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(Boing Boing)   Google to customers: You don't own the things you buy from us, we own you   (boingboing.net) divider line 58
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2013-04-18 10:35:52 AM
Wow, they really, really, *REALLY* want to fail, don't they?
 
2013-04-18 10:41:35 AM

dittybopper: Wow, they really, really, *REALLY* want to fail, don't they?


Shock horror, a company has a strict set of conditions for people who want to be a part of a limited beta for a new product.

Wake me up if they decide that these apply when they actually start selling them more generally.

/not that i'm particularly likely to want to buy a pair anyway
 
2013-04-18 10:48:21 AM
Google is doing this because it will make the eventual safety recall more troublesome.
 
2013-04-18 11:06:54 AM
Silly subby, you are licensing this product not purchasing it.

Google Glass: Always On.
 
2013-04-18 11:08:56 AM
Google broke my eyes?
 
JW
2013-04-18 11:10:56 AM
Total non-story.  It's not available for general purchase.  Big shock that they are restricting a limited beta.
 
2013-04-18 11:13:24 AM
The first sale doctrine would like a word.
 
2013-04-18 11:17:45 AM
cache.gizmodo.com
 
2013-04-18 11:21:04 AM
I thought every hardware company does stuff like this for development hardware.  I think the only difference between this and what everyone else does is that Google isn't forcing anyone to sign an NDA as well.    AFAIK, Apple and Microsoft won't even let you tell people you have development hardware, let alone sell or trade it.
 
2013-04-18 11:21:39 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Shock horror, a company has a strict set of conditions for people who want to be a part of a limited beta for a new product.


This USED to be handled with a Non-disclosure agreement so tight you couldn't admit to having the product or be bound by the agreement.

   The Sun
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Nothing New
 
2013-04-18 11:21:58 AM
So google picks beta testers, presumably with some specific criteria in mind, and then make sure the people they are selling test units to are not just putting them up on E-Bay for $1-2k more than google sells them for? How is this news or cause for outrage?

I hear you can only buy two Nexus 4 devices, presumably to stop people reselling them. You could buy an official nexus 4 bumper for $40 on E-Bay, they can charge that because Google ran out selling to the scalpers.
 
kab
2013-04-18 11:21:59 AM
Not on my want list, and this just keeps it that way.

*shrug*
 
2013-04-18 11:29:05 AM

kab: Not on my want list, and this just keeps it that way.

*shrug*


Well then you are in luck as you can't get one anyway.
 
2013-04-18 11:32:56 AM

Driedsponge: I thought every hardware company does stuff like this for development hardware.  I think the only difference between this and what everyone else does is that Google isn't forcing anyone to sign an NDA as well.    AFAIK, Apple and Microsoft won't even let you tell people you have development hardware, let alone sell or trade it.


This. Plus, I imagine it might difficult to force an NDA on what is a highly visible piece of equipment. I mean, phones are difficult, but can be somewhat hidden/explained away. It's harder to explain to people why you're talking to your glasses without sounding like you're insane.
 
2013-04-18 11:34:24 AM
What's the use of doing this anyways? Is it so they can mine information easier or something?
 
2013-04-18 11:44:19 AM
They did this in The Jerk.
Look at how that came out.

Mark my words, somebody is going to do something stupid, like skydive in scuba gear, while wearing these stupid glasses and sue the fark out of Google.
 
2013-04-18 11:44:42 AM
Awesome. I was sure I'd have difficulty getting my hands on a pair at public release, good thing there's a bunch of you butthurt imbeciles.

/Hooray!
 
2013-04-18 11:46:50 AM
Okay, after reading the Wired article, which is about a thousand times more informative than Boing Boing's "block quote then let's add a line of text and call it a day" version, the ToS they're complaining about actually apply to the people who have in fact purchased the glasses for the full price of $1,500. It's still a glorified beta, since those people were specifically picked out of some twitter contest or something, and the sale is very, very limited. And some guy is disappointed he can't sell his not-yet-received glasses for $100,000 on Ebay.

Still not seeing a problem here; Google isn't selling them to the general public and doesn't want the exact situation this guy created by trying to sell the glasses. Sorry, early adopters, it's still a glorified beta, and Google didn't specifically select you so you can turn around and make 100x profit off their product. When we get to the stage that the glasses are available to everyone to buy, and the terms are still this restrictive, then we can have the argument.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:30 PM
Google is selling to developers to make apps and saying you can't resell these and yet people have an issue with that?
 
2013-04-18 12:07:55 PM
This is the same as Lexus only making the LFA available for lease for the first year to stop people instantly reselling them at a huge markup.
 
2013-04-18 12:08:18 PM

TNel: Google is selling to developers to make apps and saying you can't resell these and yet people have an issue with that?


They are not saying that. And they cannot.  Resell to one's heart's content.

Google is saying that they will terminate services if one does.  Very different.
 
