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(Politico)   The media's marathon meltdown. Worse than Chernobyl and sadder than Wolf Blitzer's Jeopardy score, but like a terrible car accident, you can't help but look on in horror at the state of the media   (politico.com) divider line 127
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2013-04-18 08:33:28 AM
for those that missed it, here's the full 90 minutes of fail
 
2013-04-18 09:08:41 AM
Now as then, many of the nation's most trusted, established media organizations

There are people who trust 24-hour news networks? Have they ever actually watched those channels?
 
2013-04-18 09:13:23 AM
When they had to correct themselves later, I was thinking that maybe it was some strategic play by the authorities.  Otherwise, the "source" farked up royally and the media farked up even more by not having it confirmed by someone other than a janitor at precinct 12.
 
2013-04-18 09:18:50 AM

Sybarite: There are people who trust 24-hour news networks? Have they ever actually watched those channels?


I imagine them a lot like the precogs in Minority Report
 
2013-04-18 09:27:08 AM
Did people not notice that the "news media" warped into the "frantically grabbing attention because TERROR BOOM SPLODEY COOL! conglomerate" in 1991?
 
2013-04-18 09:27:41 AM
Within a few years all media will be state-owned and then we will all get the news that they see fit to show us.
 
2013-04-18 09:28:12 AM
Mocking the media?
On Fark dot com?
 
2013-04-18 09:28:44 AM
You'd probably get higher quality coverage from a junior high yearbook club.
 
2013-04-18 09:28:45 AM
The media is just selling a product and sometimes news is involved.
 
2013-04-18 09:28:56 AM

karnal: Within a few years all media will be state-owned and then we will all get the news that they see fit to show us.


I thought all media already was state-owned except for Fox News.

/oh wait, that's Soros-owned, isn't it
 
2013-04-18 09:29:10 AM
Freaking media, try this for once, when theres nothing to report on an incident, report that theres nothing new to report, do not make shiat up.
 
2013-04-18 09:29:23 AM
Wolf Blitzer always talks like he has something going up his ass.  The farker is annoying at all times.
 
2013-04-18 09:29:55 AM
I said it in the original thread when the NY Post said they had arrested a Saudi national ... I knew it was all over.  The first one to fall usually drags everyone else down with them ... this is proof positive why 24 hour 'news' networks are full of fail, irrespective of their political affiliations.  It's just a shame so many people seem to use them as their primary sources of what in the fark is going on.
 
2013-04-18 09:29:57 AM
The good news is that this is yet one more episode that writers for HBO's "The Network" won't have to lift a finger to create. I look forward to lots of lip-curling Will McAvoy angst as he exchanges rapid-fire, witty, up-to-the-last-minute debate with MacKenzie on whether to run with the lead or hold out for confirmation
 
2013-04-18 09:30:32 AM
It's congress and their corporate overlords who benefit the most from keeping us terrorized. Including the corporate owned media.

Correction...  ESPECIALLYthe corporate owned media.
 
2013-04-18 09:33:17 AM
John King needs to return to what he's good at, shrinking and expanding maps on a large screen. How dumb do you have to be to have Wolf Blitzer over you in the newsroom?

Also waiting for Anderson Cooper to be eaten by a bear. Interpret that sentence however you like.
 
2013-04-18 09:33:39 AM

Pocket Ninja: The good news is that this is yet one more episode that writers for HBO's "The Network" won't have to lift a finger to create. I look forward to lots of lip-curling Will McAvoy angst as he exchanges rapid-fire, witty, up-to-the-last-minute debate with MacKenzie on whether to run with the lead or hold out for confirmation


Kind of like how Law n Order writers just open up the City section of the newspaper before writing an episode
 
2013-04-18 09:34:28 AM

Pocket Ninja: The good news is that this is yet one more episode that writers for HBO's "The Network" won't have to lift a finger to create. I look forward to lots of lip-curling Will McAvoy angst as he exchanges rapid-fire, witty, up-to-the-last-minute debate with MacKenzie on whether to run with the lead or hold out for confirmation


Just as long as they walk around the newsroom really fast while they are doing it.
 
2013-04-18 09:34:47 AM
This was pretty obvious during the ACA SCOTUS ruling where the news channels were calling the ruling every different way trying to out scoop each other.
 
2013-04-18 09:34:54 AM

bdub77: John King needs to return to what he's good at, shrinking and expanding maps on a large screen. How dumb do you have to be to have Wolf Blitzer over you in the newsroom?

Also waiting for Anderson Cooper to be eaten by a bear. Interpret that sentence however you like.


I don't want that vision in my head dude!
 
2013-04-18 09:34:59 AM
good lord, if i read 'as in' one more effing time......
 
2013-04-18 09:35:04 AM
I was shocked to hear CNN had even bothered to cover the bombing. I've long since given up on it as a source of actual news, since 99% of the headlines usually involve a celebrity of some kind.
 
2013-04-18 09:35:44 AM
www.inquisitr.com

Hey CNN, when you want to know what's happening, just ask Andy Richter.
 
2013-04-18 09:36:43 AM
Conservatives are thinking "You just noticed???"
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-18 09:37:21 AM
The media, as a whole, are farktwits. Staffed with trogs who otherwise would be asking "want fries with that?" (with deepest apologies to fast-food purveyors)
 
2013-04-18 09:37:53 AM
'as in'
 
2013-04-18 09:39:06 AM
I love this picture so much...
www.freeimagehosting.net
 
2013-04-18 09:39:50 AM

somedude210: for those that missed it, here's the full 90 minutes of fail


2.44. No Jump. Want all 90 mins. Whar?
 
2013-04-18 09:40:19 AM

Sybarite: Now as then, many of the nation's most trusted, established media organizations

There are people who trust 24-hour news networks? Have they ever actually watched those channels?


