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2013-04-18 01:40:43 PM

Thebloodpotato: sethen320: Thebloodpotato: CygnusDarius: Thebloodpotato: Maud Dib: Poopspasm: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

It's Texas. They're stupid there.

You see a Texas tag anywhere? I think Floriduh has us beat in the stupid, dumbass.

i live in texas...this place is pretty damn stupid.

Stupid as in "hold my beer" stupid? Or stupid "I know I can dance (while drunk)" stupid?.

stupid as in an having an above average population of materialistic, selfish, egotistical bigots who don't like to hear opinions that conflict with their own and an unwillingness to compromise to boot...i put boot in there because texans love boots and i am willing to give back a little

Your description sounds a lot like New York.

that place is pretty awful until you go deep below the subways...but i wasn't aware they liked boots in new york.


True true...I forgot about the boots.  To be fair though we don't all like boots.  I like living here but I hate boots, country music, trailer homes, and "muddin".  I guess I'm a fluke.  I'm also not out in the middle of nowhere though.
 
2013-04-18 01:42:16 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


Dude, it's organic. How can it be dangerous to live near a green business?
 
2013-04-18 01:46:38 PM

Civil_War2_Time: mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: [img96.imageshack.us image 750x500]

Texas City > Halifax by a large margin.

Halifax:
aprox. 2000 killed and 9000 injured
estimated force 2.9 KT

Texas City:
aprox. 450 killed and 5000 injured
estimated force 2.7 to 3.2 KT

Please explain "large margin"?

I'm just throwing shiat out there...like a five ton anchor 1/2 mile, and a two ton anchor 1.62 miles. Maybe me growing up 15 miles from the blast sight makes me wonder about the Halifax data.


I know. Because everything in Texas is bigger, better and more important. We get it.
 
2013-04-18 01:47:47 PM

sethen320: Thebloodpotato: sethen320: Thebloodpotato: CygnusDarius: Thebloodpotato: Maud Dib: Poopspasm: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

It's Texas. They're stupid there.

You see a Texas tag anywhere? I think Floriduh has us beat in the stupid, dumbass.

i live in texas...this place is pretty damn stupid.

Stupid as in "hold my beer" stupid? Or stupid "I know I can dance (while drunk)" stupid?.

stupid as in an having an above average population of materialistic, selfish, egotistical bigots who don't like to hear opinions that conflict with their own and an unwillingness to compromise to boot...i put boot in there because texans love boots and i am willing to give back a little

Your description sounds a lot like New York.

that place is pretty awful until you go deep below the subways...but i wasn't aware they liked boots in new york.

True true...I forgot about the boots.  To be fair though we don't all like boots.  I like living here but I hate boots, country music, trailer homes, and "muddin".  I guess I'm a fluke.  I'm also not out in the middle of nowhere though.


im in the same "boot" as you are...i do know alot of people like me but they move to austin.
 
2013-04-18 01:48:16 PM

Civil_War2_Time: mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: [img96.imageshack.us image 750x500]

Texas City > Halifax by a large margin.

Halifax:
aprox. 2000 killed and 9000 injured
estimated force 2.9 KT

Texas City:
aprox. 450 killed and 5000 injured
estimated force 2.7 to 3.2 KT

Please explain "large margin"?

I'm just throwing shiat out there...like a five ton anchor 1/2 mile, and a two ton anchor 1.62 miles. Maybe me growing up 15 miles from the blast sight makes me wonder about the Halifax data.


According to the wiki, part of the Mont Blanc's anchor was found 2 miles from the site, and one of her guns landed 3.5 miles away.  It was a pretty big boom, too.
 
2013-04-18 01:51:20 PM

CygnusDarius: Oldiron_79: If I had stupid amounts of money Id pay stupidly to get to blow up a test site with a Tsar bomba.

I'm pretty sure some Russian millionaires do this.


While stroking thier mini giraffes
 
2013-04-18 01:51:48 PM
I blame poor zoning laws and weak eminent domain process for pushing the town to expand towards the cheaper land near the plant as opposed to leaving a buffer zone.
 
2013-04-18 01:55:26 PM

Thebloodpotato: stupid as in an having an above average population of materialistic, selfish, egotistical bigots who don't like to hear opinions that conflict with their own and an unwillingness to compromise to boot...


You just described Farkers to a T.
 
2013-04-18 01:55:51 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I blame poor zoning laws and weak eminent domain process for pushing the town to expand towards the cheaper land near the plant as opposed to leaving a buffer zone.


