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2013-04-18 10:05:34 AM
LinkedIn: The place for all the people from your high school you never wanted to see again.
 
2013-04-18 10:09:19 AM
LinkedIn, the way Insurance salesmen and Uni of Phoenix grads get to meet more insurance salesman and Uni of Phoenix grads. It's Jdate for business cards.
 
2013-04-18 10:11:23 AM
I've gotten recruited twice for better jobs through linked in. You guys sound lazy/stupid. Or your picture sucks.
 
2013-04-18 10:17:31 AM

KerwoodDerby: LinkedIn: The place for all the people from your high school you never wanted to see again.


I thought that was Facebook?
 
2013-04-18 10:20:41 AM

thecpt: I've gotten recruited twice for better jobs through linked in. You guys sound lazy/stupid. Or your picture sucks.


I think I picked up one or two through the site, but regardless of my interest/contact settings it seemed I was being pelted by recruiters on a near-daily basis.  I wasn't interested changing jobs like I change my underwear (once a month), so I fell back to aggregator sites like indeed with the same results and the ability to hide when I don't want to be bothered.
 
2013-04-18 10:23:11 AM

ChrisDe: KerwoodDerby: LinkedIn: The place for all the people from your high school you never wanted to see again.

I thought that was Facebook?


This is why I no longer have a facebook account. All these morons I hadn't seen for fifteen years were acting like we were best buddies. Freaks.
 
2013-04-18 10:25:25 AM

thecpt: I've gotten recruited twice for better jobs through linked in. You guys sound lazy/stupid. Or your picture sucks.


This. I've turned LinkedIn recruiting into big raises through competitive offers w/out even leaving my job. LinkedIn is quite valuable. I'm probably making an extra $30K/year because of it.
 
2013-04-18 10:26:05 AM

KerwoodDerby: LinkedIn: The place for all the people from your high school you never wanted to see again.


So, the ones who have careers?
 
2013-04-18 10:34:59 AM

waterrockets: thecpt: I've gotten recruited twice for better jobs through linked in. You guys sound lazy/stupid. Or your picture sucks.

This. I've turned LinkedIn recruiting into big raises through competitive offers w/out even leaving my job. LinkedIn is quite valuable. I'm probably making an extra $30K/year because of it.


I just got a $10k payrise due to that. Therefore I am happy.
 
2013-04-18 10:37:37 AM
Yay, a linkedin thread just when I needed one. Carry on people!
 
2013-04-18 10:46:54 AM

waterrockets: I've turned LinkedIn recruiting into big raises through competitive offers w/out even leaving my job. LinkedIn is quite valuable. I'm probably making an extra $30K/year because of it.


limeyfellow: I just got a $10k payrise due to that. Therefore I am happy.



How does that work, exactly? Do you show your boss the offer and they just give you a raise so they don't lose you? Honest question. I'm in academia, so I have no idea what the "real world" is like.
 
2013-04-18 10:49:50 AM
"How does that work, exactly? Do you show your boss the offer and they just give you a raise so they don't lose you? Honest question. I'm in academia, so I have no idea what the "real world" is like."

Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.
 
2013-04-18 10:51:08 AM
Yeah, a $10 billion company has absolutely no usefulness or value.
 
2013-04-18 10:51:36 AM

randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.


And that doesn't create any animosity or an uncomfortable working environment?
 
2013-04-18 10:52:00 AM

thecpt: I've gotten recruited twice for better jobs through linked in. You guys sound lazy/stupid. Or your picture sucks.


Strong this.  My husband and I both got our current, great jobs through LinkedIn.
 
2013-04-18 10:54:13 AM

because I care: randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.

And that doesn't create any animosity or an uncomfortable working environment?


Who cares? It gives you a much higher bank account balance.
 
2013-04-18 10:54:59 AM
"And that doesn't create any animosity or an uncomfortable working environment?"

They understand. Or, maybe they don't, but clearly you're wanted elsewhere so who cares?
 
