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(WSBTV)   Leaning inside their car, swearing and pointing your gun at them is no way to express your annoyance with another McDonalds drive-thru customer, Officer   (wsbtv.com) divider line 49
    More: Scary, Mcdonald, Forsyth County, pain in the ass, DeKalb County, Scott Biumi  
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2013-04-18 11:03:37 AM
www.dvdactive.com

 
2013-04-18 11:30:38 AM
Done in one.
 
2013-04-18 11:54:12 AM
I want a litre of cola
 
2013-04-18 11:56:47 AM

Oldiron_79: I want a litre of cola


Just order a large farva
 
2013-04-18 11:57:17 AM

Oldiron_79: I want a litre of cola


I don't know what that is.
 
2013-04-18 11:57:33 AM
Two week suspension, paid of course
 
2013-04-18 11:58:18 AM
Bond set at $22,000?  That couldn't have included the obvious count of leaving a car while in a Drive-Thru establishment per code #12.14b.  It should've been set at $22,500!
 
2013-04-18 11:58:21 AM
How do we know they didn't deserve it?
 
2013-04-18 11:59:10 AM
Some paid leave will teach him a lesson.
 
2013-04-18 12:00:57 PM
Another responsible gun owner.

/how did I do?
 
2013-04-18 12:01:27 PM
His only mistake was not killing them, he'd be on paid leave while the union dreams up a reason it was justified.
 
2013-04-18 12:02:54 PM
He's lucky HE didn't get shot.  Plain clothes, unmarked car, badge down on his belt.  Brilliant!

/Then again, he eats at McDonalds' so what else can you expect?
 
2013-04-18 12:04:21 PM
Yes it is. Heard if a lil thing called the 2nd Ammendment Subby?
 
2013-04-18 12:04:29 PM
Of course the only reason this cop was arrested for being a jackass was the security footage. If there was no security camera, the police department would have followed SOP and did nothing.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:51 PM
Expected DeKalb, not Forsyth.
ah, he works in DeKalb county.
 
2013-04-18 12:05:44 PM
He must have already been on the Sheriff's shiat-list to actually get arrested and be facing charges. Otherwise a "chill out and go sleep it off" seems more like the usual outcome.
 
2013-04-18 12:09:52 PM
Another article I saw said the officer is on "paid administrative leave". I don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I'm not the least bit surprised. I won't even be surprised if he keeps his job. When will these pricks actually be held to the same standard the rest of us would?.
 
2013-04-18 12:10:23 PM

max_pooper: Of course the only reason this cop was arrested for being a jackass was the security footage. If there was no security camera, the police department would have followed SOP and did nothing.


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2013-04-18 12:11:24 PM
Never get between a pig and his slop.

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2013-04-18 12:12:35 PM

stuhayes2010: Yes it is. Heard if a lil thing called the 2nd Ammendment Subby?


1/10
 
2013-04-18 12:19:10 PM
I dunno...in this case it sounds totally reasonable.
 
2013-04-18 12:25:30 PM
And if if anyone had used force in an attempt to keep him from killing that customer, they'd be looking at serious jail time.
 
2013-04-18 12:28:59 PM
To bad there wasn't an armed good guy in line.
 
2013-04-18 12:29:44 PM
I would have shot the cop. you come at me and I feel that harm is about to occur to me, my family or others, them out comes the Glock, or anything else I have at the moment.
 
2013-04-18 12:34:28 PM
 
2013-04-18 12:36:41 PM

HotWingConspiracy: His only mistake was not killing them, he'd be on paid leave while the union dreams up a reason it was justified.


Nah, the "He was coming right at me" defense serves for all encounters.
 
2013-04-18 12:36:47 PM

max_pooper: Of course the only reason this cop was arrested for being a jackass was the security footage. If there was no security camera, the police department would have followed SOP and did nothing.


This. I give it five before the 'bad apple' brigade arrives and tries to pretend his arrest is proof cops don't have a serious and widespread corruption problem.
 