I lived in a village of 175 people, that was within a "town" that was probably itself not much more than 500-600 people (this is in Wisconsin, basically you have cities and villages within 6x6 mile "towns" in a county).    Even thinking about "zoning laws" and "eminent domain" in a town that size is semi-laughable... things just kind of "happen".   To compare a town of a few thousand to even an incorporated city of only 10,000 is a big difference in what kind of management and planning go on.
 
2013-04-18 02:00:50 PM

mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: [img96.imageshack.us image 750x500]

Texas City > Halifax by a large margin.

Halifax:
aprox. 2000 killed and 9000 injured
estimated force 2.9 KT

Texas City:
aprox. 450 killed and 5000 injured
estimated force 2.7 to 3.2 KT

Please explain "large margin"?

I'm just throwing shiat out there...like a five ton anchor 1/2 mile, and a two ton anchor 1.62 miles. Maybe me growing up 15 miles from the blast sight makes me wonder about the Halifax data.

I know. Because everything in Texas is bigger, better and more important. We get it.


You sound jealous
 
2013-04-18 02:11:45 PM

spelletrader: You're right. That should read "If they were not adequately informed of the danger the company is directly (and willfully) responsible for those casualties."


But whose responsibility is it to inform/be informed?  If you are operating or building a facility that handles hazardous materials, your permit or your occupancy certificate has to reflect that.  I'm pretty sure a couple reasons for that is your facility has to be built with certain safeguards and the authorities having jurisdiction have to be aware that you exist.  Then the FD would be notified by the building department folks so they know what a fire at such-and-such address might involve.

I know this is rural Texas, but that type of reporting has to be pretty near universal.
 
2013-04-18 02:12:25 PM

mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: [img96.imageshack.us image 750x500]

Texas City > Halifax by a large margin.

Halifax:
aprox. 2000 killed and 9000 injured
estimated force 2.9 KT

Texas City:
aprox. 450 killed and 5000 injured
estimated force 2.7 to 3.2 KT

Please explain "large margin"?

I'm just throwing shiat out there...like a five ton anchor 1/2 mile, and a two ton anchor 1.62 miles. Maybe me growing up 15 miles from the blast sight makes me wonder about the Halifax data.

I know. Because everything in Texas is bigger, better and more important. We get it.


Just like our BBQ.
 
2013-04-18 02:18:13 PM

mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: [img96.imageshack.us image 750x500]

Texas City > Halifax by a large margin.

Halifax:
aprox. 2000 killed and 9000 injured
estimated force 2.9 KT

Texas City:
aprox. 450 killed and 5000 injured
estimated force 2.7 to 3.2 KT

Please explain "large margin"?


In Kilotons of TNT, Texas City was about 1.4KT.  Yeah, Halifax was definitely far worse.
 
2013-04-18 02:21:49 PM

CygnusDarius: Oldiron_79: If I had stupid amounts of money Id pay stupidly to get to blow up a test site with a Tsar bomba.

I'm pretty sure some Russian millionaires do this.


assuming you can't get your hands on a nuke, if you want the biggest non nuclear boom available you go straight to the FAE (fuel-air explosive ) bombs.  One dropped during gulf war one to clear a minefield had such a powerful bomb that it was later dtermined that nearby Iraqi troops that weren;t killed by the blast wave proper asphyixiated because the explosion temporarily created a vacuum  in its radius
 
2013-04-18 02:22:43 PM

Civil_War2_Time: mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: mjohnson71: Civil_War2_Time: [img96.imageshack.us image 750x500]

Texas City > Halifax by a large margin.

Halifax:
aprox. 2000 killed and 9000 injured
estimated force 2.9 KT

Texas City:
aprox. 450 killed and 5000 injured
estimated force 2.7 to 3.2 KT

Please explain "large margin"?

I'm just throwing shiat out there...like a five ton anchor 1/2 mile, and a two ton anchor 1.62 miles. Maybe me growing up 15 miles from the blast sight makes me wonder about the Halifax data.

I know. Because everything in Texas is bigger, better and more important. We get it.

Just like our BBQ.


And your brain tumors.
 
2013-04-18 02:24:34 PM

Carousel Beast: Thebloodpotato: stupid as in an having an above average population of materialistic, selfish, egotistical bigots who don't like to hear opinions that conflict with their own and an unwillingness to compromise to boot...

You just described Farkers to a T.


i do not deal with absolutes but i am sure you are mostly right.
 