2013-04-18 11:03:47 AM
Huh. Guess I should go update my LinkedIn profile.
 
2013-04-18 11:05:10 AM

randroid: "And that doesn't create any animosity or an uncomfortable working environment?"

They understand. Or, maybe they don't, but clearly you're wanted elsewhere so who cares?


I'm so glad I don't need to threaten to walk in order to get a raise.
 
2013-04-18 11:08:16 AM
"I'm so glad I don't need to threaten to walk in order to get a raise."

Must be nice. I don't even get my 2% annual thrown bone any more.
 
2013-04-18 11:09:00 AM

Russ1642: because I care: randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.

And that doesn't create any animosity or an uncomfortable working environment?

Who cares? It gives you a much higher bank account balance.


I didn't even attempt to stay at my old job because this one was a heavy 25% raise for a better company and they gave me underlings. If they could of made me stay I'd have the attitude of "they need me but I don't need them." Thank you linked in
 
2013-04-18 11:15:51 AM

thecpt: Russ1642: because I care: randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.

And that doesn't create any animosity or an uncomfortable working environment?

Who cares? It gives you a much higher bank account balance.

I didn't even attempt to stay at my old job because this one was a heavy 25% raise for a better company and they gave me underlings. If they could of made me stay I'd have the attitude of "they need me but I don't need them." Thank you linked in


Never misunderestimate the value of having a few minions.
 
2013-04-18 11:17:37 AM

because I care: waterrockets: I've turned LinkedIn recruiting into big raises through competitive offers w/out even leaving my job. LinkedIn is quite valuable. I'm probably making an extra $30K/year because of it.

limeyfellow: I just got a $10k payrise due to that. Therefore I am happy.


How does that work, exactly? Do you show your boss the offer and they just give you a raise so they don't lose you? Honest question. I'm in academia, so I have no idea what the "real world" is like.


I wish academia was that competitive in terms of trying to hire good people. Unfortunately there is an overabundance of talent and not enough position. At least in the sciences there really needs to be something more permanent (and better paying) than post-doctoral fellows but not necessarily tenure track faculty positions.

Academia: The only industry where universities heave off talent they've invested in and trained with great abandon.

because I care: randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.

And that doesn't create any animosity or an uncomfortable working environment?


My brother is an engineer and a few companies have tried to poach him in the past. It shows loyalty if you go to your current employer and say you have other companies giving you offers for more money but you would like to stay at your current company if they can match or come close to matching the offer.
 
2013-04-18 11:17:41 AM
LinkedIn: The site where people who aren't good at anything useful except talking to other people who aren't good at anything useful get "good" jobs.
 
2013-04-18 11:29:11 AM

randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.


Or the new offer falls through, and your current employer decides you're not dedicated enough to them and begins the process to dismiss you.
 
2013-04-18 11:29:59 AM
LNKD stock has been up pretty high lately.  I am not sure thats justified with the earnings.
 
2013-04-18 11:31:36 AM

poot_rootbeer: randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.

Or the new offer falls through, and your current employer decides you're not dedicated enough to them and begins the process to dismiss you.


Some people are willing to take risks like that for more money. Others are not.
 
2013-04-18 11:32:14 AM

entropic_existence: It shows loyalty if you go to your current employer and say you have other companies giving you offers for more money but you would like to stay at your current company if they can match or come close to matching the offer.


And if they agree to match, it means they knew they were undercompensating you before and hoping you wouldn't catch on.  Do you really want to stay in a place that was willing to take advantage of you like that?

Loyalty is a two-way street.
 
2013-04-18 11:33:18 AM
LinkedIn: Facebook for the unemployed
 
2013-04-18 11:38:03 AM
"Or the new offer falls through, and your current employer decides you're not dedicated enough to them and begins the process to dismiss you."

Or they give you the raise and then you get hit by a meteor from Klandathdu. shiat happens.
 
