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(The Weekly Standard)   "NRA is also in the business of helping bombers get away with their crimes." Hyperbole much?   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 192
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2013-04-18 08:29:02 AM
And if anyone knows hyperbole, it's the "FW:FW:FW:FW: THE GUBMINT GON' GIT YER GUNZ!!!1!!!" crowd
 
2013-04-18 08:29:51 AM
The NRA made me bald!
 
2013-04-18 08:30:05 AM
Oh shiat, Weekly Standard changed their logo.  I almost clicked on that.

Watch out, guys.

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2013-04-18 08:30:14 AM
Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder. But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives. The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation."
 
2013-04-18 08:32:33 AM
Actually, the NRA is in the business of making sure the next crazy person has easy acess to guns.
 
2013-04-18 08:33:40 AM
I saw the NRA in one of the pictures from the finish line. My god, it's all starting to come together.
 
2013-04-18 08:34:17 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Actually, the NRA is in the business of making sure the next crazy person has easy acess to guns.


To be fair, they are in the business of making sure EVERY crazy person has easy access to guns. They're equal opportunity like that.
 
2013-04-18 08:36:38 AM
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.
 
2013-04-18 08:38:00 AM

EyeballKid: And if anyone knows hyperbole, it's the "FW:FW:FW:FW: THE GUBMINT GON' GIT YER GUNZ!!!1!!!" crowd



And we're done.
 
2013-04-18 08:38:12 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Actually, the NRA is in the business of making sure the next crazy person has easy acess to guns.


You better buy 'em quick, the gubmit is coming to git im! This time for reals!
 
2013-04-18 08:39:10 AM
hmmmmm.... Newtown..26 dead  Boston 3 dead

clearly we need a cop in every bedroom making sure nobody builds a bomb, but we can't stop crazy people/gun runners from purchasing weapons BEKUZ SEKUND AMENDAMUNT!
 
2013-04-18 08:39:42 AM
Gunpowder is so easily available that being able to trace purchases to find a link is at the magnitude of insane. An eqviulent argument could be made that the purchase of nails should also be traceable since they were used in the bomb making.  However this argument isn't about finding bombers or blocks to the ATF, it's about a political fight between the NRA and gun control advocates, whom while they have legitimate arguments with the NRA chose to attack them with no sense or reason on every topic.
 
2013-04-18 08:39:58 AM

featurecreep: Tyrone Slothrop: Actually, the NRA is in the business of making sure the next crazy person has easy acess to guns.

To be fair, they are in the business of making sure EVERY crazy person has easy access to guns. They're equal opportunity like that.


To be even fairer, they are in the business of making sure EVERY gun manufacturer gets rich by selling guns to crazy people. Crazy people are the best customers.

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2013-04-18 08:41:37 AM

Pick: How come Obama's DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, did not pass his legislation? Hmmmmm??? Maybe they are smarter than most of you LibTards.


The vote was 54-46. What does "majority" mean in the ward of the insane asylum in which you presently reside?
 
2013-04-18 08:41:44 AM
I can understand the desire to want to add taggants to gunpowder, but gunpowder is a really simple recipe that can be mixed at home.  And if we did require gunpowder to include taggants, I'm not sure the taggants would do much good  if the gun powder of several manufacturers was mixed together.
 
2013-04-18 08:44:57 AM
They'd need to close the gunpowder loophole and tag all charcoal sold in this country.

If you don't tightly control the production of a substance that anyone could make in their garage because it's 13th century technology... then the terrorists will have won.
 
2013-04-18 08:45:25 AM

WTF Indeed: Gunpowder is so easily available that being able to trace purchases to find a link is at the magnitude of insane.


I know it will lead to a Stalinist nightmare, but I'd be okay with people signing a registry to buy it -- along with sudafed and fertilizer.
 
2013-04-18 08:46:38 AM

Aldon: The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a bomb is a good guy with a bomb.


The only way to stay safe from ammonia plant explosions is to make sure everyone has ammonia plant explosions.
 
2013-04-18 08:47:52 AM

Pick: Actually the NRA is in the business of making sure you don't fall prey to the next: Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol-Pot, Mao, Fidel Castro, etc.

But you're to farking stupid to realize it.

How come Obama's DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY, did not pass his legislation? Hmmmmm??? Maybe they are smarter than most of you LibTards.


