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2013-04-18 11:01:38 AM  
There aren't many black people in Australia (they don't count the Aborigines as black). It is still mainly a white country. I have friends there and see pictures on Facebook they put up of their kids playing sports and kids at school and it's mostly all white kids (mostly blonds). In 2009 on an Australian TV talent show a group of white guys (all highly educated doctors) performed in black face as the Jackson 5. The world was outraged and Australia was like "What? Was that wrong?"
 
2013-04-18 11:05:44 AM  
Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.
assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-04-18 11:13:17 AM  
"Arkansas with a Beach"
 
2013-04-18 11:14:46 AM  
I think subby is having trouble writing headlines...
 
2013-04-18 11:16:26 AM  
.. No mistreating the abbos... If anyone's looking. Too right, Bruce.
 
2013-04-18 11:17:44 AM  
What do you expect from a bunch of Nazis?!
 
2013-04-18 11:18:17 AM  

Walker: There aren't many black people in Australia (they don't count the Aborigines as black). It is still mainly a white country. I have friends there and see pictures on Facebook they put up of their kids playing sports and kids at school and it's mostly all white kids (mostly blonds). In 2009 on an Australian TV talent show a group of white guys (all highly educated doctors) performed in black face as the Jackson 5. The world was outraged and Australia was like "What? Was that wrong?"


Don't forget that 'Coon' is a major brand of cheese over there too...

Aborgines do count as black, the tv show dedicated to aboriginal affairs over there is called "Living Black". It's just that there aren't enough black folks of African descent in the country to have a category of their own. Or historically there haven't been, I think the demographics are shifting slightly.
 
2013-04-18 11:18:21 AM  
I'm just glad we're not a country settled by the cast-offs of Europe.
 
2013-04-18 11:18:44 AM  
In America, a country peopled for hundreds of years with the fundies of Britain...etc, etc
 
2013-04-18 11:20:52 AM  

Witty_Retort: I'm just glad we're not a country settled by the cast-offs of Europe.


They got the criminals, we got the fundies.

//Yes, I know there were penal colonies in the US.
 
2013-04-18 11:21:19 AM  
Aboriginal Aussies. Note the woman has the thumb-erection from playing his didgeridoo. They're celebrating their pigment swap with John Boehner, who also has an erection (off screen).


assets.vice.com
 
2013-04-18 11:21:40 AM  

Witty_Retort: I'm just glad we're not a country settled by the cast-offs of Europe.


I sea what you did there
 
2013-04-18 11:22:49 AM  
Racism is sad. These incidents are not a big deal really. Ignorant people, when tired, drunk or high will say stuff like that. Just ignore them.

Racism is denying people access to public transportation, schooling etc.  This is just a woman being dumb.
 
2013-04-18 11:23:25 AM  
Came for summer heights high reference, leaving disappointed.
 
2013-04-18 11:24:17 AM  
Umm, there were race riots when I was there in 2000.

Old news, etc.
 
2013-04-18 11:26:24 AM  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4AchHTN-XQ

Obligatory.

Not even close to safe for work.
 
GBB
2013-04-18 11:26:40 AM  
Jesus, I have a bird in my backyard that squawks less annoying than that woman.  Do they all sound like that down there?
 
2013-04-18 11:29:29 AM  

GBB: Jesus, I have a bird in my backyard that squawks less annoying than that woman.  Do they all sound like that down there?


cdn1.tabletmag.com

Indeed they do, my son. Go forth in peace.
 
2013-04-18 11:31:18 AM  

GBB: Jesus, I have a bird in my backyard that squawks less annoying than that woman.  Do they all sound like that down there?


For the most part. Some are squawkier than others. But you get used to it.
 
2013-04-18 11:32:35 AM  

Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x418]


You know, I have to wonder if this is a case of us getting butthurt over nothing?  We don't complain when people all over the place reenact "the thriller".  We didn't complain when Downey was playing a black man in 'Tropic Thunder'*.  I mean, the idea of a group of white people doing the 'Jackson 5', with the guy playing MJ in <i>whiteface</i> is getting into social commentary/parody on a number of levels, keeping in mind that he was an international figure.  Peruse political cartoons and you typically don't see a whole lot of subtly.

Roughly speaking, free speech isn't free if you're not free to offend people.  It still isn't free if you have to analyze WORLD OPINION for everything you're going to do.

*Though that might have to do that he did a really good job at it.
 
2013-04-18 11:40:28 AM  
But there's no problem with the sheepdip right?
osopher.files.wordpress.com
/crack tube
 
2013-04-18 11:42:18 AM  
fark you miss.
 
2013-04-18 11:48:24 AM  
Reading subby's headline made my brain hurt.
 
2013-04-18 11:49:05 AM  
Maybe I'm thick today (it's been a very bad month indeed) but what the heck is "social scavenging"?
 
2013-04-18 11:49:33 AM  

GBB: Jesus, I have a bird in my backyard that squawks less annoying than that woman.  Do they all sound like that down there?


I couldn't even tell what she was so pissed off about.  All I heard was "Sickened Wuld Wah" over and over again.
 
2013-04-18 11:50:07 AM  
*crosses Australia off my to-visit list*

New Zealand is prettier and gayer anyway.
 
2013-04-18 11:50:23 AM  

Marine1: GBB: Jesus, I have a bird in my backyard that squawks less annoying than that woman.  Do they all sound like that down there?

[cdn1.tabletmag.com image 399x500]

Indeed they do, my son. Go forth in peace.


I KNEW IT!  The love child of John Lennon and Marty Feldman IS the Son of God!
 
2013-04-18 11:51:08 AM  

Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.


I believe Harry Connick Jr. was one of the judges (could be wrong) and he just stood there with his mouth hanging open. Later he said that we don't do stuff like that in America.
 
2013-04-18 11:51:22 AM  
It's a testament to the ability of American Education to feed whitewashed revisionist history and program it to American children  that Australia was the only British colony that was on the receiving end of  The Transportation Act.

Meanwhile, all those Irish and Scottish got to America  in the 18th Century because of ..... "freedom".
 
