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2013-04-18 11:39:59 AM
Will there be annoying Indian music?
 
2013-04-18 11:42:41 AM

Walker: Will there be annoying Indian music?


And droning voice-overs!
 
2013-04-18 11:44:31 AM
So we will be getting the actual second season, seeing as every year we were supposed to get a new cast? Maybe it won't be horrible this time around.
 
2013-04-18 12:01:03 PM
I'd love to see them reboot "Heroes" but with a more "Misfits" bent to it.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:11 PM
I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?
 
2013-04-18 12:05:51 PM
All I remember is that for half a season, Sylar LITERALLY changed allegiances every episode. It was farking hilarious.
 
2013-04-18 12:10:19 PM
Season one was so promising. Then NBC heads took notice and put a quick stoppin' to that!
 
2013-04-18 12:11:04 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?


Yes(hangs head). So much worse.
 
2013-04-18 12:11:56 PM
You know you suck at writing when you have a show about people with superpowers and one of the main cast has a superpower that is so strong it invalidates (your ability to write) the entire show, so you have to write him out of 90% of the season. Where is Hiro this week? At thr bottom of the ocean, and he can't use his power again? Oh no! How will he get back!
 
2013-04-18 12:16:24 PM
I'm really not getting how many people are still hanging on the show. Hell, Simpsons has been mediocre for almost 15 years now, but at least most of the first 9 seasons were great. Heroes had 1 good season and 3 absolutely dreadful seasons.
 
2013-04-18 12:17:10 PM
When they didn't have the balls to kill Sylar in the season one finale, it was all over.
 
2013-04-18 12:20:20 PM
I only watched the first season and part of the 2nd so I have no clue what happened afterwards.  I guess it wasn't worth watching.

/off to wiki what happened at the end
 
2013-04-18 12:24:12 PM
Yeah there were some issues with the show (and I totally agree with the Hiro comment above) but, all-in-all, I enjoyed it and was bummed when it ended.  The last season had a lot of potential.  If it comes back I will be checking it out.
 
2013-04-18 12:25:29 PM
Ok, just done reading the wiki on it.  Glad I skipped the crapstorm that followed.
 
2013-04-18 12:29:56 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Walker: Will there be annoying Indian music?

And droning voice-overs!


And time travel, time travel, TIME TRAVEL!!!
 
2013-04-18 12:35:28 PM
I loved that show!  Heroes was the best thing on TV.  The fat guy always saying "I see nothink, I know nothink" and the bumbling commandant of the POW camp always getting in trouble with the Gestapo.  Awesome show!

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2013-04-18 12:48:48 PM

Decillion: When they didn't have the balls to kill Sylar in the season one finale, it was all over.


THIS x a million!
 
2013-04-18 12:53:15 PM

s2s2s2: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

Yes(hangs head). So much worse.


I watched it through to the end.  I really like the first season.  The second season, I felt that it was not great, but could still turn it around any time now.  After that, I was practically watching out of spite.  It got so bad, so quickly, I took it as a personal mission to not let the show defeat me.  It got to the point where it was like watching the sort of movies that would show up on MST3K.  The writing got that bad.

The character motivations (especially Sylar) seemed to change week to week.  They kept having to somehow "break" Hiro's powers since he was too powerful, but they didn't want to kill him.  The logistics of Peter's power changed constantly.

I would love to see a continuation of the show's universe with a new cast (and the occasional cameo).  If they go back to the original mission of a new cast/plot every season, it would solve 90% of the problems that resulted from writing themselves into corners and power creep.
 
2013-04-18 12:55:17 PM

FeedTheCollapse: I'm really not getting how many people are still hanging on the show. Hell, Simpsons has been mediocre for almost 15 years now, but at least most of the first 9 seasons were great. Heroes had 1 good season and 3 absolutely dreadful seasons.


Are there a lot of people still hanging on the show? I would have thought that they'd move on by now.

I think that the first season, up to the penultimate episode, created a vivid and interesting world/mythology, but it all went to crap afterwards and couldn't be bothered finishing the series.

I can't imagine a lot of people were left by the end, it seems like the most universally hated series on the internet.
 
2013-04-18 12:55:22 PM

Walker: Decillion: When they didn't have the balls to kill Sylar in the season one finale, it was all over.

THIS x a million!


Yeah that and th fact that he was a good guy, then bad, then good, then bad, then he is related to some of the others just made me go all face palmy
 
2013-04-18 12:58:04 PM
I don't think Hiro was too powerful.  But Sylar certainly was.  When a single character can keep adding new powers to his existing ones.  That becomes unwieldy extremely fast.

And definitely Sylar shouldn't have lived past the S1 finale.
 
2013-04-18 12:59:04 PM
Save the cheerleader....ruin my shorts.
 
2013-04-18 12:59:27 PM
Heroes was great until about half way through the last episode of Season 1.  I watched it almost to the end, waiting for it to get good again.  Once they just said "fark it" and just hired a guy an the concept from "Carnivale" that was about it for me.
 
2013-04-18 01:02:01 PM
Sweet, maybe they will bring back LOST so we can have the weekly LOST/HEROES is better then HEROES/LOST threads!
 