I thought Obama already was. You guys aren't very consistent with YOUR hyperbole.

The measure did pass with a simple majority. Obama needs 60+ to pass any legislation because of this thing called obstructionism. America sees this and this is exactly why in January of 2015 Obama will have his 60 senate seats back. This time they WON'T work with the other side of the isle. 2014 is going to be another bad year for the GOP. Not passing the background checks that 90% of the population wants, isn't helping them win any elections.
 
2013-04-18 08:48:05 AM

WTF Indeed: However this argument isn't about finding bombers or blocks to the ATF, it's about a political fight between the NRA and gun control advocates, whom while they have legitimate arguments with the NRA chose to attack them with no sense or reason on every topic.


This is why we can't have nice things. As ever, both sides need to come out on top in their game of political one-upmanship has replaced any real desire to address the actual problems.
 
2013-04-18 08:48:25 AM

DarnoKonrad: I know it will lead to a Stalinist nightmare, but I'd be okay with people signing a registry to buy it -- along with sudafed and fertilizer.


People who are really intent will find a way around it the various hoops they may have to jump through, but it could certainly hang up or deter the less committed and more casual offenders who only have the knowledge or craftiness to commit a crime that's easy to commit.
 
2013-04-18 08:49:33 AM

DarnoKonrad: I know it will lead to a Stalinist nightmare, but I'd be okay with people signing a registry to buy it -- along with sudafed and fertilizer.


Sudafed is a war on drugs issue that is an entirely different topic and fertilizer sales are screened by the seller. All fertilizer retailers have been instructed since OKC bombing to report any unusual purchases of fertilizer. Since most fertilizer sales in rural areas the retailer will know everyone buying it and will report suspicious persons to the FBI.
 
2013-04-18 08:50:02 AM

minoridiot: I can understand the desire to want to add taggants to gunpowder, but gunpowder is a really simple recipe that can be mixed at home.  And if we did require gunpowder to include taggants, I'm not sure the taggants would do much good  if the gun powder of several manufacturers was mixed together.


Black powder can last for decades if kept sealed and in a stable environment. If you don't make your own then just buy some old stuff.

I don't think the advocates for taggants realize how much of the stuff is purchased each year.
 
2013-04-18 08:50:24 AM

featurecreep: Tyrone Slothrop: Actually, the NRA is in the business of making sure the next crazy person has easy acess to guns.

To be fair, they are in the business of making sure EVERY crazy person has easy access to guns. They're equal opportunity like that.


Forget guns, they've made sure that homegrown bad-guys can buy untraceable explosives by blocking all legislative efforts to mandate the addition of taggants to gunpowder. They've been blocking this for for decades. Hell, twenty years ago, they tried to block the government from even studying it


 
2013-04-18 08:50:41 AM
Guys, the NRA is filled hyperbolic conspiratorial retards but they're not to blame for every goddamned thing. There's so much farking gunpowder in this country that it'd be damned near impossible to track it down to a specific person.
 
2013-04-18 08:51:04 AM
The vote was 54-46. What does "majority" mean in the ward of the insane asylum in which you presently reside?

A majority vote of 60 was required. They only got 54.
 
2013-04-18 08:51:40 AM
Hey Lawrence...

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2013-04-18 08:52:36 AM

kronicfeld: DarnoKonrad: I know it will lead to a Stalinist nightmare, but I'd be okay with people signing a registry to buy it -- along with sudafed and fertilizer.

People who are really intent will find a way around it the various hoops they may have to jump through, but it could certainly hang up or deter the less committed and more casual offenders who only have the knowledge or craftiness to commit a crime that's easy to commit.


Indeed. The more hoops they have to jump through the more chance they have to fark up.  Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing more bombers blow themselves up trying to cook their explosives in the kitchen.  Make them work for their terror.  We need more good ol' American self reliance in this endeavor.
 
2013-04-18 08:52:59 AM

Pick: The vote was 54-46. What does "majority" mean in the ward of the insane asylum in which you presently reside?

A majority vote of 60 was required. They only got 54.


Which still makes your original post pants-on-head retarded since there aren't 60 Democrats in the Senate.
 
2013-04-18 08:53:48 AM
"Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder. But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives. The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation."

Its nor hyberbole if its true.
 
