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(Salon)   It's times like this when we remember Rick Perry's bravery in cutting Texas volunteer firefighters' funding by 75% just over a year ago   (salon.com) divider line 79
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2013-04-18 08:33:49 AM  
Aren't volunteers supposed to work for free anyway?

/ducks
 
2013-04-18 08:34:26 AM  
What a moran.
 
2013-04-18 08:38:54 AM  
Let it burn and force them to take personal responsibility for their idiotic teabagger agenda.
 
2013-04-18 08:53:37 AM  
If you shoot bullets at a fire, each bullet actually causes a mini explosion (you'll see this effect in certain movies when a box of ammunition stored too close to a heat source explodes, forcing the people in the room, often villains, to madly scramble for cover). The common perception is that explosions like this are bad in fires, because, you know, they're explosions. But trained fire professionals will actually tell you that under the right circumstances, explosions are good. See, they cause the fire to use up its fuel more quickly. So if you shoot lots of bullets at a fire, the fire seems like its getting bigger, but what it's really doing is beginning the process of death. Shoot enough bullets at a fire, it runs out of fuel. It runs out of fuel, no more fire. You don't need to fund "volunteer fire fighters" as long as the second amendment prevails, which was why yesterday's victory in the Senate came at exactly the right time for Texas.
 
2013-04-18 08:56:15 AM  
TFA:  Wednesday, Sep 7, 2011


And what does cutting the Forest Service budget have to do with fertilizer plant explosions?
 
2013-04-18 08:59:25 AM  

Gulper Eel: TFA:  Wednesday, Sep 7, 2011


And what does cutting the Forest Service budget have to do with fertilizer plant explosions?


Hey lookie! Our first Perry apologist. Give a round of applause, everybody!
 
2013-04-18 09:02:08 AM  
How's that cunning plan coming along?
 
2013-04-18 09:05:25 AM  
I wondered how long it would take for someone to politicise this event.

Cutting the Fire Service and Volunteer budgets was an assinine thing, but can we at least let the bodies get cold in the ground on something that has nothing to do with terrorism before we start this crap again?
 
2013-04-18 09:10:23 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If you shoot bullets at a fire, each bullet actually causes a mini explosion (you'll see this effect in certain movies when a box of ammunition stored too close to a heat source explodes, forcing the people in the room, often villains, to madly scramble for cover). The common perception is that explosions like this are bad in fires, because, you know, they're explosions. But trained fire professionals will actually tell you that under the right circumstances, explosions are good. See, they cause the fire to use up its fuel more quickly. So if you shoot lots of bullets at a fire, the fire seems like its getting bigger, but what it's really doing is beginning the process of death. Shoot enough bullets at a fire, it runs out of fuel. It runs out of fuel, no more fire. You don't need to fund "volunteer fire fighters" as long as the second amendment prevails, which was why yesterday's victory in the Senate came at exactly the right time for Texas.


Meh, that one's a bit of a stretch.  Your quality's been slipping lately.
 
2013-04-18 09:10:52 AM  
oh yeah it is totally beyond the pale and playing politics to point out that cutting volunteer firefighting budgets might have an effect on fighting A farkING GIANT FIRE
 
2013-04-18 09:12:35 AM  

clancifer: Gulper Eel: TFA:  Wednesday, Sep 7, 2011


And what does cutting the Forest Service budget have to do with fertilizer plant explosions?

Hey lookie! Our first Perry apologist. Give a round of applause, everybody!


Or maybe somebody who would like the question answered instead of the goalposts moved.

This is a nearly two-year-old story with no relevance to the West explosion other than that both stories originate in Texas and involve fire. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, subby is comparing a can of mixed nuts to a mental hospital.
 
2013-04-18 09:15:34 AM  

Jackson Herring: oh yeah it is totally beyond the pale and playing politics to point out that cutting volunteer firefighting budgets might have an effect on fighting A farkING GIANT FIRE


Seeing as fighting a wildfire and dealing with a town-flattening chemical explosion are two entirely different matters, yes it is.

If oversight of fertilizer plants was cut or neglected, THAT would be the story.
 