They are absolutely the very worst thing to happen to professional journalism.

Instead of having a buffer of several hours, or perhaps a day, to confirm facts, gather additional information, to have additional (and hopefully skeptical) eyeballs look at the story, in addition to space and time restrictions that help to limit wild speculation on their part, they operate on a minute by minute basis, and they have pressure to rush the story out before the other networks scoop them, and they have to fill 24 hours with *SOMETHING*.

There are times when I wonder if they in fact do more damage to the national debate on important subjects than they do good.   And I include all of them in this:  FoxNews, MSNBC, CNN, et al.  It's got nothing to do with political leaning, it's a problem inherent in the format itself.  It's kind of like the old Betamax vs.VHS debate:  You may think one is better than the other, but in the end they are both videotapes, and suffer from the same disadvantages inherent in that general format.  Those inherent disadvantages weren't fixed until something came along to supplant them.

I'm not sure that the same thing is going to happen with the 24 hour news channels, however.

Having said that, Freedom of the Press is one of those sacred things in the US Constitution.  I would no sooner impose significant restrictions on the press than I would on gun owners (and I'm sure you all know where I stand on that one).
 
2013-04-18 09:40:46 AM
Were there any 24-hour news outlets that covered this story properly?
 
2013-04-18 09:41:02 AM
i171.photobucket.com

This shiat writes itself.

/I'm getting way too much use out of this.
 
2013-04-18 09:41:10 AM
This is what we get when we demand DETAILS of everything be delivered to our smartphones before the smoke dissipates and that those details be SENSATIONAL. You get what you pay for. All of the best journalists have left the profession because they know that what is being produced today isn't journalism at all; it's entertainment and prurient entertainment at that.
 
2013-04-18 09:41:15 AM

ObeliskToucher: Conservatives are thinking "You just noticed???"


Um, then who is watching FOX News?
 
2013-04-18 09:41:40 AM

bdub77: John King needs to return to what he's good at, shrinking and expanding maps on a large screen. How dumb do you have to be to have Wolf Blitzer over you in the newsroom?

Also waiting for Anderson Cooper to be eaten by a bear. Interpret that sentence however you like.


Probably happens nightly
 
2013-04-18 09:41:58 AM
If the media doesn't keep its viewers riveted then they won't generate as much ad revenue. It's all dollars and no sense.
 
2013-04-18 09:42:21 AM

Pocket Ninja: The good news is that this is yet one more episode that writers for HBO's "The Network" won't have to lift a finger to create. I look forward to lots of lip-curling Will McAvoy angst as he exchanges rapid-fire, witty, up-to-the-last-minute debate with MacKenzie on whether to run with the lead or hold out for confirmation


The first PN post I can remember that isn't trollolol ... good form, sir, good form.

/I love "The Network" ...
 
2013-04-18 09:42:44 AM
Isn't the situation they're bumbling in now the one they swore would happen to anyone that chose chaotic and unreliable internet news instead of their fine, upstanding journalism?
 
2013-04-18 09:43:39 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: karnal: Within a few years all media will be state-owned and then we will all get the news that they see fit to show us.

I thought all media already was state-owned except for Fox News.

/oh wait, that's Soros-owned, isn't it


In an interview on MSNBC's 'Morning Joe,' Joe Biden praised and thanked MSNBC for their part in bringing about gun control.

mikesright.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-18 09:44:58 AM

gja: The media, as a whole, are farktwits. Staffed with trogs who otherwise would be asking "want fries with that?" (with deepest apologies to fast-food purveyors)


See, that's what happens when you hire people with journalism degrees and have them write about stuff they have no comprehension on, instead of hiring people who are experienced in those areas and just coaching them on how to write effectively to a mass audience.
 
2013-04-18 09:45:36 AM
It won't get better until there is accountability for our media.

Sure there are tons of independent "media ethics" organizations that are trying to raise awareness about the ineptitude of American media, but how do we even accomplish this?

I listened to a Freakonomics podcast awhile back, titled "The Folly of Prediction" and I think this would be a great start...

Vlad Mixich, a reporter in Bucharest, who describes how the Romanian "witch" industry (fortune-tellers, really) has been under attack - including a proposal to fine and imprison witches if their predictions turn out to be false.
 
2013-04-18 09:46:19 AM

seadoo2006: Pocket Ninja: The good news is that this is yet one more episode that writers for HBO's "The Network" won't have to lift a finger to create. I look forward to lots of lip-curling Will McAvoy angst as he exchanges rapid-fire, witty, up-to-the-last-minute debate with MacKenzie on whether to run with the lead or hold out for confirmation

The first PN post I can remember that isn't trollolol ... good form, sir, good form.

/I love "The Network" ...


How do you know it's not a double bluff?

/It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.
 
2013-04-18 09:46:20 AM
BREAKING NEWS - unconfirmed REPORT OF KIM JONG UN alleged CONVERSION TO ISLAM, maybe DECLARES JIHAD AGAINST NATIONS OF NEW ZEALAND AND JAMAICA. STANDBY FOR DEVELOPING INFORMATION and corrections/retractions/apologies.
 
2013-04-18 09:46:33 AM

gglibertine: I was shocked to hear CNN had even bothered to cover the bombing. I've long since given up on it as a source of actual news, since 99% of the headlines usually involve a celebrity of some kind.


You make a point there....   never thought of it, but it's true.
 
2013-04-18 09:47:56 AM
Well, my cable is currently out, because those a**holes at Comcast have once again raised my rates. I have the blue screen of death telling me that I need to upgrade my equipment (which means getting a box from them, at the cost of another $2.00 a month) so they can keep their box, and I'll do without. Renting movies at the library for free will do just fine for me.
 
2013-04-18 09:48:31 AM

Daeva: Freaking media, try this for once, when theres nothing to report on an incident, report that theres nothing new to report, do not make shiat up.