2013-04-18 11:55:43 AM  

Firethorn: Roughly speaking, free speech isn't free if you're not free to offend people. It still isn't free if you have to analyze WORLD OPINION for everything you're going to do.


Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Speaking as an Aussie (citizenship, haven't lived there apart for two and a half years before I turned 10)...Australians are racist as fark.  Some of the bogans can be pretty clueless, too.  I'm not sure what the Aborigines thought of white Australians screaming "We grew here, you flew here" at Lebanese immigrants.
 
2013-04-18 11:58:12 AM  
While generally congenial and nice people, Austrailia does contain a homegrown demographic of  "hillbilly"  that is every bit as frightening and ignorant and coarse as anything found in Appalachia, particularly in the Outback regions.   While  America at least has the common decency and tact to quarantine theirs from the world at large,   you can find the Aussie version all over Indonesia and Southeast Asia.
 
2013-04-18 12:01:22 PM  

stonent: Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.

I believe Harry Connick Jr. was one of the judges (could be wrong) and he just stood there with his mouth hanging open. Later he said that we don't do stuff like that in America.


Yeah, he was the one who pointed out it was wrong. The Aussies didn't get why he was offended at first.
 
2013-04-18 12:02:36 PM  
 
2013-04-18 12:03:20 PM  
I'll never get used to this formatting.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:08 PM  
A country that had a "Whites Only" immigration policy up until 1975, may have a racism problem?
 
2013-04-18 12:08:58 PM  
Too much of sunshine too much of sky
It's enough to make you wanna cry
 
2013-04-18 12:08:58 PM  
A country that had an official policy to steal aboriginal children from their parents and force them into domestic servitude up until the 1970s, may have a racism problem?
 
2013-04-18 12:09:30 PM  

Walker: stonent: Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.

I believe Harry Connick Jr. was one of the judges (could be wrong) and he just stood there with his mouth hanging open. Later he said that we don't do stuff like that in America.

Yeah, he was the one who pointed out it was wrong. The Aussies didn't get why he was offended at first.


Obviously, he was offended by the historical inaccuracy.

I mean, everyone knows Michael Jackson still appeared to be black when he was with the Jackson 5... Even at the Motown 25th performance.
 
2013-04-18 12:17:29 PM  
This is horrid. I used to live in Melbourne and can honestly say that this feral woman is in the gross minority. Vocal for sure, but the minority.

/CSB: used to work with the guy in the video's sister
 
2013-04-18 12:19:01 PM  
Australians are usually the craziest, rudest, and most racist people I meet in my travels.
The one's the come out from that prison colony are usually on a long fark anything that moves adventure.

m.ruvr.ru

(Pictured above: Natives not amused by the Aussies)
 
2013-04-18 12:20:39 PM  
 
2013-04-18 12:30:36 PM  
I love the part that basically says, 1960s America granted Civil Rights partly to lure more Indians in order to fight the Soviets.  Ergo, Tolerance won the Cold War.

Did I miss something? Is this true at all?  Didn't we fight the Nazis the catch the rocket Nazis to fight the 'Now We Have Nukes' Soviets who capurted anyone who tripped over the Iron Curtain to fight Capitalism which defends market exploitation, cheese burgers and freedom fries? Why would we need a defense policy (not civil rights) to 'lure' rocket Indians then?

/guess we ran out of rocket Nazis.  Maybe that's what he's saying...
//I'm good now.
 
2013-04-18 12:36:05 PM  
a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

Welcome Wagon.  Got your gift basket right down here, Mate.
 
2013-04-18 12:38:14 PM  

Firethorn: Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x418]

You know, I have to wonder if this is a case of us getting butthurt over nothing?  We don't complain when people all over the place reenact "the thriller".  We didn't complain when Downey was playing a black man in 'Tropic Thunder'*.  I mean, the idea of a group of white people doing the 'Jackson 5', with the guy playing MJ in <i>whiteface</i> is getting into social commentary/parody on a number of levels, keeping in mind that he was an international figure.  Peruse political cartoons and you typically don't see a whole lot of subtly.

Roughly speaking, free speech isn't free if you're not free to offend people.  It still isn't free if you have to analyze WORLD OPINION for everything you're going to do.

*Though that might have to do that he did a really good job at it.


i guess it would be like calling every black person you see hey" ni****r"  n being all like

"what, was that wrong?  should I not have done that?  Irish are n*****rs too, what's the big deal?"

it has a historically horrible racist context, and there's no way to change that now.
 
2013-04-18 12:38:34 PM  
But of course he would have known the origin of Iocaine powder
www.smudgeworld.net
 
2013-04-18 12:39:23 PM  

Bondith: Speaking as an Aussie (citizenship, haven't lived there apart for two and a half years before I turned 10)...Australians are racist as fark.  Some of the bogans can be pretty clueless, too.  I'm not sure what the Aborigines thought of white Australians screaming "We grew here, you flew here" at Lebanese immigrants.


Australian Aborigines: humanity's original Wetbacks®...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-18 12:41:08 PM  
"They're called Bungs (pronounce booung) because that's the sound your car makes when you hit 'em."

Was told to me by residents - didn't seem much worse than say, any other rural ill-educated area.
-1 would not buy from again.

OTOH, everywhere has it in one form or another.  Even Belgians look down on someone.
"Everybody's gotta hate somebody son"
It gives society something to work on and talk about I suppose.

pretty sad all the same.
 
2013-04-18 12:42:05 PM  
Why not just smile and give everyone a Vegemite sandwich? Yeah, yeah.
 
2013-04-18 12:52:11 PM  
KingCunCun:
I love the part that basically says, 1960s America granted Civil Rights partly to lure more Indians in order to fight the Soviets.  Ergo, Tolerance won the Cold War.

Did I miss something? Is this true at all?  Didn't we fight the Nazis the catch the rocket Nazis to fight the 'Now We Have Nukes' Soviets who capurted anyone who tripped over the Iron Curtain to fight Capitalism which defends market exploitation, cheese burgers and freedom fries? Why would we need a defense policy (not civil rights) to 'lure' rocket Indians then?