2013-04-18 11:43:35 AM
I applied for a few jobs through LinkedIn. The "insurance salesman, Uni Phoenix" stuff is more from Monster, I've noticed.
 
2013-04-18 12:00:05 PM

randroid: "Or the new offer falls through, and your current employer decides you're not dedicated enough to them and begins the process to dismiss you."

Or they give you the raise and then you get hit by a meteor from Klandathdu. shiat happens.


Well guess what I'd be looking to do if one of my employees kept pulling into my office demanding more money or they're going to skip out to some other company that they claim offered them more.  Loyalty is indeed, two ways.
 
2013-04-18 12:02:07 PM
"Well guess what I'd be looking to do if one of my employees kept pulling into my office demanding more money or they're going to skip out to some other company that they claim offered them more. Loyalty is indeed, two ways."

Common sense applies, obviously. Don't do it every other day, and be prepared to walk.
 
2013-04-18 12:10:45 PM

poot_rootbeer: randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.

Or the new offer falls through, and your current employer decides you're not dedicated enough to them and begins the process to dismiss you.


Yes.
Typically, they begin to apply a zero-defect standard of conduct to you and everything you do.
It's fun.

/That happened to me when my bossy who wanted to date me found out I was dating a much younger woman from across the hall.
//Whoopsie!
///Bossy has since been "laid off" and moved back across the Ohio River to Dayton or some such backwash place.
////Sun Tzu is always right: Wait long enough beside the river and the body of your adversary will float past.
 
2013-04-18 12:12:32 PM

poot_rootbeer: randroid: Basically. either they give you a raise, or you take the new job and get a raise.

Or the new offer falls through, and your current employer decides you're not dedicated enough to them and begins the process to dismiss you.


Unfortunately you are deluded if you (the figurative you, not you the poster/rootbeer) think they havent already started that process anyway; no matter what your skills or performance are there is always someone willing to give them 60pct of your output at 10pct of your price globally.  A member of "them" is always circulating a powerpoint on a shared service/captive site/right shore in which you are a Zorglike little bitty piece of flotsam.

Linkedin is pretty much defacto in my industry, its very useful for seeing where people are in the event they have a need for what I am doing.  Especially given the circumstances of paragraph 1.
 
2013-04-18 12:21:18 PM
My dad recently hired someone after viewing their LinkedIn profile; months before he passed over the same person's resume. There's at least some value to it.
 
2013-04-18 12:47:32 PM

poot_rootbeer: entropic_existence: It shows loyalty if you go to your current employer and say you have other companies giving you offers for more money but you would like to stay at your current company if they can match or come close to matching the offer.

And if they agree to match, it means they knew they were undercompensating you before and hoping you wouldn't catch on.  Do you really want to stay in a place that was willing to take advantage of you like that?

Loyalty is a two-way street.


That. Last place I was, the boss took my replacement out to lunch and was joking about how cheap I'd been working for the last 13 years. Two weeks later, my replacement called asking work questions. He hasn't called back since I told him what my consulting fee is.
 
2013-04-18 01:11:56 PM
A lot of my clients have LinkedIn accounts, as well as my coworkers and I. Note that I said "have" and not "use". In some circles, it's just like a digital version of collecting baseball cards of people you work with. Also, posting in any of their forums about something can be risky business, if you're in a field where providing expert testimony is part of the job.
 
2013-04-18 01:27:54 PM
You go to mgmt 1) not asking for a raise, but for 'more competitive compensation', and 2) you have interviewed with the other company and have advanced things to having a signed offer letter in hand. 3) you are fully prepared to leave if current employer does not bite.

Having said that, changing gigs has been the fastest way to increase income for me.
/never, ever tell anyone what you earn
//never ever admit you have no other prospects. Do hint that there are other prospects.  give no details about the other prospects.
///RELEASE THE SLASHIES!!1!
 
2013-04-18 01:37:02 PM

waterrockets: This. I've turned LinkedIn recruiting into big raises through competitive offers w/out even leaving my job. LinkedIn is quite valuable. I'm probably making an extra $30K/year because of it.