That will never happen, because then you would stop watching and miss the next commercial break.

Here's thing: Wil Wheaton was the first person to tell me that a bomb had exploded in Boston, via Twitter. Many other Twitter people followed suit, and they also gave me the first pictures of the scene, taken by someone with an iPhone. After that, I came right here to get more info/discussion.

It's over, traditional media outlets. When it comes to "breaking news", you can't compete with Twitter/message boards/other social media and web sites. And you're damn sure not going to be able to compete with whatever comes next and replaces these sites. Stop trying.
 
2013-04-18 09:48:35 AM
As expected, Stewart and Colbert pounced last night.
 
2013-04-18 09:49:39 AM

bdub77: John King needs to return to what he's good at, shrinking and expanding maps on a large screen. How dumb do you have to be to have Wolf Blitzer over you in the newsroom?

Also waiting for Anderson Cooper to be eaten by a bear. Interpret that sentence however you like.


Alright... this comment gets a +1 for sure.
 
2013-04-18 09:52:30 AM

bdub77: John King needs to return to what he's good at, shrinking and expanding maps on a large screen. How dumb do you have to be to have Wolf Blitzer over you in the newsroom?

Also waiting for Anderson Cooper to be eaten by a bear. Interpret that sentence however you like.


You mean swallowed by a bear.
 
2013-04-18 09:52:32 AM
MSNBC, at this time, seems like a Political Action Comittee rather anything close to News Broadcasting.
 
2013-04-18 09:54:26 AM

dittybopper: seadoo2006: Pocket Ninja: The good news is that this is yet one more episode that writers for HBO's "The Network" won't have to lift a finger to create. I look forward to lots of lip-curling Will McAvoy angst as he exchanges rapid-fire, witty, up-to-the-last-minute debate with MacKenzie on whether to run with the lead or hold out for confirmation

The first PN post I can remember that isn't trollolol ... good form, sir, good form.

/I love "The Network" ...

How do you know it's not a double bluff?

/It's an X-K-Red 27 technique.


Shiat ... I read it again and you might be right ... he's trollolo-ing us all anyways,
 
2013-04-18 09:55:09 AM

browntimmy: ObeliskToucher: Conservatives are thinking "You just noticed???"

Um, then who is watching FOX News?


Democrats.
From Howard Stern Private Parts:Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for - are you ready for this? - an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."
 
2013-04-18 09:56:02 AM

netcentric: MSNBC, at this time, seems like a Political Action Comittee rather anything close to News Broadcasting.


And Fox, and CNN and ABC ... don't kid yourselves ... they're all in it for the money and the political power that comes with the money and airtime.
 
2013-04-18 09:57:57 AM

vudukungfu: Mocking the media?
On Fark dot com?


It's more likely than you think....
 
2013-04-18 09:58:48 AM
I keep seeing gun lovers on message boards, and threads posting about how we're blaming the bomber and not the bomb, but during a shooting we blame guns...

I just need to say this somewhere:

BOMBS CANNOT BE PURCHASED AT K-MART, WHEN BOMBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE FOR JUST ABOUT ANYONE TO BUY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS WE'LL BLAME BOMBS.
 
2013-04-18 10:00:38 AM

hobbes0022: I keep seeing gun lovers on message boards, and threads posting about how we're blaming the bomber and not the bomb, but during a shooting we blame guns...

I just need to say this somewhere:

BOMBS CANNOT BE PURCHASED AT K-MART, WHEN BOMBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE FOR JUST ABOUT ANYONE TO BUY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS WE'LL BLAME BOMBS.


Also, when the number of people killed by bombs approaches 0.01% of the number of people killed by guns.
 
2013-04-18 10:00:46 AM

FC Exile: somedude210: for those that missed it, here's the full 90 minutes of fail

2.44. No Jump. Want all 90 mins. Whar?


I think nyan cat video is about as accurate and long.
 
2013-04-18 10:01:16 AM
As I posted to Drew last night... I am a consumer also and when the Haye! FARK app went off I rushed to check and stayed till I rec
 
2013-04-18 10:01:43 AM
One of my favorite comments from Twitter:

Mark Mardell @BBCMarkMardell

CNN very postmodern right now - fragmented versions of reality from multiple unreliable narrators
 
2013-04-18 10:01:57 AM
Crap. Recognized the whargarble then left.

You can have it fast or you can have it accurate.
 
2013-04-18 10:03:02 AM

ObeliskToucher: Conservatives are thinking "You just noticed???"


It was Fox News and CNN's not-so-thinly-veiled conservative John King who screwed the pooch.

The "liberal" bastions of CBS and NBC got it right.
 
2013-04-18 10:04:39 AM
We get what we deserve.  You know why CNN airs celebrity nonsense?  Because when they put up solidly researched segments on economics, nobody watches.  When they put up a piece on whatever the hell Lindsey Lohan is doing these days, people watch.

We have met the enemy, and they are us.
 
2013-04-18 10:05:07 AM
I find the most reliable and factual information on major news in the current events section of Wikipedia.   Everything is open-sourced and they provide factual background information.
 
2013-04-18 10:06:41 AM
As I said in the other thread, they won't change a thing and this article fits step 3 to a T

The cycle seems to repeat itself every time.

- Events happens
- The media trips over themselves trying to "scoop" one another with new information.  Most of this is proven false and then blamed on "fog of war"
- 24-48 hours passes and some influential, but fringe, players in the media begin navel gazing about how the media got it wrong and how they should do better
- They never do
 
2013-04-18 10:07:58 AM

jayhawk88: It's over, traditional media outlets. When it comes to "breaking news", you can't compete with Twitter/message boards/other social media and web sites. And you're damn sure not going to be able to compete with whatever comes next and replaces these sites. Stop trying.