/guess we ran out of rocket Nazis.  Maybe that's what he's saying...
//I'm good now.


I tried to look up the reason for America changing its immigration policy in '65, because the article writer attributed a really radical change in US policy due to wanting to attract Indian engineers and doctors in specific, which sounds odd to me.  There are certainly a lot of other countries who had plenty of technicians/medical folks at the time who wanted to immigrate to the US and plenty of other reasons to change that policy.There is little written on the net (even Wiki is vague on the reasons) that I saw on the actual reasons for the change in policy as its impact on America is almost as radical as the Civil Rights Act of '64. Immigration from non-western countries changed America a lot.  Certainly, my parents and I wouldn't be here but for that bill.  We came in the 70's.
 
2013-04-18 12:53:07 PM  

Firethorn: Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x418]

You know, I have to wonder if this is a case of us getting butthurt over nothing?  We don't complain when people all over the place reenact "the thriller".  We didn't complain when Downey was playing a black man in 'Tropic Thunder'*.  I mean, the idea of a group of white people doing the 'Jackson 5', with the guy playing MJ in <i>whiteface</i> is getting into social commentary/parody on a number of levels, keeping in mind that he was an international figure.  Peruse political cartoons and you typically don't see a whole lot of subtly.

Roughly speaking, free speech isn't free if you're not free to offend people.  It still isn't free if you have to analyze WORLD OPINION for everything you're going to do.

*Though that might have to do that he did a really good job at it.


Free speech means people who disagree with what you say are free to respond.  It stops being free when the government censors you.

/And if anyone disagrees with me, I'm calling the FBI!
//sarc
 
2013-04-18 01:02:50 PM  

NostroZ: Australians are usually the craziest, funniest, and most friendly people that I've met in my travels.



FTFY
 
2013-04-18 01:10:43 PM  

MBooda: But there's no problem with the sheepdip right?
[osopher.files.wordpress.com image 400x282]
/crack tube


No mistreating the abos... where anyone can see you.
 
2013-04-18 01:18:17 PM  

SirEattonHogg: KingCunCun:
I love the part that basically says, 1960s America granted Civil Rights partly to lure more Indians in order to fight the Soviets.  Ergo, Tolerance won the Cold War.

Did I miss something? Is this true at all?  Didn't we fight the Nazis the catch the rocket Nazis to fight the 'Now We Have Nukes' Soviets who capurted anyone who tripped over the Iron Curtain to fight Capitalism which defends market exploitation, cheese burgers and freedom fries? Why would we need a defense policy (not civil rights) to 'lure' rocket Indians then?

/guess we ran out of rocket Nazis.  Maybe that's what he's saying...
//I'm good now.

I tried to look up the reason for America changing its immigration policy in '65, because the article writer attributed a really radical change in US policy due to wanting to attract Indian engineers and doctors in specific, which sounds odd to me.  There are certainly a lot of other countries who had plenty of technicians/medical folks at the time who wanted to immigrate to the US and plenty of other reasons to change that policy.There is little written on the net (even Wiki is vague on the reasons) that I saw on the actual reasons for the change in policy as its impact on America is almost as radical as the Civil Rights Act of '64. Immigration from non-western countries changed America a lot.  Certainly, my parents and I wouldn't be here but for that bill.  We came in the 70's.


Right? I do clearly see advantages of a more overall open door immigration policy to keep up with the Soviets at the time. Though, like you stated, how the author states Civil Rights in the US as a an act purposely for Indians to assist in the cold war, is bittttttt much. Not Jim Crow, not the Klan?  What was that again about ignorance?
 
2013-04-18 01:20:55 PM  

KingCunCun: SirEattonHogg: KingCunCun:
I love the part that basically says, 1960s America granted Civil Rights partly to lure more Indians in order to fight the Soviets.  Ergo, Tolerance won the Cold War.

Did I miss something? Is this true at all?  Didn't we fight the Nazis the catch the rocket Nazis to fight the 'Now We Have Nukes' Soviets who capurted anyone who tripped over the Iron Curtain to fight Capitalism which defends market exploitation, cheese burgers and freedom fries? Why would we need a defense policy (not civil rights) to 'lure' rocket Indians then?

/guess we ran out of rocket Nazis.  Maybe that's what he's saying...
//I'm good now.

I tried to look up the reason for America changing its immigration policy in '65, because the article writer attributed a really radical change in US policy due to wanting to attract Indian engineers and doctors in specific, which sounds odd to me.  There are certainly a lot of other countries who had plenty of technicians/medical folks at the time who wanted to immigrate to the US and plenty of other reasons to change that policy.There is little written on the net (even Wiki is vague on the reasons) that I saw on the actual reasons for the change in policy as its impact on America is almost as radical as the Civil Rights Act of '64. Immigration from non-western countries changed America a lot.  Certainly, my parents and I wouldn't be here but for that bill.  We came in the 70's.

Right? I do clearly see advantages of a more overall open door immigration policy to keep up with the Soviets at the time. Though, like you stated, how the author states Civil Rights in the US as a an act purposely for Indians to assist in the cold war, is bittttttt much. Not Jim Crow, not the Klan?  What was that again about ignorance?


I can't imagine them even being a red dot on the radar back in 65
 
2013-04-18 01:32:43 PM  
KingCunCun:   Right? I do clearly see advantages of a more overall open door immigration policy to keep up with the Soviets at the time. Though, like you stated, how the author states Civil Rights in the US as a an act purposely for Indians to assist in the cold war, isbittttttt much. Not Jim Crow, not the Klan?  What was that again about ignorance?


My parents being from the medical field did say that the US has a shortage of doctors and nurses at the time. However, that being the main reason for a total revamp of the entire US immigration policy seems dubious.  Further, the doctors who did come into the US at the time (60's and 70's) were from places like the Philippines, Hong Kong AND India (and Pakistan).

I always thought it was due to our being involved in fighting in Vietnam/indochina and having bases in other parts of the world, so it seemed a bit stupid for us to have a racist immigration policy when we were supposed to be the supposed defenders of the "free world".

