct, and that's the best kind of correct legally.
Tatsuma: I am not sure what I should be apologizing for.
Well, you could start by saying you may have jumped to conclusions when you kept posting images a guy standing around in a crowd having clearly left his backpack at the scene of the detonation when he was A) not wearing what the FBI said the suspect was wearing B) not moving quickly through the crowd to place the first bag and move to the second location, as the FBI describe the video, and C) still holding the backpack in front of him in the last shots of him, disputably.
You asked why you got stuck in the center of the controversy, but you know exactly why.  It's for not letting go of these guys as likely based on crowd sourcing when it should have started to become obvious they weren't wearing the right thing, or doing the behaviors we're looking for, since literally the only solid thing the FBI has told us about the Lord and Taylor is the bomber came to the first detonation site, planted it, and left immediately.  These guys aren't doing that, aren't wearing the right color clothes, and were only ID'd by the media as suspect because people like the Reddit crowd and you kept insisting it was conclusive that they were in the right place (which they weren't) and with the right kind of bag (which they didn't seem to have) that they left it (which they didn't seem to), and that the FBI was looking for them (which they aren't).
We're mocking you for the same reason we mocked CNN.  You reported other people's incorrect claims loudly and repeatedly, and feel like it's sufficient to cover your conscious that you were merely repeating the words of others.
I believe his words in the thread yesterday were "Case Closed" in regards to these two young men.

Not amused
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-18 03:14:11 PM

Tatsuma: Again, definitely not throwing my money on this one, just saying that they made a good case


Yeah, you saying they "made a good case" because it confirmed your prejudice clearly isn't pitchfork-waving or anything.
 
2013-04-18 03:14:17 PM
if you are going to bomb the boston marathon, you don't stop for a photo opp:

http://www.reddit.com/r/findbostonbombers/comments/1cl3cj/blue_track su it_guy_identifiedends_up_being_a/
 
2013-04-18 03:14:21 PM

Tommy Moo: ruta: When did the FBI ask the armchair detectives to comb through the instagram evidence and identify suspects?

Immediately after the event. It was one of the first public statements they issued.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/203171481.html?refer=y


FTFA: Law enforcement agencies pleaded Tuesday for the public to come forward with photos, videos or any information that might help them solve the twin bombings that killed three people and wounded more than 170 a day earlier.

That's a request for information to be delivered to law enforcement agencies, not a deputization of every wanker with a connection to the internet to become Junior FBI Agents, comb through photos, circle their own suspects of choice and then share their "evidence" on social media so the poor saps covered in MS Paint arrows can be tried and lynched in the court of public outrage.
 
2013-04-18 03:15:18 PM

Tatsuma: Well this is completely false and this is what I find the most insulting. I am not the one who came up with those pictures


You're the one who said that the pictures confirmed what the FBI was looking for, when it is demonstrably true that it isn't.
 
2013-04-18 03:17:24 PM

Tatsuma: How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.


Now, if you suggest to Tatsuma that the guys in the photo could be Sephardic Jews, he will not react very kindly.

Even though it doesn't matter what the race, color or creed of the suspected bomber(s) is (are).
 
2013-04-18 03:17:50 PM

wingnut396: darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.

Heh...

Wearing unit hats and fatigue style cargo pants is a hell of a way to stay undercover.  Further, one thing SEALs are sure not know for is physical fitness and the desire to excel at personal fitness challenges.  I can assure they also never run in a world class marathon or support their friends or teammates that would never run in such an event.


But that is not as much fun and creative.
 
2013-04-18 03:20:01 PM
www.shape.com

the guy with the red and white stripes appears to have a black backpack.
 
2013-04-18 03:21:29 PM

Tatsuma: Not point defending yourself and pointing out where you're being misquoted/not even quoted when accused when you've always been convicted in the eyes of some. Well played, internet & irony of life. Over and out.


i.imgur.com

Tatsuma: After I decided to leave this thread, I thought 'You know what? Maybe these people are right, in the sense that I sounded too convinced that these guys might be guilty, when I didn't think so, just that reddit made a compelling case.' I went back to reread the thread. If I was wrong, I could after all apologize.


FFS, THE THREAD ISN'T ABOUT YOU.
 
2013-04-18 03:23:20 PM

Maud Dib: Aarontology: Tatsuma: , America will once again stand united and proud and reject hatred for whatever group the attackers belonged to,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Woulda been better with a sparkly eagle.

[media.tumblr.com image 247x270]


Oh I am stealing that.
 
2013-04-18 03:23:51 PM
A good rule of thumb is to just wait for the FBI press conference in which they divulge what information they're able to release without compromising a fair trial, but I'm kind of old fashioned that way.  I don't want to hear about high level sources blah blah blah.
 
2013-04-18 03:24:10 PM
Why would a guy who's about to drop off a bomb in a backpack have other supplies stored in the side pocket? Seems like something you would only do if you were planning on wearing the backpack all day, and not just carrying it to a bomb site and ditching it. It's almost as if, oh I don't know, there was no bomb in that guy's backpack at all, and he was just out enjoying the day with everybody else and had extra stuff with him in case he needed it.
 
2013-04-18 03:24:28 PM

hobnail: Giltric: darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.

Another group is claiming Chris Kyle faked his death and those are all people from Craft International or something.

Hey, to continue a conversation that we started yesterday about those two...
I don't think they're undercover anything.  They could be security, but I think they would be either much more or much less obvious.    I mean, yes, UCs tend to stick out, but they stick out because they're trying to be subtle and failing.

Anyway, maybe they were watching the race?  There's a photo where they're both on their phones (with backpacks intact) and it appears to have been taken after the explosions.  If they were working I would expect to see them tending to the wounded.  If they were perps, they wouldn't still have their backpacks.


Could be a backpack full of radiation detection equipment....could be any number of groups they might belong to.
 
