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2013-04-18 02:22:15 PM  
My grandfather was on a 60 day furlough back home from Eurpoe, with orders to the Pacific theater to ready for the invasion, and his brother, a Marine war dog handler, was still dealing with snipers on Okinawa when the atomic bombs went off and ended the war.  They both wound up serving occupation duty, my grandfather in Japan and his brother in China.  To the end of their lives, they both truly believed that if it hadn't been for those bombs, they would have had to invade mainland Japan.

Also, I think one of Truman's advisers pointed out that if, after spending 2 billion dollars and years of research, we didn't drop our superbomb, and even a few thousand more airmen and sailors died before the surrender, due to the bombing campaign and Kamikaze attacks on our ships, if the American public and Congress found out about it, he would be impeached, while the public called for his head with torches and pitchforks.
 
2013-04-18 02:23:31 PM  
You can catch Fifi flying around Dallas pretty often.  Hell of a sight to see passing over 635 on final.

Addison is great for aviation buffs.  Not exactly your average everyday GA traffic.

www.netairspace.com
 
2013-04-18 02:32:45 PM  

stevarooni: FTFA: A University of Dayton associate professor who was born in a U.S. wartime detention camp for Japanese-Americans said besides the "re-enactment" being offensive, the show's contention that the bomb that killed so many Japanese ended up saving more lives is disputable - some historians say Japan would have surrendered without the atomic bomb attacks.

But would have been "total surrender"?  And compared to the firebombing of Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima had relatively few casualties.


This theory seems to be gaining steam over the past few years. It's sloppy and boils down to historic revisionism, no better than those who try to change the narrative of the Civil War.
 
2013-04-18 02:33:13 PM  
Didn't the Confederate Commemorative Air Force used to do a mushroom-cloud routine before political correctness sapped their vital bodily fluids?
 
2013-04-18 02:41:01 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: LeroyBourne: jshine: fat boy: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

IIRC, they were given the chance to surrender after the first.

They were given many opportunities, even before Hiroshima - when loss was already inevitable.

I also believe notes were dropped over their city days before the bomb dropped warning them to leave.

I got outbid on one of these several years ago on eBay...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasa ki #Leaflets


Oh wow, cool.  How much does something like that go for?
 
2013-04-18 02:41:47 PM  
I think they may have a problem getting enough Japanese to co-operate.
 
2013-04-18 02:42:48 PM  

Fissile: Dynascape: I always found it somewhat ironic that there is a huge peace movement here in Dayton.

I mean, Wright Patterson is next door. That place is no joke. One of the more important Air Force Bases in the country.

===========

Wright Patterson is the biggest airbase the US maintains in the lower 48.  Without Wright-Patterson, Dayton would dry up and blow away.


Thankfully, I dont think that will ever happen.

The sheer amount of stuff they have there would take decades of de-contamination. I work over what used to be McCook Field and they still dig up random stuff from where the airfield used to be.
 
2013-04-18 02:47:39 PM  
What's most surprising is how this thread's military-fellators have yet to somehow use the word "godspeed".
 
2013-04-18 02:47:59 PM  

LeroyBourne: Tsar_Bomba1: LeroyBourne: jshine: fat boy: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

IIRC, they were given the chance to surrender after the first.

They were given many opportunities, even before Hiroshima - when loss was already inevitable.

I also believe notes were dropped over their city days before the bomb dropped warning them to leave.

I got outbid on one of these several years ago on eBay...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasa ki #Leaflets

Oh wow, cool.  How much does something like that go for?


It got ridiculously high.  Pretty sure it was over $250.  That was a long time ago...
 
2013-04-18 02:49:40 PM  

LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.


I was living in Tokyo when 9/11 happened and you can bet your bottom dollar there was gloating. They won't forget Hiroshima any time soon.
 
2013-04-18 02:50:59 PM  

LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.


I had a similar experience many years ago, when I was a college freshman. Two of my fellow students in an English course were Japanese, and when the subject of the bomb came up, they were VERY passionate and VERY accusatory.

I was much less PC then than I am today. After listening to them for a few minutes, I mentioned Pearl. I don't remember exactly what I said, but the phrase "expected a nickel's worth of change, and got a quarter" was in there.
 