But its just Indian doctors and technicians of course.  Okay.
 
2013-04-18 01:35:54 PM  

KingCunCun: I love the part that basically says, 1960s America granted Civil Rights partly to lure more Indians in order to fight the Soviets.  Ergo, Tolerance won the Cold War.

Did I miss something? Is this true at all?  Didn't we fight the Nazis the catch the rocket Nazis to fight the 'Now We Have Nukes' Soviets who capurted anyone who tripped over the Iron Curtain to fight Capitalism which defends market exploitation, cheese burgers and freedom fries? Why would we need a defense policy (not civil rights) to 'lure' rocket Indians then?

/guess we ran out of rocket Nazis.  Maybe that's what he's saying...
//I'm good now.


No, it's horseshiat.  Indian doctors weren't on anyone in America's radar screen in 1965, when the Immigration and Nationality Act was passed.  Nor was anyone thinking very hard about immigration from Latin America, simply because there hadn't been much up to that time.

But we did have an immigration act, passed in 1924, that was more or less designed to keep the USA's ethnic balance from changing further (it had changed a lot because of massive immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe from the late 1800s until WWI).  From World War I until the late 60s there was very little immigration to the United States from anywhere.
 
2013-04-18 01:48:32 PM  

Fano: KingCunCun: SirEattonHogg: KingCunCun:
I love the part that basically says, 1960s America granted Civil Rights partly to lure more Indians in order to fight the Soviets.  Ergo, Tolerance won the Cold War.

Did I miss something? Is this true at all?  Didn't we fight the Nazis the catch the rocket Nazis to fight the 'Now We Have Nukes' Soviets who capurted anyone who tripped over the Iron Curtain to fight Capitalism which defends market exploitation, cheese burgers and freedom fries? Why would we need a defense policy (not civil rights) to 'lure' rocket Indians then?

/guess we ran out of rocket Nazis.  Maybe that's what he's saying...
//I'm good now.


Came to ask the same question because the author really seemed to stretch on that one.

I tried to look up the reason for America changing its immigration policy in '65, because the article writer attributed a really radical change in US policy due to wanting to attract Indian engineers and doctors in specific, which sounds odd to me.  There are certainly a lot of other countries who had plenty of technicians/medical folks at the time who wanted to immigrate to the US and plenty of other reasons to change that policy.There is little written on the net (even Wiki is vague on the reasons) that I saw on the actual reasons for the change in policy as its impact on America is almost as radical as the Civil Rights Act of '64. Immigration from non-western countries changed America a lot.  Certainly, my parents and I wouldn't be here but for that bill.  We came in the 70's.

Being a child of the 80's I don't have much knowledge on the subject, but maybe what caused immigration policy to change was the Civil Rights Act? Title VI of the CRA `64:  Prevents discrimination by government agencies that receive federal funds. If an agency is found in violation of Title VI, that agency may lose its federal funding.

INS is a government agency after all.

Right? I do clearly see advantages of a more overall open door immigration policy to keep up with the Soviets at the time. Though, like you stated, how the author states Civil Rights in the US as a an act purposely for Indians to assist in the cold war, is bittttttt much. Not Jim Crow, not the Klan?  What was that again about ignorance?

Being an ignorant of this whole idea I'll admit that I didn't know that India's education system was at that level at that time. Not saying that they didn't have a good system, just didn't know that they produced a lot of rocket scientist/engineers at the time.


I can't imagine them even being a red dot on the radar back in 65

/i see what you did there
 
2013-04-18 01:53:25 PM  

links136: it has a historically horrible racist context, and there's no way to change that now.


Horribly racist context in the USA.  Other countries don't have the same rules, and despite perceptions, Australia isn't part of the USA.  Sort of like how the Swastika now has horrible context for 'Western' civilizations, but not for Eastern ones.  That's why I said 'consider global opinion'.  Do we really want to have to worry how Middle-Eastern and African nations will take stuff we broadcast mostly internally?

Besides, I gave an example of a white actor dressing up in blackface and getting a good reception - Tropic Thunder.

Don't let the racists make us have whole books of actions we have to be careful not to do in order to not associate ourselves with them.
 
2013-04-18 01:54:52 PM  

Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.
[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x418]


That offends you?! You devote brain space to worrying about things like that?
 
2013-04-18 02:04:03 PM  
Billy, take your mum home, she's faced again.
 
2013-04-18 02:05:14 PM  

Firethorn: links136: it has a historically horrible racist context, and there's no way to change that now.

Horribly racist context in the USA.  Other countries don't have the same rules, and despite perceptions, Australia isn't part of the USA.  Sort of like how the Swastika now has horrible context for 'Western' civilizations, but not for Eastern ones.  That's why I said 'consider global opinion'.  Do we really want to have to worry how Middle-Eastern and African nations will take stuff we broadcast mostly internally?

Besides, I gave an example of a white actor dressing up in blackface and getting a good reception - Tropic Thunder.

Don't let the racists make us have whole books of actions we have to be careful not to do in order to not associate ourselves with them.


I hate it when people use Tropic Thunder as an example. He wasn't playing a black man. He was a white man playing a white actor playing black face, which is what made it so ridiculous. That was half of the joke.
 
2013-04-18 02:32:43 PM  
Paging all the butt hurt thin skinned Aussies.  All butt hurt thin-skinned Aussies please report to Fark for a hissy fit of denial and offense-taking.
 
2013-04-18 02:40:04 PM  

NostroZ: Australians are usually the craziest, rudest, and most racist people I meet in my travels.
The one's the come out from that prison colony are usually on a long fark anything that moves adventure.

[m.ruvr.ru image 460x268]

(Pictured above: Natives not amused by the Aussies)


Go on...
 
2013-04-18 02:46:39 PM  

Gothnet: Walker: There aren't many black people in Australia (they don't count the Aborigines as black). It is still mainly a white country. I have friends there and see pictures on Facebook they put up of their kids playing sports and kids at school and it's mostly all white kids (mostly blonds). In 2009 on an Australian TV talent show a group of white guys (all highly educated doctors) performed in black face as the Jackson 5. The world was outraged and Australia was like "What? Was that wrong?"