2013-04-18 08:57:16 AM
it is the year of our lord 2013 and conservative "posters" still do not understand how the senate operates
 
2013-04-18 08:57:44 AM

vernonFL: "Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder. But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives. The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation."

Its nor hyberbole if its true.


The two times in my life I purchased gunpowder, I walked into the sporting goods store and bought a can. They don't mix up a batch at the apothecary for an opportunity to add an individual marker to it.
 
2013-04-18 09:01:49 AM

Hillbilly Jim: vernonFL: "Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder. But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives. The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation."

Its nor hyberbole if its true.

The two times in my life I purchased gunpowder, I walked into the sporting goods store and bought a can. They don't mix up a batch at the apothecary for an opportunity to add an individual marker to it.


The only explanation is that you're playing stupid on purpose. Really.

Because the taggants would be added at the point of manufacture, not the point of sale. Just like they are for plastic explosives, and have been for the past few decades
 
2013-04-18 09:01:51 AM

Hillbilly Jim: The two times in my life I purchased gunpowder, I walked into the sporting goods store and bought a can. They don't mix up a batch at the apothecary for an opportunity to add an individual marker to it.


You have to admit that'd be cool if they did though. It' could be like an old timey soda jerk but with gun powder.
 
2013-04-18 09:04:46 AM

DarnoKonrad: kronicfeld: DarnoKonrad: I know it will lead to a Stalinist nightmare, but I'd be okay with people signing a registry to buy it -- along with sudafed and fertilizer.

People who are really intent will find a way around it the various hoops they may have to jump through, but it could certainly hang up or deter the less committed and more casual offenders who only have the knowledge or craftiness to commit a crime that's easy to commit.

Indeed. The more hoops they have to jump through the more chance they have to fark up.  Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing more bombers blow themselves up trying to cook their explosives in the kitchen.  Make them work for their terror.  We need more good ol' American self reliance in this endeavor.


Gunpowder is easy to create at home. Therefore your argument that gunpowder sales need to be registered makes no logical sense. However lets take your argument out for a spin. If gunpowder can be made a home, then it's ingredients need to be on a register as well.  So now sulfur, charcoal, and potassium nitrate are all materials that require a national government register, and that point you've made a 1984-type move.
 
2013-04-18 09:06:44 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Hillbilly Jim: vernonFL: "Gunpowder could be traced by investigators to a buyer at the point of sale if gunpowder contained a taggant, an element that would enable tracing of the purchase of gunpowder. But thanks to the National Rifle Association, identification taggants are required by law only in plastic explosives. The NRA has successfully blocked any requirements for such taggants in gunpowder. So such supremely helpful evidence as taggants are not available to the FBI in this investigation."

Its nor hyberbole if its true.

The two times in my life I purchased gunpowder, I walked into the sporting goods store and bought a can. They don't mix up a batch at the apothecary for an opportunity to add an individual marker to it.

The only explanation is that you're playing stupid on purpose. Really.

Because the taggants would be added at the point of manufacture, not the point of sale. Just like they are for plastic explosives, and have been for the past few decades


The point, which flew over your head, is that taggants at the point of manufacture would be near pointless. Here is a hint, gunpowder is way more readily available than plastic explosive.
 
2013-04-18 09:08:34 AM

Aarontology: Hillbilly Jim: The two times in my life I purchased gunpowder, I walked into the sporting goods store and bought a can. They don't mix up a batch at the apothecary for an opportunity to add an individual marker to it.

You have to admit that'd be cool if they did though. It' could be like an old timey soda jerk but with gun powder.


DOOD I think we have a business model here. Personal mixed gunpowder, we can have jars of penny bullets and wear those spiffy white aprons and hats!
 
2013-04-18 09:13:05 AM
They pay good money to keep the BATFE(XPLOSIVES) a broken institution.
 
2013-04-18 09:13:15 AM

Hillbilly Jim: The point, which flew over your head, is that taggants at the point of manufacture would be near pointless. Here is a hint, gunpowder is way more readily available than plastic explosive.


Are they more available than commercial food items? Because we are at least somewhat able to track where food items are shipped in the case of contamination. So, unless we are selling way more gunpowder than lettuce, you are wrong.
 
2013-04-18 09:13:36 AM

Hillbilly Jim: Aarontology: Hillbilly Jim: The two times in my life I purchased gunpowder, I walked into the sporting goods store and bought a can. They don't mix up a batch at the apothecary for an opportunity to add an individual marker to it.