Yup. Checked Facebook during a lull in class. 19 minutes from the first blast, it was all over the feeds. Went to Twitter. Pics, tweets, first-hand. Went to Fark. News Flash. Fark CNN.
 
2013-04-18 10:08:15 AM
The book "Columbine" does a fantastic job deconstructing media fail as it related to Columbine (obviously)
 
2013-04-18 10:09:06 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 10:09:39 AM
Please, oh please let this be the impetus for CNN putting Wolf Blitzer on extended hiatus. He is the worst and I just can't understand why they insist on trotting that smarmy a-hole out every time something big happens.
 
2013-04-18 10:11:19 AM

LandOfChocolate: - Events happens
- The media trips over themselves trying to "scoop" one another with new information. Most of this is proven false and then blamed on "fog of war"
- 24-48 hours passes and some influential, but fringe, players in the media begin navel gazing about how the media got it wrong and how they should do better
- They never do


I wonder if there would be a market for a news outlet that didn't report anything on news that was less than two hours old.  This would give them a chance to vett stories better, and they wouldn't get caught by some of the dumb fliers that get shot down immediately.  You would lose some immediacy, but I think that you could improve the quality of your news a lot with just an hour or two of delay.

/0.02
 
2013-04-18 10:12:59 AM
It's easy to point the finger at CNN, FOX, etc., but the fact remains that viewership is their only real goal.  Any truth that is part of the story is nice, but certainly not necessary for them to run their businesses.

We now have so many options of where to get our information.  It's up to us as consumers to be able to think critically enough to be able to determine what's worth our time, and what's not.  If people stopped paying attention to the vapid garbage broadcast by these stations, eventually it will go away.
 
2013-04-18 10:15:27 AM

theorellior: One of my favorite comments from Twitter:

Mark Mardell @BBCMarkMardell

CNN very postmodern right now - fragmented versions of reality from multiple unreliable narrators


so perfect.  Irrespective of your position on the political scale, NOBODY likes or appreciates inaccurate reporting.
The Poynter Institute cashes in it's chips and goes away.
 
2013-04-18 10:15:40 AM

LawPD: Please, oh please let this be the impetus for CNN putting Wolf Blitzer on extended hiatus. He is the worst and I just can't understand why they insist on trotting that smarmy a-hole out every time something big happens.


I'd even take Larry King as a replacement.
 
2013-04-18 10:15:45 AM
I just really don't understand why these networks feel the need to get the "scoop" when there really is no scoop.  When there's an arrest made or major breakthrough in the case, we're all going to find out about it soon enough directly from the source, regardless of which media outlet tells us about it first.  You're not breaking a story, you're just reporting what will become common knowledge soon enough.

Do some actual reporting, don't just rush "source" information to the air because you think it's important to be first.
 
2013-04-18 10:17:10 AM

LawPD: Please, oh please let this be the impetus for CNN putting Wolf Blitzer on extended hiatus. He is the worst and I just can't understand why they insist on trotting that smarmy a-hole out every time something big happens.


At least they got rid of Solodad Obrien.  All she did was play music for 2 hours.
 
2013-04-18 10:18:04 AM
One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.
Learn to swim.

Cause I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom, please flush it all away.
I wanna see it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.
Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.
I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.
 
2013-04-18 10:18:18 AM

BalugaJoe: LawPD: Please, oh please let this be the impetus for CNN putting Wolf Blitzer on extended hiatus. He is the worst and I just can't understand why they insist on trotting that smarmy a-hole out every time something big happens.

At least they got rid of Solodad Obrien.  All she did was play music for 2 hours.


Hey that's more than MTV does.
 
2013-04-18 10:20:25 AM
Search Politico "Boston marathon bomb"

-112 results-

/Amused at Politico reporting on the media meltdown
 
2013-04-18 10:23:12 AM
You won't get the real story for 75 more years.
 
2013-04-18 10:23:23 AM

fireclown: LandOfChocolate: - Events happens
- The media trips over themselves trying to "scoop" one another with new information. Most of this is proven false and then blamed on "fog of war"
- 24-48 hours passes and some influential, but fringe, players in the media begin navel gazing about how the media got it wrong and how they should do better
- They never do

I wonder if there would be a market for a news outlet that didn't report anything on news that was less than two hours old.  This would give them a chance to vett stories better, and they wouldn't get caught by some of the dumb fliers that get shot down immediately.  You would lose some immediacy, but I think that you could improve the quality of your news a lot with just an hour or two of delay.

/0.02


Yep. It was called the nightly news. It died in the WTC on 9/11. It's been replaced with fluff and hung out to dry. There were way less copy cats ass they mulled the decision of what information to release.

The public's need for immediate gratification has been lit and any attempt to go back will be met from all sides as censorship.

Le sigh. The good ole days where we wanted for cartoons and news. Now we have to personally filter through 24 hours of shiat and self-edit the information until we all give up and refuse any more in.
 
2013-04-18 10:24:00 AM

fireclown: We get what we deserve.  You know why CNN airs celebrity nonsense?  Because when they put up solidly researched segments on economics, nobody watches.  When they put up a piece on whatever the hell Lindsey Lohan is doing these days, people watch.

We have met the enemy, and they are us.


Or ^^^^ this
 
2013-04-18 10:25:10 AM

Toby Flenderson: It's easy to point the finger at CNN, FOX, etc., but the fact remains that viewership is their only real goal.  Any truth that is part of the story is nice, but certainly not necessary for them to run their businesses.

We now have so many options of where to get our information.  It's up to us as consumers to be able to think critically enough to be able to determine what's worth our time, and what's not.  If people stopped paying attention to the vapid garbage broadcast by these stations, eventually it will go away.


Viewership could be an excuse for FOX, but CNN ratings have been plummeting for years and they keep getting dumber.
 