Don't forget that 'Coon' is a major brand of cheese over there too...

Aborgines do count as black, the tv show dedicated to aboriginal affairs over there is called "Living Black". It's just that there aren't enough black folks of African descent in the country to have a category of their own. Or historically there haven't been, I think the demographics are shifting slightly.


Wasn't Coon the last name of the fellow that created the cheese?
 
2013-04-18 02:59:05 PM  
After visiting Oz for the long period of a week, this was strikingly obvious.  Aussies referred to all Islanders openly as "Darkies" and considered the effort to bring Aborigenes into white families not-so-bad.  I'm also from the south, so I am confronted by tongue in cheek and pretty overt racism on the regs.  These guys didn't even try.

/usually 5% of people screw it up for everyone, and I was in Sydney on Australia day when a bunch out their rednecks came out in Austalian Flag Capes and Speedos rocking the most biatchin' mullets I've seen on god's green earth.  As I'm typing this I realize they're not too different from the south, just nationalistic for another country.
// 'Murrica
/// Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi
 
2013-04-18 03:03:15 PM  

kmfjd: Wasn't Coon the last name of the fellow that created the cheese?


It's also the last name of a cat from Up East.
 
2013-04-18 03:09:10 PM  
Paging all the butt hurt thin skinned Aussies.  All butt hurt thin-skinned Aussies please report to Fark for a hissy fit of denial and offense-takin


Interesting. I'm not Aussie, but I see all the whiny butthurt coming from the other side. But please, continue your noble fight to stamp out "racism" across the globe!
 
2013-04-18 03:09:25 PM  
Anecdotal evidence here, but 1/2 my family lives there.  Yes, there has always been a problem with both racism and misogyny.  Not going to classify every Australian... because I know some younger members of my family are very active in the gay rights movement (and they're not gay, just progressive)... but yeah, far too many are stuck in an era similar to 1950s USA.

There is a progressive movement happening.  Decades too late, but its there.
 
2013-04-18 03:27:47 PM  
The most racist people I've ever met in my entire life were Australians.

Anecdote!
 
2013-04-18 03:36:16 PM  
Corporate types and their government flunkies prefer hiring foreigners over local nationals for white-collar positions during a long period of economic decline, in a small tightly-knit country.  Amazingly, some bigots have a problem with this.
 
2013-04-18 03:39:33 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Corporate types and their government flunkies prefer hiring foreigners skilled people over local nationals lazy-ass entitled whiners for white-collar positions during a long period of economic decline, in a small tightly-knit country.  Amazingly, some bigots have a problem with this.


FTFY
 
2013-04-18 03:57:33 PM  

Lollipop165: I hate it when people use Tropic Thunder as an example. He wasn't playing a black man. He was a white man playing a white actor playing black face, which is what made it so ridiculous. That was half of the joke.


And the skit wasn't ridiculous?  I mean, they had their 'MJ' wearing white face to be part of the joke.

I've been ambushed by 'that's supposed to be racist' stuff before, when race never even entered my thought process.  I don't make fun of black people.  I make fun of Michael Jackson.  Sometimes race becomes involved with that, normally along the line of 'Only in America will a black man attempt to be a white woman*'.  Not exactly high humor, I know, but if you really get into it it's because I feel that while he had the right to do what he did, I felt it was stupid to do because of the bad effects and most importantly that it would ultimately not make him happy, thus being worthless.  Same with abusing drugs and all that.

*Because I felt that he looked a lot more girly with the nose jobs.
 
2013-04-18 04:29:14 PM  
Lollipop165:

I hate it when people use Tropic Thunder as an example. He wasn't playing a black man. He was a white man playing a white actor playing black face, which is what made it so ridiculous. That was half of the joke.
~
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Hate it, do you? Gee I wonder why.


Then you go on to say a white man in blackface in *this* example gets a free pass because the back story is sufficiently goofy. Love your work.


Here's a back story for you. One that our race-baiting bigot friend, Walker, has conveniently left out of his numerous comments:


1. The pic of six guys in blackface was from a popular segment of a long running TV variety show in Australia. The segment was called Red Faces and it was basically a copy of The Gong Show, but much shorter. Three contestants, and it was all over in 15[?] minutes.


2. The variety show, Hey Hey It's Saturday!, one time cult viewing and long reigning king of its time slot, had a slow sad demise before it was eventually yanked. A couple of years after that, one, maybe two, big shows were organised. A final hurrah.


3. A "Best Of" Red Faces was organised, where they would invite back the most popular and infamous guests to relive their performances.


4. Embarrassing to say, but that blackface skit was one of the show's most popular performances, and it didn't cause a ripple the first time around.


5. The original skit happened FARKING YONKS AGO. The fellas were actively courted by the producers to come back and RE CREATE a famous moment in the show's history.


6. The lead singer was dark skinned [Anglo Indian, I think] and possibly one other member of the group as well.


Now, just like you, Lollipop165, I am deeming that back story to be sufficient for a blackface performance to get a free pass.


Ta daa!
 
2013-04-18 04:59:31 PM  

FrancoFile: BolshyGreatYarblocks: Corporate types and their government flunkies prefer hiring foreigners skilled people over local nationals lazy-ass entitled whiners for white-collar positions during a long period of economic decline, in a small tightly-knit country.  Amazingly, some bigots have a problem with this.

FTFY


Fixed That For Corporations.  "There's not enough skilled domestic workers" is a corporate-generated myth; see Why Good People Can't Get Jobs by Peter Cappelli.
 
2013-04-18 05:15:38 PM  
My take on this...

Yes, I admit as an Australian that we have some very nasty racists here. But every country has some kind of racism in one degree or another. I don't see Australia as being one of the worst offenders at present, although we have had some terrible things in our past:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia

In recent times racism has still impacted fatally on some people here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Palm_Island_death_in_custody

However, attitudes here HAVE changed for the better over the years. One way I see this happening is through comedy. Laugh at something and it becomes less frightening and more human.