2013-04-18 03:27:07 PM
Is this thread a scandal yet?
 
2013-04-18 03:27:13 PM

Tatsuma: I stated multiple times that those were based on CNN/crowd-sourced forensics and we should wait until the FBI spoke on the subject to take them as concrete, though, so even then I realized that this might very well be wrong, so in light of that, I apologize for repeating these incorrect claims, because we should know better than to take instant reports at face value, especially given the level of effort I have put into correcting biased reporting during conflicts in the Middle East.


Tatsuma: Literally the worst thing that I said before that was 'Well it seems to be the most compelling cased made by the internet forensic crowd'. It's insulting to be called a racist where there is not a single whiff of racism anywhere there.


You've got a right to be offended for being accused of racism.  I was trying to be careful not to make that mistake, although I think you are stripping your own quotes out of the context of the overall narrative.  You are right, you were careful to report everything second hand.  The impression we've all gotten is that you were also careful to bring those claims up quickly over, and over again, after people pointed out discrepancies between the individuals you were posting and the individuals being looked for.  At that point, people used their own stereotyping to decide your apparent eagerness to believe the crowd sourcing was racially motivated.  I agree that's not fair to you.

If it turns out these guys were even remotely involved, I'll be more than happy to publicly apologize for calling you out.
 
2013-04-18 03:27:24 PM
static.prisonplanet.com

Obviously that's The Punisher.

images.huffingtonpost.com
 
2013-04-18 03:29:23 PM

Ker_Thwap: A good rule of thumb is to just wait for the FBI press conference in which they divulge what information they're able to release without compromising a fair trial, but I'm kind of old fashioned that way.  I don't want to hear about high level sources blah blah blah.


It's one thing to share tips with the authorities.

It's quite another to go online and try to convince everyone else that your analysis is top-notch, confirmed and "case closed."
 
2013-04-18 03:30:16 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Why would a guy who's about to drop off a bomb in a backpack have other supplies stored in the side pocket? Seems like something you would only do if you were planning on wearing the backpack all day, and not just carrying it to a bomb site and ditching it. It's almost as if, oh I don't know, there was no bomb in that guy's backpack at all, and he was just out enjoying the day with everybody else and had extra stuff with him in case he needed it.


At least one thing in Israel that terrorists who commit suicide bombings are told is to do their best to blend in, whether it is to try and appear Israeli, appear as a tourist, etc... There have been very famous cases of, for example, a terrorist dressing himself as an ultra-Orthodox Jew and blowing himself up in an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood, dressing up as American/British tourists, another famous case is a woman who, pre-bombing, always wore a burqa, but when she went on her suicide mission, she dressed in very Western, very tight American clothes with a back pack and blew herself up in the middle of a restaurant.

This is not just in Israel, though, that's what happens in Afghanistan and Iraq as well, where they try to blend in with the locals/security forces in order to kill as mnay people as possible.

So when the pictures of the actual terrorists who committed this atrocious act come out, I wouldn't be surprised if they are dressed as runners, hauling around running gear. In fact, I'd be surprised if they are not dressed like that.

This is why the people going 'SEE FALSE FLAG!!' are retarded, why on earth would a couple of SEALS about to pull off a false flag attack wear friggin SEAL clothes/insignia and visible ear pieces?
 
2013-04-18 03:30:17 PM
I guess we'll just hope it's a white guy like Salon says. (Also for the record: The Boston Herald is a tabloid newspaper in Boston and they lean right. The other paper here is the Boston Globe which leans left. A couple if years ago the Globe was going bankrupt and the Dems in MA all got together and "saved" the paper. You can trash the Herald if you want, but it's also good to point out that the Globe has zero journalistic integrity and took money from the people they were supposed to be reporting on.)
 
2013-04-18 03:30:23 PM
Quick reminder folks: Do not post personal or private information about anyone no matter how easy it is to find on the internet.

Let's feed the beast as little as humanly possible.
 
2013-04-18 03:31:03 PM
Tatsuma: ...Literally the worst thing that I said before that was 'Well it seems to be the most compelling case made by the internet forensic crowd'. It's insulting to be called a racist where there is not a single whiff of racism anywhere there.

I have been posting on this website for almost 10 years with the same username (can't remember the username I was using before that, very few posts and forgot the password, which lead to this one).

To all those who accused me of racism, I've asked to bring me a single example of racist things I've said and I would personally asked to be permabanned if that was the case. I brought this up hundreds of time, and no one ever produced a single quote of me saying something racist.

It's these bullshiat accusations (no ...


Why does this bit matter? Why even bring it up?

Also, you seem to be promoting one side over another("they certainly seem like suspects. They have backpacks, and then don't!"), and being snarky to people who say "THEY DID IT!!1!" does not count as refutation. It counts as "ad hominem", which is a flawed debate tactic.
Just because you're snarky to them, doesn't mean you don't agree with their opinion. You could, even though you used a different method to reach the same conclusion.

For example, CC1984 constantly is snarky to me, though we share many of the same ethics and social mores, just because we either misinterpret what the other is saying, or one of our reasoning methods are flawed.

Also, if you get miffed by someone calling you "__ist" on Fark, tres fark do you think you are? Coddle City?
 
2013-04-18 03:33:05 PM

Mr Guy: If it turns out these guys were even remotely involved, I'll be more than happy to publicly apologize for calling you out.


Cheers.

And yeah the accusations or racism are just grating, because a lot of them seem to be based on 'Well this guy is an Orthodox Jew and he chose to live in Israel/Judea & Samaria, therefore he HAS to be a racist'. Which, in itself, is really racist.

Corvus: Obviously that's The Punisher.


and he loves to blow shiat up. However, to determine his guilt...

Is he a Tea Partier?
 