2013-04-18 02:54:55 PM  

Gonz: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

I had a similar experience many years ago, when I was a college freshman. Two of my fellow students in an English course were Japanese, and when the subject of the bomb came up, they were VERY passionate and VERY accusatory.

I was much less PC then than I am today. After listening to them for a few minutes, I mentioned Pearl. I don't remember exactly what I said, but the phrase "expected a nickel's worth of change, and got a quarter" was in there.


I'd be curious to know how korean and chinese exchange students might respond to japanese complaints.  I expect it would be along the lines of "too bad they didn't kill more."
 
2013-04-18 02:57:49 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: What's most surprising is how this thread's military-fellators have yet to somehow use the word "godspeed".


IIRC, that term was used to wish John Glenn 'good luck' on America's first manned orbital launch. I'm not sure how it would apply in this context.
 
2013-04-18 02:58:05 PM  
Hey, make it entertaining.  Why not re-enact this?
downloads.thedaily.com
/fun fact: Kubrick had the opportunity to re-enact this ending for the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey, but decided not to
 
2013-04-18 03:01:32 PM  

Gergesa: Gonz: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

I had a similar experience many years ago, when I was a college freshman. Two of my fellow students in an English course were Japanese, and when the subject of the bomb came up, they were VERY passionate and VERY accusatory.

I was much less PC then than I am today. After listening to them for a few minutes, I mentioned Pearl. I don't remember exactly what I said, but the phrase "expected a nickel's worth of change, and got a quarter" was in there.

I'd be curious to know how korean and chinese exchange students might respond to japanese complaints.  I expect it would be along the lines of "too bad they didn't kill more."


My wife is Chinese - from the same city as Unit 731 - but has no anti-Japanese sentiment. In fact we've got Japanese friends. The Chinese gov't beats the nationalism drum, and that stirs up resentment within China, but it seems like less of a problem for Chinese people raised outside that environment.
 
2013-04-18 03:10:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: fat boy: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

IIRC, they were given the chance to surrender after the first.

Yes, we gave them many chances to surrender, but Nagasaki would've also been hit pretty much no matter what. Hiroshima was to show the unbelievable superweapon we created that could literally destroy an entire city with one drop. Nagasaki was to show that it wasn't just a one-time weapon and that we did have more and were not willing to accept anything but unconditional surrender.


Often, when someone drops a super weapon on you, it's tempting to accuse them of being desperate and only having the one weapon of that magnitude.  Japan provided evidence that when you start a fight by kicking the biggest kid in the yard directly in the balls in front of his girlfriend, you can't end the fight pinned on the ground after a haymaker by saying, "I bet you can't hit me again, just let me up and I'll get you."
 
2013-04-18 03:19:38 PM  

Gonz: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

I had a similar experience many years ago, when I was a college freshman. Two of my fellow students in an English course were Japanese, and when the subject of the bomb came up, they were VERY passionate and VERY accusatory.

I was much less PC then than I am today. After listening to them for a few minutes, I mentioned Pearl. I don't remember exactly what I said, but the phrase "expected a nickel's worth of change, and got a quarter" was in there.


I bet that was heated conversation.  A sneak attack vs a planned bombing when the people had a chance to get the hell out of there.  Hmmmm.
My uncle told us kids one thing, we can ask about the war, but never ask about pearl harbor.  I'm guessing he saw a lot of his buddies burn, not to mention the clean up afterwards.
 
2013-04-18 03:36:05 PM  

HortusMatris: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.


Violence is almost never the answer.

Sometimes, rarely, it's the only appropriate answer.
 
2013-04-18 03:42:11 PM  
t1.gstatic.com
Didn't think it was that terrible an idea...
 
2013-04-18 03:56:39 PM  
Dang it.  Guess I'll have to watch the Tora Tora Tora display again.

/ What's with all the Dayton hate?
 
2013-04-18 04:05:55 PM  
fat boy:
I spend some time in the Philippines, had some long conversations with those who were around during the Japanese occupation, they still have nothing positive to say about the Japanese. farking barbarians

And I have relatives who lived through the occupation in the Philippines and a grandfather who fought against the Japanese (also in the PI).  And they all say the Japanese rule was dreadful.  Although they all forced to speak a little bit of Japanese... so, I guess there's that.

