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2013-04-18 04:21:07 PM  
Save the world, bring back the cheerleader.

also:
 
2013-04-18 04:22:48 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 04:47:53 PM  

Jgok: Well, by the end of the series, they had rewritten Peter's powers to make him less of a reset button... He got his power sucked out, then when he regained it he could only copy one power at a time.

As far as Hiro, by the end of the series he had either lost the time travel bit or he had finally decided to stop screwing with the timeline. Either one would work for me, though I think he was better when stopping time was the only thing he could do reliably. Teleportation SHOULD be a huge strain... At the very least, it should be a non-combat thing, or it should require a supercharge from Ando.

And for Sylar, well... as long as they left him unable to learn new powers without killing his test subjects, he was a good villain. Once they gave him the ability to learn through "getting to know you"... eh.

I'd like to see a reboot along the lines of the original intention, especially if they retconned season 4 and most of seasons 2 and 3. Keep the change to Peter's power, cut Hiro's changes off at just time stop/teleportation (no time travel), and leave them both as mentor/cameo charac ...


The original version of Peter's power, where he could only copy someone by being close to them, seemed fairly balanced to me, until Eccleston's character made them permanent. One power at a time works too though. And who cares if Sylar is overpowered, so long as he's the villain?

But really, I think the show comes with enough baggage that I'd honestly just make a reboot or spiritual successor. If you have to retcon half the series, a clean slate seems simpler.
 
2013-04-18 05:02:05 PM  

CPennypacker: You know you suck at writing when you have a show about people with superpowers and one of the main cast has a superpower that is so strong it invalidates (your ability to write) the entire show, so you have to write him out of 90% of the season. Where is Hiro this week? At thr bottom of the ocean, and he can't use his power again? Oh no! How will he get back!


To be fair, they had 3 characters like that, and they managed to find a unique way to undo it for each of them:

Hiro - Always put him off on his own adventure so he can't influence the main plot, then give him a tumor
Peter - Whoops, when we made him everyone assumed he could only absorb one power at a time, then we decided he could keep them and he quickly became ridiculous, so we better find a way to put it back to one power at a time.  Also, usually the power he takes is terrible.
Sylar - This one was the most sly of them.  Sylar simply seemed to forget he had all but the most recent powers he had picked up and it seems when he forgot he had them, he stopped having them.
 
2013-04-18 05:03:48 PM  

Brick-House: I liked Heros in the begining, but it got to the point that you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen other heros. In fact, wasdidn't someones special power involve swinging a dead cat or am I just fixated on the cheerleaders kitty?

speaking of which...

[mystarclub.com image 566x1078]


I liked the scene with her waking up in the morgue.
 
2013-04-18 05:04:59 PM  
Who remembers Peter's girlfriend that he abandoned in a dystopian future?

www.fanpop.com

/Because Peter never did
 
2013-04-18 05:28:34 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

They were incapable of killing off anyone. At one point, a character dies and the actress comes back playing her twin. The twin character dies, and the actress comes back revealing that they were secretly triplets.

The writers' strike probably didn't help.


While the character(s) Ali Larter played got kind convoluted, only one of them died, Niki/Jessica. She then came back as Tracy and while there was the mention of triplets, we never saw or heard from the triplet. There was the episode where Tracy froze an entire parking garage along with herself and the men attacking her, and after that she was shot and shattered, but she didn't die. That was when they gave her character a major power upgrade, but then sidelined her early into season 4. She basically can't die now, as her body can just turn into water and reform.

/Love Ali Larter
//Really wanted Tracy to be the kind of Xavier of Heroes since that was kind of the direction they were setting her up for (especially in the out of show material).
 
2013-04-18 05:45:16 PM  

cfreak: / Sylar made a really good bad guy though
// when they let him be bad


My favorite Sylar moment.

Cake!
 
2013-04-18 05:45:29 PM  

NeoCortex42: Poe: If they are going to resurrect a show about super powered humans, why not Alphas instead?

I still can't believe Syfy cancelled it.  It was actually pretty good.  I would think it would have been a decent part of their original programming lineup.  Defiance has some promise.  The pilot wasn't great, but for sci-fi pilots "not great" is pretty damn good.  I don't know enough about Helix starting up next year to know if I'm looking forward to it or not.


Yeah but they love the profit margins on Haunted Ghost Collectors and Ghost Trucker Wrestling and rerunning Canadian shows. Defiance is the only sci-fi thing they've seemed to do non-grudgingly lately, and that possibly has to do with selling the game. Warehouse 13 is fun, but really more fantasy than scifi.

But yeah, Alphas with a Heroes budget would be my dream.
 
2013-04-18 08:32:45 PM  

burndtdan: Who remembers Peter's girlfriend that he abandoned in a dystopian future?

[www.fanpop.com image 197x197]

/Because Peter never did


are you serious?! they just left her there?

that was the last episode I watched. It just got painful to watch. That and all the farking Nissan commercials that were written to the story line.