2013-04-18 02:26:30 PM

lunchinlewis: spelletrader: You're right. That should read "If they were not adequately informed of the danger the company is directly (and willfully) responsible for those casualties."

But whose responsibility is it to inform/be informed?  If you are operating or building a facility that handles hazardous materials, your permit or your occupancy certificate has to reflect that.  I'm pretty sure a couple reasons for that is your facility has to be built with certain safeguards and the authorities having jurisdiction have to be aware that you exist.  Then the FD would be notified by the building department folks so they know what a fire at such-and-such address might involve.

I know this is rural Texas, but that type of reporting has to be pretty near universal.


By federal law It is the responsibility of the company to have an emergency response plan which includes:

"1910.120(p)(8)(ii)(A)
Pre-emergency planning and coordination with outside parties."  q
 
2013-04-18 02:30:29 PM

lunchinlewis: I know this is rural Texas, but that type of reporting has to be pretty near universal.


The plants that I have worked on have coordinated with local emergency services on an annual basis. The local departments also have highly detailed maps of each plant with lists of all materials stored or in process, so they know exactly what to expect if they are responding to a particular facility.

This information has to be provided by the company that operates the plant, no one else would have access to that information in the detail required.
 
2013-04-18 02:31:26 PM

spelletrader: The company should have had a coordination plan with local emergency services. No one should have been fighting that fire, they should have concentrated emergency service efforts on evacuation of nearby facilities.

For those interested, situations like this are regulated by 29 CFR Part 1910,  Process Safety Management of Highly Hazardous Chemicals; Explosives and Blasting Agents.

While OSHA does periodic audits and inspections of companies (by industry code), realize that they are seriously understaffed for the job and can only inspect a small percentage of plants per year.


This town is about the size of my dad's Texas hometown, which has an all-volunteer fire department.  It's the kind of town where, when a grass fire is threatening a farm house, a fire truck stops at a couple places along main street to ask some relatives of the property owner to come help out.

I don't expect they had a lot of specialized training, even though they clearly should have.
 
2013-04-18 02:33:27 PM

Magorn: CygnusDarius: Oldiron_79: If I had stupid amounts of money Id pay stupidly to get to blow up a test site with a Tsar bomba.

I'm pretty sure some Russian millionaires do this.

assuming you can't get your hands on a nuke, if you want the biggest non nuclear boom available you go straight to the FAE (fuel-air explosive ) bombs.  One dropped during gulf war one to clear a minefield had such a powerful bomb that it was later dtermined that nearby Iraqi troops that weren;t killed by the blast wave proper asphyixiated because the explosion temporarily created a vacuum  in its radius


What would be the consequences of dropping it in the middle of the DMZ in Korea?.
 
2013-04-18 02:34:46 PM

Magorn: assuming you can't get your hands on a nuke, if you want the biggest non nuclear boom available you go straight to the FAE (fuel-air explosive ) bombs.  One dropped during gulf war one to clear a minefield had such a powerful bomb that it was later dtermined that nearby Iraqi troops that weren;t killed by the blast wave proper asphyixiated because the explosion temporarily created a vacuum  in its radius


(continuation of the question I said above)

Considering that the North Koreans don't/can't access a nuke of that power, or a functioning nuke in any way.
 
2013-04-18 02:43:29 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: This town is about the size of my dad's Texas hometown, which has an all-volunteer fire department.  It's the kind of town where, when a grass fire is threatening a farm house, a fire truck stops at a couple places along main street to ask some relatives of the property owner to come help out.

I don't expect they had a lot of specialized training, even though they clearly should have.


Make no mistake, the fire fighters are not to be blamed in any way whatsoever. I've coordinated with a few small town all volunteer fire departments in southern New Mexico, near the border with Texas, great bunch of seriously brave men and women. I am sure that their training was adequate, I highly suspect that the company was not diligent in communicating the danger properly to the department, or to the surrounding populace.
 
2013-04-18 02:46:09 PM
Why doers this keep coming to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ephTpUsYPxY
 
2013-04-18 02:48:57 PM

Thebloodpotato: sethen320: Thebloodpotato: sethen320: Thebloodpotato: CygnusDarius: Thebloodpotato: Maud Dib: Poopspasm: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

It's Texas. They're stupid there.

You see a Texas tag anywhere? I think Floriduh has us beat in the stupid, dumbass.

i live in texas...this place is pretty damn stupid.