2013-04-18 09:16:04 AM  

Jackson Herring: oh yeah it is totally beyond the pale and playing politics to point out that cutting volunteer firefighting budgets might have an effect on fighting A farkING GIANT FIRE


I haven't been following details on this one.  Has anyone credible actually criticized the fire department's handling of this?  Or are we still in "shiat happens" territory?
 
2013-04-18 09:18:57 AM  

Jackson Herring: oh yeah it is totally beyond the pale and playing politics to point out that cutting volunteer firefighting budgets might have an effect on fighting A farkING GIANT FIRE


So, other than you - random FARK poster - who has criticised the response of the West Fire Department to a chemical plant fire, or blamed the explosion on budget cuts?
 
2013-04-18 09:20:57 AM  

hardinparamedic: I wondered how long it would take for someone to politicise this event.

Cutting the Fire Service and Volunteer budgets was an assinine thing, but can we at least let the bodies get cold in the ground on something that has nothing to do with terrorism before we start this crap again?


I wasn't aware that wildfires that occur EVERY YEAR were terrorist related, and industrial accidents are always terror related. Who knew?

Guess you do learn something new every day...
 
2013-04-18 09:23:10 AM  
The story wharrmitter needed:

The fertilizer plant that exploded Wednesday night in West, Texas, reported to the Environmental Protection Agency and local public safety officials that it presented no risk of fire or explosion, documents show.

West Fertilizer Co. reported having as much as 54,000 pounds of anhydrous ammonia on hand in an emergency planning report required of facilities that use toxic or hazardous chemicals.

But the report, reviewed Wednesday night by The Dallas Morning News, stated "no" under fire or explosive risks. The worst possible scenario, the report said, would be a 10-minute release of ammonia gas that would kill or injure no one.
 
2013-04-18 09:23:36 AM  

Gulper Eel: If oversight of fertilizer plants was cut or neglected, THAT would be the story.


Perhaps. No inspections in the last five years.

We do know that it was cited for failing to obtain or qualify for a permit in 2006 after a complaint of a strong ammonia smell, a smell that was reported to be "very bad last night." The plant hasn't been inspected in the past five years, and in fact only six Texas fertilizer plants were inspected in that time. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is chronically understaffed, which means that a given plant like West Fertilizer can only expect to get a state inspection once every 67 years on average. Link
 
2013-04-18 09:25:40 AM  

hubiestubert: I wasn't aware that wildfires that occur EVERY YEAR were terrorist related, and industrial accidents are always terror related. Who knew?

Guess you do learn something new every day...


Translation: Hurr Derp?

In case you're actually serious, I never said they were. I said there are real and serious discussions to be had at the moment on domestic terror issues in the wake of the Boston Bombing, as well as the fact that there is going to be an inferred attempt to strip more rights away from Americans in the wake of that.

I also pointed out that this has shiat-all to do with the budget cuts, and it's tacking on a political issue to an incident that more than likely was not influenced in the least by them. There has been no talk of an inability to respond to the fire that resulted in the explosion due to Perry's idiocy. There has been no shortage of emergency responders to the scene. Budget cuts didn't cause a BLEVE on the scene. Budget cuts haven't kept neighboring volunteer departments from sending HAZMAT teams.

You want to talk about Wildfire Budget Cuts? Talk about them in wildfires. You want to talk about the fact that it's shiatty that departments can't upgrade their equipment, pay to send their people to Firefighter I and EMT-Basic, talk about that. Don't politicise the dead from an industrial accident because you want to crucify someone who deserves it. Crucify them on matters that actually are relevant to that issue.
 
2013-04-18 09:29:47 AM  

hardinparamedic: hubiestubert: I wasn't aware that wildfires that occur EVERY YEAR were terrorist related, and industrial accidents are always terror related. Who knew?

Guess you do learn something new every day...

Translation: Hurr Derp?

In case you're actually serious, I never said they were. I said there are real and serious discussions to be had at the moment on domestic terror issues in the wake of the Boston Bombing, as well as the fact that there is going to be an inferred attempt to strip more rights away from Americans in the wake of that.