2013-04-18 10:25:27 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 10:25:46 AM
robot6.comicbookresources.com
 
2013-04-18 10:27:54 AM

somedude210: for those that missed it, here's the full 90 minutes of fail


I'm sure it's chock full of fail, but I think I'll avoid watching it out of concern it will deplete any remaining hope I may have left for Humanity and want to start making some pressure cooker bombs of my own.
 
2013-04-18 10:27:54 AM

hobbes0022: BOMBS CANNOT BE PURCHASED AT K-MART, WHEN BOMBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE FOR JUST ABOUT ANYONE TO BUY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS WE'LL BLAME BOMBS.


Actually, yes you can:

http://www.kmart.com/search=pressure%20cooker

http://www.kmart.com/search=kitchen%20timer

http://www.kmart.com/search=batteries

http://www.kmart.com/search=wire

http://www.kmart.com/search=day%20packs

http://www.kmart.com/estes-model-rocket-igniters-6-pkg/p-021V0056138 24 000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

Add in Pyrodex available over the counter at Dick's Sporting Goods and Wal*Mart, and you've got everything you need to replicate the bombs used in Boston.  Some assembly required.
 
2013-04-18 10:29:20 AM

BalugaJoe: At least they got rid of Solodad Obrien. All she did was play music for 2 hours.


I liked Solodad. Sure the format of her show sucked ass, who the fark cares what some idiot minor celebrity's opinion of the days new is but at least she had the stones to stand up to the people she was interviewing that came on the show to spew bullshiat.
 
2013-04-18 10:30:25 AM

dittybopper: hobbes0022: BOMBS CANNOT BE PURCHASED AT K-MART, WHEN BOMBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE FOR JUST ABOUT ANYONE TO BUY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS WE'LL BLAME BOMBS.

Actually, yes you can:

http://www.kmart.com/search=pressure%20cooker

http://www.kmart.com/search=kitchen%20timer

http://www.kmart.com/search=batteries

http://www.kmart.com/search=wire

http://www.kmart.com/search=day%20packs

http://www.kmart.com/estes-model-rocket-igniters-6-pkg/p-021V0056138 24 000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

Add in Pyrodex available over the counter at Dick's Sporting Goods and Wal*Mart, and you've got everything you need to replicate the bombs used in Boston.  Some assembly required.


Did you just search in all this now?
Was it already bookmarked?
Who's at your door?
 
2013-04-18 10:31:24 AM
heh...the only "news" I watch on television is the PBS Newshour. Nothing sensational, no screaming heads, just calm, factual reporting. And no commercials.
 
2013-04-18 10:32:10 AM
Politico lecturing  on journalism ethics is a bit like Mel Gibson lecturing people that they should really earn how to get control of their anger management.
 
2013-04-18 10:32:50 AM

karnal: In an interview on MSNBC's 'Morning Joe,' Joe Biden praised and thanked MSNBC for their part in bringing about gun control.

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That is not what he said but I guess paraphrasing and inaccuracies will always have a home on the interwebby and network news.
 
2013-04-18 10:33:59 AM

dittybopper: hobbes0022: BOMBS CANNOT BE PURCHASED AT K-MART, WHEN BOMBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE FOR JUST ABOUT ANYONE TO BUY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS WE'LL BLAME BOMBS.

Actually, yes you can:

http://www.kmart.com/search=pressure%20cooker

http://www.kmart.com/search=kitchen%20timer

http://www.kmart.com/search=batteries

http://www.kmart.com/search=wire

http://www.kmart.com/search=day%20packs

http://www.kmart.com/estes-model-rocket-igniters-6-pkg/p-021V0056138 24 000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

Add in Pyrodex available over the counter at Dick's Sporting Goods and Wal*Mart, and you've got everything you need to replicate the bombs used in Boston.  Some assembly required.


Did you get that list from the Tea Party hand book?
 
2013-04-18 10:36:04 AM
This Creeping Stoopid is the inevitable result of cuts to newsroom budgets everywhere. Fewer staff, less and less institutional knowledge, less and less tendency to apply sound journalistic practices.
More MBA jorno-ism.
It's a clown show put on by clowns for clowns.
 
2013-04-18 10:37:16 AM

theknuckler_33: Search Politico "Boston marathon bomb"

-112 results-

/Amused at Politico reporting on the media meltdown


Politico is the subtler print version of Fox News. A misinformed public makes it easier for their conservative founders and funders to push through their agenda. Bashing and discrediting the media, despite being a part of it, is part of their effort to muddy the waters.
 
2013-04-18 10:37:21 AM

NateGrey: dittybopper: hobbes0022: BOMBS CANNOT BE PURCHASED AT K-MART, WHEN BOMBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE FOR JUST ABOUT ANYONE TO BUY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS WE'LL BLAME BOMBS.

Actually, yes you can:

http://www.kmart.com/search=pressure%20cooker

http://www.kmart.com/search=kitchen%20timer

http://www.kmart.com/search=batteries

http://www.kmart.com/search=wire

http://www.kmart.com/search=day%20packs

http://www.kmart.com/estes-model-rocket-igniters-6-pkg/p-021V0056138 24 000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

Add in Pyrodex available over the counter at Dick's Sporting Goods and Wal*Mart, and you've got everything you need to replicate the bombs used in Boston.  Some assembly required.

Did you get that list from the Tea Party hand book?


Dude, you're getting an interview with the FBI.
Hee-haw.
 
2013-04-18 10:37:32 AM
Am I the only person whose life is completely unaffected by "the state of the media?"  Because it seems the media is equally full of people whining about the media.  Why do people give a turd?  Turn it off and do something productive.  Some people act like they are holed up in a compound in Panama with soldiers blaring CNN over loudspeakers.
 
