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2013-04-18 11:39:59 AM
Will there be annoying Indian music?
 
2013-04-18 11:42:41 AM

Walker: Will there be annoying Indian music?


And droning voice-overs!
 
2013-04-18 11:44:31 AM
So we will be getting the actual second season, seeing as every year we were supposed to get a new cast? Maybe it won't be horrible this time around.
 
2013-04-18 12:01:03 PM
I'd love to see them reboot "Heroes" but with a more "Misfits" bent to it.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:11 PM
I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?
 
2013-04-18 12:05:51 PM
All I remember is that for half a season, Sylar LITERALLY changed allegiances every episode. It was farking hilarious.
 
2013-04-18 12:10:19 PM
Season one was so promising. Then NBC heads took notice and put a quick stoppin' to that!
 
2013-04-18 12:11:04 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?


Yes(hangs head). So much worse.
 
2013-04-18 12:11:56 PM
You know you suck at writing when you have a show about people with superpowers and one of the main cast has a superpower that is so strong it invalidates (your ability to write) the entire show, so you have to write him out of 90% of the season. Where is Hiro this week? At thr bottom of the ocean, and he can't use his power again? Oh no! How will he get back!
 
2013-04-18 12:16:24 PM
I'm really not getting how many people are still hanging on the show. Hell, Simpsons has been mediocre for almost 15 years now, but at least most of the first 9 seasons were great. Heroes had 1 good season and 3 absolutely dreadful seasons.
 
2013-04-18 12:17:10 PM
When they didn't have the balls to kill Sylar in the season one finale, it was all over.
 
2013-04-18 12:20:20 PM
I only watched the first season and part of the 2nd so I have no clue what happened afterwards.  I guess it wasn't worth watching.

/off to wiki what happened at the end
 
2013-04-18 12:24:12 PM
Yeah there were some issues with the show (and I totally agree with the Hiro comment above) but, all-in-all, I enjoyed it and was bummed when it ended.  The last season had a lot of potential.  If it comes back I will be checking it out.
 
2013-04-18 12:25:29 PM
Ok, just done reading the wiki on it.  Glad I skipped the crapstorm that followed.
 
2013-04-18 12:29:56 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Walker: Will there be annoying Indian music?

And droning voice-overs!


And time travel, time travel, TIME TRAVEL!!!
 
2013-04-18 12:35:28 PM
I loved that show!  Heroes was the best thing on TV.  The fat guy always saying "I see nothink, I know nothink" and the bumbling commandant of the POW camp always getting in trouble with the Gestapo.  Awesome show!

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-18 12:48:48 PM

Decillion: When they didn't have the balls to kill Sylar in the season one finale, it was all over.


THIS x a million!
 
2013-04-18 12:53:15 PM

s2s2s2: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

Yes(hangs head). So much worse.


I watched it through to the end.  I really like the first season.  The second season, I felt that it was not great, but could still turn it around any time now.  After that, I was practically watching out of spite.  It got so bad, so quickly, I took it as a personal mission to not let the show defeat me.  It got to the point where it was like watching the sort of movies that would show up on MST3K.  The writing got that bad.

The character motivations (especially Sylar) seemed to change week to week.  They kept having to somehow "break" Hiro's powers since he was too powerful, but they didn't want to kill him.  The logistics of Peter's power changed constantly.

I would love to see a continuation of the show's universe with a new cast (and the occasional cameo).  If they go back to the original mission of a new cast/plot every season, it would solve 90% of the problems that resulted from writing themselves into corners and power creep.
 
2013-04-18 12:55:17 PM

FeedTheCollapse: I'm really not getting how many people are still hanging on the show. Hell, Simpsons has been mediocre for almost 15 years now, but at least most of the first 9 seasons were great. Heroes had 1 good season and 3 absolutely dreadful seasons.


Are there a lot of people still hanging on the show? I would have thought that they'd move on by now.

I think that the first season, up to the penultimate episode, created a vivid and interesting world/mythology, but it all went to crap afterwards and couldn't be bothered finishing the series.

I can't imagine a lot of people were left by the end, it seems like the most universally hated series on the internet.
 
2013-04-18 12:55:22 PM

Walker: Decillion: When they didn't have the balls to kill Sylar in the season one finale, it was all over.