This.  Seems like the people biatching about LinkedIn either have crappy resumes or they don't know how to use it properly.  They're the tool cool crowd...whatever.

LinkedIn is not something I use daily.  But I do keep my resume updated on linkedin and I maintain contact with recruiters and former co-workers.  The key is that you don't stop looking for work because you have a job.  You keep contact with people because when you NEED to find a new job, they remember you.

I never turn down a call from a recruiter...and if I'm not a fit, I'll forward them a lead that is.  It's a big game...and you have to make it work for you.  Because I'm high-paid contractor guy, I tend to be one of the first people cut when layoffs happen (4 times since 2000).  Despite that, I've never been out of work for more than a month.  I average at least one call a week from recruiters.  Some I know, others are first contacts.  My general rule is that I'll accept a phone call and have a conversation, but ignore e-mails (or companies that only do a keyword search without actually reading my resume).

Face it kids, people aren't posting their resumes on Monster or Dice anymore, they keep it updated on LinkedIn.
 
2013-04-18 01:44:00 PM

OrbitalFerret: You go to mgmt 1) not asking for a raise, but for 'more competitive compensation', and 2) you have interviewed with the other company and have advanced things to having a signed offer letter in hand. 3) you are fully prepared to leave if current employer does not bite.

Having said that, changing gigs has been the fastest way to increase income for me.
/never, ever tell anyone what you earn
//never ever admit you have no other prospects. Do hint that there are other prospects.  give no details about the other prospects.
///RELEASE THE SLASHIES!!1!


I have to respectfully disagree.  Unless you're grossly underpaid, playing that game is very dangerous.  I've never seen it work out well for people that stay.  The company is usually bitter over having to give a big pay raise and they usually make arrangements to replace the individual that held a gun to their head over pay.

I've never left a job over money.  The reasons I normally leave a job are boredom.  Money and pay increases usually follow whatever new skills I've acquired.

Hell, I took a pay cut to take my current job because I had finished all the work at my last gig (they had handed off all of my implementations to outsourced IT)...and I didn't have any new projects.  I could have milked it another year, but I took my present job because it gave me the opportunity to learn/do some very cool new things and add to my resume fodder.
 
2013-04-18 02:02:33 PM

Chevello: That. Last place I was, the boss took my replacement out to lunch and was joking about how cheap I'd been working for the last 13 years. Two weeks later, my replacement called asking work questions. He hasn't called back since I told him what my consulting fee is.


LMAO.

Sounds familiar.

A few years back, I worked for an IT Services provider.  I was told on Tuesday by my boss that there would be layoffs (I immediately got on the phone that night and made the decision to GTFO whether I was the victim or not).  Thursday, I was laid off.  I started my new gig less than a month later.  Anyway, about a week after they laid me off, a former co-worker called me and asked me questions.  My response to him was this:

If xyz corp really cared about an orderly transition, they should have given me an end date and I would have happily provided all the documentation that you may have needed to complete my projects.  As they didn't, I won't give you any information unless you pay to bring me back for a couple weeks as a consultant at $xx/hr.  I never heard from him again.

About 6 months later when my old boss called (it wasn't his call to let me go...the decision was above him and strictly because I made more than the other 2 guys) and invited me to lunch.  He tried to get me to come back.  I threw out a ridiculous number per hour (which was $70k more than what I was making when they laid me off) and they shockingly came back at $50k more annually.  I had to turn them down because I actually received a better offer (global implementation for a large corporation lasting minimum of a year plus more money than the old job offered.  Though really, the decision came down to doing more of the same or taking on the responsibility of doing a global implementation for a large company...I chose option B.
 
2013-04-18 02:03:41 PM

slayer199: waterrockets: This. I've turned LinkedIn recruiting into big raises through competitive offers w/out even leaving my job. LinkedIn is quite valuable. I'm probably making an extra $30K/year because of it.