2013-04-18 12:39:13 PM

bugmn99: And if if anyone had used force in an attempt to keep him from killing that customer, they'd be looking at serious jail time.


wildlifer: I would have shot the cop. you come at me and I feel that harm is about to occur to me, my family or others, them out comes the Glock, or anything else I have at the moment.


This is what bothers me - I don't know what to do in this situation. Crazy angry armed guy acting like he's about to shoot you for no reason?  For all the ITG bullshiat usually in threads like this, this is the kind of situation your training says you DO shoot to kill and ask questions later.
 
2013-04-18 12:44:00 PM

Texas Gabe: Reminds me of this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPseyY0Vg0E


Damn.
Why do allow this shiat to go on?
 
2013-04-18 12:44:36 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Texas Gabe: Reminds me of this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPseyY0Vg0E

Damn.
Why do allow this shiat to go on?


insert [we]
 
2013-04-18 12:45:00 PM

max_pooper: Of course the only reason this cop was arrested for being a jackass was the security footage. If there was no security camera, the police department would have followed SOP and did nothingarrested the other guy for resisting.

 
2013-04-18 12:45:32 PM

Optimus Composite: Another article I saw said the officer is on "paid administrative leave". I don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I'm not the least bit surprised. I won't even be surprised if he keeps his job. When will these pricks actually be held to the same standard the rest of us would?.


SOP.

I'll give this one less that 50% to keep his job.  A) The incident happened outside his jurisidiction, B) He's a white senior officer in a black county, and C) He violated his certification by pulling his service weapon in a non job related incident.  This last one should get the certification pulled, which would end his career as a cop.

And I don't think the courts in Forsyth are going to cut him a break on his charges, either.  At minimum, he's looking at probation and successful completion of an Anger Management class.
 
2013-04-18 12:51:52 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: Psycoholic_Slag: Texas Gabe: Reminds me of this idiot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPseyY0Vg0E

Damn.
Why do allow this shiat to go on?

insert [we]


Because if you start busting them they strike with pay until you ignore their actions again.
 
2013-04-18 12:53:47 PM
My thing is, please don't use the drive-through if you are ordering for a family of eight; go inside.  The line of cars behind you would be long gone if it weren't for you.

/and by you I mean them, not you.
 
2013-04-18 12:58:07 PM

Optimus Composite: Another article I saw said the officer is on "paid administrative leave". I don't know whether to laugh or cry, and I'm not the least bit surprised. I won't even be surprised if he keeps his job. When will these pricks actually be held to the same standard the rest of us would?.


In this case he's going to be fired.  The "paid administrative leave" is a bit of a misnomer when it comes to cops.  It's more 'you've been reassigned to handling X, that doesn't involve arresting people or carrying a weapon'.  You don't get to go on vacation, you still come into work to write reports, be interviewed, attend counseling, etc...

In this case while the evidence is pretty damning, it's procedure because normally the evidence isn't that good.  The paid admin leave is considered the 'best compromise'.  IE it protects the possibly innocent officer/teacher/employee(by still paying them) while protecting the people(by suspending them).  Then, once the process is complete, you either reinstate or fire them.

I don't object to this part of the system.  The blatant favoritism, on the other hand...
 
2013-04-18 01:01:20 PM

FARK rebel soldier: bugmn99: And if if anyone had used force in an attempt to keep him from killing that customer, they'd be looking at serious jail time.

wildlifer: I would have shot the cop. you come at me and I feel that harm is about to occur to me, my family or others, them out comes the Glock, or anything else I have at the moment.

This is what bothers me - I don't know what to do in this situation. Crazy angry armed guy acting like he's about to shoot you for no reason?  For all the ITG bullshiat usually in threads like this, this is the kind of situation your training says you DO shoot to kill and ask questions later.


Exactly. I could care less what the guy is screaming, I'm focused on that he has a gun pointed in my general direction and is behaving aggressively.