Back in the late 80's a comedy troupe started a wildly popular stage show called "Wogs out of Work." Here "wogs" meant Greeks, Italians and the like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wogs_Out_of_Work

I once said to a friend that one day there would be Vietnamese comedians doing the same thing. She said, "That will never happen, they are too different from us." Well look what we have now:

http://www.hungle.com.au/cv

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anh_Do

And beyond that, Australia has MUSLIM comedians:

http://www.news.com.au/news/what-muslim-folk-laugh-at/story-fna7dq6e -1 111114755846

You may think all this is just a joke (a series of jokes, actually). But these kinds of people are little by little puncturing the arrogant superiority that many racists parade around with like a badge of honour.

I LOVE seeing it when arrogant bullies are taken down a peg or two by being laughed at, and the more this happens, the less racism and exclusion there will be.

Why else do so many comedians in oppressive countries get thrown into jail? Comedians often tell the truth, that's why!
 
2013-04-18 05:30:04 PM  
"42 percent believe the country is damaged by ethnicities that stick to their "old ways. "


Well, this part is true. anyone sticking to an 'old way' is, well, in the way. But this is true regardless of race, religion, or creed.
 
2013-04-18 08:24:00 PM  
Got to LOVE all the Americans pretending they don't have racist country yokels!

I see all these comments along the lines of "I went to Australia and everyone was openly racist!". Really? Where was that exactly? I have never witnessed any of these type of incidents. Oh I'm sure it happens.. like it does everywhere. It's just not anywhere near as bad as these stories make out.

/Not butthurt at all.. it's actually funny to see the rampant denial of Americans! I'm afraid you have rednecks too... just like we do. In some ways the passive-aggressive racial profiling that the US does is significantly worse.
 
2013-04-18 08:51:03 PM  
HighOnCraic:
Roughly speaking, free speech isn't free if you're not free to offend people.  It still isn't free if you have to analyze WORLD OPINION for everything you're going to do.

*Though that might have to do that he did a really good job at it.

Free speech means people who disagree with what you say are free to respond.  It stops being free when the government censors you.

/And if anyone disagrees with me, I'm calling the FBI!
//sarc


Thank you for saying this. Morons that don't understand that "freedom of speech" means "freedom from government interference or censorship", and not "freedom from responsibilities and consequences". For whatever wild-assed reason they think they should be able to say anything they want and no one should be able to call them on it.
When something comes out of your piehole, it's your responsibility. Other people are just as free to talk about what you said as you were to say it. If you can't deal with criticism for what you say, then STFU and keep it to yourself.

People who are usually the first to scream "freedom of speech" are usually also the first ones to say something really really stupid.
 
2013-04-18 08:56:50 PM  
I love the "There are no coloured people in Australia" Seriously? The only way I can see this being even remotely true is if you class every asian person as white? No we don't have as many black people of african descent. But that's cause we didn't import them as slaves... so I'd take that as a win?
 
2013-04-18 09:07:23 PM  

Marcintosh: "They're called Bungs (pronounce booung) because that's the sound your car makes when you hit 'em."


Heh, I'd forgotten that one. The spelling is "boong" however.

Q: How do you stop and Aboriginal from drowning?
A: Take your foot off his head.

/I have worse
//harden the f**k up
 
2013-04-18 09:23:30 PM  
Oops...."an" not "and" up there.
 
2013-04-18 09:51:02 PM  
My local pub is full of guys who would fit in great in the deep south USA and would love to have their own white robes.
I don't think the Aussie racism is as bad as say rural Georgia but it is more visible.  Many Americans know where their heritage comes from and that was ignored in the early days of Australia since no one wanted to admit it.  A few generators later and people were proud of it and it was cool to know.  So this week end I'm going to "The Kraut's" party and there will be a few Yanks there as well as a Canuck as well as the more typical immigrants.  It seems odd that people would refer to themselves that way but they do.

The Aboriginals have lots of problems and some of them are self made or internally reinforced.  Most Aboriginals today are mixed Europeans and they just fit in. Where things break down are the camps with all the typical poverty problems such as multi-generational violence, illiteracy, drug problems and poor health. Aboriginals males have one of the lowest life expectancies in the world which is even stranger when you consider that most people classified as Aboriginal in Australia are living modern life styles with typical life expectancies which means some of far worse off than others.

Young Aboriginals males tend to look up to African-Americans (and African-Canadians and African-French).  There are plenty of jobs for black male teachers in the rural parts of the outback but many of the guys will fight learning to read or write until they find out the girls want to send them text messages.

One thing that I have noticed is as economic times get harder, racism gets worse since it is easy to blame "them" whoever they happen to be.
 
2013-04-18 11:31:27 PM  

kmfjd: Gothnet: Walker: There aren't many black people in Australia (they don't count the Aborigines as black). It is still mainly a white country. I have friends there and see pictures on Facebook they put up of their kids playing sports and kids at school and it's mostly all white kids (mostly blonds). In 2009 on an Australian TV talent show a group of white guys (all highly educated doctors) performed in black face as the Jackson 5. The world was outraged and Australia was like "What? Was that wrong?"

Don't forget that 'Coon' is a major brand of cheese over there too...

Aborgines do count as black, the tv show dedicated to aboriginal affairs over there is called "Living Black". It's just that there aren't enough black folks of African descent in the country to have a category of their own. Or historically there haven't been, I think the demographics are shifting slightly.

Wasn't Coon the last name of the fellow that created the cheese?



Nope.  It was the last thing he said when he tried to advertise his cheese product in Harlem.
 
2013-04-18 11:31:46 PM  
I'm American, and I lived in Australia for a little over a year.  I was there on 9/11, and I have to say, my Aussie friends were incredibly comforting, encouraging, and supportive.  I almost married an Aussie.

That said, they are some of the biggest racists I've ever met.  I was totally unprepared and really taken aback at how obvious they were in their racism.  Not even just towards people of colour, but towards me as well (I'm Jewish).  I was treated as more of a curiousity than anything else... sort of with a benign ignorance- "So you're from New York and you're Jewish?  Were you ever on 'Seinfeld'?"