This.  Seems like the people biatching about LinkedIn either have crappy resumes or they don't know how to use it properly.  They're the tool cool crowd...whatever.

LinkedIn is not something I use daily.  But I do keep my resume updated on linkedin and I maintain contact with recruiters and former co-workers.  The key is that you don't stop looking for work because you have a job.  You keep contact with people because when you NEED to find a new job, they remember you.

I never turn down a call from a recruiter...and if I'm not a fit, I'll forward them a lead that is.  It's a big game...and you have to make it work for you.  Because I'm high-paid contractor guy, I tend to be one of the first people cut when layoffs happen (4 times since 2000).  Despite that, I've never been out of work for more than a month.  I average at least one call a week from recruiters.  Some I know, others are first contacts.  My general rule is that I'll accept a phone call and have a conversation, but ignore e-mails (or companies that only do a keyword search without actually reading my resume).

Face it kids, people aren't posting their resumes on Monster or Dice anymore, they keep it updated on LinkedIn.



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2013-04-18 03:17:25 PM
I use Linkedin daily. It's my primary means of business development and an important source of information for my business.  If I organize an event or seminar, 50% of the visitors got the info from linkedin. It's a great way to maintain contacts; I hardly update my own contact manager anymore becaue the majority have their most up-to-date contact details posted on Linkedin. If I have a job, I recruit through linkedin as well.

It'll probably depend a lot on what kind of job you do; if you have a job where you don't interact with people it's probably not really necessary. But if part of job is sales, marketing, pr, recruiting or general management, you really can't do it anymore without being active on Linkedin. And next time you do an interview, people will look at your linkedin presence.
 
2013-04-18 04:12:51 PM
If you think LinkedIn has no value for your career, you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-04-18 05:28:31 PM

thecpt: I've gotten recruited twice for better jobs through linked in. You guys sound lazy/stupid. Or your picture sucks.


I thought Linked-In was an email inbox flooding service whose sole purpose in life was to remind me that a guy I went to high school with would like me to join LinkedIn so I can spam everyone I ever met.

 
2013-04-18 05:32:06 PM

waterrockets: thecpt: I've gotten recruited twice for better jobs through linked in. You guys sound lazy/stupid. Or your picture sucks.

This. I've turned LinkedIn recruiting into big raises through competitive offers w/out even leaving my job. LinkedIn is quite valuable. I'm probably making an extra $30K/year because of it.


That sounds awesome, dude. I guess I've been spending too much of my time on Craigslist, where all I have gotten
is a handjob and a gently used futon.
 
2013-04-18 07:35:46 PM
Subby sounds unemployable.

Love me some LinkedIn.  Have my current job, and get my leads from LinkedIn.
 
2013-04-19 02:44:24 AM

BumpInTheNight: randroid: "Or the new offer falls through, and your current employer decides you're not dedicated enough to them and begins the process to dismiss you."

Or they give you the raise and then you get hit by a meteor from Klandathdu. shiat happens.

Well guess what I'd be looking to do if one of my employees kept pulling into my office demanding more money or they're going to skip out to some other company that they claim offered them more.  Loyalty is indeed, two ways.


A responsible manager knows the market value of their employees (hint: it's not "whatever I say they're worth"), and ought to be ready to respond to such demands with more than platitudes about loyalty.

Anyway, I'm also starting a job next month that I was recruited for via LinkedIn. The current job is a good place with good people, but its niche is shrinking and the future looks limited. The new place is in a stronger position, I'd be doing work that's in much more lucrative demand, and with a better salary.
 
2013-04-19 07:47:18 AM
Linked in is what you make of it. In my previous job I've recruited people to my team through linked in. I keep my profile up to date and started a new job last November (not through linked in) I noticed several people at my new company had checked my profile before I was made the offer. I don't know if it helped, but it clearly didn't have a negative effect.

/never had a £30k raise though. Please explain how that works!
 
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