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(NBC News)   With up to 15 people dead and dozens injured, Texas explosion aftermath described as "like a war zone". America hasn't seen scenes like this since...well, since Monday actually, but it's been an unusual week   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 165
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2013-04-18 11:07:28 AM
Has someone snapped up "TexasExplosionConspiracy.com" yet? ;)
 
2013-04-18 11:25:33 AM
Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.
 
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2013-04-18 11:28:06 AM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


In a lot of towns the refinery or whatever IS the center of town.  It's why there is a town there.
 
2013-04-18 11:29:10 AM
War...war never changes...except when it's fertilizer.
 
2013-04-18 11:44:09 AM
The fertilizer plant that exploded Wednesday night in West, Texas, reported to the Environmental Protection Agency and local public safety officials that it presented no risk of fire or explosion, documents show.

West Fertilizer Co. reported having as much as 54,000 pounds of anhydrous ammonia on hand in an emergency planning report required of facilities that use toxic or hazardous chemicals.

But the report, reviewed Wednesday night by The Dallas Morning News, stated "no" under fire or explosive risks. The worst possible scenario, the report said, would be a 10-minute release of ammonia gas that would kill or injure no one.

The second worst possibility projected was a leak from a broken hose used to transfer the product, again causing no injuries.


Somebody made a boo boo....or out and out lied.
I'm sure the plant operators will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Buhahahaha. Yeah right.
 
2013-04-18 11:56:23 AM

vpb: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

In a lot of towns the refinery or whatever IS the center of town.  It's why there is a town there.


Not from what I've seen. Typically the industry that supports the town is not dead center in the town. Usually because industry is dirty and, no pun intended, you don't shiat where you eat.
 
2013-04-18 12:00:50 PM
Actually I imagine the sheer force of a fertilizer plant explosion is orders of magnitudes worse than a pressure-cooker bomb.
 
2013-04-18 12:03:33 PM
See this, norks? Hell can't hold our sockhops.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:47 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


I would guess some years ago the plant was farther way (so to speak) then the development encroached it. The land was probably cheaper around the plant so to save a few bucks, people took a gamble on building near the plant
 
2013-04-18 12:04:53 PM
Quit calling every bit of debris-strewn ground a "war zone," you nuts.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:55 PM
Things blow up bigger in Texas!
 
2013-04-18 12:06:40 PM
Pepcon laughs at your puny little explosion...




www.damninteresting.net

/boom clicky the photo goes the linky
 
2013-04-18 12:06:43 PM
This was a bad week to finish up the first season of Homeland. "Oh what's on the news? Crowds of civilians being blown up. Let's watch some Netflix. Oh, it's more civilians being blown up... Can we just watch Girls instead?"
 
2013-04-18 12:06:49 PM
Little known fact - almost 20% of the 9/11/2001 victims were hillbillies trying to take video of the buildings on fire.
 
2013-04-18 12:06:55 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


It's Texas. They're stupid there.
 
2013-04-18 12:07:29 PM
Seriously, you guys are having a rough week down there. My heart felt wishes to all those affected...

On another note, you guys should be angry at the media who once again deliver countless false statements then correct themselves everytime something bad happens. They get a huge ratings boost then a few hours later, "oops, our bad. We were wrong." Who needs soap operas when you have CNN?
 
2013-04-18 12:08:11 PM
FTA: In a safety report on file with the Environmental Protection Agency, the West Fertilizer Co. said that there was no risk of fire or explosion from the ammonia stored near a residential neighborhood and a school, the Dallas Morning News reported. The main hazard was an accidental release of the gas, the report said.

You would think the EPA would know whether that report was total bullshiat just based on the chemicals involved. It's like saying there is no risk of fire from a natural gas pipeline.
 
2013-04-18 12:08:24 PM

ChipNASA: /boom clicky the photo goes the linky


Kid Rock?
 
2013-04-18 12:09:15 PM

Stoj: Little known fact - almost 20% of the 9/11/2001 victims were hillbillies trying to take video of the buildings on fire.


Say what you will about New Yorkers as a people, but they had the good sense to run.
 
2013-04-18 12:09:59 PM

Poopspasm: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

It's Texas. They're stupid there.


Says the person from Florida living on the coast.
 
2013-04-18 12:10:10 PM
So this was 27 tons of fertilizer. The texas city 1947 ship explosion was 2,300 tons of fertilizer.
 
2013-04-18 12:11:21 PM
Meh, this week is now the new norm.
 
2013-04-18 12:12:06 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Stoj: Little known fact - almost 20% of the 9/11/2001 victims were hillbillies trying to take video of the buildings on fire.

Say what you will about New Yorkers as a people, but they had the good sense to run.


==================

I'm an eyewitness to 9-11.  Watched the entire thing.........from the Jersey side of the river.
 
2013-04-18 12:12:37 PM
1947 Texas City Disaster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Txcitydisasterparkinglot.jpg
 
2013-04-18 12:12:51 PM

bdub77: vpb: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

In a lot of towns the refinery or whatever IS the center of town.  It's why there is a town there.