2013-04-18 03:33:09 PM
I think we can all agree that the New York Post made a mistake in putting a photo of Tatsuma on their front page when the FBI had already cleared him.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:46 PM

Mr Guy: Tatsuma: I stated multiple times that those were based on CNN/crowd-sourced forensics and we should wait until the FBI spoke on the subject to take them as concrete, though, so even then I realized that this might very well be wrong, so in light of that, I apologize for repeating these incorrect claims, because we should know better than to take instant reports at face value, especially given the level of effort I have put into correcting biased reporting during conflicts in the Middle East.

Tatsuma: Literally the worst thing that I said before that was 'Well it seems to be the most compelling cased made by the internet forensic crowd'. It's insulting to be called a racist where there is not a single whiff of racism anywhere there.

You've got a right to be offended for being accused of racism.  I was trying to be careful not to make that mistake, although I think you are stripping your own quotes out of the context of the overall narrative.  You are right, you were careful to report everything second hand.  The impression we've all gotten is that you were also careful to bring those claims up quickly over, and over again, after people pointed out discrepancies between the individuals you were posting and the individuals being looked for.  At that point, people used their own stereotyping to decide your apparent eagerness to believe the crowd sourcing was racially motivated.  I agree that's not fair to you.

If it turns out these guys were even remotely involved, I'll be more than happy to publicly apologize for calling you out.


When he said yesterday that he wasn't claiming they were Muslims, I suggested that they could be Sephardic Jews.

His response was to flip out and declare that I was added to his ignore list.

So that should help you deduce his motivations.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:50 PM

Moderator: Quick reminder folks: Do not post personal or private information about anyone no matter how easy it is to find on the internet.

Let's feed the beast as little as humanly possible.


Sorry.  My bad.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:52 PM

Moderator: Let's feed the beast as little as humanly possible.


There were three private pictures of those two posted toward the end of the other thread, you might want to delete those, even though they do not include names.

Can't seem to copy the HTML though for some reasons
 
2013-04-18 03:35:49 PM
ctrl-f "case closed" on the second page, they should be right above my post, moderator
 
2013-04-18 03:41:44 PM

wingnut396: darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.

Heh...

Wearing unit hats and fatigue style cargo pants is a hell of a way to stay undercover.  Further, one thing SEALs are sure not know for is physical fitness and the desire to excel at personal fitness challenges.  I can assure they also never run in a world class marathon or support their friends or teammates that would never run in such an event.


and we all know that when military folks are off duty to support friends or teammates in a civilian event like a marathon, they always like to wear combat boots and fatigues.  cause it's so comfy.

/the radio earpiece is of course plugged into their i-phones & they are just rocking out
//nothing to see here
 
2013-04-18 03:42:36 PM

inner ted: wingnut396: darth_badger: [static.prisonplanet.com image 583x1024]

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

[static.infowars.com image 600x337]

Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

Just thought I'd throw that in the mix too.

Heh...

Wearing unit hats and fatigue style cargo pants is a hell of a way to stay undercover.  Further, one thing SEALs are sure not know for is physical fitness and the desire to excel at personal fitness challenges.  I can assure they also never run in a world class marathon or support their friends or teammates that would never run in such an event.

and we all know that when military folks are off duty to support friends or teammates in a civilian event like a marathon, they always like to wear combat boots and fatigues.  cause it's so comfy.

/the radio earpiece is of course plugged into their i-phones & they are just rocking out
//nothing to see here


9/10
 
2013-04-18 03:43:09 PM

Tatsuma: Mr Guy: If it turns out these guys were even remotely involved, I'll be more than happy to publicly apologize for calling you out.

Cheers.

And yeah the accusations or racism are just grating, because a lot of them seem to be based on 'Well this guy is an Orthodox Jew and he chose to live in Israel/Judea & Samaria, therefore he HAS to be a racist'. Which, in itself, is really racist.


I been accused of delusionally thinking the best of people, but I sincerely think people were looking for a reason why you couldn't be dissuaded that these guys weren't dressed the same or looked particularly suspicious, so they picked out the jew/arab angle and given who you are, it's not hard to apply.  I don't think anyone outside the usual loudmouths were attacking you immediately, but there's a definite shift as more evidence came out that made us start to feel very defensive towards these guys as additional victims of the mass media, rather than terrorists.

While I'm not thrilled with people attacking you overtly, I AM a little proud of how defensively people are swarming towards these wrong-place-wrong-skin-color kids and DEMANDING that they be treated fairly, openly, and transparently.  It DOES warm my heart a little how quickly the reactions turned toward protecting people from false accusations from the initial reaction of blame everyone.  We identified these kids as OUR guys, track stars at a local school, and we will NOT let them be turned in stereotype dark skin kid that can be targeted for retaliation.  I'm honestly sorry you got caught in the brunt of that momma-bear reflex.
 
2013-04-18 03:43:47 PM
i.huffpost.com
www.rawstory.com
 
2013-04-18 03:44:24 PM

Tatsuma: ctrl-f "case closed" on the second page, they should be right above my post, moderator


Is it bad that when you posted that the other day, I was halfway tempted to make a macro about posting things sarcastically that will come back to bite you in the ass because people unfairly think you actually are that bad?
 
2013-04-18 03:47:54 PM

Tatsuma: How did these two end up with their brown faces splashed all over the world? Do we even need to ask?

Apparently we need to, because you seem to think it was based in racism: it was not. It was based on where they were and what they were doing and the fact they appeared to be leaving a bag exactly at the spot where the explosion happened.

Another of the suspects identified by Reddit looks like he's a white male in his 50s. Once again, this has nothing to do with color, race or religion, only with suspicious behavior, standing very near to where the bombs went off, and carrying bags.


Yeah, but funny which single photo the Post decided to put on the front page.
 
2013-04-18 03:48:48 PM

James!: Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11

Your memory is not so good.