Stupid as in "hold my beer" stupid? Or stupid "I know I can dance (while drunk)" stupid?.

stupid as in an having an above average population of materialistic, selfish, egotistical bigots who don't like to hear opinions that conflict with their own and an unwillingness to compromise to boot...i put boot in there because texans love boots and i am willing to give back a little

Your description sounds a lot like New York.

that place is pretty awful until you go deep below the subways...but i wasn't aware they liked boots in new york.

True true...I forgot about the boots.  To be fair though we don't all like boots.  I like living here but I hate boots, country music, trailer homes, and "muddin".  I guess I'm a fluke.  I'm also not out in the middle of nowhere though.

im in the same "boot" as you are...i do know alot of people like me but they move to austin.


Boots?  I grew up in Galveston.  Our main footwear was flip-flops or sneakers.  The boot wearers are definitely outnumbered there and in Austin where I now reside.  Most of Texas' big cities have their "cowboy" crowd but they are the minority.  Now rural Texas is another story.  I'm not even sure what "muddin'" is...
 
2013-04-18 02:53:58 PM
The national media seems to be challenged with understanding the difference between West, Texas and west Texas.  It's like "who's on first?".  West, Texas is a city in central Texas about 1/2 way between Austin and Dallas and west Texas is a region of the state where nobody wants to live.
 
2013-04-18 02:55:52 PM

Magorn: CygnusDarius: Oldiron_79: If I had stupid amounts of money Id pay stupidly to get to blow up a test site with a Tsar bomba.

I'm pretty sure some Russian millionaires do this.

assuming you can't get your hands on a nuke, if you want the biggest non nuclear boom available you go straight to the FAE (fuel-air explosive ) bombs.  One dropped during gulf war one to clear a minefield had such a powerful bomb that it was later dtermined that nearby Iraqi troops that weren;t killed by the blast wave proper asphyixiated because the explosion temporarily created a vacuum  in its radius


Their lungs would've been wrecked by it.  They're one way to clear caves.  The explosion violently sucks the air from far within, causing severe lung damage and then death.  This use is controversial, the effect is not unlike some chemical weapons.
 
2013-04-18 02:57:11 PM

revman64: The national media seems to be challenged with understanding the difference between West, Texas and west Texas.  It's like "who's on first?".  West, Texas is a city in central Texas about 1/2 way between Austin and Dallas and west Texas is a region of the state where nobody wants to live.


Locals sometimes refer to it as "West Comma Texas" when speaking with people from outside the region.
 
2013-04-18 02:58:35 PM

lunchinlewis: spelletrader: You're right. That should read "If they were not adequately informed of the danger the company is directly (and willfully) responsible for those casualties."

But whose responsibility is it to inform/be informed?  If you are operating or building a facility that handles hazardous materials, your permit or your occupancy certificate has to reflect that.  I'm pretty sure a couple reasons for that is your facility has to be built with certain safeguards and the authorities having jurisdiction have to be aware that you exist.  Then the FD would be notified by the building department folks so they know what a fire at such-and-such address might involve.

I know this is rural Texas, but that type of reporting has to be pretty near universal.


The universal part is the big AMMONIA sign (along with the hazmat indicator) on the buildings and the side of the tank. West has a Fire Chief and an all volunteer fire department. In a town that measures 1 mile by 2 miles in area, everyone knew what was there.
 
2013-04-18 03:00:29 PM
revman64: ...  I'm not even sure what "muddin'" is...

Driving one's "lifted" (raised beyond rollover protection range) pickup through fields after a non-trivial rain/thunderstorm, often accompanied by beer/"hold my beer". I hear it is enjoyable.

/ Grew up 50 miles south of West, ran off to East Coast college shortly after HS diploma hit my hand
// Was not the sort of girl brought along for "muddin'"
 
2013-04-18 03:01:40 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


I work in a fertilizer manufacturing plant situated right next to a residential area and an elementary school. When I'm up on the roof of our building I could probably bean a kid out at recess with a football if I wanted to. I'm waiting for the NIMBYs to show up on our front lawn and start raising hell.
 
2013-04-18 03:02:08 PM

spelletrader: Skirl Hutsenreiter: This town is about the size of my dad's Texas hometown, which has an all-volunteer fire department.  It's the kind of town where, when a grass fire is threatening a farm house, a fire truck stops at a couple places along main street to ask some relatives of the property owner to come help out.

I don't expect they had a lot of specialized training, even though they clearly should have.

Make no mistake, the fire fighters are not to be blamed in any way whatsoever. I've coordinated with a few small town all volunteer fire departments in southern New Mexico, near the border with Texas, great bunch of seriously brave men and women. I am sure that their training was adequate, I highly suspect that the company was not diligent in communicating the danger properly to the department, or to the surrounding populace.