2013-04-18 10:41:56 AM

gambitsgirl: fireclown: LandOfChocolate: - Events happens
- The media trips over themselves trying to "scoop" one another with new information. Most of this is proven false and then blamed on "fog of war"
- 24-48 hours passes and some influential, but fringe, players in the media begin navel gazing about how the media got it wrong and how they should do better
- They never do

I wonder if there would be a market for a news outlet that didn't report anything on news that was less than two hours old.  This would give them a chance to vett stories better, and they wouldn't get caught by some of the dumb fliers that get shot down immediately.  You would lose some immediacy, but I think that you could improve the quality of your news a lot with just an hour or two of delay.

/0.02

Yep. It was called the nightly news. It died in the WTC on 9/11. It's been replaced with fluff and hung out to dry. There were way less copy cats ass they mulled the decision of what information to release.

The public's need for immediate gratification has been lit and any attempt to go back will be met from all sides as censorship.

Le sigh. The good ole days where we wanted for cartoons and news. Now we have to personally filter through 24 hours of shiat and self-edit the information until we all give up and refuse any more in.


It died much sooner than that.  Three things happened in relatively quick succession that propelled the 24 hour news network into the position it is in now.  First was the Loma Prieta quake in 89.  Then the Persian Gulf War just about finished it off..but the Rodney King riots and OJ chase/trial put the final nails in the coffin.
 
2013-04-18 10:43:51 AM
Is anybody surprised?

At the same time they were broadcasting that junk they were frantically phoning all the beer companies to get a highest bidder on the next commercial break.
 
2013-04-18 10:45:10 AM

gambitsgirl: dittybopper: hobbes0022: BOMBS CANNOT BE PURCHASED AT K-MART, WHEN BOMBS ARE READILY AVAILABLE FOR JUST ABOUT ANYONE TO BUY, YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS WE'LL BLAME BOMBS.

Actually, yes you can:

http://www.kmart.com/search=pressure%20cooker

http://www.kmart.com/search=kitchen%20timer

http://www.kmart.com/search=batteries

http://www.kmart.com/search=wire

http://www.kmart.com/search=day%20packs

http://www.kmart.com/estes-model-rocket-igniters-6-pkg/p-021V0056138 24 000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1

Add in Pyrodex available over the counter at Dick's Sporting Goods and Wal*Mart, and you've got everything you need to replicate the bombs used in Boston.  Some assembly required.

Did you just search in all this now?
Was it already bookmarked?
Who's at your door?


To me this raises an interesting point.  Do events like this make it that much harder for the FBI/DHS to identify potential bombers by screening internet searches/purchases?  I imagine in the 24 hours after the Boston bombing, there was probably a huuuuuge spike in lots of noteworthy keywords related to bomb construction and use.  It seems like it could create a screen for a potential bomber to use to find more equipment.

Of course there probably aren't really lists of questionable internet searches on an FBI database somewhere.  Right?  Guys...right...
 
2013-04-18 10:48:46 AM

LawPD: BalugaJoe: At least they got rid of Solodad Obrien. All she did was play music for 2 hours.

I liked Solodad. Sure the format of her show sucked ass, who the fark cares what some idiot minor celebrity's opinion of the days new is but at least she had the stones to stand up to the people she was interviewing that came on the show to spew bullshiat.


That's precisely why she got the axe.

The management of nearly all media outlets is conservative. Even MSNBC. If their primetime liberal hosts ruffle too many feathers they get sent out to pasture like Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann, Cenk Uygur, and Ed Schultz regardless of their ratings (Donahue and Olbermann drew the most viewers at the network when they got canned).
 
2013-04-18 10:52:00 AM

fireclown: We get what we deserve.  You know why CNN airs celebrity nonsense?  Because when they put up solidly researched segments on economics, nobody watches.  When they put up a piece on whatever the hell Lindsey Lohan is doing these days, people watch.

We have met the enemy, and they are us.


But see, I watched those segments.  I watched them religiously.  I was a hard core news junkie, and CNN was my dealer.  That started to change around the 2000 elections.  And then Sept 11 2001 they completely lost any resemblance to actual journalism.

I'm still a news junkie, it's just now Fark and Twitter are my dealers.
 
2013-04-18 11:00:31 AM
In other news, some people still take American media outlets seriously.
 
2013-04-18 11:02:48 AM

trappedspirit: Am I the only person whose life is completely unaffected by "the state of the media?"  Because it seems the media is equally full of people whining about the media.  Why do people give a turd?  Turn it off and do something productive.  Some people act like they are holed up in a compound in Panama with soldiers blaring CNN over loudspeakers.


Also, it's merely a product of people wanting information in "real time".  The trouble is information in "real time" is often volatile if not outright contradictory.    If you don't like volatility in your information, just  get one nightly summary at the end of the day.
 
2013-04-18 11:03:04 AM
Corporate media.
 
2013-04-18 11:07:09 AM

PanicMan: fireclown: We get what we deserve.  You know why CNN airs celebrity nonsense?  Because when they put up solidly researched segments on economics, nobody watches.  When they put up a piece on whatever the hell Lindsey Lohan is doing these days, people watch.

We have met the enemy, and they are us.

But see, I watched those segments.  I watched them religiously.  I was a hard core news junkie, and CNN was my dealer.  That started to change around the 2000 elections.  And then Sept 11 2001 they completely lost any resemblance to actual journalism.

I'm still a news junkie, it's just now Fark and Twitter are my dealers.


Bolded for emphasis. I've gone in this direction, as well. Follow the right people and you'll get a lot more info, but Twitter can be just as convoluted sometimes.
 
2013-04-18 11:18:54 AM

star_topology: Follow the right people and you'll get a lot more info, but Twitter can be just as convoluted sometimes.