I've never heard anyone say anything nice about being under Japanese rule (unless they were collaborators... and if they were, they're not saying much about that period).  I have no idea why any folks (Filipinos or any other Asians) would say otherwise.
 
2013-04-18 04:16:57 PM  
This thread reminds me of a book I read in the late 70s. In this hack sci-fi novel, the nuclear test at Trinity worked fine, but some arcane rule of physics was discovered that would prevent the bomb from exploding if ti was dropped from a plane.  So the whole plot dealt with how to simulate a nuclear explosion at Hiroshima.

My google-fu is so far failing me -- anyone have any idea what the title of this book is?
 
2013-04-18 04:40:14 PM  

parkke0108: Dang it.  Guess I'll have to watch the Tora Tora Tora display again.

/ What's with all the Dayton hate?


I don't know if it's still there... but back in the 1980s someone owned one of the Japanese Zero replicas from "Tora Tora Tora!".  It was parked at the Jones Airport near Jenks, OK.  Pretty weird to be outside and see a Zero flying by complete with a fake torpedo underneath.
 
2013-04-18 04:44:14 PM  

LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.


You could have also mentioned Unit 731, the mistreatment and execution of Allied POWs, Korean "comfort" girls, the rape of Nanjing, the mass killing of upwards of 10 million Asian civilians, the use of chemical weapons, cannibalism of both POWs and civilians and the use of forced labor on a scale equal to the Nazis. But I'm sure she missed that day in history class.
 
2013-04-18 04:48:32 PM  

Diogenes: Dammit!  I thought it said Daytona.

/post fail


What's the difference?
 
2013-04-18 04:52:33 PM  
I was on the Indianapolis. We had this little problem with the ship being torpedoed and sunk, and some sharks. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.
 
2013-04-18 04:55:13 PM  

Diogenes: Dammit!  I thought it said Daytona.

/post fail


heh.  no!!!  i say post win!!!  that'd be awesome if they did the re-create over the Daytona 500.  mid-race.
 
2013-04-18 04:56:43 PM  

MBooda: I was on the Indianapolis. We had this little problem with the ship being torpedoed and sunk, and some sharks. Anyway, we delivered the bomb.


i was working in twin falls, idaho in the late 80's...doing a cat scan on this old guy...he started talking...i shut up and listened.  he started to tear up, then so did i...he re-counted his time in the water.

/hats off to all you guys.
 
2013-04-18 04:57:17 PM  
Here's an idea for all of the butthurt protestors: maybe Japan shouldn't have started a war they couldn't finish. Imperial Japan sealed it's own fate with the fatal miscalculation of Pearl Harbor.

/that goes for the rest of the world, too
 
2013-04-18 04:59:00 PM  
Good lord is there anything that won't set you moon-bats into bed wetting mode?
 
2013-04-18 05:02:18 PM  
New airshow attraction announced:

www.upl.co
 
2013-04-18 05:26:18 PM  

scottydoesntknow: fat boy: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

IIRC, they were given the chance to surrender after the first.

Yes, we gave them many chances to surrender, but Nagasaki would've also been hit pretty much no matter what. Hiroshima was to show the unbelievable superweapon we created that could literally destroy an entire city with one drop. Nagasaki was to show that it wasn't just a one-time weapon and that we did have more and were not willing to accept anything but unconditional surrender.


Ex wife is Japanese.  Her point of of view (and I guess what they are taught in their version of history class) was that Japan was only days away from surrendering when we dropped the 1st bomb on them and we knew it. And then we didn't accept their surrender until after the second bomb "because we wanted to test the weapon"

It was a sore subject for her because of all the innocent civilians we killed. I brought up the fact that Japan killed an occasional innocent Korean and Chinese civilian and she got all pissy. Apparenty they don't talk about Nanking there.

Also went and saw Pearl Harbor with her. After it was done, I asked her what she thought. "It was like a comedy" she says. WTF, I ask her.
She says because it wasn't realistic. She had a problem with the Japanese generals planning their attack in a garden (they wouldn't have a secret meeting outside!) and that a shot of Tokyo had a couple of women in kimonos. (Those are party dresses! They wouldn't  wear those in a war!) I tried to explain people still had parties, war or not, but she wasn't having it. Out of everything in the movie, that is what she picked to have a problem with.

