NumberFiveIsAlive: The US military is just that. Military. Occupations have never been a solid part of military training. Kill bad guys, break their shiat, bring in food and other stuff for the civies that suffered from the op. You want a solid occupation? Bring back law enforcement. Let them do their jobs. The problem is Iraqi cops were corrupt shiatheads that helped to terrorize the people. Except Senior shiathead decided that means we should completely disband them and re-invent the wheel.HOLY CRAP did anyone NOT see that decision ending badly? Boots often facepalm or even facedesk over the decisions made by the brass and the suits.
jakomo002: NumberFiveIsAlive: Shock and Awe was a stupid "Hey look at what we can do" public relations idiocy. Though it wasn't to keep the civilians from fighting, it was to get the guys with guns to put them down. This means the military. Soldiers tend to surrender in droves when they hate being drafted to fight an army that clearly outclasses them 1000 to 1. Also when they're hungry, and they know the "enemy" will feed them and eventually let them go home.The only ones looking for those "pats on the back" for fixing what we broke were the suits up top and the contractors benefiting from it. The boots hated that. Blow up a road, and we have to fix it to use it later. Blow up a power plant, we have to fix it to keep the civies from rioting. Granted, we did it to keep the enemy from being able to communicate and fight back also, but we knew we would have to fix those, and we didn't expect to be thanked for it. Except by, you know, not planting bombs on us.I agree with almost all of what you say. The only thing I would point out is that "Shock and Awe" was probably perceived far differently by the people cowering in their bathtubs, holding their crying kids while bombs explode all over their neighbourhoods.With Iraq, I find it hard to believe that the US military could go SO WRONG when it came to "winning hearts and minds". Pretty much along every step of the way, they turned hearts and minds against them, radicalizing far more people than they "won over", because they were heavy-handed and looked at things from a military point of view.They could have won over far more people with compassion and a modiucm of understanding than busting down doors in the night and whisking away "suspected militants" to be tortured in the very same prisons Saddam used.
mat catastrophe: epyonyx: Anyone else think that the bombing was just a random nutjob? Wouldn't a terrorist group have claimed this by now?Yes and yes.
Seraphym: Read the Sheriff of Ramadi, about the development of the tactics that agreed with what you just said, which our forces adopted finally, and which led to the "Anbar Awakening." Much of it was recognizing basic human behavior in an unstable population and turning that to work in our favor, along with the brutality of the insurgents against the common Iraqis finally coming back on them.
OtherLittleGuy: First the Pakistan Taliban and the Ayatollah. I love them coming out of the woodwork to say "It wasn't me! It wasn't me!"
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