Not from what I've seen. Typically the industry that supports the town is not dead center in the town. Usually because industry is dirty and, no pun intended, you don't shiat where you eat.


It is a town of 2,700 though..... very small towns like that, I don't believe (unfortunately) the city planning was all that great, especially if this town and plant goes back 60-70 years or more.... people just didn't "plan" things that way back then.
 
2013-04-18 12:12:53 PM

Peter von Nostrand: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

I would guess some years ago the plant was farther way (so to speak) then the development encroached it. The land was probably cheaper around the plant so to save a few bucks, people took a gamble on building near the plant



Pretty much.  A lot of people live relatively close to the refineries by the gulf.  Not 100 yards close, but across a highway more or less, and those facilities are hundreds of times the size.  I'm sure its cheap, but I wouldn't want to live there...
 
2013-04-18 12:13:08 PM
Looked like a war zone.

Sounded like a freight train.

Felt like an earthquake.

Smelled like burnt popcorn.

And tasted like chicken.
 
2013-04-18 12:13:18 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: FTA: In a safety report on file with the Environmental Protection Agency, the West Fertilizer Co. said that there was no risk of fire or explosion from the ammonia stored near a residential neighborhood and a school, the Dallas Morning News reported. The main hazard was an accidental release of the gas, the report said.

You would think the EPA would know whether that report was total bullshiat just based on the chemicals involved. It's like saying there is no risk of fire from a natural gas pipeline.


It's the Federal Government. They're known for being incompetent. Remember after 9/11 when the head of the EPA said there was no danger breathing the air down at Ground Zero. Years later, a lot of the people who breathed that air are dead.
 
2013-04-18 12:14:21 PM
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FALSE FLAG
 
2013-04-18 12:14:30 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: This was a bad week to finish up the first season of Homeland. "Oh what's on the news? Crowds of civilians being blown up. Let's watch some Netflix. Oh, it's more civilians being blown up... Can we just watch Girls instead?"


Even there you're not safe as you'll have to watch them blow a crowd of civilians.
 
2013-04-18 12:14:59 PM
And the nuts just keep rolling! Someone called in a bomb threat to an Elementary School in Phoenix. Police have since given the all clear but is wrong with some people? http://www.azfamily.com/news/Bomb-threat-at-Longview-Elementary-spark s -evacuation-203603791.html
 
2013-04-18 12:15:23 PM
To give you an idea of just how big this explosion was: it registered onthe Richter scale.  granted it was only a 2.2, but the USGS' monitoring devices actually recorded it as an earthquake.

also, strangely enough, the blast occurred almost 66 years to the day after worst industrial accident in US history-also a fertilizer explosion, that occured in Texas city in 1947.  In that case it was a freighter, not a factory, but the same fertilizer went boom, which isn;t too suprising since the chemical make-up for "fertilizer" and "explosives" is damn nearly identical
 
2013-04-18 12:15:34 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.



Yea, but the ammonium nitrate smell drowns out the Texas smell.
 
2013-04-18 12:15:54 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


It's not really a plant, it's a fertilizer distributor/co-op.  Every county from Winnipeg to Del Rio has one of them.  Newer ones (rebuilt since the railroad-centric days) will tend to be on the outskirts of whatever small town, but most of them are right in the middle.

Also, putting my guessing bet in, it won't turn out to be the big giant tank that was the issue.  Anhydrous is flammable in the right circumstance, but not known for it.  A shed or 40-foot-trailer load of granulated ammonium nitrate fertilizer?  Also something you'd find at a co-op in every mid-American small town and perfectly capable of that size of boom in a major enough fire.
 
2013-04-18 12:15:58 PM
1947 was much more impressive.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-18 12:16:11 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


==============

Because making rules about not building schools next to ammunition factories is like socialism, it's not free-dumb.  So to sum up, MURICA!

BTW, you wanna bet this was a non-union factory, where the illegal Mexicans were being paid minimum wage and no benefits?
 
2013-04-18 12:16:43 PM

dletter: bdub77: vpb: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

In a lot of towns the refinery or whatever IS the center of town.  It's why there is a town there.

Not from what I've seen. Typically the industry that supports the town is not dead center in the town. Usually because industry is dirty and, no pun intended, you don't shiat where you eat.

It is a town of 2,700 though..... very small towns like that, I don't believe (unfortunately) the city planning was all that great, especially if this town and plant goes back 60-70 years or more.... people just didn't "plan" things that way back then.


I'm not gonna say there aren't tons of exceptions like this one. But most of what I've seen in rural America, the plant is typically several miles away from the residential and town areas.

I would think a fertilizer plant in particular would be further away, not only from smell but because of the potential for something dangerous like this to occur.
 
