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(Fark)   Texas Department of Public Safety and Texas Rangers are asking anyone who is self-dispatching to help at the West, TX explosion DO NOT DO SO. They have too many responders without any chain of control at this time   (fark.com) divider line 194
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2013-04-18 01:16:21 AM
If you could please post this as a PSA for anyone, not just Firefighters, Law Enforcement, or EMS.

If you are in the area, do NOT go yourself to help unless you are part of a response agency or called to do so.
 
2013-04-18 01:18:22 AM
But what if I'm part of an emergency looting crew?
 
2013-04-18 01:20:18 AM
Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?
 
2013-04-18 01:21:50 AM

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?


Without an organizational structure, yes.  And it's middle of the night now obviously.  You'd just be in the way.
 
2013-04-18 01:22:10 AM
Now I know why the Rangers are two games back. No initiative.
 
2013-04-18 01:22:17 AM

2xhelix: But what if I'm part of an emergency looting crew?


In all seriousness, this is apparantly becoming a huge problem on the scene right now. They have too many random people, Emergency Responders from other districts who were not dispatched to the scene, and too many "volunteer well doers" to establish scene command and accountability.

Seriously, If you're not dispatched, do not go. You will only endanger yourself and others at this point.

If you want to help and are in the area, contact your local hospitals or red cross and see what they need.
 
2013-04-18 01:26:39 AM
I'm 70 miles from West, and won't be self-dispatching anytime soon..

If you're close, go donate blood first thing in the morning.
 
2013-04-18 01:30:46 AM
CBS News says according to head of local EMS, death toll is at 60.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:55 AM
Then I shall stay at home and self dispatch, if you know what I mean.
 
2013-04-18 01:32:07 AM

vicejay: CBS News says according to head of local EMS, death toll is at 60.


Including five firefighters and 2 EMS workers, their station was flattened in the blast and the Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

Death toll is expected to rise. There are some statements from MDs in the area on Paramedics on Facebook that indicate the toll may be approaching 100, especially with the collapse search underway at the nursing home.
 
2013-04-18 01:32:56 AM
ok, im on my way
 
2013-04-18 01:33:07 AM
im sure that nobody knows the real death toll yet since they cannot get close enough to the charred blown to pieces bodies?

/too soon?
 
2013-04-18 01:33:37 AM

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?


There's not really such a thing as "out of the way" in a large-scale industrial accident like this.  The time required to tell you to fark off can be enough time wasted to get people killed.
 
2013-04-18 01:33:45 AM

vicejay: CBS News says according to head of local EMS, death toll is at 60.


Sh*t. This week sucks.
 
2013-04-18 01:34:02 AM
Don't worry they all are coming in a single file line and the place will have burn to the ground before half of them get there.

I hope they upgraded to haz mat units
 
2013-04-18 01:34:07 AM
My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(
 
2013-04-18 01:34:13 AM
I was gonna drive over to help but I'm a little drunk.

Also I'm 4000km away. And a little drunk.
 
2013-04-18 01:35:02 AM
Hell's Week.
 
2013-04-18 01:35:47 AM

Jim_Callahan: There's not really such a thing as "out of the way" in a large-scale industrial accident like this.  The time required to tell you to fark off can be enough time wasted to get people killed.


Especially since they're talking about the possibility of more explosions at the site that big.

Not the time to be running around with good intentions and shiat idea what's going on around you.
 
2013-04-18 01:36:49 AM
'Hey, Boyd, wat you oughta do, is go piss on that dadgum son of a biatch. Remember in junior VFW ROTC training how you were the best !? Go give that fire a Texas welcome. REMEMBER THE ALAMO !!!!' (truck burnin' rubber sound in the background).

/yeah buddy
 
2013-04-18 01:36:54 AM

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


I'd check the proximity of their house to the explosion on google maps. Here's hoping that they're well out of the way.
 
2013-04-18 01:37:03 AM

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


Oh god. Hope the best for your family. :(
 
2013-04-18 01:38:57 AM
hardinparamedic: Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

It's sad. Sad that they died. Sad that they ran in there not knowing what they were dealing with.