Link



• Sept. 14, 2002 - Sterling, Virginia
Swastikas and ethnic slurs were spray-painted on a Muslim community center.

Maybe the perp thought it was a synagogue
 
2013-04-18 03:51:58 PM

Mr Guy: Is it bad that when you posted that the other day, I was halfway tempted to make a macro about posting things sarcastically that will come back to bite you in the ass because people unfairly think you actually are that bad?


Yeah I can appreciate the irony of me making a sarcastic comment mocking people who were assuming that these guys were guilty based on a couple of pictures and their skins being a couple of shades browner than the average bostonian, and then people using half of that statement in order to accuse me and assume I'm a racist by quoting it completely out of context when I was in fact saying the very opposite.

Far from the first time it happens, too.
 
2013-04-18 03:53:23 PM

RexTalionis: Tatsuma: I said 'violent attacks' in the aftermath of 9/11 (meaning immediately following it, and in relation to it). That link goes all the way to 2011, and the vast majority of these items (as bad as they all are!) are not related to what I was talking about.

Three men were shot, and another three were assaulted for sure in the two months after 9/11 (and a smattering of other types of hate crimes)

[ww3.hdnux.com image 497x471]

Can someone post this for Tatsuma? He has me on ignore.



What are the numbers for 2002? And are Jews still in the lead with at least double the incidents?
 
2013-04-18 03:54:09 PM

Mr Guy: I'm honestly sorry you got caught in the brunt of that momma-bear reflex.


why? vigiliantes reap what they sow. they're nearly as bad as the perpetrators of these events. there's a reason richard jewel's name keeps coming up in these threads. i have no sympathy for someone who tries to ruin lives with no proof and faces backlash.
 
2013-04-18 03:54:15 PM

Tatsuma: After I decided to leave this thread... blah blah blah... wall of post.


Have you considered shutting the hell up?  Just once?
 
2013-04-18 03:54:23 PM

Tatsuma: So when the pictures of the actual terrorists who committed this atrocious act come out, I wouldn't be surprised if they are dressed as runners, hauling around running gear. In fact, I'd be surprised if they are not dressed like that.


I would be you one dollar the individual or individuals were not dressed anything like a runner hauling around running gear.

/criminals - in general - are rather stupid people
//so are people who are armchair quarterbacking this investigation
 
2013-04-18 03:57:22 PM

give me doughnuts: James!: Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11

Your memory is not so good.

Link


• Sept. 14, 2002 - Sterling, Virginia
Swastikas and ethnic slurs were spray-painted on a Muslim community center.

Maybe the perp thought it was a synagogue


People who hate aren't great at differentiating.
 
2013-04-18 03:58:21 PM
www.movieactors.com
Absence of Malice.
 
2013-04-18 04:01:01 PM

Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11. Stop acting like white people are just itching for a reason to conduct public lynchings, that's pretty racist in itself.


Here's three by one guy.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/20/texas.execution/index.html

Texas inmate Mark Anthony Stroman was executed Wednesday night for killing a man from India during series of revenge shootings after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001.

Stroman was put to death at 9:53 p.m. ET, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice said.
The U.S. Supreme Court denied a stay of execution for Stroman last month, and his supporters -- including a survivor of one of the shootings attributed to him -- urged Gov. Rick Perry and the state Board of Pardons and Parole to grant clemency. The state Criminal Appeals Court denied his last appeal on Wednesday.

Stroman, 41, made national headlines after he fatally shot Vasudev Patel during a shooting rampage after the 9/11 attacks. An admitted white supremacist, Stroman targeted those he believed were Middle Eastern, in revenge for the attacks.

A Pakistani man, Waqar Hasan, was also murdered, and a Bangladeshi man, Rais Bhuiyan, was seriously wounded.


Hate crimes that don't actually target your hated group doesn't let you off the hook.
 
2013-04-18 04:08:37 PM

tlchwi02: Mr Guy: I'm honestly sorry you got caught in the brunt of that momma-bear reflex.

why? vigiliantes reap what they sow. they're nearly as bad as the perpetrators of these events. there's a reason richard jewel's name keeps coming up in these threads. i have no sympathy for someone who tries to ruin lives with no proof and faces backlash.


Bluntly, because I'm trying to be a good person, and I don't like it when anyone is unfairly accused.  I think the more people who feel obligated to care for everyone being unfairly accused, the better off we're all going to be.  I defend Tatsuma's right to be mistaken with good intentions, unless proven otherwise, exactly as vehemently as I defend sunglasses boy in the white hat and track boy.
 
2013-04-18 04:09:42 PM
"i'm did not do anything"

p.h.d., oscar gamble school of grammar
 
2013-04-18 04:13:09 PM

Tatsuma: Mr Guy: Is it bad that when you posted that the other day, I was halfway tempted to make a macro about posting things sarcastically that will come back to bite you in the ass because people unfairly think you actually are that bad?

Yeah I can appreciate the irony of me making a sarcastic comment mocking people who were assuming that these guys were guilty based on a couple of pictures and their skins being a couple of shades browner than the average bostonian, and then people using half of that statement in order to accuse me and assume I'm a racist by quoting it completely out of context when I was in fact saying the very opposite.

Far from the first time it happens, too.


Why did my apology to Tats get nerfed?
 
2013-04-18 04:13:30 PM
CNN breaking news on their site saying two people in photos being passed around are not of high interest. You know you're a shiat news org when even CNN is like "Dude..."
 
2013-04-18 04:15:28 PM

Mr Guy: Bluntly, because I'm trying to be a good person, and I don't like it when anyone is unfairly accused. I think the more people who feel obligated to care for everyone being unfairly accused, the better off we're all going to be. I defend Tatsuma's right to be mistaken with good intentions, unless proven otherwise, exactly as vehemently as I defend sunglasses boy in the white hat and track boy.


there's nothing "good intentioned" about dragging some poor innocent kid through the mud without a scrap of reason or evidence and accusing them anonymously of a heinous crime like a dirty coward. i don't care if its because he's a racist, a fool or just a run of the mill scumbag. he's getting far less than what he deserves when people boo him.
 