Agreed.  Being the only industry in town, a conscientious operator would pay for chemical fire training and refreshers for the department on a regular schedule.  Even just from a selfish perspective, you'd think they could get lower insurance rates.  Instead they clearly tried to pretend there was no risk.
 
2013-04-18 03:02:15 PM

revman64: Thebloodpotato: sethen320: Thebloodpotato: sethen320: Thebloodpotato: CygnusDarius: Thebloodpotato: Maud Dib: Poopspasm: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

It's Texas. They're stupid there.

You see a Texas tag anywhere? I think Floriduh has us beat in the stupid, dumbass.

i live in texas...this place is pretty damn stupid.

Stupid as in "hold my beer" stupid? Or stupid "I know I can dance (while drunk)" stupid?.

stupid as in an having an above average population of materialistic, selfish, egotistical bigots who don't like to hear opinions that conflict with their own and an unwillingness to compromise to boot...i put boot in there because texans love boots and i am willing to give back a little

Your description sounds a lot like New York.

that place is pretty awful until you go deep below the subways...but i wasn't aware they liked boots in new york.

True true...I forgot about the boots.  To be fair though we don't all like boots.  I like living here but I hate boots, country music, trailer homes, and "muddin".  I guess I'm a fluke.  I'm also not out in the middle of nowhere though.

im in the same "boot" as you are...i do know alot of people like me but they move to austin.

Boots?  I grew up in Galveston.  Our main footwear was flip-flops or sneakers.  The boot wearers are definitely outnumbered there and in Austin where I now reside.  Most of Texas' big cities have their "cowboy" crowd but they are the minority.  Now rural Texas is another story.  I'm not even sure what "muddin'" is...


lol i hate mudding its the dumbest shiat...basically revving engines to get mud everywhere...i grew up in maryland directly on the chesapeake bay so the loss of beautiful scenery probably makes me a little prejudiced against this place... anyways im moving soon so it's all irrelevant. hopefully the united states will allow mexico to annex this boring ass state but i doubt it.
 
2013-04-18 03:07:18 PM
cum cum cum
 
2013-04-18 03:10:17 PM

SuperDarly: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

I work in a fertilizer manufacturing plant situated right next to a residential area and an elementary school. When I'm up on the roof of our building I could probably bean a kid out at recess with a football if I wanted to. I'm waiting for the NIMBYs to show up on our front lawn and start raising hell.


Forgot to add the pic to this post, my plant is marked with the "A"

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-18 03:13:00 PM

bdub77: you don't shiat where you eat.


This is Texas we are talking about here.
 
2013-04-18 03:13:18 PM

Texmandie: revman64: ...  I'm not even sure what "muddin'" is...

Driving one's "lifted" (raised beyond rollover protection range) pickup through fields after a non-trivial rain/thunderstorm, often accompanied by beer/"hold my beer". I hear it is enjoyable.

/ Grew up 50 miles south of West, ran off to East Coast college shortly after HS diploma hit my hand
// Was not the sort of girl brought along for "muddin'"


I see.  Another Texas stereotype breaker here!  I've owned at least 8 vehicles and not one has been a pick-up.  I do enjoy the people here, mostly friendly, the cost of living and the lack of snow.  Muddin' sounds like it might be fun unless you get stuck...
 
2013-04-18 03:13:40 PM
At least it didn't happen close to a nuclear power plant.

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-04-18 03:13:48 PM
Did the little girl in the car get her hearing back?
 
2013-04-18 03:15:45 PM

Therion: Smelly Pirate Hooker: NutWrench: Quit calling every bit of debris-strewn ground a "war zone," you nuts.

Yeah, this. Ruined, obliterated, leveled, destroyed. Any one of those words would do, without co-opting the now-cliche "war zone" reference.

The town was decimated!


There was a mass exodus!!!
 
2013-04-18 03:16:11 PM
It's sad that my first thought when watching the coverage of the explosion was to wonder how many of the injured vote Republican. I wondered how many are uninsured and will be ruined by and biatching about medical bills when they consistently vote against healthcare for others. I wonder if the burn unit takes bootstraps as payment. They will get a big shock when follow up care and physical therapy aren't provided free of charge by the Emergency Room.
 
2013-04-18 03:19:29 PM

Mija: It's sad that my first thought when watching the coverage of the explosion was to wonder how many of the injured vote Republican. I wondered how many are uninsured and will be ruined by and biatching about medical bills when they consistently vote against healthcare for others. I wonder if the burn unit takes bootstraps as payment. They will get a big shock when follow up care and physical therapy aren't provided free of charge by the Emergency Room.