You have to admit that'd be cool if they did though. It' could be like an old timey soda jerk but with gun powder.

DOOD I think we have a business model here. Personal mixed gunpowder, we can have jars of penny bullets and wear those spiffy white aprons and hats!


Hell yeah! For a little extra, we can throw something in to make the smoke various colors.
 
2013-04-18 09:14:18 AM
Taggants in gunpowder? That is first I have heard of that. Fertilizer sure, but not gunpowder.

And "slow investigation"? It's been 3 days. Calm down.
 
2013-04-18 09:15:05 AM

Hillbilly Jim: The point, which flew over your head, is that taggants at the point of manufacture would be near pointless. Here is a hint, gunpowder is way more readily available than plastic explosive.


I think the advocates for them assume only a small amount is made each year. A lot can be thousands of pounds of the stuff. Good luck sending the few dozen agents around to interview thousands of people across the entirety of the nation.
 
2013-04-18 09:15:53 AM

GameSprocket: Hillbilly Jim: The point, which flew over your head, is that taggants at the point of manufacture would be near pointless. Here is a hint, gunpowder is way more readily available than plastic explosive.

Are they more available than commercial food items? Because we are at least somewhat able to track where food items are shipped in the case of contamination. So, unless we are selling way more gunpowder than lettuce, you are wrong.


And what happens when food items are recalled? Usually stocks are taken off the shelves in many states across several lot numbers. to be sure to get the tainted product. How does this reinforce your point?
 
2013-04-18 09:15:55 AM

HotWingConspiracy: They pay good money to keep the BATFE(XPLOSIVES) a broken institution.


IIRC, that agency doesn't even have a Director, since the Senate has blocked all nominations.
 
2013-04-18 09:16:01 AM

WTF Indeed: Gunpowder is so easily available that being able to trace purchases to find a link is at the magnitude of insane. An eqviulent argument could be made that the purchase of nails should also be traceable since they were used in the bomb making.  However this argument isn't about finding bombers or blocks to the ATF, it's about a political fight between the NRA and gun control advocates, whom while they have legitimate arguments with the NRA chose to attack them with no sense or reason on every topic.


One of the reasons the Unibomber was hard to catch was that forensics were difficult when his devices were basically built from scrap.

Identifying the make of some store bought nails would have been a valuable clue.
 
2013-04-18 09:16:39 AM
Oh no, a crazy person killed people without a gun?  Find some way to blame the NRA!

Because if something's going to catch the identity of a bomber, it's going to be a chemical trace of a gunpowder that was made in batches of thousands, purchasable with cash, and has a shelf life of decades!
 
2013-04-18 09:16:53 AM

HotWingConspiracy: They pay good money to keep the BATFE(XPLOSIVES) a broken institution.


Why do that? It's like writing ATM(achine) or FBI(nvestigations).
 
2013-04-18 09:17:46 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Identifying the make of some store bought nails would have been a valuable clue.


This is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read on Fark.
 
2013-04-18 09:20:34 AM

minoridiot: I'm not sure the taggants would do much good if the gun powder of several manufacturers was mixed together.



I'm guessing that would make tracing even easier -- two or three or more leads to follow, and corroboration from more than one source would make a case even more persuasive.


Mrbogey: They'd need to close the gunpowder loophole and tag all charcoal sold in this country.

If you don't tightly control the production of a substance that anyone could make in their garage because it's 13th century technology...



Would your point still stand if they wanted to tag Nitrates? I know the stuff farmers buy can make an effective bomb when mixed with diesel or whatever it was that the "patriot" who killed all those people in OKC used, but does it work in gunpowder recipes? If not, is it easy to purify using fractional crystallization?
 
2013-04-18 09:21:06 AM
Yeah I can see nothing wrong with having taggants in gunpowder....I mean you go to a sand pit or gun range and get everyone elses taggants all over your shoes and transfer them from the soles of your shoes to your cars floor mats where they will say you obviously trasported the bomb, your carpet at home, your garage floor where you obviously built the bomb......


But keep trying to link everything that happens in this country to the NRA....it is obviously bcoming the lefts white whale.

FROM HELLS HEART I STAB AT THE NRA!


/they took my thumbleg, pauly.
 
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