/"oh daddy! you're giving me the brand new 2009 Nissan Rogue? now with a built in backup camera and heated leather seats!"
//jesus it was worse than "Bones" and Toyota
 
2013-04-18 09:12:24 PM  
Season one was hypnotic. It MADE me want to know what was going on. Season two was iffy but not bad. Two episodes into season three, I gave up. Such a grand idea. Such an amazing implementation of that vision in the first season. Such an epic failure to think where it might go from there.... I thought more interesting things and I am a cubicle drone nowadays.
 
2013-04-18 11:17:13 PM  

docbenspock: burndtdan: Who remembers Peter's girlfriend that he abandoned in a dystopian future?

[www.fanpop.com image 197x197]

/Because Peter never did

are you serious?! they just left her there?

that was the last episode I watched. It just got painful to watch. That and all the farking Nissan commercials that were written to the story line.

/"oh daddy! you're giving me the brand new 2009 Nissan Rogue? now with a built in backup camera and heated leather seats!"
//jesus it was worse than "Bones" and Toyota


Yep. Peter popped back to the present, and no word was given about the fate of his Irish girlfriend. My guess is that she either ceased to exist when that future was averted or reappeared back in the present when that future was averted.
 
2013-04-19 12:11:27 AM  
Watched the first season of Heroes and was blown away.

Watched the second season of Heroes and thought, it's okay. Not as good as the first season but not terrible.

Watched the first couple of episodes of the third season and thought "I'd better just stop watching right now or I'm really going to regret this".

Part of the problem was Peter and Sylar were too overpowered which made them uninteresting.
 
2013-04-19 12:20:21 AM  
loved all seasons except the last, that was the nail in the coffin
 
2013-04-19 12:23:47 AM  
BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.
 
2013-04-19 10:30:31 AM  

Tatsuma: FeedTheCollapse: I'm really not getting how many people are still hanging on the show. Hell, Simpsons has been mediocre for almost 15 years now, but at least most of the first 9 seasons were great. Heroes had 1 good season and 3 absolutely dreadful seasons.

Are there a lot of people still hanging on the show? I would have thought that they'd move on by now.

I think that the first season, up to the penultimate episode, created a vivid and interesting world/mythology, but it all went to crap afterwards and couldn't be bothered finishing the series.

I can't imagine a lot of people were left by the end, it seems like the most universally hated series on the internet.


it's weird because the people who still kind of talk up Heroes all seem to be of the opinion that the last two seasons were absolutely dreadful, yet the show still kind of gets some kind of Firefly-esque "what if...?" type loyalty. I mean I guess I'll allow the idea that the writers' strike farked up the second season, but season 3 was absolutely dreadful.

I mean, it's one thing where I think Community has been slipping in quality with each successive season, but it's never gotten to the point where the number of bad seasons (and Heroes at least on season 3 was very bad.) has outnumbered the good ones. Heroes' first season really wasn't good enough to eclipse how bad the series became.


the fanbase is better off just waiting for a show that uses a similar plot.
 
2013-04-19 03:21:15 PM  

Ghastly: BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.


I forget the exact details, but Ando got a power.  His power was the ability to supercharge others' abilities, or something like that.  Even the Indian guy that was investigating the people with powers from the start of the show developed a power, some kind of Spider-Man thing.
 
2013-04-19 04:39:06 PM  
It was pretty uneven but I liked it, a soap opera but with super heroes I guess. It was a real guilty pleasure.

Tiber727:
The original version of Peter's power, where he could only copy someone by being close to them, seemed fairly balanced to me, until Eccleston's character made them permanent. One power at a time works too though. And who cares if Sylar is overpowered, so long as he's the villain?


I understand they did it to balance the character but what I didn't get was why didn't Peter just copy back his empathic mimicry rather than copy Sylars shape shifting ability at the end? I suppose it's possible he didn't know about it but it seems odd that he sucked the one power he needed at the moment out of Sylar.

/nerd
 
2013-04-19 09:35:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: Ghastly: BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.

I forget the exact details, but Ando got a power.  His power was the ability to supercharge others' abilities, or something like that.  Even the Indian guy that was investigating the people with powers from the start of the show developed a power, some kind of Spider-Man thing.


Glad I stopped watching then. The whole thing that made Ando such an interesting character was he didn't have a power.
 
2013-04-19 10:28:36 PM  

Ghastly: BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.


They kinda did.  Like, he could shoot beams of red lightning from his hands, but primarily his power could super-charge another character's power.  He turned the speedster into a time traveler to rescue Hiro before Sulu could split him in two, then super-charged Hiro's teleportation to remove dozens of people at once.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:28 PM  
Also, the last season was the closest to season one they could get.  They even touched upon Hiro trying to correct a mistake from season one, and in the middle of Sylar being evil incarnate managed to STILL give him some touch of a soul in what was season one's timeframe.

I think they tried to turn Sylar good because it became weird for the man playing New Mr. Spock to be cold-blooded evil in their show and the epitome of logic and calm in a beloved franchise at the same time.  Of course, American Horror Story, from what I've heard, has no problem with this, nor did Fringe when they turned ORIGINAL Mr. Spock to the dark side.
 
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