Anything other than English/Irish white was fair game, including Italians.  Very, um... colourful slang, used right out in the  open.

Once, I took the above mentioned Aussie fiance to New York City for the weekend (this was when we were living in America).  We were walking around in the East Village, when I noticed that he was cowering in fear.  I asked him if he had seen anything... for all I know, he saw someone flash a gun or something.... nope.  He had never seen black people.  And he was scared.  Of black people.  And I'm like.... dude.  You're in NYC, not Sweden.  Surely you know that NY is pretty damn diverse?

Yeah... I didn't marry that one.
 
2013-04-18 11:34:08 PM  

Walker: In 2009 on an Australian TV talent show a group of white

Indian guys (all highly educated doctors) performed in black face as the Jackson 5. The world America was outraged and Australia was like "What? Was that wrong? had a national debate in which the question was asked, because blackface had a racist history in America, does that make it racist the world over?"

That debate (along with many others) is still continuing, pushed along by occasional outbreaks. Like when some rugby fans decided to dress up as their favourite player. images.brisbanetimes.com.au
Radike Samo (the player in question) said of the incident "These guys were actually paying me a tribute. It was a bit of fun... I didn't have an issue with it at all. I was glad to be in a photo with them, so I don't know why anyone is getting worked up."
So,
Why is this racist? The answer is that we live in a world which is developing a homogeneous culture. So, the fact that someone of Fijian origin has never had to face blackface as an insult means the idea of it being racist is (to him) incomprehensible. How else are two white guys going to be able to dress up as him? But it also means that some people are going to be offended and see racism in things which are not racist.

Another 'classic' Australian racist (but not) moment was when Bert Newton (an Australian TV host) looked at Muhammad Ali and said "I like the boy". Racist? Ali thought so, because of his background, Newton had no idea, because of his. So, there was no racism in the intent, but it could easily have been seen that way.

I am lucky enough to live in one of the world's most multicultural/multiracial cities, Darwin. A city with aboriginal families named Ah Chee and with (as of a few weeks ago) the first Aboriginal to be the head of an Australian government. There is also a HUGE amount of racism and at the same time almost none.
It is a paradox which is the Australian situation writ large. Let me see if I can (on fark) be serious and explain what that means.

There is probably no one here who wouldn't have a few friends of different races and the vast majority of people wouldn't even consider selecting an employee based on race. The best person for the job could be of Chinese, Aboriginal, afro-Caribbean, Fijian... or any combination of a hundred possible origins. Yet, we also have to lowest common denominator of people too. Arseholes who will scream at the taxi driver to go back to his own country or tell you Aboriginals are drunks and bludgers. His brain is performing a nice bit of internal gymnastics though, where he is mentally saying "except Kevin, Dave and Jess" because they are his friends and he knows they are not drunks and bludgers, they are just like him.

People like that are though in a tiny minority (and one which is disappearing rapidly, especially as people are more willing to speak up and tell them they are wrong). But there is a different more insidious type of racism, one where a doctor, who is constantly seeing drunk Aboriginals in the ER with stab wounds, sees this as an Aboriginal issue. Or where when (a few years ago) I was out with a rugby team after a grand final win, 20 blokes drunk, rowdy and me pissing in someone's flower bed when the police pulled up. Did I get a talking to, no my coach (an Aboriginal man who was 100% sober) did. What are you up to, where have you been, where are you going.
And, it is bloody obvious why. We were in Alice Springs where Aboriginal people are overrepresented in crime stats. And, if the police are conditioned (either consciously or sub-consciously) to look at the black guy first, at 2am on a Saturday night, most of the time they will be right. It doesn't mean that it is right to think that way and acting out of that assumption reinforces negative stereotypes and behaviours which can perpetuate the problems. But, these same police officers will have Aboriginal colleagues whom they trust completely, friends and in that town probably family too.

The real problem is of course poverty and a whole cycle of isolation, lack of education and of opportunity. In some parts of the world, these things exist as a class issue, but here they have a different origin. One of my kids, at aged 7 or 8 thought the word Aboriginal meant drunk and got very offended when I said her best friend was Aboriginal.

The writer of the article is right when he says that the dumb racist shouting in public distracts from the real debate. But he is also wrong (or might be) when he states that discrepancies in how many more interviews it takes for someone with an Arabic name to get a job is evidence of racism. Unless the study compares people of equivalent experience and education we can't draw any real conclusions.

There was once a lot of racism, the white Australia policy enshrined it in law. Aboriginals couldn't vote or travel without a permit. Some of what is happening now is a hangover from that, of course more recent immigrant groups are poorer. That is true everywhere. Do people of Arabic heritage find it harder to get work than the anglos? Well, given that many of the Arabic families in Australia have come as refugees that is not unexpected. Refugees do not get asylum because they have degrees in advanced physics but because they are being persecuted in their homelands while the Anglo folks have been living here in peace for a long time, with opportunities for education. Opportunities that all of these other ethnic groups now have. It takes time but I suspect the evidence should be found in looking backwards.

Not long ago (50s?), people complained about all the Italians and Greeks coming to Australia. They don't assimilate, they eat smelly food, they don't belong...
In the 70s it was the Vietnamese.
Rather than try to compare the economic outlook of the newest group to arrive, I would suggest that the Greeks and the Vietnamese should be looked at. Are they still finding it harder to get work?
I don't know, but I suspect that they are probably on par with the Anglos these days. That 3 or 4 generations later they are part of the fabric of our society.
Likewise, when we compare the health and economic outcomes of Aboriginal and Anglo Aussies we are not always looking at race (even when we think we are). A greater % of Aboriginal people live in rural communities and rural communities have lower life expectancy, lower incomes, poorer educational incomes. When you compare people living in the most remote part of the country, five hours drive from the nearest town with people living in a major city 5 minutes walk from their doctor there will be huge differences regardless of race.
There is still an unacceptable gap between the lives of urban aboriginals and the rest of our society, but it is not the catastrophic divide that the overall stats would paint.