I also pointed out that this has shiat-all to do with the budget cuts, and it's tacking on a political issue to an incident that more than likely was not influenced in the least by them. There has been no talk of an inability to respond to the fire that resulted in the explosion due to Perry's idiocy. There has been no shortage of emergency responders to the scene. Budget cuts didn't cause a BLEVE on the scene. Budget cuts haven't kept neighboring volunteer departments from sending HAZMAT teams.

You want to talk about Wildfire Budget Cuts? Talk about them in wildfires. You want to talk about the fact that it's shiatty that departments can't upgrade their equipment, pay to send their people to Firefighter I and EMT-Basic, talk about that. Don't politicise the dead from an industrial accident because you want to crucify someone who deserves it. Crucify them on matters that actually are relevant to that issue.


Actually, that is kind of what the article is doing. Discussing the wildfires, and addressing exactly that, and likewise is looking at safety inspections in the wake of this catastrophic failure at the plant. Or did you not actually RTFA?
 
2013-04-18 09:30:00 AM  
If Gov. Perry had kept the firefighting funding level up, it would've meant  more firefighters on the payroll, and more firefighters at the West, TX explosion that would've gotten killed.

Gov. Perry is just looking out for the lives of the firefighters, doncha know?
 
2013-04-18 09:30:46 AM  

hardinparamedic: So, other than you - random FARK poster - who has criticised the response of the West Fire Department to a chemical plant fire, or blamed the explosion on budget cuts?


actually I did non of those things, hth
 
2013-04-18 09:30:59 AM  

hubiestubert: Or did you not actually RTFA?


People actually RTFA on Fark.com???

/it's not literacy, it's FARK.com!
 
2013-04-18 09:31:43 AM  

hubiestubert: Or did you not actually RTFA?


Guilty.
 
2013-04-18 09:37:52 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Perhaps. No inspections in the last five years.


Surprise, surprise.

Oversight is never politically sexy, and it's one of the first items to get shiatcanned in any state budget. Any time you hear a politician talk about "streamlining" a government policy or progam, usually business regulations or applications for state benefits, it means "looking the other way" while something fishy happens.
 
2013-04-18 09:40:42 AM  

hardinparamedic: hubiestubert: Or did you not actually RTFA?

Guilty.


S'cool.

Texas has issues, and they are issues that reach across the South West. From Texas to Arizona, and sweeping up into Colorado, and a LOT of land in the desert region. There are pockets of population out in the boonies, and there are urban centers that have a crap ton of development. Arizona, where I spent a few years, has some serious issues with the populated centers, with heavy industry, sucking the life from the outlying counties, and then complaining bitterly when those sparsely populated areas demand services. They likewise complain bitterly about the cost of maintaining infrastructure, and then point to the immigrants that they brought in to build housing developments and industrial facilities, and then get antsy about said immigrants actually wanting to stay.

There IS a systemic sickness, from Texas all the way to Nevada, with these urban centers hogging resources, from water to manpower, and folks who simply don't even poke their noses outside their urban areas, or vacation homes, and DEMAND their money be spent only within sight. And it comes at a price. When you cut services, this is sort of the result. Cutting inspections, cutting emergency services, cutting manpower, cutting even basics to service these urban centers, it has consequences. And folks have been pointing out, for years, that these things are going to be an issue. In Arizona, wildfires have been an issue, and only when they consume those precious housing developments and PRIME real estate, do folks seem to get an inkling of this, and THEN they want to point fingers. Generally at anyone but they own damn selves, for DEMANDING someone take responsibility. And, yeah, it's pretty f*cking disgusting.
 
2013-04-18 09:48:56 AM  

RexTalionis: I'm wondering how long it'll be before D_I_A comes in and says "But we've gotten new equipment in the last year, that proves that there's no problem with cutting the budget."


/shoots feral pig
 
2013-04-18 09:49:38 AM  

Gulper Eel: Dusk-You-n-Me: Perhaps. No inspections in the last five years.

Surprise, surprise.

Oversight is never politically sexy, and it's one of the first items to get shiatcanned in any state budget. Any time you hear a politician talk about "streamlining" a government policy or progam, usually business regulations or applications for state benefits, it means "looking the other way" while something fishy happens.