2013-04-18 04:17:57 PM

James!: give me doughnuts: James!: Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11

Your memory is not so good.

Link


• Sept. 14, 2002 - Sterling, Virginia
Swastikas and ethnic slurs were spray-painted on a Muslim community center.

Maybe the perp thought it was a synagogue

People who hate aren't great at differentiating.



Like the moran who shot up a Sikh temple. Or who knows, maybe the guy really hated dudes with long hair.


From NCIC stats 2002:

Anti-Jewish incidents  - 931
Anti-Muslim incidents - 155

2004:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 954
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

2006:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 967
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.
 
2013-04-18 04:18:08 PM

rufus-t-firefly: His response was to flip out and declare that I was added to his ignore list.


I apparently joined that club today. Is there a badge for it?
 
2013-04-18 04:20:58 PM

give me doughnuts: James!: give me doughnuts: James!: Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11

Your memory is not so good.

Link


• Sept. 14, 2002 - Sterling, Virginia
Swastikas and ethnic slurs were spray-painted on a Muslim community center.

Maybe the perp thought it was a synagogue

People who hate aren't great at differentiating.


Like the moran who shot up a Sikh temple. Or who knows, maybe the guy really hated dudes with long hair.


From NCIC stats 2002:

Anti-Jewish incidents  - 931
Anti-Muslim incidents - 155

2004:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 954
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

2006:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 967
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.


Let me know when the entire country loses it's shiat over the building of a synagogue.
 
2013-04-18 04:23:35 PM
Of course, the same souce has the following numbers for 1996:
Anti-Jewish incidents - 1109
Anti-Muslim incidents - 27

Seems that 9/11 caused a 140 or so shiatheads to switch from hating Jews to hating Muslims.
That's one of the problems with the world today: No loyalty.
 
2013-04-18 04:25:09 PM

James!: give me doughnuts: James!: give me doughnuts: James!: Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11

Your memory is not so good.

Link


• Sept. 14, 2002 - Sterling, Virginia
Swastikas and ethnic slurs were spray-painted on a Muslim community center.

Maybe the perp thought it was a synagogue

People who hate aren't great at differentiating.


Like the moran who shot up a Sikh temple. Or who knows, maybe the guy really hated dudes with long hair.


From NCIC stats 2002:

Anti-Jewish incidents  - 931
Anti-Muslim incidents - 155

2004:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 954
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

2006:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 967
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

Let me know when the entire country loses it's shiat over the building of a synagogue.



Let me know when more than a couple hundred lose it over the building of a mosque. "Entire country" hyperbole much?
 
2013-04-18 04:29:51 PM

give me doughnuts: The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.


I've read an article from Human Rights First that claims that because Muslim families tend to be recent immigrants, the number of reported Anti-Muslim incidents tend to be heavily under-reported or under-recorded. The Human Rights First Article also asserted that some estimates pegged the number of actual incidents to be something like 20 incidents for each reported incident.
 
2013-04-18 04:30:18 PM

give me doughnuts: James!: give me doughnuts: James!: give me doughnuts: James!: Tatsuma: This is bullshiat, as far as I can remember you had a huge total of two violent attacks on minorities in the aftermath of 9/11

Your memory is not so good.

Link


• Sept. 14, 2002 - Sterling, Virginia
Swastikas and ethnic slurs were spray-painted on a Muslim community center.

Maybe the perp thought it was a synagogue

People who hate aren't great at differentiating.


Like the moran who shot up a Sikh temple. Or who knows, maybe the guy really hated dudes with long hair.


From NCIC stats 2002:

Anti-Jewish incidents  - 931
Anti-Muslim incidents - 155

2004:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 954
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

2006:

Anti-Jewish incidents - 967
Anti-Muslim incidents - 156

The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

Let me know when the entire country loses it's shiat over the building of a synagogue.


Let me know when more than a couple hundred lose it over the building of a mosque. "Entire country" hyperbole much?


Ground Zero Mosque already drop out of your memory?
 
2013-04-18 04:33:44 PM

RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

I've read an article from Human Rights First that claims that because Muslim families tend to be recent immigrants, the number of reported Anti-Muslim incidents tend to be heavily under-reported or under-recorded. The Human Rights First Article also asserted that some estimates pegged the number of actual incidents to be something like 20 incidents for each reported incident.


Oh, wait, it wasn't Human Rights First, although I did find a link from Human Rights First that stated that incidents of hate crimes against Muslims were highly under-reported globally (though did not break out numbers for the US).

Here's the link:
http://www.stwnewspress.com/local/x1049391265/Sociologist-says-hate- cr imes-toward-Muslims-have-increased-since-Sept-11-2001

"The number of reported crimes also shows that the numbers have stayed elevated in the years to follow. From 1992 to 2000, one anti-Muslim hate crime was reported every 15 days. From 2002 to 2009, that rate has stayed steady at one every three days.

"9/11 had had a lasting effect," Peek said. "This really is the new normal."

Another disturbing trend, she said, is that hate crimes are typically underreported, particularly among immigrant communities. Peek said some estimates put the number as high as 20 to 30 actual hate crimes occur for every one reported."
 
2013-04-18 04:34:22 PM

Mr Guy: Tatsuma: I stated multiple times that those were based on CNN/crowd-sourced forensics and we should wait until the FBI spoke on the subject to take them as concrete, though, so even then I realized that this might very well be wrong, so in light of that, I apologize for repeating these incorrect claims, because we should know better than to take instant reports at face value, especially given the level of effort I have put into correcting biased reporting during conflicts in the Middle East.