/my high horse, I is getting off it
//I am not proof reading this, so sorry for the typos and grammatical unconventionalities.
///as an aside, I am not Australian by birth but have been here long enough to have been Stockholmed
 
2013-04-18 11:50:46 PM  

phalaeo: I'm American, and I lived in Australia for a little over a year.  I was there on 9/11, and I have to say, my Aussie friends were incredibly comforting, encouraging, and supportive.  I almost married an Aussie.

That said, they are some of the biggest racists I've ever met.  I was totally unprepared and really taken aback at how obvious they were in their racism.  Not even just towards people of colour, but towards me as well (I'm Jewish).  I was treated as more of a curiousity than anything else... sort of with a benign ignorance- "So you're from New York and you're Jewish?  Were you ever on 'Seinfeld'?"

Anything other than English/Irish white was fair game, including Italians.  Very, um... colourful slang, used right out in the  open.

Once, I took the above mentioned Aussie fiance to New York City for the weekend (this was when we were living in America).  We were walking around in the East Village, when I noticed that he was cowering in fear.  I asked him if he had seen anything... for all I know, he saw someone flash a gun or something.... nope.  He had never seen black people.  And he was scared.  Of black people.  And I'm like.... dude.  You're in NYC, not Sweden.  Surely you know that NY is pretty damn diverse?

Yeah... I didn't marry that one.


OK, I just posted my rant. But I figure this is worth a question in reply...
Are you sure what you were reading as racism, was racism and not a cultural difference? Australians pride themselves on a lack of political correctness and a lack of sacred cows. This, combined with a cultural leaning towards dry humour has often left people feeling insulted when actually what they were experiencing was an odd form of affection.
You are right about the 'colourful slang' going to school here at lunchtime we'd play football and the default team was 'aussies vs wogs' (being neither Aussies nor Wogs Conway Chung and I were placed on whichever team had the least players). In most places this would be evidence of entrenched racism, but it wasn't.
As for the fear of black people in New York, that is funny. It is also though, a fairly obvious reaction to being confronted by something outside your experience. I doubt that is racism, it would then depend on what he did about it. (plus, think about what America exports to the world in terms of film and TV. What do you tell the rest of the world about inner city black people?)
 
2013-04-19 04:36:20 AM  

Walker: stonent: Walker: Oh, here's a picture of it. The guy playing Michael Jackson was in white face. This was 2009 folks.

I believe Harry Connick Jr. was one of the judges (could be wrong) and he just stood there with his mouth hanging open. Later he said that we don't do stuff like that in America.

Yeah, he was the one who pointed out it was wrong. The Aussies didn't get why he was offended at first.


http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/harry-the-hypocrite/story-e6fr eu y9-1225784320000

Especially when he'd done blackface himself.

But I guess lecturing Australians from a hypocritical position is something that Yanks excel at.
 
2013-04-19 01:54:08 PM  
NEWSFLASH! Racism is going to be around for a long time yet.

Before you start screaming and yelling, allow me to point something out: people are even racist against members of their own races.

As a kid, I learned all about 'Damn Yankees' and the local 'Rebels', followed by the Rednecks, White Trash, the Rich and the Poor and then the Blacks.

Coming from the Northern States, with Yankee parents, my 'accent' tended to be north. I soon learned all about those here in Florida who were still fighting the Civil War and the term 'boy' was not just reserved for black folks.

Over the subsequent years I found that Asians tend to discriminate against Asians depending on their nationality -- with Koreans being at the low end, and the darkness of their skin. (Some Asians tend to be a bit darker.) Blacks discriminated against Blacks for assorted reasons, including variations in skin color and wealth.

The English had a whole list of discriminations. So, essentially, does every race in the world among their own kind.

Humans, apparently, if not picking on others of different races, are perfectly happy to pick on their own.

If a nation is divided into segments, like the US, then discrimination can come from whatever state you are from.

BTW. I once knew a girl from New Zealand and she expressed loathing for the 'criminal spawn' which inhabited Australia.

So, even if everyone was one race, one religion and one nationality, there'd be discrimination.

It seems to be human nature.
 
2013-04-19 02:38:36 PM  
That said, they are some of the biggest racists I've ever met.  I was totally unprepared and really taken aback at how obvious they were in their racism.  Not even just towards people of colour, but towards me as well (I'm Jewish).  I was treated as more of a curiousity than anything else... sort of with a benign ignorance- "So you're from New York and you're Jewish?  Were you ever on 'Seinfeld'?"


Racism, huh?  Thanks for completely neutering the word.
Hard to imagine how people live with oppression like that.
 
2013-04-19 05:32:30 PM  

Rik01: NEWSFLASH! Racism is going to be around for a long time yet.

Before you start screaming and yelling, allow me to point something out: people are even racist against members of their own races.

As a kid, I learned all about 'Damn Yankees' and the local 'Rebels', followed by the Rednecks, White Trash, the Rich and the Poor and then the Blacks.

Coming from the Northern States, with Yankee parents, my 'accent' tended to be north. I soon learned all about those here in Florida who were still fighting the Civil War and the term 'boy' was not just reserved for black folks.

Over the subsequent years I found that Asians tend to discriminate against Asians depending on their nationality -- with Koreans being at the low end, and the darkness of their skin. (Some Asians tend to be a bit darker.) Blacks discriminated against Blacks for assorted reasons, including variations in skin color and wealth.

The English had a whole list of discriminations. So, essentially, does every race in the world among their own kind.

Humans, apparently, if not picking on others of different races, are perfectly happy to pick on their own.

If a nation is divided into segments, like the US, then discrimination can come from whatever state you are from.

BTW. I once knew a girl from New Zealand and she expressed loathing for the 'criminal spawn' which inhabited Australia.

So, even if everyone was one race, one religion and one nationality, there'd be discrimination.

It seems to be human nature.


Yes, there are plenty of examples of outright violence among groups of people that look pretty much the same to outsiders (Rwanda, Northern Ireland, and Iraq)

And it's still bad.
 
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