The idiot should be charged with terroristic threating with a firearm.

My CHL laws state that I am allowed to act if I so much as feel for my, or some else's life is threatened . I can then draw my handgun. If a handgun gets drawn, you use it.
 
2013-04-18 01:03:32 PM

highendmighty: My thing is, please don't use the drive-through if you are ordering for a family of eight; go inside.  The line of cars behind you would be long gone if it weren't for you.

/and by you I mean them, not you.


Why? That's not going to save you any time if I order right before you.

Almost every drive through out there in my area has a "Pull forward" place for large orders. The food has to be made by the same people if you are in the driveway or standing at the counter it still is going to slow you, further back in line. The only slight difference is how many bags they hand you.
 
2013-04-18 01:06:23 PM

criscokkat: highendmighty: My thing is, please don't use the drive-through if you are ordering for a family of eight; go inside.  The line of cars behind you would be long gone if it weren't for you.

/and by you I mean them, not you.

Why? That's not going to save you any time if I order right before you.

Almost every drive through out there in my area has a "Pull forward" place for large orders. The food has to be made by the same people if you are in the driveway or standing at the counter it still is going to slow you, further back in line. The only slight difference is how many bags they hand you.


Never go inside a McDonalds.  The franchises get rated on how fast they do the drive through.  You order inside you can be hanging out 10 or 15 minutes, if you are inthe drive through, they will get your food out faster.
 
2013-04-18 01:08:22 PM

highendmighty: My thing is, please don't use the drive-through if you are ordering for a family of eight; go inside. The line of cars behind you would be long gone if it weren't for you.


I live in the area and can tell you the McDonald's in Cumming GA are some of the slowest drive thrus I have ever seen, mainly because there is so little land for the parking lot that they have installed 2 ordering kiosks so cars don't wrap completely around the building.
 
2013-04-18 01:44:23 PM

NutWrench

Another responsible gun owner.

Don't lump gun owners in with cops
1) Many (most?) cops are not firearm aficionados
2) Several studies show that firearm owners have a lower crime rate than cops.
3) Cop are the idiots that start and spread myths like pumping a shotgun will send every villain withing 100 miles running and that a .357 will leave a bowling ball sized exit wound.

In short, they're liars, fools and criminals.
 
2013-04-18 01:53:22 PM
Some other typical DeKalb officers just the past few months:
Two DeKalb County Police officers, a Stone Mountain Police officer and two former county jail officers were among 12 people arrested Feb. 12 in a drug trafficking sting by the FBI.

[ulr=http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/metro-police-officers-arres t ed-corruption-investig/nWMcg/]10 metro officers in an undercover corruption investigation.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/crime-law/dekalb-jailer-fired-arrested-o n -sexual-assault-cha/nWzcG/]DeKalb County detention officer was arrested Thursday on accusations that he sexually assaulted an inmate

Bail of $22,000 Is that what you get for threatening to kill multiple high school students?
(no, it's what the privileged class gets)

Who wants to bet the tape disappears or is ruled inadmissible by some local judge who gets kickback from this gang?
 
2013-04-18 01:54:21 PM

criscokkat: Why? That's not going to save you any time if I order right before you.

Almost every drive through out there in my area has a "Pull forward" place for large orders. The food has to be made by the same people if you are in the driveway or standing at the counter it still is going to slow you, further back in line. The only slight difference is how many bags they hand you.


I think the suggestion was directed more toward those who have the entire family with them in the vehicle, including kids who interrupt "No! I hate apple pie. CHERRY!!!" and delay the order taking process... and hence everyone else in line.

Leave the kids in the car with another adult or a responsible teenager. Or if you don't have one, bring them inside with you. It's generally easier to open another register than construct an additional drive through to accommodate such time consuming customers.
 
2013-04-18 02:14:20 PM

AndreMA: Leave the kids in the car with another adult or a responsible teenager. Or if you don't have one, bring them inside with you. It's generally easier to open another register than construct an additional drive through to accommodate such time consuming customers.