THIS x a million!


Yeah that and th fact that he was a good guy, then bad, then good, then bad, then he is related to some of the others just made me go all face palmy
 
2013-04-18 12:58:04 PM
I don't think Hiro was too powerful.  But Sylar certainly was.  When a single character can keep adding new powers to his existing ones.  That becomes unwieldy extremely fast.

And definitely Sylar shouldn't have lived past the S1 finale.
 
2013-04-18 12:59:04 PM
Save the cheerleader....ruin my shorts.
 
2013-04-18 12:59:27 PM
Heroes was great until about half way through the last episode of Season 1.  I watched it almost to the end, waiting for it to get good again.  Once they just said "fark it" and just hired a guy an the concept from "Carnivale" that was about it for me.
 
2013-04-18 01:02:01 PM
Sweet, maybe they will bring back LOST so we can have the weekly LOST/HEROES is better then HEROES/LOST threads!
 
2013-04-18 01:03:05 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?


They were incapable of killing off anyone. At one point, a character dies and the actress comes back playing her twin. The twin character dies, and the actress comes back revealing that they were secretly triplets.

The writers' strike probably didn't help.
 
2013-04-18 01:05:11 PM

BizarreMan: I don't think Hiro was too powerful.  But Sylar certainly was.  When a single character can keep adding new powers to his existing ones.  That becomes unwieldy extremely fast.

And definitely Sylar shouldn't have lived past the S1 finale.


Peter was way more powerful than Hiro by the end of S1.  They had a good balance--Sylar was nearly infinitely powerful, but could be defeated by the combination of Hiro and Peter.  They should have killed Sylar in the season finale, but they would have also had to kill Peter, otherwise season 2 would just be Peter as a dictator watching the governments of the world try to kill him with nukes.
 
2013-04-18 01:05:16 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

They were incapable of killing off anyone. At one point, a character dies and the actress comes back playing her twin. The twin character dies, and the actress comes back revealing that they were secretly triplets.

The writers' strike probably didn't help.


The writers' strike doesn't excuse the inconsistency of the writing.  I'll give them a pass on plot holes like Peter completely abandoning the Irish chick in the dystopic future and never mentioning her ever again.  Beyond that, the writers have no excuse.
 
2013-04-18 01:10:17 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: They were incapable of killing off anyone.


The reason why this was so fatal for the show is because they originally WERE going to kill off regular characters, so they set up their story arcs in such a way that they pretty much had to.  Then they chickened out.
 
2013-04-18 01:12:40 PM
Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?
 
2013-04-18 01:15:56 PM

ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?


The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.
 
2013-04-18 01:16:40 PM
I'd be up for this. Loved the show, but yeah nothing compared to season one. Would love to see a return to what works.
 
2013-04-18 01:19:23 PM

NeoCortex42: ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?

The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.


Then, unless Hiro died of a Brain aneurism and Pete turned all "Dr. Manhattan" and left the planet, they are automatic reset buttons.

It's the same issue JLU had.  if Superman is on the team, how are some of these piddly things  threat - well, Superman is off world right now helping a distant planet.
 
2013-04-18 01:22:47 PM
I remember wasting a ton of work time looking at talkbacks and online comics and other BS for this show only to see it degrade into parody. If I ever meet Tim Kring in the street, I'm going to cut the top of his head off. I admit, I have wasted a lot of time and resources with comics and sci-fi that went nowhere (I have all of the first run of Power Pack in a longbox), but I need to cut that guy's head off to see if I can figure out what is wrong with him.
 
2013-04-18 01:25:37 PM

ManateeGag: NeoCortex42: ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?

The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.

Then, unless Hiro died of a Brain aneurism and Pete turned all "Dr. Manhattan" and left the planet, they are automatic reset buttons.

It's the same issue JLU had.  if Superman is on the team, how are some of these piddly things  threat - well, Superman is off world right now helping a distant planet.


They could also just focus on "smaller" stories.  Instead of dealing with end of the world type stuff like an exploding nuclear man, just deal with smaller stories, where the likes of Hiro and Peter simply have no reason to give a shiat.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:11 PM
Claire bear.
Hearing that nickname over and over and over and over....
 