Absolutely, there's a lot of crap.  But even the crap can be useful to know what misinformation is out there.  Surprisingly, Anonymous is one of the most accurate news sources I have found.

At home I have a screen dedicated to a program running all my twitter lists at once.  Fark is on my other screen.  It's like mainlining information and I love it.
 
2013-04-18 11:20:10 AM
And while we're on this, what the hell is LZ Granderson doing on CNN commenting on international news?  He's an effing sportswriter.
 
2013-04-18 11:21:02 AM
gambitsgirl:
Did you just search in all this now?

Yep.  It's in my browser history.

Was it already bookmarked?

No, or it would have taken me less than a minute, instead of the 15 minutes it actually took (was trying to see if Kmart or Wal*Mart sold Pyrodex:  I've seen the pellets for sale there during hunting season, but couldn't find it online).  My searching started at 10:11, ended at 10:26 according to my browser history.

Who's at your door?

No one.  Why?  After all, I didn't tell you specifically how to assemble anything, and I'm sure I've got some detail wrong about the devices used.  For example, you don't have to use model rocket igniters.  You could use an incandescent light bulb, or steel wool, or a glow plug, or spark plug, or car cigarette lighter.

Even if it turns out my speculation is spot-on, that doesn't mean much:  My initial thoughts, once I had a chance to think about it, were that it was in some sort of metal pipe like a traditional pipe bomb, and that they were possibly remotely detonated by either radios or cellphones (cellphones being the stupider of the two solutions).

So I was wrong about the container, and probably wrong about the detonation method.

Given the video, though, I stand by my prediction that the filling was either black powder or a black powder substitute (probably the latter as they are easier to find).
 
2013-04-18 11:23:12 AM

Wendy's Chili: LawPD: BalugaJoe: At least they got rid of Solodad Obrien. All she did was play music for 2 hours.

I liked Solodad. Sure the format of her show sucked ass, who the fark cares what some idiot minor celebrity's opinion of the days new is but at least she had the stones to stand up to the people she was interviewing that came on the show to spew bullshiat.

That's precisely why she got the axe.

The management of nearly all media outlets is conservative. Even MSNBC. If their primetime liberal hosts ruffle too many feathers they get sent out to pasture like Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann, Cenk Uygur, and Ed Schultz regardless of their ratings (Donahue and Olbermann drew the most viewers at the network when they got canned).


I'm gonna have to stop you there for a moment to ask whether Olbermann got canned from Current for his political views - or whether Olbermann actually tends to get canned because he's been an asshole to anyone he's ever worked with.

While you may have a point in the general case, I don't think you're on to much of a certainty with old' Prima Donna Keith.
 
2013-04-18 11:44:31 AM
The Newsroom should start being required viewing at networks.
 
2013-04-18 11:58:25 AM

Mithiwithi: Wendy's Chili: LawPD: BalugaJoe: At least they got rid of Solodad Obrien. All she did was play music for 2 hours.

I liked Solodad. Sure the format of her show sucked ass, who the fark cares what some idiot minor celebrity's opinion of the days new is but at least she had the stones to stand up to the people she was interviewing that came on the show to spew bullshiat.

That's precisely why she got the axe.

The management of nearly all media outlets is conservative. Even MSNBC. If their primetime liberal hosts ruffle too many feathers they get sent out to pasture like Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann, Cenk Uygur, and Ed Schultz regardless of their ratings (Donahue and Olbermann drew the most viewers at the network when they got canned).

I'm gonna have to stop you there for a moment to ask whether Olbermann got canned from Current for his political views - or whether Olbermann actually tends to get canned because he's been an asshole to anyone he's ever worked with.

While you may have a point in the general case, I don't think you're on to much of a certainty with old' Prima Donna Keith.


Yeah, the man is clearly an insufferable douchebag, but there are plenty of those in television, and his departure from MSNBC came immediately after he was disciplined for donating to Democratic congressional candidates.

He got canned from Current for being too vocal about the shiattiness of their operation.
 
2013-04-18 11:58:56 AM
Fark Politico.
 
2013-04-18 11:59:34 AM
the ny post is much much worse, they farking front page posted pictures of innocent kids asking if these were the bombers the fbi was looking for.  it's like 4chan suddenly was running a shiatty newspaper.

somedude210: for those that missed it, here's the full 90 minutes of fail


thanks for posting that.  i wanted to see that.
 
2013-04-18 12:03:59 PM

Cataholic: It died much sooner than that. Three things happened in relatively quick succession that propelled the 24 hour news network into the position it is in now. First was the Loma Prieta quake in 89. Then the Persian Gulf War just about finished it off..but the Rodney King riots and OJ chase/trial put the final nails in the coffin.


I'd throw the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings in there also. I seem to remember this being a non-stop news cycle.
 
2013-04-18 12:17:06 PM

Cataholic: It died much sooner than that.  Three things happened in relatively quick succession that propelled the 24 hour news network into the position it is in now.  First was the Loma Prieta quake in 89.  Then the Persian Gulf War just about finished it off..but the Rodney King riots and OJ chase/trial put the final nails in the coffin.


You forgot the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the collapse of the Soviet Union beginning with the 1991 coup attempt.
 
2013-04-18 12:32:16 PM

funk_soul_bubby: Cataholic: It died much sooner than that. Three things happened in relatively quick succession that propelled the 24 hour news network into the position it is in now. First was the Loma Prieta quake in 89. Then the Persian Gulf War just about finished it off..but the Rodney King riots and OJ chase/trial put the final nails in the coffin.