2013-04-18 12:17:10 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: FTA: In a safety report on file with the Environmental Protection Agency, the West Fertilizer Co. said that there was no risk of fire or explosion from the ammonia stored near a residential neighborhood and a school, the Dallas Morning News reported. The main hazard was an accidental release of the gas, the report said.

You would think the EPA would know whether that report was total bullshiat just based on the chemicals involved. It's like saying there is no risk of fire from a natural gas pipeline.


My good buddies the Ben Franklin twins here say there ain't.  They say go buy your wife somethin' nice.
 
2013-04-18 12:17:30 PM
Biting the troll-bait (or what should be bait)
The EPA does not file those safety reports, thank the gold old "we'll let you report on your own compliance and just assume you aren't making crap up" approach of people that hate the EPA for that "mistake"
 
2013-04-18 12:18:43 PM
What caused the explosions, chemically?

I get the nitrates (oxygenator) in the fertilizer, but what was the accelerant (ie. fuel)?

/curious chemist
 
2013-04-18 12:19:19 PM

rocinante721: I get the nitrates (oxygenator) in the fertilizer, but what was the accelerant (ie. fuel)?


Bootstraps.
 
2013-04-18 12:21:44 PM

Arkanaut: Actually I imagine the sheer force of a fertilizer plant explosion is orders of magnitudes worse than a pressure-cooker bomb.


Yeah, dude...  The Geological Survey measured a 2.2 magnitude quake from the shockwave.  That's pretty goddam powerful!
 
2013-04-18 12:21:54 PM

Walker: The fertilizer plant that exploded Wednesday night in West, Texas, reported to the Environmental Protection Agency and local public safety officials that it presented no risk of fire or explosion, documents show.

West Fertilizer Co. reported having as much as 54,000 pounds of anhydrous ammonia on hand in an emergency planning report required of facilities that use toxic or hazardous chemicals.

But the report, reviewed Wednesday night by The Dallas Morning News, stated "no" under fire or explosive risks. The worst possible scenario, the report said, would be a 10-minute release of ammonia gas that would kill or injure no one.

The second worst possibility projected was a leak from a broken hose used to transfer the product, again causing no injuries.

Somebody made a boo boo....or out and out lied.
I'm sure the plant operators will be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Buhahahaha. Yeah right.


Or.... it was sabotage. Anyone know if the plant owner(s) are Dem or Rep? Anyone know where Glen Beck is? What about George Bush?

Also, anyone know of any LINKS between this and the Boston Right Wing Outrage?

Hey, I'm just asking questions.....
 
2013-04-18 12:22:29 PM

theenglish: Biting the troll-bait (or what should be bait)
The EPA does not file those safety reports, thank the gold old "we'll let you report on your own compliance and just assume you aren't making crap up" approach of people that hate the EPA for that "mistake"


It's simple. Defund the EPA, then when something bad happens say 'so you guys let the factories report on their own and only conduct random audits, why do we even need you guys, therefore let's completely defund the EPA.'

This is standard GOP practice. Why oh why did Benghazi happen? I'm sure it had nothing to do with Congress defunding the State Department.
 
2013-04-18 12:22:52 PM
In other news, North Korea learns that you really don't need nukes to turn the United States into a war zone.
 
2013-04-18 12:22:55 PM

vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.


It's  more common than than you think. When I lived in NORCO, La, the town was pretty much built around the Shell Refinery. Lots of fun when the Cat Cracker blew up. Luckily, most of the houses were built in the '20s, so damage was minor, except for two fatalities at the plant itself.
 
2013-04-18 12:23:56 PM
Texas: A self correcting problem.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-18 12:25:58 PM

vpb: vernonFL: Its scary how close the neighborhoods and a retirement home were to the fertilizer plant. I don't know about you, but probably just the smell alone would make one want to live farther away. Instead it seemed like it was in the middle of the town.

In a lot of towns the refinery or whatever IS the center of town.  It's why there is a town there.


Yeah, nowadays, it might be built out of town, but back in the day, they didn't worry about such things, they just built wherever they found land, or the city grew around it. Kind of scary to think about. It's the same reason that I have an issue with airports being in the middle of the city, I'm waiting for the day a 737 lands in my back yard...
 
2013-04-18 12:26:25 PM

theenglish: Biting the troll-bait (or what should be bait)
The EPA does not file those safety reports, thank the gold old "we'll let you report on your own compliance and just assume you aren't making crap up" approach of people that hate the EPA for that "mistake"


Yeah, unfortunately this is the case with a lot of government agencies (Federal, State, etc). They lack the manpower and funding and just let industries "police themselves".

Government: "You guys wouldn't lie to us right?"
Industry: "Who us? Noooooooooooooooooooo"
 
2013-04-18 12:27:31 PM

beb004: And the nuts just keep rolling! Someone called in a bomb threat to an Elementary School in Phoenix. Police have since given the all clear but is wrong with some people? http://www.azfamily.com/news/Bomb-threat-at-Longview-Elementary-spark s -evacuation-203603791.html


Probably a kid who hadn't studied for today's test.
 
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