2013-04-18 01:33:21 PM

victrin: I'd be up for this. Loved the show, but yeah nothing compared to season one. Would love to see a return to what works.


I've been able to forgive Season 2 since it seemed they were righting the ship around the time the writers strike happened.

That said: get everyone together, do some Hiro inspired time-warp thing to prevent seasons 3 and 4, killing off Sylar, bring back Mystery Sock, and call it a proper ending. When it was good it was at least Adam West or possibly Michael Keaton-era Batman. When it was bad it was Batman and Robin.
 
2013-04-18 01:33:46 PM
I don't think I can remember a fanbase turning on a show as quickly as it did with Heroes.
 
2013-04-18 01:51:19 PM
At the end did anyone NOT have super powers?
 
2013-04-18 01:52:23 PM

whither_apophis: At the end did anyone NOT have super powers?


I know I was able to feel 2 hours go by in a one-hour episode of "Heroes."
 
2013-04-18 02:00:00 PM

Damn Bleeblah: Claire bear.
Hearing that nickname over and over and over and over....


Especially now since she has been turned into a hallway by a big Russian with retard strength.
 
2013-04-18 02:00:05 PM
I think I'd rather they try and revive The 4400 instead of Heroes.  At least that show didn't go completely off the rails and really deserves a proper conclusion.
 
2013-04-18 02:10:43 PM

Hollie Maea: BizarreMan: I don't think Hiro was too powerful.  But Sylar certainly was.  When a single character can keep adding new powers to his existing ones.  That becomes unwieldy extremely fast.

And definitely Sylar shouldn't have lived past the S1 finale.

Peter was way more powerful than Hiro by the end of S1.  They had a good balance--Sylar was nearly infinitely powerful, but could be defeated by the combination of Hiro and Peter.  They should have killed Sylar in the season finale, but they would have also had to kill Peter, otherwise season 2 would just be Peter as a dictator watching the governments of the world try to kill him with nukes.


There really shouldn't have been any balance. Every power Sylar had, Peter would absorb as soon as the two were close. Thats what made the show shiatty. Two guys with infinate powers and a bunch of other people doing things.
 
Poe
2013-04-18 02:19:31 PM
If they are going to resurrect a show about super powered humans, why not Alphas instead?
 
2013-04-18 02:19:51 PM
I liked Heros in the begining, but it got to the point that you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen other heros. In fact, wasdidn't someones special power involve swinging a dead cat or am I just fixated on the cheerleaders kitty?

speaking of which...

mystarclub.com
 
2013-04-18 02:20:55 PM

PsyLord: I only watched the first season and part of the 2nd so I have no clue what happened afterwards.  I guess it wasn't worth watching.

/off to wiki what happened at the end


I was ok with amnesia because they had explicitly established that as the Hatian's power.  The problem with season 2 was that they spent too much time in medieval Japan and too much time with depowered Sylar.  The concepts for the post-virus world that were lost to the writer's strike looked really compelling and I think the back half of S2 could have been excellent.

The other thing that people tend to forget with Heroes is that the first few episodes of Season 1 weren't all that great.  It really wasn't until Future Hiro showed up that we got a hook which then propelled the rest of the story.
 
2013-04-18 03:10:46 PM

s2s2s2: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

Yes(hangs head). So much worse.


Season 2 was terrible as was the beginning of season 3. Then they fired the replacement writers and brought back some of the original ones. The second half of season 3 was pretty good, Sylar was evil again and all was right with the world.

Then season 4 brought the carnival dudes and nothing made any sense with them at all.  They also completely dropped several story lines at that point.  In the end it suffered from the same thing the Star Wars prequels suffered from: too many characters and competing story-lines. You were never sure who the bad-guys really were.

/ Sylar made a really good bad guy though
// when they let him be bad
 
2013-04-18 03:12:30 PM

Poe: If they are going to resurrect a show about super powered humans, why not Alphas instead?


I still can't believe Syfy cancelled it.  It was actually pretty good.  I would think it would have been a decent part of their original programming lineup.  Defiance has some promise.  The pilot wasn't great, but for sci-fi pilots "not great" is pretty damn good.  I don't know enough about Helix starting up next year to know if I'm looking forward to it or not.
 