I'd throw the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings in there also. I seem to remember this being a non-stop news cycle.


yeah, but all of those were different because they still had wait on sources to call, talk, or later send an e-mail.  never mind the difficulties if the story was international.  sure the cameras were rolling, but it wasn't just a stream of nonsense, sometimes it was just silence or letting the images speak for themselves or repeating the same limited reports over and over.  now with twitter, text messaging, and phones that e-mail, there's no pause, so when big events happen in an effort to be first you end up with talking heads reads reading twitter aloud.  that's not how news should work.  that's how high school gossip works.  turns out; mary isn't actually pregnant, katie didn't suck tom's dick, and oh by the way cnn, the schrodinger's suspect has or has not be arrested. it's the speed up that killed them and made them dumb.  to fill 24 hours you can show the same images, say the same shiat (it's might be boring, but it's accurate).  the problem is trying to stay head of the modern mobile internet.
 
Ehh
2013-04-18 01:05:05 PM

Wendy's Chili: LawPD: BalugaJoe: At least they got rid of Solodad Obrien. All she did was play music for 2 hours.

I liked Solodad. Sure the format of her show sucked ass, who the fark cares what some idiot minor celebrity's opinion of the days new is but at least she had the stones to stand up to the people she was interviewing that came on the show to spew bullshiat.

That's precisely why she got the axe.

The management of nearly all media outlets is conservative. Even MSNBC. If their primetime liberal hosts ruffle too many feathers they get sent out to pasture like Phil Donahue, Keith Olbermann, Cenk Uygur, and Ed Schultz regardless of their ratings (Donahue and Olbermann drew the most viewers at the network when they got canned).


This. She got canned for calling a VIP liar a liar. She was the best thing going on at CNN, and they canned her anyway. Mediocrity and dumbness are rewarded; smartness and having some brass gets you fired.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-18 02:08:26 PM

dittybopper: gja: The media, as a whole, are farktwits. Staffed with trogs who otherwise would be asking "want fries with that?" (with deepest apologies to fast-food purveyors)

See, that's what happens when you hire people with journalism degrees and have them write about stuff they have no comprehension on, instead of hiring people who are experienced in those areas and just coaching them on how to write effectively to a mass audience.


It's very sad indeed. Especially for my generation. I grew up with the likes of Cronkite, Brinkley, Brokaw, Breslin, Koppal, Kuralt, Rather et al..
The new lineage are a pale imitation of the former. And poorly wrought at that.
 
2013-04-18 02:09:32 PM

Glancing Blow: I'd even take Larry King as a replacement.


I'd take Walter Cronkite as a replacement.
 
2013-04-18 02:16:46 PM
I noticed MSNBC was not mentioned in the article.

Not surprising that Politico and MSNBC are basically in bed together in a self-congratulatory romp every day.
 
2013-04-18 03:16:26 PM

gja: It's very sad indeed. Especially for my generation. I grew up with the likes of Cronkite, Brinkley, Brokaw, Breslin, Koppal, Kuralt, Rather et al..
The new lineage are a pale imitation of the former. And poorly wrought at that.


You mean "Fake But Accurate" Rather?

Now, some of the others may have had their faults and biases to one degree or another, but Gunga Dan was a real piece of work.

/Journalism died the moment it was born.
 
2013-04-18 03:35:53 PM

netcentric: MSNBC, at this time, seems like a Political Action Comittee rather anything close to News Broadcasting.


Since the Usual Media Suspects simultaneously began to report the same false information, I say you're right. And that it is "sources" inside this Administration who were doling out the 'for your ears only' tidbits to the newsies.

For Administration purposes, none of which pass a smell test
 
2013-04-18 03:51:48 PM
I love how the left is trying the: "but Fox got it wrong too!!!" angle.

Fox reported it BASED ON CNNs report. They made the mistake of believing CNN wasn't blatantly lying.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-18 04:06:08 PM

dittybopper: gja: It's very sad indeed. Especially for my generation. I grew up with the likes of Cronkite, Brinkley, Brokaw, Breslin, Koppal, Kuralt, Rather et al..
The new lineage are a pale imitation of the former. And poorly wrought at that.

You mean "Fake But Accurate" Rather?

Now, some of the others may have had their faults and biases to one degree or another, but Gunga Dan was a real piece of work.

/Journalism died the moment it was born.


Pretty much. Rather was fake-ish, but at least he didn't just pull stuff out of his backside on a slow day to spice things up.
Cronkite, Morrow, Brinkley, Brokaw.....they took their jobs seriously and behaved as such.

The new breed as worthless, like all politicians as well. They only know how to lie.....artfully yes. But liars and disingenuous as they come.
 
2013-04-18 04:25:13 PM

gja: Pretty much. Rather was fake-ish, but at least he didn't just pull stuff out of his backside on a slow day to spice things up.


Rather was actually worse:  He ran with a story he should have known was false, but because of his well known political bias and the opportunity to influence an election, he ran with it, and even when the evidence was overwhelming that it was a false story, he still defended it.

Zero credibility.  None.
 
2013-04-18 05:18:43 PM

Bullseyed: I love how the left is trying the: "but Fox got it wrong too!!!" angle.

Fox reported it BASED ON CNNs report. They made the mistake of believing CNN wasn't blatantly lying.


Not really, CNN sucks. Fox is teh suxors.
 
2013-04-18 07:40:32 PM
What if the bombing was planned by the news companies to increase ad revenue?

The ultimate in reality TV.
 
2013-04-18 09:05:43 PM
This reminds me of the prudes who complain about swearing and cleavage on TV.

Just turn it off you whiners.
 
2013-04-19 08:12:37 AM

brap: karnal: In an interview on MSNBC's 'Morning Joe,' Joe Biden praised and thanked MSNBC for their part in bringing about gun control.

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That is not what he said but I guess paraphrasing and inaccuracies will always have a home on the interwebby and network news.


The Biden's exact quote is:
"Hey Joe, thank you. You have changed the debate in America. The two guys who deserve an award, if anything gets done around here, is you and Michael Bloomberg"
 
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