2013-04-18 01:03:05 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?


They were incapable of killing off anyone. At one point, a character dies and the actress comes back playing her twin. The twin character dies, and the actress comes back revealing that they were secretly triplets.

The writers' strike probably didn't help.
 
2013-04-18 01:05:11 PM

BizarreMan: I don't think Hiro was too powerful.  But Sylar certainly was.  When a single character can keep adding new powers to his existing ones.  That becomes unwieldy extremely fast.

And definitely Sylar shouldn't have lived past the S1 finale.


Peter was way more powerful than Hiro by the end of S1.  They had a good balance--Sylar was nearly infinitely powerful, but could be defeated by the combination of Hiro and Peter.  They should have killed Sylar in the season finale, but they would have also had to kill Peter, otherwise season 2 would just be Peter as a dictator watching the governments of the world try to kill him with nukes.
 
2013-04-18 01:05:16 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

They were incapable of killing off anyone. At one point, a character dies and the actress comes back playing her twin. The twin character dies, and the actress comes back revealing that they were secretly triplets.

The writers' strike probably didn't help.


The writers' strike doesn't excuse the inconsistency of the writing.  I'll give them a pass on plot holes like Peter completely abandoning the Irish chick in the dystopic future and never mentioning her ever again.  Beyond that, the writers have no excuse.
 
2013-04-18 01:10:17 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: They were incapable of killing off anyone.


The reason why this was so fatal for the show is because they originally WERE going to kill off regular characters, so they set up their story arcs in such a way that they pretty much had to.  Then they chickened out.
 
2013-04-18 01:12:40 PM
Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?
 
2013-04-18 01:15:56 PM

ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?


The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.
 
2013-04-18 01:16:40 PM
I'd be up for this. Loved the show, but yeah nothing compared to season one. Would love to see a return to what works.
 
2013-04-18 01:19:23 PM

NeoCortex42: ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?

The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.


Then, unless Hiro died of a Brain aneurism and Pete turned all "Dr. Manhattan" and left the planet, they are automatic reset buttons.

It's the same issue JLU had.  if Superman is on the team, how are some of these piddly things  threat - well, Superman is off world right now helping a distant planet.
 
2013-04-18 01:22:47 PM
I remember wasting a ton of work time looking at talkbacks and online comics and other BS for this show only to see it degrade into parody. If I ever meet Tim Kring in the street, I'm going to cut the top of his head off. I admit, I have wasted a lot of time and resources with comics and sci-fi that went nowhere (I have all of the first run of Power Pack in a longbox), but I need to cut that guy's head off to see if I can figure out what is wrong with him.
 
2013-04-18 01:25:37 PM

ManateeGag: NeoCortex42: ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?

The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.

Then, unless Hiro died of a Brain aneurism and Pete turned all "Dr. Manhattan" and left the planet, they are automatic reset buttons.

It's the same issue JLU had.  if Superman is on the team, how are some of these piddly things  threat - well, Superman is off world right now helping a distant planet.


They could also just focus on "smaller" stories.  Instead of dealing with end of the world type stuff like an exploding nuclear man, just deal with smaller stories, where the likes of Hiro and Peter simply have no reason to give a shiat.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:11 PM
Claire bear.
Hearing that nickname over and over and over and over....
 
2013-04-18 01:33:21 PM

victrin: I'd be up for this. Loved the show, but yeah nothing compared to season one. Would love to see a return to what works.


I've been able to forgive Season 2 since it seemed they were righting the ship around the time the writers strike happened.

That said: get everyone together, do some Hiro inspired time-warp thing to prevent seasons 3 and 4, killing off Sylar, bring back Mystery Sock, and call it a proper ending. When it was good it was at least Adam West or possibly Michael Keaton-era Batman. When it was bad it was Batman and Robin.
 
2013-04-18 01:33:46 PM
I don't think I can remember a fanbase turning on a show as quickly as it did with Heroes.
 
2013-04-18 01:51:19 PM
At the end did anyone NOT have super powers?
 
2013-04-18 01:52:23 PM

whither_apophis: At the end did anyone NOT have super powers?


I know I was able to feel 2 hours go by in a one-hour episode of "Heroes."
 
2013-04-18 02:00:00 PM

Damn Bleeblah: Claire bear.
Hearing that nickname over and over and over and over....


Especially now since she has been turned into a hallway by a big Russian with retard strength.
 
2013-04-18 02:00:05 PM
I think I'd rather they try and revive The 4400 instead of Heroes.  At least that show didn't go completely off the rails and really deserves a proper conclusion.
 
2013-04-18 02:10:43 PM

Hollie Maea: BizarreMan: I don't think Hiro was too powerful.  But Sylar certainly was.  When a single character can keep adding new powers to his existing ones.  That becomes unwieldy extremely fast.

And definitely Sylar shouldn't have lived past the S1 finale.

Peter was way more powerful than Hiro by the end of S1.  They had a good balance--Sylar was nearly infinitely powerful, but could be defeated by the combination of Hiro and Peter.  They should have killed Sylar in the season finale, but they would have also had to kill Peter, otherwise season 2 would just be Peter as a dictator watching the governments of the world try to kill him with nukes.