2013-04-18 03:22:25 PM
I wonder if this show was a catalyst/learning experience for many writers. It seems to me that, much more than in the past, current shows are more willing to kill off major characters. It can be tough to deal with as a fan, but in the long wrong, it's generally more realistic and you never know what might happen.
 
2013-04-18 03:23:34 PM
Ugh...in the long "run"
 
2013-04-18 03:55:03 PM

ManateeGag: NeoCortex42: ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?

The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.

Then, unless Hiro died of a Brain aneurism and Pete turned all "Dr. Manhattan" and left the planet, they are automatic reset buttons.

It's the same issue JLU had.  if Superman is on the team, how are some of these piddly things  threat - well, Superman is off world right now helping a distant planet.


Well, by the end of the series, they had rewritten Peter's powers to make him less of a reset button... He got his power sucked out, then when he regained it he could only copy one power at a time.

As far as Hiro, by the end of the series he had either lost the time travel bit or he had finally decided to stop screwing with the timeline. Either one would work for me, though I think he was better when stopping time was the only thing he could do reliably. Teleportation SHOULD be a huge strain... At the very least, it should be a non-combat thing, or it should require a supercharge from Ando.

And for Sylar, well... as long as they left him unable to learn new powers without killing his test subjects, he was a good villain. Once they gave him the ability to learn through "getting to know you"... eh.

I'd like to see a reboot along the lines of the original intention, especially if they retconned season 4 and most of seasons 2 and 3. Keep the change to Peter's power, cut Hiro's changes off at just time stop/teleportation (no time travel), and leave them both as mentor/cameo characters. Maybe have them (and Ando) show up midseason (after the requisite teen angst "omg I'm weird" bullshiat) to help with "difficult to control" powers... Hiro/Ando provide the transport, then Peter absorbs the power and teaches the new kid how to use it safely.

And speaking of the angst, they REALLY need to lay off that in a new series. I'm sorry, but if I could fly, teleport, regenerate, throw fire, paint the future, whatever... I would NOT be biatching about being weird. I would be USING that power, experimenting with it, finding positive things to do with it. Unfortunately, the modern trend seems to be that actually enjoying a superpower somehow turns you evil.
 
2013-04-18 04:21:07 PM
Save the world, bring back the cheerleader.

also:
 
2013-04-18 04:22:48 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 04:47:53 PM

Jgok: Well, by the end of the series, they had rewritten Peter's powers to make him less of a reset button... He got his power sucked out, then when he regained it he could only copy one power at a time.

As far as Hiro, by the end of the series he had either lost the time travel bit or he had finally decided to stop screwing with the timeline. Either one would work for me, though I think he was better when stopping time was the only thing he could do reliably. Teleportation SHOULD be a huge strain... At the very least, it should be a non-combat thing, or it should require a supercharge from Ando.

And for Sylar, well... as long as they left him unable to learn new powers without killing his test subjects, he was a good villain. Once they gave him the ability to learn through "getting to know you"... eh.

I'd like to see a reboot along the lines of the original intention, especially if they retconned season 4 and most of seasons 2 and 3. Keep the change to Peter's power, cut Hiro's changes off at just time stop/teleportation (no time travel), and leave them both as mentor/cameo charac ...


The original version of Peter's power, where he could only copy someone by being close to them, seemed fairly balanced to me, until Eccleston's character made them permanent. One power at a time works too though. And who cares if Sylar is overpowered, so long as he's the villain?

But really, I think the show comes with enough baggage that I'd honestly just make a reboot or spiritual successor. If you have to retcon half the series, a clean slate seems simpler.
 
2013-04-18 05:02:05 PM

CPennypacker: You know you suck at writing when you have a show about people with superpowers and one of the main cast has a superpower that is so strong it invalidates (your ability to write) the entire show, so you have to write him out of 90% of the season. Where is Hiro this week? At thr bottom of the ocean, and he can't use his power again? Oh no! How will he get back!


To be fair, they had 3 characters like that, and they managed to find a unique way to undo it for each of them:

Hiro - Always put him off on his own adventure so he can't influence the main plot, then give him a tumor
Peter - Whoops, when we made him everyone assumed he could only absorb one power at a time, then we decided he could keep them and he quickly became ridiculous, so we better find a way to put it back to one power at a time.  Also, usually the power he takes is terrible.
Sylar - This one was the most sly of them.  Sylar simply seemed to forget he had all but the most recent powers he had picked up and it seems when he forgot he had them, he stopped having them.
 