If you're that well organized the drive through isn't a bad option.  While constructing another is difficult, they can serialize the tasks to a large extent to increase throughput.

For example:
Dead slow:  1 person taking orders, money, and giving food.
Medium: 1 person taking orders & money, pull up to get food
High: 1 in each task.
Extreme:  You have somebody filling orders to give to the guy handing them out.

In some cases I've even seen them using 2 boards for ordering.
 
2013-04-18 05:33:33 PM
Too bad there's no background check when you become a detective, otherwise, he wouldn't have had a gun.

/oh wait.
 
2013-04-18 06:33:01 PM

max_pooper: Of course the only reason this cop was arrested for being a jackass was the security footage. If there was no security camera, the police department would have followed SOP and did nothing.


No, the incident took place in another county and fell into a different jurisdiction.  Police departments don't like other gangs doing their own thing on their turf.  Nothing causes more gang on gang violence like turf wars.  Now if the illegal gangs would draw jurisdiction lines and stick to them out of professional courtesy, the gun violence in this country would drop by up to a third.

/can you imagine if the po po gangs started shooting at each other for bigger jurisdictions?
 
2013-04-18 10:46:23 PM

SoundOfOneHandWanking: Too bad there's no background check when you become a detective, otherwise, he wouldn't have had a gun.

/oh wait.


If they did psych screening of police, there would be no one left to eat the donuts.
 
2013-04-19 02:16:57 AM

awalkingecho: stuhayes2010: Yes it is. Heard if a lil thing called the 2nd Ammendment Subby?

1/10


The 2nd Amendment does give people the right to bear arms. Doesn't include the words "except in a drive-thru".
 
2013-04-19 02:25:56 AM

SoundOfOneHandWanking: Too bad there's no background check when you become a detective, otherwise, he wouldn't have had a gun.


They do tend to do background checks on cops.  Problem is, they tend to not re-evaluate them every so often once they're on the job.

Besides that, it's become my belief, through reviews of the evidence, that the problem tends to be less that of bad police officers than bad precincts.  'One bad apple spoils the bunch' type stuff - you get a bad cop in at the top and it spreads.

Very few police officers start out bad.  A good precinct catches 'pre-bad' officers and either corrects the problem or encourages them to find a different career field.  Because it's caught early, it never reaches the point where an officer thinks that pulling his gun appropriate because his service in a drive through was inadequate.

A bad precinct varies between encouraging cops to become bad(take on bad values), not disciplining them, protecting them, attacking whistleblowers, deliberately selecting potentially bad cops(IE you're too smart to work for us type stuff).  A bad precinct will actually corrupt or drive out the best officers.

This helps explain the 'thin blue line' and 'why do the 'good cops' defend the bad ones so much'?  The answer is:  They DON'T.  When a bad cop gets in trouble big enough to hit the news, it's because his whole section is bad, so it's bad cops(maybe only minor bad yet) protecting the bad cop.  The good cops are all in different districts, the problem is out of their jurisdiction, indeed, they're picturing their GOOD precinct and thinking the bad cop is a good cop like them being railroaded.  Well, except for the FBI, but even then they're undermanned and the problem has to reach a certain scale before it's considered part of their job.

My conclusion is that you need to enforce the rules from day 1, even for the minor stuff.  Otherwise they learn they can get away with the minor stuff, and go for more major over time.  The vast majority of officers* that get into the news have extensive disciplinary records, far in excess of their peers(IE rank/time in service/field).  If they were asked to find a different career field before they garnered half that record, we wouldn't have near as many problems.  And with the average payout from officer misconduct approaching the millions, it's cheaper to get rid of them.  Kind of like how you might want to consider firing your delivery driver if he's been in 5 accidents in the last year.

*Sorry, I don't have actual statistics for this, just memories
 
2013-04-19 02:18:52 PM
Too bad those citizens didn't stand their ground.
 
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