She also liked to biatch about how "America tries to be the world police". I said "Well of course. Someone has to do it. Might as well be us. You rather it be Germany or China?
 
2013-04-18 05:47:16 PM  

MythDragon: Ex wife is Japanese.  Her point of of view (and I guess what they are taught in their version of history class) was that Japan was only days away from surrendering when we dropped the 1st bomb on them and we knew it. And then we didn't accept their surrender until after the second bomb "because we wanted to test the weapon"

It was a sore subject for her because of all the innocent civilians we killed. I brought up the fact that Japan killed an occasional innocent Korean and Chinese civilian and she got all pissy. Apparenty they don't talk about Nanking there.

Also went and saw Pearl Harbor with her. After it was done, I asked her what she thought. "It was like a comedy" she says. WTF, I ask her.
She says because it wasn't realistic. She had a problem with the Japanese generals planning their attack in a garden (they wouldn't have a secret meeting outside!) and that a shot of Tokyo had a couple of women in kimonos. (Those are party dresses! They wouldn't  wear those in a war!) I tried to explain people still had parties, war or not, but she wasn't having it. Out of everything in the movie, that is what she picked to have a problem with.

She also liked to biatch about how "America tries to be the world police". I said "Well of course. Someone has to do it. Might as well be us. You rather it be Germany or China?


You said Ex-Wife, right? How did you live with such naivety and stupidity.
 
2013-04-18 06:09:39 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

upload.wikimedia.org

After reading these books (the first is particularly good) I'm neither proud nor ashamed we dropped the bombs, but I'm glad we did and it ended the war.
 
2013-04-18 06:16:48 PM  

MythDragon: Also went and saw Pearl Harbor

(the movie)

My condolences.
 
2013-04-18 06:38:33 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: If memory served the original first target was Tokyo... but due to an American ambassador who had spent some time there he got them to change it due to the cultural significance of the city.


Kyoto, not Tokyo. We'd already destroyed Tokyo with firebombing anyway.
 
2013-04-18 06:42:30 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: Good of them to keep in The Great Wall of Fire simulated napalm strike, though.

Napalm, napalm, sticks like glue,
burns old women and children, too.

Children in the schoolyard,
tryin' to learn,
drop my napalm,
watch 'em burn.

Women in the hospital
givin' birth,
hope my napalm
gets there first.

See those kids
over by the lake?
Drop my napalm,
watch 'em bake!

'Cause napalm sticks to kids!
'Cause napalm sticks to kids!

/Not proud of that.
//Blame military school.



We shoot the sick, the young, the lame, We do our best to maim, Because the kills all count the same, Napalm sticks to kids.
Flying low across the trees, Pilots doing what they please, Dropping frags on refugees,
Napalm sticks to kids.
Goods in the open, making hay, But I can hear the gunships say, "There'll be no Chieu Hoi today, "
Napalm sticks to kids.
See those farmers over there, Watch me get them with a pair, Blood and guts just everywhere,
Napalm sticks to kids.
I've only seen it happen twice, But both times it was mighty nice, Shooting peasants planting rice, Napalm sticks to kids.
Napalm, son, is lots of fun, Dropped in a bomb or shot from a gun, It gets the gooks when on the run, Napalm sticks to kids.
Drop some napalm on a farm, It won't do them any harm, Just burn off their legs and arms,
Napalm sticks to kids.
CIA with guns for hire, Montagnards around a fire, Napalm makes the fire go higher,
Napalm sticks to kids.
I've been told it's not so neat, To catch gooks burning in the street, But burning flesh, it smells to sweet,
Napalm sticks to kids.
Children sucking on a mother's tit, Wounded gooks down in a pit, Dow Chemical doesn't give a shiat, Napalm sticks to kids.
Bombardiers don't care a bit, Just as long as the pieces fit, When you stuff the bodies in a pit,
Napalm sticks to kids.
Eighteen kids in a No Fire Zone, Rooks under arms and going home, Last in line goes home alone,
Napalm sticks to kids.
 Chuck in a sampan, sitting in the stern, They don't think their boats will burn, Those damn gooks will never learn,
Napalm sticks to kids.
Cobras flying in the sun, Killing gooks is lots of fun, Get one pregnant and it's two for one,
Napalm sticks to kids.
Shoot civilians where they sit, Take some pictures as you split, All your life you'll remember it,
Napalm sticks to kids.
NVA are all hard core, Flechettes never are a bore, Throw those PSYOPS out the door,
Napalm sticks to kids.
Gather kids as you fly over town, By throwing candy on the ground, Then grease 'em when they gather 'round,
Napalm sticks to kids.
 