Tatsuma: Literally the worst thing that I said before that was 'Well it seems to be the most compelling cased made by the internet forensic crowd'. It's insulting to be called a racist where there is not a single whiff of racism anywhere there.

You've got a right to be offended for being accused of racism.  I was trying to be careful not to make that mistake, although I think you are stripping your own quotes out of the context of the overall narrative.  You are right, you were careful to report everything second hand.  The impression we've all gotten is that you were also careful to bring those claims up quickly over, and over again, after people pointed out discrepancies between the individuals you were posting and the individuals being looked for.  At that point, people used their own stereotyping to decide your apparent eagerness to believe the crowd sourcing was racially motivated.  I agree that's not fair to you.

If it turns out these guys were even remotely involved, I'll be more than happy to publicly apologize for calling you out.


Nope, the NY Post is backing off. I wonder if they will publish a retraction on the front page tomorrow? hahahaha, I kill me.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/investigators_determine_marath on _Pu15seYXiNS1fIyqbRWlLK
 
2013-04-18 04:35:50 PM

James!: Ground Zero Mosque already drop out of your memory?


Like I said: Hyperbole much? Were there any more than a few hundred people who "lost their shiat" over the community center that never even got built?


RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

I've read an article from Human Rights First that claims that because Muslim families tend to be recent immigrants, the number of reported Anti-Muslim incidents tend to be heavily under-reported or under-recorded. The Human Rights First Article also asserted that some estimates pegged the number of actual incidents to be something like 20 incidents for each reported incident.


I'm going to stick with actual numbers of reported and investigated incidents rather than some group that says, "...but the real numbers are much higher."
 
2013-04-18 04:37:53 PM
Even their "they've been cleared" is bullshiat. "2 men probed by Feds"? They'd better have some damn good proof that these 2 were ever "probed". They weren't. They were suspects on 4chan, which as far as I know is not a part of the FBI.

Somebody needs to get frickin sued. Libel laws don't protect against malicious lies, and being on a public street does not make one a "public figure".
 
2013-04-18 04:40:01 PM

give me doughnuts: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

I've read an article from Human Rights First that claims that because Muslim families tend to be recent immigrants, the number of reported Anti-Muslim incidents tend to be heavily under-reported or under-recorded. The Human Rights First Article also asserted that some estimates pegged the number of actual incidents to be something like 20 incidents for each reported incident.

I'm going to stick with actual numbers of reported and investigated incidents rather than some group that says, "...but the real numbers are much higher."


According to DOJ research, the FBI's official numbers aren't even all that reliable to begin with.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all -i ssues/2005/winter/hate-crime#.UXBZ10rya_c

"The real number of hate crimes in the United States is more than 15 times higher than FBI statistics reflect, according to a stunning new government report.

Hate crime statistics published by the FBI since 1992, based on voluntary reports from law enforcement agencies around the country, have shown annual totals of about 6,000 to 10,000, depending on the year. But the new report, "Hate Crimes Reported by Victims and Police," found an average annual total of 191,000 hate crimes. That means the real level of hate crime runs between 19 and 31 times higher than the numbers that have been officially reported for almost 15 years."
 
2013-04-18 04:40:26 PM

give me doughnuts: Like I said: Hyperbole much? Were there any more than a few hundred people who "lost their shiat" over the community center that never even got built?


According to a new TIME poll, 61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project, compared with 26% who support it.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html#ixzz2Q q jZwJik
 
2013-04-18 04:45:04 PM

RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

I've read an article from Human Rights First that claims that because Muslim families tend to be recent immigrants, the number of reported Anti-Muslim incidents tend to be heavily under-reported or under-recorded. The Human Rights First Article also asserted that some estimates pegged the number of actual incidents to be something like 20 incidents for each reported incident.

I'm going to stick with actual numbers of reported and investigated incidents rather than some group that says, "...but the real numbers are much higher."

According to DOJ research, the FBI's official numbers aren't even all that reliable to begin with.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all -i ssues/2005/winter/hate-crime#.UXBZ10rya_c

"The real number of hate crimes in the United States is more than 15 times higher than FBI statistics reflect, according to a stunning new government report.

Hate crime statistics published by the FBI since 1992, based on voluntary reports from law enforcement agencies around the country, have shown annual totals of about 6,000 to 10,000, depending on the year. But the new report, "Hate Crimes Reported by Victims and Police," found an average annual total of 191,000 hate crimes. That means the real level of hate crime runs between 19 and 31 times higher than the numbers that have been officially reported for almost 15 years."



Do you have a link to the report? The SPLC's press release didn't have one.
 
2013-04-18 04:45:58 PM

give me doughnuts: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

I've read an article from Human Rights First that claims that because Muslim families tend to be recent immigrants, the number of reported Anti-Muslim incidents tend to be heavily under-reported or under-recorded. The Human Rights First Article also asserted that some estimates pegged the number of actual incidents to be something like 20 incidents for each reported incident.

I'm going to stick with actual numbers of reported and investigated incidents rather than some group that says, "...but the real numbers are much higher."

According to DOJ research, the FBI's official numbers aren't even all that reliable to begin with.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all -i ssues/2005/winter/hate-crime#.UXBZ10rya_c

"The real number of hate crimes in the United States is more than 15 times higher than FBI statistics reflect, according to a stunning new government report.

Hate crime statistics published by the FBI since 1992, based on voluntary reports from law enforcement agencies around the country, have shown annual totals of about 6,000 to 10,000, depending on the year. But the new report, "Hate Crimes Reported by Victims and Police," found an average annual total of 191,000 hate crimes. That means the real level of hate crime runs between 19 and 31 times higher than the numbers that have been officially reported for almost 15 years."