2013-04-18 12:12:13 PM
Okay, but you're not allowed to complain when I choose to deny you my business by illegally downloading what I want instead.
 
2013-04-18 12:16:39 PM
Who is going to keep these out of the hands of terrorists?
 
2013-04-18 12:22:38 PM
THIS ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WITH BETA DEVELOPMENT VERSIONS OF GOOGLE GLASS, AS GOOGLE GLASS IS STILL PRE-RELEASE. SHOCKINGLY PRE-RELEASE HARDWARE HAS DIFFERENT LICENCES FROM RELEASED HARDWARE.
 
2013-04-18 12:26:57 PM
cdn.uberreview.com
What the Google headset will look like.
 
2013-04-18 12:32:19 PM

fluffy2097: THIS ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WITH BETA DEVELOPMENT VERSIONS OF GOOGLE GLASS, AS GOOGLE GLASS IS STILL PRE-RELEASE. SHOCKINGLY PRE-RELEASE HARDWARE HAS DIFFERENT LICENCES FROM RELEASED HARDWARE.




How does marketing work?
It's called skimming.
 
2013-04-18 12:39:49 PM

fluffy2097: THIS ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WITH BETA DEVELOPMENT VERSIONS OF GOOGLE GLASS, AS GOOGLE GLASS IS STILL PRE-RELEASE. SHOCKINGLY PRE-RELEASE HARDWARE HAS DIFFERENT LICENCES FROM RELEASED HARDWARE.


so can I pay for it with beta money?
 
2013-04-18 12:51:20 PM

mrlewish: fluffy2097: THIS ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WITH BETA DEVELOPMENT VERSIONS OF GOOGLE GLASS, AS GOOGLE GLASS IS STILL PRE-RELEASE. SHOCKINGLY PRE-RELEASE HARDWARE HAS DIFFERENT LICENCES FROM RELEASED HARDWARE.

so can I pay for it with beta money?




That's what's in your pocket now, moran.
 
JW
2013-04-18 01:11:15 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: They did this in The Jerk.
Look at how that came out.

Mark my words, somebody is going to do something stupid, like skydive in scuba gear, while wearing these stupid glasses and sue the fark out of Google.


Those people will be out of luck.  The FAQ instructs people that it is not ok to go scuba diving with google glass.

http://support.google.com/glass/answer/3064131?hl=en&ref_topic=306 3354
 
2013-04-18 01:21:30 PM
Serious question:

Does Apple force you to buy Developmental, Beta hardware?
 
2013-04-18 01:53:18 PM
Limited edition beta? Sensible restriction?

But I am supposed to hate Google for everything they do. Right?
 
2013-04-18 01:58:21 PM
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How would they know?  They can tell.
 
2013-04-18 02:12:57 PM

TheZorker: Serious question:

Does Apple force you to buy Developmental, Beta hardware?


They don't let you have it at all. You have to lift it from an employee at the bar.
 
2013-04-18 02:13:40 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: limited beta


Came to point this out. Thanks!
 
JW
2013-04-18 02:34:11 PM

TheZorker: Serious question:

Does Apple force you to buy Developmental, Beta hardware?


1) Nobody forced them to buy it, but ok, let's just replace "force" with "require" and sure, point stands.
2) It's not that uncommon of a practice, it's just more typically done with developers and not consumers.

It seems like a really stupid complaint honestly.  If you wanted to resell, I'm guessing you had to have lied on the application you made as to why you wanted Google Glass.
 
2013-04-18 02:37:09 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: dittybopper: Wow, they really, really, *REALLY* want to fail, don't they?

Shock horror, a company has a strict set of conditions for people who want to be a part of a limited beta for a new product.

Wake me up if they decide that these apply when they actually start selling them more generally.

/not that i'm particularly likely to want to buy a pair anyway


Except these people payed for this beta product.

Ajanu: I hear you can only buy two Nexus 4 devices, presumably to stop people reselling them. You could buy an official nexus 4 bumper for $40 on E-Bay, they can charge that because Google ran out selling to the scalpers.


But even if you're limited to two Nexus 4 phones, you can still resale them.

/Realized long ago, any hardware or software you get from Google, is in a constant beta stage.
 
2013-04-18 02:41:14 PM

fluffy2097: THIS ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WITH BETA DEVELOPMENT VERSIONS OF GOOGLE GLASS, AS GOOGLE GLASS IS STILL PRE-RELEASE. SHOCKINGLY PRE-RELEASE HARDWARE HAS DIFFERENT LICENCES FROM RELEASED HARDWARE.


And we're done. Oddly enough, you're not allowed to sell beta hardware to undisclosed third parties during the beta. Whodathunk?

And, so what if you paid into the beta program to participate in it? That doesn't give you the right to simply resell the beta hardware given to you as part of the beta program.

Tempest in a teacup.
 