2013-04-18 06:47:59 PM  

MythDragon: scottydoesntknow: fat boy: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

IIRC, they were given the chance to surrender after the first.

Yes, we gave them many chances to surrender, but Nagasaki would've also been hit pretty much no matter what. Hiroshima was to show the unbelievable superweapon we created that could literally destroy an entire city with one drop. Nagasaki was to show that it wasn't just a one-time weapon and that we did have more and were not willing to accept anything but unconditional surrender.

Ex wife is Japanese.  Her point of of view (and I guess what they are taught in their version of history class) was that Japan was only days away from surrendering when we dropped the 1st bomb on them and we knew it. And then we didn't accept their surrender until after the second bomb "because we wanted to test the weapon"

It was a sore subject for her because of all the innocent civilians we killed. I brought up the fact that Japan killed an occasional innocent Korean and Chinese civilian and she got all pissy. Apparenty they don't talk about Nanking there.

Also went and saw Pearl Harbor with her. After it was done, I asked her what she thought. "It was like a comedy" she says. WTF, I ask her.
She says because it wasn't realistic. She had a problem with the Japanese generals planning their attack in a garden (they wouldn't have a secret meeting outside!) and that a shot of Tokyo had a couple of women in kimonos. (Those are party dresses! They wouldn't  wear those in a war!) I tried ...


Well she was right about Pearl Harbor. I also thought it was a comedy, because it damn sure wasn't an action movie.

It's funny how history is told in different countries. One of my college friends was born in Oklahoma, but moved to China when he was like 6 (Beijing for a majority of it). He said the history classes made Japan look like pure evil. You could tell there was animosity in the instructor's voice as he taught about it.
 
2013-04-18 07:01:54 PM  

LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.


Should have just sent her a link to the wikipedia page. The things that the Japanese did during the war rivaled anything done by the Nazi's they just get talked about less.
 
2013-04-18 07:21:00 PM  

IC Stars: This thread reminds me of a book I read in the late 70s. In this hack sci-fi novel, the nuclear test at Trinity worked fine, but some arcane rule of physics was discovered that would prevent the bomb from exploding if ti was dropped from a plane.  So the whole plot dealt with how to simulate a nuclear explosion at Hiroshima.

My google-fu is so far failing me -- anyone have any idea what the title of this book is?

The Jesus Factor

by Edwin Corley.  Loved it.
 
2013-04-18 08:25:18 PM  
Well, if they want to re-enact Hiroshima then we get to re-enact the battle of Pearl Harbor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcSMaNlcDPs

Fair's fair.
 
2013-04-18 09:15:44 PM  

AtlanticCoast63: IC Stars: This thread reminds me of a book I read in the late 70s. In this hack sci-fi novel, the nuclear test at Trinity worked fine, but some arcane rule of physics was discovered that would prevent the bomb from exploding if ti was dropped from a plane.  So the whole plot dealt with how to simulate a nuclear explosion at Hiroshima.

My google-fu is so far failing me -- anyone have any idea what the title of this book is?

The Jesus Factor by Edwin Corley.  Loved it.


Thanks -- the power of Fark is remarkable.
 
2013-04-18 10:55:43 PM  
My dad worked with a veteran whose ship was sunk in the Pacific. Japs picked him up, and stored him, and hundreds of others like cargo and headed back to Japan to put them working for Mitsubishi I believe. He told my dad that every evening the japs would pull several prisoners up to the deck to be shot, beheaded etc..infront of other prisoners while the ship officers sat and had tea. My dad didn't even know this guy was in the war until they had a survivor parade of that ship's sailors. It was necessary to bomb that generation of savage nips. Torturing bastards. And I bet 30 comfort women that if horus porus in this thread was facing going to Japan for a ground invasion, than he would have thanked his lucky stars when hearing of the bombings. Better them than us dipsh't
 
2013-04-18 11:35:21 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: parkke0108: Dang it.  Guess I'll have to watch the Tora Tora Tora display again.