2013-04-18 05:03:48 PM

Brick-House: I liked Heros in the begining, but it got to the point that you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen other heros. In fact, wasdidn't someones special power involve swinging a dead cat or am I just fixated on the cheerleaders kitty?

speaking of which...

[mystarclub.com image 566x1078]


I liked the scene with her waking up in the morgue.
 
2013-04-18 05:04:59 PM
Who remembers Peter's girlfriend that he abandoned in a dystopian future?

www.fanpop.com

/Because Peter never did
 
2013-04-18 05:28:34 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

They were incapable of killing off anyone. At one point, a character dies and the actress comes back playing her twin. The twin character dies, and the actress comes back revealing that they were secretly triplets.

The writers' strike probably didn't help.


While the character(s) Ali Larter played got kind convoluted, only one of them died, Niki/Jessica. She then came back as Tracy and while there was the mention of triplets, we never saw or heard from the triplet. There was the episode where Tracy froze an entire parking garage along with herself and the men attacking her, and after that she was shot and shattered, but she didn't die. That was when they gave her character a major power upgrade, but then sidelined her early into season 4. She basically can't die now, as her body can just turn into water and reform.

/Love Ali Larter
//Really wanted Tracy to be the kind of Xavier of Heroes since that was kind of the direction they were setting her up for (especially in the out of show material).
 
2013-04-18 05:45:16 PM

cfreak: / Sylar made a really good bad guy though
// when they let him be bad


My favorite Sylar moment.

Cake!
 
2013-04-18 05:45:29 PM

NeoCortex42: Poe: If they are going to resurrect a show about super powered humans, why not Alphas instead?

I still can't believe Syfy cancelled it.  It was actually pretty good.  I would think it would have been a decent part of their original programming lineup.  Defiance has some promise.  The pilot wasn't great, but for sci-fi pilots "not great" is pretty damn good.  I don't know enough about Helix starting up next year to know if I'm looking forward to it or not.


Yeah but they love the profit margins on Haunted Ghost Collectors and Ghost Trucker Wrestling and rerunning Canadian shows. Defiance is the only sci-fi thing they've seemed to do non-grudgingly lately, and that possibly has to do with selling the game. Warehouse 13 is fun, but really more fantasy than scifi.

But yeah, Alphas with a Heroes budget would be my dream.
 
2013-04-18 08:32:45 PM

burndtdan: Who remembers Peter's girlfriend that he abandoned in a dystopian future?

[www.fanpop.com image 197x197]

/Because Peter never did


are you serious?! they just left her there?

that was the last episode I watched. It just got painful to watch. That and all the farking Nissan commercials that were written to the story line.

/"oh daddy! you're giving me the brand new 2009 Nissan Rogue? now with a built in backup camera and heated leather seats!"
//jesus it was worse than "Bones" and Toyota
 
2013-04-18 09:12:24 PM
Season one was hypnotic. It MADE me want to know what was going on. Season two was iffy but not bad. Two episodes into season three, I gave up. Such a grand idea. Such an amazing implementation of that vision in the first season. Such an epic failure to think where it might go from there.... I thought more interesting things and I am a cubicle drone nowadays.
 
2013-04-18 11:17:13 PM

docbenspock: burndtdan: Who remembers Peter's girlfriend that he abandoned in a dystopian future?

[www.fanpop.com image 197x197]

/Because Peter never did

are you serious?! they just left her there?

that was the last episode I watched. It just got painful to watch. That and all the farking Nissan commercials that were written to the story line.

/"oh daddy! you're giving me the brand new 2009 Nissan Rogue? now with a built in backup camera and heated leather seats!"
//jesus it was worse than "Bones" and Toyota


Yep. Peter popped back to the present, and no word was given about the fate of his Irish girlfriend. My guess is that she either ceased to exist when that future was averted or reappeared back in the present when that future was averted.
 
2013-04-19 12:11:27 AM
Watched the first season of Heroes and was blown away.