2013-04-18 02:47:39 PM

FormlessOne: fluffy2097: THIS ONLY APPLIES TO PEOPLE WITH BETA DEVELOPMENT VERSIONS OF GOOGLE GLASS, AS GOOGLE GLASS IS STILL PRE-RELEASE. SHOCKINGLY PRE-RELEASE HARDWARE HAS DIFFERENT LICENCES FROM RELEASED HARDWARE.

And we're done. Oddly enough, you're not allowed to sell beta hardware to undisclosed third parties during the beta. Whodathunk?

And, so what if you paid into the beta program to participate in it? That doesn't give you the right to simply resell the beta hardware given to you as part of the beta program.

Tempest in a teacup.



Paid for.  Not leased.  Can sell.  Google will just revoke access and warranty if they find out.

/don't care really, but a lot of FUD here
/google does not own the glasses one paid for
 
2013-04-18 02:59:37 PM
Let me guess: Google is acting like a corporation, and Corky Doctorow is crapping in his pants again?
 
2013-04-18 03:19:00 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The first sale doctrine would like a word.


The first sale doctrine is a limitation on the rights of copyright and trademark holders. It wouldn't even apply in this case, because Google is not trying to prevent resale, they're just saying they're going to brick your device if you do resell it. There are lots of proprietary products that come with contracts and stipulations like this, and because Glass isn't a public product yet (they haven't yet offered it for general sale, only limited sale on a case-by-case basis) they can do pretty much whatever they want.
 
2013-04-18 03:26:23 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Except these people payed for this beta product.


Doesn't matter- Google is allowed to offer their product to select people with terms that they set, if you don't like those terms then you don't get one of their products. Nobody is forced to buy it. This has been done with early-access proprietary technology since time immemorial. What Google is offering right now should be thought of as a development kit, not a general product for sale.

For example, whenever someone comes out with a new game console they will sell development boxes to game makers, usually years before the console is publicly available. These boxes come with NDAs and heavy restrictions on use, but game makers buy them because they want to have early access. The fact that the Glass doesn't have an NDA on it is frankly amazing.
 
2013-04-18 03:30:12 PM

BafflerMeal: Paid for.  Not leased.  Can sell.  Google will just revoke access and warranty if they find out.


It's not unusual to pay for beta hardware and software within industry (between two companies). Normal people don't pay for beta software because normal people wouldn't pay for beta software. In part it helps defray the cost -of offering development kits to people, and in part it helps weed out people who aren't serious. A few thousand dollars for a development kit isn't a huge chunk of change for a company, but it keeps the gawkers away.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:07 PM

JW: HotIgneous Intruder: They did this in The Jerk.
Look at how that came out.

Mark my words, somebody is going to do something stupid, like skydive IN scuba gear, while wearing these stupid glasses and sue the fark out of Google.

Those people will be out of luck.  The FAQ instructs people that it is not ok to go scuba diving with google glass.

http://support.google.com/glass/answer/3064131?hl=en&ref_topic=306 3354


He didn't say "scuba diving".
/don't know if skydiving is an additional disclaimer
 
2013-04-18 03:34:26 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: dittybopper: Wow, they really, really, *REALLY* want to fail, don't they?

Shock horror, a company has a strict set of conditions for people who want to be a part of a limited beta for a new product.

Wake me up if they decide that these apply when they actually start selling them more generally.

/not that i'm particularly likely to want to buy a pair anyway


I had to look at the comments of the Wired article that was the source of the BoingBoing article before I could even FIND the word "beta". You'd think that anyone who aspires to some sort of journalistic credibility would realize that the "beta" angle is an important factor in the story.

Internet reporting FTL.
 
2013-04-18 03:40:35 PM

TheZorker: Serious question:

Does Apple force you to buy Developmental, Beta hardware?


I was curious about this myself.  After a bit of digging, it looks like you have to pay for the yearly software development membership ($99/year), and that entitles you to purchase one unit under a "Hardware Development Program".  So it looks like you already have to be registered as an Apple developer, and only then will they allow you to purchase the hardware to develop on.
 
2013-04-18 03:47:26 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Google is doing this because it will make the eventual safety recall more troublesome.


You mean the one generated by people who don't want to Share In The Experience hitting wearers with chairs/tables/trash cans/small dogs?
 
2013-04-18 04:06:49 PM
Manufactured outrage is outrageous. And clearly manufactured.

Bigger question is who's behind the anti-Google FUD? I know Microsoft has already started hinting about their own glasses.
 
2013-04-18 04:32:39 PM
Then don't get involved with the explorer program for GG.

Problem solved.
 
2013-04-18 04:54:42 PM
google can go F themselves in the A .
 
2013-04-18 04:58:49 PM
Welcome to the New World, one in which companies are retaining control of their products even after consumers purchase them.

Wow, it's either THAT hyperbole-laden statement, or it could be the fact that these are more or less a test item at this point, so it would be kind of like signing an NDA. Besides, they have to do everything they can to keep Apple from getting ahold of them and then patent trolling Google by claiming to have invented the tech first.
 
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