/ What's with all the Dayton hate?

I don't know if it's still there... but back in the 1980s someone owned one of the Japanese Zero replicas from "Tora Tora Tora!".  It was parked at the Jones Airport near Jenks, OK.  Pretty weird to be outside and see a Zero flying by complete with a fake torpedo underneath.


If it had a "fake torpedo", that would have been a Nakajima B5N ("Kate") torpedo plane replica (whatever plane Hollyweird dressed up to look like a Kate).
 
2013-04-18 11:37:01 PM  

solitary: LeroyBourne: We had a Japanese foreign exchange student during my hs years. One day, in our ethics class the WW2 subject came up and she was visibly very angry over it. She kept saying "YOU" guys didn't have to drop 2 bombs, and she kept say "YOU guys". Everyone in the class was very supportive that people in her family were effected by it, but no one in this class had anything to do with dropping those bombs. Hell, my uncle was at pearl harbor when the shiat went down. I guess I should have thrown that in her face.

I was living in Tokyo when 9/11 happened and you can bet your bottom dollar there was gloating. They won't forget Hiroshima any time soon.


Good.
 
2013-04-19 12:30:47 AM  

ObeliskToucher: Tsar_Bomba1: parkke0108: Dang it.  Guess I'll have to watch the Tora Tora Tora display again.

/ What's with all the Dayton hate?

I don't know if it's still there... but back in the 1980s someone owned one of the Japanese Zero replicas from "Tora Tora Tora!".  It was parked at the Jones Airport near Jenks, OK.  Pretty weird to be outside and see a Zero flying by complete with a fake torpedo underneath.

If it had a "fake torpedo", that would have been a Nakajima B5N ("Kate") torpedo plane replica (whatever plane Hollyweird dressed up to look like a Kate).


North American T-6s, and they were a lot more than just "dressed up" . The resemblance between the movie's replicas and the real thing is striking. They did a very good job of reproducing a plane of which no survivors are known to exist.
 
2013-04-19 05:33:55 AM  
Who the Fark cares? Go eat some sushi anf go cry in the corner.
 
2013-04-19 08:09:17 AM  
Kinda CSB:  In the late 90s I was assigned to Shaw AFB in SC, and was getting gas at the BX when I heard something that didn't sound at all right - looked up to see the CAF 'Tora, Tora, Tora" flight making a pass down the runway.  Turned out they were on their way to an airshow and the CINC 9th Air Force (hq's at Shaw) knew people who made the arrangements.  Imagine just for a second, watching six WWII Japanese planes fly past a ramp loaded with F-16s.....lined up just the way they were at Hickam Field at Pearl Harbor...

/and for a hell of a story about the fun you can have with airshows and live ammo:

ecx.images-amazon.com

//you'll thank me for it
 
2013-04-19 10:17:21 AM  

capt.hollister: ObeliskToucher: Tsar_Bomba1: parkke0108: Dang it.  Guess I'll have to watch the Tora Tora Tora display again.

/ What's with all the Dayton hate?

I don't know if it's still there... but back in the 1980s someone owned one of the Japanese Zero replicas from "Tora Tora Tora!".  It was parked at the Jones Airport near Jenks, OK.  Pretty weird to be outside and see a Zero flying by complete with a fake torpedo underneath.

If it had a "fake torpedo", that would have been a Nakajima B5N ("Kate") torpedo plane replica (whatever plane Hollyweird dressed up to look like a Kate).

North American T-6s, and they were a lot more than just "dressed up" . The resemblance between the movie's replicas and the real thing is striking. They did a very good job of reproducing a plane of which no survivors are known to exist.


A regular T-6 (in this case, an SNJ)
www.warbirdregistry.org

A B5N Kate - no complete model survived the war intact
www.wwiivehicles.com

A T-6 converted to look like a Kate
www.warbirdregistry.org

A Vultee BT-13 Valiant
avionswwii.free.fr

Several BT-13s were converted to Kates for Tora! Tora! Tora!
This particular CAF model is a BT-13 with several T-6 parts engineered to replicate a B5N
farm4.staticflickr.com
 
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