Everyone likes to talk about responsibility, while at the same time, trying to cut regulation that would hold folks accountable. Regulation happens because folks aren't doing the necessary work. Did a turn as OSHA standards rep in a few kitchens, and no one likes to hear that they have issues that NEED to be addressed. They are costs added on to every quarter, but they need to be addressed NOW so that they don't wind up hurting folks later. No one likes to think that far ahead, because all they see are cash going out the door, when NO ONE GOT HURT now. And often they like to pretend that accidents won't happen. That people won't be stupid one day.

Worse, you have folks like Perry who consistently cut off their own noses to spite their face. He IS in the government, and he has a responsibility, yes, to spend wisely. Investment in safety standards and emergency services is part of that. They aren't something that you can just throw away because they cost a bit, especially in remote areas, or areas that are out of the way of your best donors.

After my stint doing in-house OSHA compliance standards, Star Wars became a whole different set of movies. Seriously. Rails. Just a few. Yawning chasms over endless pits, and not a single railing? I guess the Empire has really got to be all encompassing, because obviously they aren't worried about civil lawsuits over worker safety...
 
2013-04-18 10:04:27 AM  
JOB-KILLING FERTILIZER REGULATIONS
 
2013-04-18 10:19:44 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If you shoot bullets at a fire, each bullet actually causes a mini explosion (you'll see this effect in certain movies when a box of ammunition stored too close to a heat source explodes, forcing the people in the room, often villains, to madly scramble for cover). The common perception is that explosions like this are bad in fires, because, you know, they're explosions. But trained fire professionals will actually tell you that under the right circumstances, explosions are good. See, they cause the fire to use up its fuel more quickly. So if you shoot lots of bullets at a fire, the fire seems like its getting bigger, but what it's really doing is beginning the process of death. Shoot enough bullets at a fire, it runs out of fuel. It runs out of fuel, no more fire. You don't need to fund "volunteer fire fighters" as long as the second amendment prevails, which was why yesterday's victory in the Senate came at exactly the right time for Texas.


you are amazing.
 
2013-04-18 10:21:30 AM  

serial_crusher: Jackson Herring: oh yeah it is totally beyond the pale and playing politics to point out that cutting volunteer firefighting budgets might have an effect on fighting A farkING GIANT FIRE

I haven't been following details on this one.  Has anyone credible actually criticized the fire department's handling of this?  Or are we still in "shiat happens" territory?


Even the conspiracy theorists have yet to synchronize their narrative, which is a strong indicator of just how recent the disaster is.
 
2013-04-18 10:22:45 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If you shoot bullets at a fire, each bullet actually causes a mini explosion (you'll see this effect in certain movies when a box of ammunition stored too close to a heat source explodes, forcing the people in the room, often villains, to madly scramble for cover). The common perception is that explosions like this are bad in fires, because, you know, they're explosions. But trained fire professionals will actually tell you that under the right circumstances, explosions are good. See, they cause the fire to use up its fuel more quickly. So if you shoot lots of bullets at a fire, the fire seems like its getting bigger, but what it's really doing is beginning the process of death. Shoot enough bullets at a fire, it runs out of fuel. It runs out of fuel, no more fire. You don't need to fund "volunteer fire fighters" as long as the second amendment prevails, which was why yesterday's victory in the Senate came at exactly the right time for Texas.


Almost correct, except that only works for unused ammunition.  However, if they were to throw the bullets at the fire then your scenario is foolproof.
 
2013-04-18 10:22:49 AM  
One thing's for sure, those brave secessionists won't be begging for any federal assistance.
 
2013-04-18 10:23:47 AM  
He should have considered the consequences before he cut funding for firefighters. Now he has blood on his hands. The blood of regular innocent people who were only doing their civic duty of concerned citizens who just wanted to help.

God is punishing Rick Perry for his restrictive right wing policies.
 
2013-04-18 10:24:36 AM  

Jackson Herring: JOB-KILLING FERTILIZER REGULATIONS


What do you mean I can't put explosive materials on the same block as a retirement home and a middle school? This is socialism! FACISM!!

*BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!*

OMG!!! Where are the feds!
 