Do you have a link to the report? The SPLC's press release didn't have one.


http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

Here you go, straight from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
 
2013-04-18 04:51:13 PM

12349876: give me doughnuts: Like I said: Hyperbole much? Were there any more than a few hundred people who "lost their shiat" over the community center that never even got built?

According to a new TIME poll, 61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project, compared with 26% who support it.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html#ixzz2Q q jZwJik


I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one. I was mildly irked for a brief period when those plans were carried out.

To you, I guess that means I "lost my shiat" over the matter.
 
2013-04-18 04:53:49 PM

give me doughnuts: I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one.


So you opposed plans that never existed?
 
2013-04-18 04:56:55 PM
So give me doughnuts is the relief pitcher for Tatsuma?
 
2013-04-18 04:58:29 PM

mekki: YodaBlues: The description they had been releasing all day yesterday and still today is two guys, one of which was wearing a backwards white cap, gray/light-colored hoodie, black bag and white.

Does anyone have a pic of whom the FBI are talking about? With all of those photos out there, you would think someone would have posted it on Fark about now.


No idea if this is him (probably just another random innocent dude), but at least he has a backwards white cap, unlike the guy in the NYP pics... Stolen from MaliFinn in one of yesterday's threads:

i208.photobucket.com

/One of his later images was far funnier, though:

i208.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-18 04:58:43 PM

RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: RexTalionis: give me doughnuts: The anti-Muslim sentiment spiked after 9/11 and then settled down, the anti-Jewish bias remains pretty steady at about 6:1.

I've read an article from Human Rights First that claims that because Muslim families tend to be recent immigrants, the number of reported Anti-Muslim incidents tend to be heavily under-reported or under-recorded. The Human Rights First Article also asserted that some estimates pegged the number of actual incidents to be something like 20 incidents for each reported incident.

I'm going to stick with actual numbers of reported and investigated incidents rather than some group that says, "...but the real numbers are much higher."

According to DOJ research, the FBI's official numbers aren't even all that reliable to begin with.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all -i ssues/2005/winter/hate-crime#.UXBZ10rya_c

"The real number of hate crimes in the United States is more than 15 times higher than FBI statistics reflect, according to a stunning new government report.

Hate crime statistics published by the FBI since 1992, based on voluntary reports from law enforcement agencies around the country, have shown annual totals of about 6,000 to 10,000, depending on the year. But the new report, "Hate Crimes Reported by Victims and Police," found an average annual total of 191,000 hate crimes. That means the real level of hate crime runs between 19 and 31 times higher than the numbers that have been officially reported for almost 15 years."


Do you have a link to the report? The SPLC's press release didn't have one.

http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/hcrvp.pdf

Here you go, straight from the Bureau of Justice Statistics.


Rats. No breakdown of the major groupings.
So I guess I'll just multiply all the numbers from the NCIC by 15. It doesn't change the ratios.
 
2013-04-18 04:59:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one.

So you opposed plans that never existed?


Sense: you made none.
 
2013-04-18 05:00:22 PM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com
 
2013-04-18 05:00:27 PM

Tatsuma: And yeah the accusations or racism are just grating, because a lot of them seem to be based on 'Well this guy is an Orthodox Jew and he chose to live in Israel/Judea & Samaria, therefore he HAS to be a racist'.


Judea and Samaria, eh? Better tune that dog whistle, it's getting pretty audible.
 
2013-04-18 05:03:42 PM

Mr Guy: I been accused of delusionally thinking the best of people, but I sincerely think people were looking for a reason why you couldn't be dissuaded that these guys weren't dressed the same or looked particularly suspicious, so they picked out the jew/arab angle and given who you are, it's not hard to apply.


It's possible to be racist without being overt about it. One might, for example, post links to court cases in which black people were convicted of violent crimes and never post links to cases involving white people: nothing untrue, but a definite bias in overall effect. Or, for example, one might seize every opportunity to post accounts of violence by Muslims, or to report suspicions of Muslims, however ill founded, in an attempt to whip up fear and hatred without actually lying or using racist language.
 
2013-04-18 05:06:25 PM

give me doughnuts: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one.

So you opposed plans that never existed?

Sense: you made none.


Well for one your "aesthetically pleasing building" was a drab 4 story Burlington Coat Factory.
 
2013-04-18 05:07:25 PM

RexTalionis: Tatsuma: They are most assuredly innocent.

I'm sorry, how does he know that?

Statements from the investigators, and the fact that they aren't carrying bags that are similar to the ones recovered from the bombing.

Tatsuma: The pair show up in multiple photos of the finish line. They carry large bags. They are dark-skinned. This was enough for internet sleuths to peg them as suspicious.

No, it's the fact that they were standing literally over the spot where the bomb exploded, and it clearly appears from one of the photographs that one of them ditched a bag there before they left. That's why they were pegged as suspicious. Another white guy close by was also pegged as suspicious. Nothing to do with color.

So were dozens of other people, all of which you can see in the photo that singled them out.

Tatsuma: And that was apparently enough for the Post to run with its front-page story today, claiming investigators are circulating photos of the two.

Except that this picture, along with one from another angle, ran on CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FOX and other news channels saying that the police was looking into those two and to come forward if they had any information/recollection of seeing them there.

The Police and FBI have not released any official pictures of the suspects they are looking for.

Tatsuma: But maybe there was a reason for them to be at the marathon, wearing track jackets and carrying bags: they're runners.

If they are really runners and the FBI clears them, that's absolutely fantastic for them, there will be an announcement by the FBI that they are in fact not suspects or persons of interests (when I went to bed last night they still were) and we'll all move on!

Where did the FBI claim these two were suspects or persons of interest? And do you think people will really move on considering after the NY Post called these guys out as practically the suspects themselves? Did you forget what happened to Richard Jewell?

Tatsuma: Today on CBS This Morning, John Mil ...