It is sad that's what you thought first and not "I hope they're okay".
 
2013-04-18 03:36:25 PM

Mija: It's sad that my first thought when watching the coverage of the explosion was to wonder how many of the injured vote Republican. I wondered how many are uninsured and will be ruined by and biatching about medical bills when they consistently vote against healthcare for others. I wonder if the burn unit takes bootstraps as payment. They will get a big shock when follow up care and physical therapy aren't provided free of charge by the Emergency Room.


The majority of the residents of West are of Czech descent, all are Texans. The Czech's migrated here to escape the turmoil and troubles in the Old World and many arrived with only the clothes on their backs. They now own all of those big flat fields you see in the pictures around West. They're smart, hardworking, and quick to help in need. Most, if not all, will have insurance. The few that don't will be cared for by family and neighbors until they get back on their own two feet. They won't sit around and moan because the government hasn't moved in to save them (like some other areas in this country that we've been hearing about for months), they'l be out assessing the damage and planning the rebuild as soon as the embers cool. The dead will be mourned, the injured will be healed, and the town will be rebuilt.
 
2013-04-18 03:36:47 PM

SuperDarly: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

I work in a fertilizer manufacturing plant situated right next to a residential area and an elementary school. When I'm up on the roof of our building I could probably bean a kid out at recess with a football if I wanted to. I'm waiting for the NIMBYs to show up on our front lawn and start raising hell.


Well duh, your beaning elementary school kids with footballs!
 
2013-04-18 03:37:22 PM
*you're
 
2013-04-18 03:42:15 PM
Hope the friendly folks at the Little Czech Stop and Bakery are okay. Great place to stop for a snack on the way though central Texas.
 
2013-04-18 03:43:14 PM
A new video angle of the explosion in the school parking lot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJgZsVyvzVI
 
2013-04-18 03:49:52 PM

Guairdean: The majority of the residents of West are of Czech descent, all are Texans. The Czech's migrated here to escape the turmoil and troubles in the Old World and many arrived with only the clothes on their backs. They now own all of those big flat fields you see in the pictures around West. They're smart, hardworking, and quick to help in need. Most, if not all, will have insurance. The few that don't will be cared for by family and neighbors until they get back on their own two feet.


s15.postimg.org

There's no data for West, Texas (too small), but for McLennan County as a whole, where West is?  20% don't have insurance at all, 23% of those under 65 (those over have socialized medicine).

But, those are just worthless poor people, not Real Texans.
 
2013-04-18 03:56:31 PM
Here's a picture someone forwarded to KWTX of the part of the plant on fire before the explosion.

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KWTX said that building was a dry storage building full of ammonium nitrate.  Good God Almighty...
 
2013-04-18 03:56:40 PM

Lawnchair: Guairdean: The majority of the residents of West are of Czech descent, all are Texans. The Czech's migrated here to escape the turmoil and troubles in the Old World and many arrived with only the clothes on their backs. They now own all of those big flat fields you see in the pictures around West. They're smart, hardworking, and quick to help in need. Most, if not all, will have insurance. The few that don't will be cared for by family and neighbors until they get back on their own two feet.

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There's no data for West, Texas (too small), but for McLennan County as a whole, where West is?  20% don't have insurance at all, 23% of those under 65 (those over have socialized medicine).

But, those are just worthless poor people, not Real Texans.


Those margins of error for non-insured are huge as a %.  Makes one doubt the validity of the study.  Hell, the margin of error for over 65 without insurance is actually larger than the estimated number.
 
2013-04-18 04:06:19 PM

Lawnchair: Guairdean: The majority of the residents of West are of Czech descent, all are Texans. The Czech's migrated here to escape the turmoil and troubles in the Old World and many arrived with only the clothes on their backs. They now own all of those big flat fields you see in the pictures around West. They're smart, hardworking, and quick to help in need. Most, if not all, will have insurance. The few that don't will be cared for by family and neighbors until they get back on their own two feet.

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There's no data for West, Texas (too small), but for McLennan County as a whole, where West is?  20% don't have insurance at all, 23% of those under 65 (those over have socialized medicine).

But, those are just worthless poor people, not Real Texans.


They're real Texans. Texans who'll recover, both physically and emotionally, pay their bills and move on. I understand that you can't comprehend someone living their life without government control and aid, but I assure you it happens and will continue to happen.
 
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