Watched the second season of Heroes and thought, it's okay. Not as good as the first season but not terrible.

Watched the first couple of episodes of the third season and thought "I'd better just stop watching right now or I'm really going to regret this".

Part of the problem was Peter and Sylar were too overpowered which made them uninteresting.
 
2013-04-19 12:20:21 AM
loved all seasons except the last, that was the nail in the coffin
 
2013-04-19 12:23:47 AM
BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.
 
2013-04-19 10:30:31 AM

Tatsuma: FeedTheCollapse: I'm really not getting how many people are still hanging on the show. Hell, Simpsons has been mediocre for almost 15 years now, but at least most of the first 9 seasons were great. Heroes had 1 good season and 3 absolutely dreadful seasons.

Are there a lot of people still hanging on the show? I would have thought that they'd move on by now.

I think that the first season, up to the penultimate episode, created a vivid and interesting world/mythology, but it all went to crap afterwards and couldn't be bothered finishing the series.

I can't imagine a lot of people were left by the end, it seems like the most universally hated series on the internet.


it's weird because the people who still kind of talk up Heroes all seem to be of the opinion that the last two seasons were absolutely dreadful, yet the show still kind of gets some kind of Firefly-esque "what if...?" type loyalty. I mean I guess I'll allow the idea that the writers' strike farked up the second season, but season 3 was absolutely dreadful.

I mean, it's one thing where I think Community has been slipping in quality with each successive season, but it's never gotten to the point where the number of bad seasons (and Heroes at least on season 3 was very bad.) has outnumbered the good ones. Heroes' first season really wasn't good enough to eclipse how bad the series became.


the fanbase is better off just waiting for a show that uses a similar plot.
 
2013-04-19 03:21:15 PM

Ghastly: BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.


I forget the exact details, but Ando got a power.  His power was the ability to supercharge others' abilities, or something like that.  Even the Indian guy that was investigating the people with powers from the start of the show developed a power, some kind of Spider-Man thing.
 
2013-04-19 04:39:06 PM
It was pretty uneven but I liked it, a soap opera but with super heroes I guess. It was a real guilty pleasure.

Tiber727:
The original version of Peter's power, where he could only copy someone by being close to them, seemed fairly balanced to me, until Eccleston's character made them permanent. One power at a time works too though. And who cares if Sylar is overpowered, so long as he's the villain?


I understand they did it to balance the character but what I didn't get was why didn't Peter just copy back his empathic mimicry rather than copy Sylars shape shifting ability at the end? I suppose it's possible he didn't know about it but it seems odd that he sucked the one power he needed at the moment out of Sylar.

/nerd
 
2013-04-19 09:35:26 PM

NeoCortex42: Ghastly: BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.

I forget the exact details, but Ando got a power.  His power was the ability to supercharge others' abilities, or something like that.  Even the Indian guy that was investigating the people with powers from the start of the show developed a power, some kind of Spider-Man thing.


Glad I stopped watching then. The whole thing that made Ando such an interesting character was he didn't have a power.
 
2013-04-19 10:28:36 PM

Ghastly: BTW, please tell me they didn't end up giving Ando a super power. Of all the character I thought Ando was the bravest since he willingly threw himself into danger with absolutely no super powers to help him. It was his sense of duty and friendship that made him seem very honourable to me. I couldn't help but feel that had I kept watching the series they'd fark that up by giving him a super power and probably turning him into Dark Ando or some crap like that.


They kinda did.  Like, he could shoot beams of red lightning from his hands, but primarily his power could super-charge another character's power.  He turned the speedster into a time traveler to rescue Hiro before Sulu could split him in two, then super-charged Hiro's teleportation to remove dozens of people at once.
 
2013-04-19 10:33:28 PM
Also, the last season was the closest to season one they could get.  They even touched upon Hiro trying to correct a mistake from season one, and in the middle of Sylar being evil incarnate managed to STILL give him some touch of a soul in what was season one's timeframe.

I think they tried to turn Sylar good because it became weird for the man playing New Mr. Spock to be cold-blooded evil in their show and the epitome of logic and calm in a beloved franchise at the same time.  Of course, American Horror Story, from what I've heard, has no problem with this, nor did Fringe when they turned ORIGINAL Mr. Spock to the dark side.
 
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