There really shouldn't have been any balance. Every power Sylar had, Peter would absorb as soon as the two were close. Thats what made the show shiatty. Two guys with infinate powers and a bunch of other people doing things.
 
Poe
2013-04-18 02:19:31 PM
If they are going to resurrect a show about super powered humans, why not Alphas instead?
 
2013-04-18 02:19:51 PM
I liked Heros in the begining, but it got to the point that you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting a half dozen other heros. In fact, wasdidn't someones special power involve swinging a dead cat or am I just fixated on the cheerleaders kitty?

speaking of which...

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2013-04-18 02:20:55 PM

PsyLord: I only watched the first season and part of the 2nd so I have no clue what happened afterwards.  I guess it wasn't worth watching.

/off to wiki what happened at the end


I was ok with amnesia because they had explicitly established that as the Hatian's power.  The problem with season 2 was that they spent too much time in medieval Japan and too much time with depowered Sylar.  The concepts for the post-virus world that were lost to the writer's strike looked really compelling and I think the back half of S2 could have been excellent.

The other thing that people tend to forget with Heroes is that the first few episodes of Season 1 weren't all that great.  It really wasn't until Future Hiro showed up that we got a hook which then propelled the rest of the story.
 
2013-04-18 03:10:46 PM

s2s2s2: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I turned it off immediately when, in the season two opener, amnesia happened.

Did anyone keep watching after that? Did it get even worse?

Yes(hangs head). So much worse.


Season 2 was terrible as was the beginning of season 3. Then they fired the replacement writers and brought back some of the original ones. The second half of season 3 was pretty good, Sylar was evil again and all was right with the world.

Then season 4 brought the carnival dudes and nothing made any sense with them at all.  They also completely dropped several story lines at that point.  In the end it suffered from the same thing the Star Wars prequels suffered from: too many characters and competing story-lines. You were never sure who the bad-guys really were.

/ Sylar made a really good bad guy though
// when they let him be bad
 
2013-04-18 03:12:30 PM

Poe: If they are going to resurrect a show about super powered humans, why not Alphas instead?


I still can't believe Syfy cancelled it.  It was actually pretty good.  I would think it would have been a decent part of their original programming lineup.  Defiance has some promise.  The pilot wasn't great, but for sci-fi pilots "not great" is pretty damn good.  I don't know enough about Helix starting up next year to know if I'm looking forward to it or not.
 
2013-04-18 03:22:25 PM
I wonder if this show was a catalyst/learning experience for many writers. It seems to me that, much more than in the past, current shows are more willing to kill off major characters. It can be tough to deal with as a fan, but in the long wrong, it's generally more realistic and you never know what might happen.
 
2013-04-18 03:23:34 PM
Ugh...in the long "run"
 
2013-04-18 03:55:03 PM

ManateeGag: NeoCortex42: ManateeGag: Turning on and off powers with an Eclipse killed it for me.  and the circus of Supers.

If they bring it back, is it a Reboot completely (no one has powers and all the sudden, people are getting them) or a continuation (every knows supers exists and normals are either accepting or assholes)

Do you bring back any of the original characters to maintain a continuity?  are any of the actors really doing anything other than Quinto?

The earlier article I read said it was a continuation with a new cast and the likelihood of some cameos from previous characters.

Then, unless Hiro died of a Brain aneurism and Pete turned all "Dr. Manhattan" and left the planet, they are automatic reset buttons.

It's the same issue JLU had.  if Superman is on the team, how are some of these piddly things  threat - well, Superman is off world right now helping a distant planet.


Well, by the end of the series, they had rewritten Peter's powers to make him less of a reset button... He got his power sucked out, then when he regained it he could only copy one power at a time.

As far as Hiro, by the end of the series he had either lost the time travel bit or he had finally decided to stop screwing with the timeline. Either one would work for me, though I think he was better when stopping time was the only thing he could do reliably. Teleportation SHOULD be a huge strain... At the very least, it should be a non-combat thing, or it should require a supercharge from Ando.

And for Sylar, well... as long as they left him unable to learn new powers without killing his test subjects, he was a good villain. Once they gave him the ability to learn through "getting to know you"... eh.

I'd like to see a reboot along the lines of the original intention, especially if they retconned season 4 and most of seasons 2 and 3. Keep the change to Peter's power, cut Hiro's changes off at just time stop/teleportation (no time travel), and leave them both as mentor/cameo characters. Maybe have them (and Ando) show up midseason (after the requisite teen angst "omg I'm weird" bullshiat) to help with "difficult to control" powers... Hiro/Ando provide the transport, then Peter absorbs the power and teaches the new kid how to use it safely.

And speaking of the angst, they REALLY need to lay off that in a new series. I'm sorry, but if I could fly, teleport, regenerate, throw fire, paint the future, whatever... I would NOT be biatching about being weird. I would be USING that power, experimenting with it, finding positive things to do with it. Unfortunately, the modern trend seems to be that actually enjoying a superpower somehow turns you evil.
 
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