 
2013-04-18 05:07:51 PM

Mr Guy: I defend Tatsuma's right to be mistaken with good intentions, unless proven otherwise


Ha. Ha. You think it's chance that he wanted to draw attention to rumour about two middle-eastern looking people? You think he thought it likely that they'd be perceived as Jewish looking?

Just ask yourself one thing. Tatsuma has been absent from here for months. Why do you think he has decided to return with postings about Muslim looking men suspected in the gutter press of involvement in a  bombing?
 
2013-04-18 05:08:19 PM
Press conference happening soon with pics and videos I mentioned earlier.
 
2013-04-18 05:16:00 PM
give me doughnuts:I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing building to make room for a new one.

An abandoned Burlington Coat Factory is "aesthetically pleasing"?

Jesus, by your standards, Detroit must be scenic.
 
2013-04-18 05:17:29 PM

Mrtraveler01: give me doughnuts:I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing building to make room for a new one.

An abandoned Burlington Coat Factory is "aesthetically pleasing"?

Jesus, by your standards, Detroit must be scenic.


assets.nydailynews.com

blogs.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-04-18 05:35:16 PM

what_now: Hey Tats, can you maybe stop rubbing yourself with glee while speculating that Muslims set off a bomb in my city based on horseshiat from the NY Post?

Thanks.


We all know it was Muzzies, why pretend otherwise?
 
2013-04-18 05:38:11 PM
For the record, here are the suspect photos just released by the FBI:

media3.s-nbcnews.com
 
2013-04-18 05:44:47 PM
www.fbi.gov

www.fbi.gov

www.fbi.gov

www.fbi.gov

www.fbi.gov

www.fbi.gov
 
2013-04-18 05:51:38 PM
For clarity, these images should be the only ones, I emphasize the only ones, that the public should view to assist us.
Other photos should not be deemed credible, and the they unnecessarily divert the public's attention in the wrong direction, and create undue work for vital law enforcement resources
.

*ahem*
 
2013-04-18 06:44:12 PM

cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one.

So you opposed plans that never existed?

Sense: you made none.

Well for one your "aesthetically pleasing building" was a drab 4 story Burlington Coat Factory.


Actually, the example I chose was about a building project about 700 miles from New York. I should have made that clear.
My bad.
 
2013-04-18 06:45:56 PM
The suspects are Justin Bieber and Pedro from "Napoleon Dynamite."
 
2013-04-18 07:10:31 PM

SpectroBoy: darth_badger: Navy Seals "undercover" thanls to Infowars.

[static.prisonplanet.com image 620x640]

Sorry, if you wear your unit insignia ON YOUR FREAKIN HAT you don't get to claim you are undercover.

/just sayin


Shhh. You're destroying Alex Jones' narrative.
 
2013-04-18 07:52:02 PM

give me doughnuts: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one.

So you opposed plans that never existed?

Sense: you made none.

Well for one your "aesthetically pleasing building" was a drab 4 story Burlington Coat Factory.

Actually, the example I chose was about a building project about 700 miles from New York. I should have made that clear.
My bad.


So you monitor every real estate development plan across the US so you can adequately oppose those which do not preserve an asthetically pleasing building.

/ Why do conservatives lie about such absurd stuff?
 
2013-04-18 08:18:53 PM

jaytkay: give me doughnuts: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: cameroncrazy1984: give me doughnuts: I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one.

So you opposed plans that never existed?

Sense: you made none.

Well for one your "aesthetically pleasing building" was a drab 4 story Burlington Coat Factory.

Actually, the example I chose was about a building project about 700 miles from New York. I should have made that clear.
My bad.

So you monitor every real estate development plan across the US so you can adequately oppose those which do not preserve an asthetically pleasing building.

/ Why do conservatives lie about such absurd stuff?


A) I'm not a Conservative
B) The building in my example was three blocks from where I lived.
C) You're a douchebag.
 
2013-04-18 08:32:17 PM

give me doughnuts: I'm not a Conservative


1) Anti-muslim hysteria is a conservative trait
2) So is inappropriate use of capital letters
3) You're an "independent" lol, sure you are
 
2013-04-18 08:47:53 PM

give me doughnuts: 12349876: give me doughnuts: Like I said: Hyperbole much? Were there any more than a few hundred people who "lost their shiat" over the community center that never even got built?

According to a new TIME poll, 61% of respondents oppose the construction of the Park51/Cordoba House project, compared with 26% who support it.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html#ixzz2Q q jZwJik

I opposed plans to tear down an asthetically pleasing buiding to make room for a new one. I was mildly irked for a brief period when those plans were carried out.

To you, I guess that means I "lost my shiat" over the matter.


More than 70% concur with the premise that proceeding with the plan would be an insult to the victims of the attacks on the World Trade Center.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2011799,00.html#ixzz2Q r k2Dad7
 
2013-04-18 09:17:14 PM

jaytkay: give me doughnuts: I'm not a Conservative

1) Anti-muslim hysteria is a conservative trait
2) So is inappropriate use of capital letters
3) You're an "independent" lol, sure you are


I'm a Democrat who leans Socialist, actually.
 
2013-04-18 10:34:10 PM

jaytkay: give me doughnuts: I'm not a Conservative

1) Anti-muslim hysteria is a conservative trait
2) So is inappropriate use of capital letters
3) You're an "independent" lol, sure you are


democrats can also be racist shiatbags.

like my father, unfortunately.
 
2013-04-19 09:08:57 AM

dumbobruni: jaytkay: give me doughnuts: I'm not a Conservative

1) Anti-muslim hysteria is a conservative trait
2) So is inappropriate use of capital letters
3) You're an "independent" lol, sure you are

democrats can also be racist shiatbags.

like my father, unfortunately.


I'm sorry your father is a racist. But when did I ever say anything that could be considered racist?
(Protip: Muslim is not a race, or an ethnicity)
 
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