2013-04-18 10:25:03 AM  

Pocket Ninja: If you shoot bullets at a fire, each bullet actually causes a mini explosion (you'll see this effect in certain movies when a box of ammunition stored too close to a heat source explodes, forcing the people in the room, often villains, to madly scramble for cover). The common perception is that explosions like this are bad in fires, because, you know, they're explosions. But trained fire professionals will actually tell you that under the right circumstances, explosions are good. See, they cause the fire to use up its fuel more quickly. So if you shoot lots of bullets at a fire, the fire seems like its getting bigger, but what it's really doing is beginning the process of death. Shoot enough bullets at a fire, it runs out of fuel. It runs out of fuel, no more fire. You don't need to fund "volunteer fire fighters" as long as the second amendment prevails, which was why yesterday's victory in the Senate came at exactly the right time for Texas.


That....That...was just....awesome!
 
2013-04-18 10:26:26 AM  

hubiestubert: After my stint doing in-house OSHA compliance standards, Star Wars became a whole different set of movies. Seriously. Rails. Just a few. Yawning chasms over endless pits, and not a single railing? I guess the Empire has really got to be all encompassing, because obviously they aren't worried about civil lawsuits over worker safety...


You can't just put railings up randomly.
 
2013-04-18 10:26:59 AM  

xanadian: hubiestubert: Or did you not actually RTFA?

People actually RTFA on Fark.com???

/it's not literacy, it's FARK.com!


Uh what? Personally, I just base my comments on the other comments.
 
2013-04-18 10:29:21 AM  

Dimensio: hubiestubert: After my stint doing in-house OSHA compliance standards, Star Wars became a whole different set of movies. Seriously. Rails. Just a few. Yawning chasms over endless pits, and not a single railing? I guess the Empire has really got to be all encompassing, because obviously they aren't worried about civil lawsuits over worker safety...

You can't just put railings up randomly.


I don't even need to click. I know what you posted and it is awesome.

/Slam Buttsteak
 
2013-04-18 10:31:53 AM  
How can you build a huge fertilizer plant in a place where they have only a small volunteer fire department?  How does that get approved?

"Freedum" is the answer, I guess.  Or "right to work."  Or something.
 
2013-04-18 10:35:20 AM  
I'm sure we'll all get to redistribute our wealth to Texas to help them out. Again.
 
2013-04-18 10:36:01 AM  
why can't they have a water tower at every corner of the facility.  big fire?  just open those suckers up.
 
2013-04-18 10:36:32 AM  
But the budget is "balanced." That's what's important to conservatives.
 
2013-04-18 10:38:19 AM  
How long did the fire burn before the explosion and why didnt they evacuate?
 
2013-04-18 10:40:11 AM  
Rick Parry, the perfect example of being a Republican.
 
2013-04-18 10:41:17 AM  
Rick Perish.
 
2013-04-18 10:42:09 AM  

Godscrack: He should have considered the consequences before he cut funding for firefighters. Now he has blood on his hands. The blood of regular innocent people who were only doing their civic duty of concerned citizens who just wanted to help.

God is punishing Rick Perry for his restrictive right wing policies.


No. God is punishing the people of Texas for Rick Perry's restrictive right wing policies. Rick Perry himself gets off scot-free.
 
2013-04-18 10:42:53 AM  

MFAWG: How long did the fire burn before the explosion and why didnt they evacuate?


My guess would be a volunteer fire department that never received any training on procedures for combating chemical plant fires. If only there was a state agency that could use tax payer money to train volunteer fire departments. If only...
 
2013-04-18 10:42:56 AM  

Kibbler: How does that get approved?


www.sxc.hu
 
2013-04-18 10:43:45 AM  

You Are All Sheep: why can't they have a water tower at every corner of the facility. big fire? just open those suckers up.


You don't want to do that, maybe.

The weird thing about anhydrous ammonia is...paraphrasing Michio Kaku on the TV this morning...under the right conditions, shooting water at it can actually cause the explosion.
 
2013-04-18 10:45:27 AM  
I'm no big city PR guy, but making every tragedy a political attack just makes the attacker look like an asshole, and no one likes an asshole.
 
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