I still can't get over the apparent fact that the firefighters didn't understand the danger of a massive explosion. If they did, they would have held back and focused on setting up a perimeter and evac.
 
2013-04-18 01:39:00 AM

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


Thoughts to them. Hopefully they're ok. Keep trying.
 
2013-04-18 01:39:05 AM
Starting to see a trickle of people updating on FB that they are ok. Still a few we have no word on. Keeping fingers crossed.
 
2013-04-18 01:40:17 AM

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


Phone lines are down in the Area. Cell sites are probably overloaded by emergency communications too.

Try the Red Cross website. They may be establishing operations near there, and I'm sure shelters are open.
 
2013-04-18 01:40:18 AM

Uakronkid: hardinparamedic: Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

It's sad. Sad that they died. Sad that they ran in there not knowing what they were dealing with.

I still can't get over the apparent fact that the firefighters didn't understand the danger of a massive explosion. If they did, they would have held back and focused on setting up a perimeter and evac.


they were volunteers.  In a town of 2700 I wonder how many fires they even fought.
 
2013-04-18 01:41:26 AM

Uakronkid: hardinparamedic: Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

It's sad. Sad that they died. Sad that they ran in there not knowing what they were dealing with.

I still can't get over the apparent fact that the firefighters didn't understand the danger of a massive explosion. If they did, they would have held back and focused on setting up a perimeter and evac.


That's the thing. All we know is that there was a small fire on the site before the explosion. We don't know anything more than that.
 
2013-04-18 01:41:27 AM

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


Hoping for the best for them.. Here's some info I scraped off WFAA's website:


WEST, Texas - Below, you will find the latest news and information as it is rolling into our newsroom.


Evacuees were told to go to the community center in Abbott, Texas, about five miles north of WestHillcrest

Hospital patient information hotline 254-202-1100 (KWTX News 10)

FAA has placed a temporary flight restriction over airspace around the TX explosion. Only emergency aircraft allowed to operate.

(ABC News)Most critical patients to Hillcrest Baptist in Waco, followed by Providence Hospital.

The town of west has a population of about 2,800.

 (ABC News)First Baptist Church of Lott has room for anyone needing a place to stay. Call 254-829-2321.

 (KWTX News 10)Eight to ten blocks evacuated in West, Texas.

(Sheriff)West Fertilizer Company was fined $2,300 in 2006 becuse it "failed to implement the risk management plan."

(News Channel 25)Home Depot in Bellmead is open all night for assistance.

 (News Channel 25)RT @jayhicks: Trooper Wilson: Plant is still smoldering. Won't go back in. 50-75 homes have been destroyed.West Mayor says 4 to 5 firemen are unaccounted for. (RT by KWTX News 10)

Blair's Cove Apts in Waco offering housing to any resident affected by #Westexplosion 2425 S. 21 Street (254) 447-0810

The West Police Department has called for a mass evacuation.

First Baptist Church of Lott is taking in refugees at 228 Wildcat Cr. Lott, TX. (254) 829-2321

Turner's in downtown Waco is taking refugees with pets. They are located at 721 Austin Ave. Contact shane Turner at (254) 644-7904.

Church of the Open door will be opened for survivors. They are located off of exit 339 in Bellmead.
 
2013-04-18 01:42:17 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(

Oh god. Hope the best for your family. :(


http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/Explosion-Injuries-Reported-At-We st -Fertilizer-Plant-203505331.html

To check on injured residents admitted to Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center call (254) 202-1100

For family inquiries about patients at Scott & White call (888) 394-4947

Family inquiries about patients at Providence Health Center (254) 761-7200
 
2013-04-18 01:42:43 AM

Uakronkid: hardinparamedic: Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

It's sad. Sad that they died. Sad that they ran in there not knowing what they were dealing with.

I still can't get over the apparent fact that the firefighters didn't understand the danger of a massive explosion. If they did, they would have held back and focused on setting up a perimeter and evac.


In fact, growing up in a town the same size, I knew some of the volunteer firefighters of the town.  They fought a single fire, a bush on fire in a big puddle.
 
2013-04-18 01:42:48 AM
Quick, everyone go help.
 
2013-04-18 01:45:18 AM

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


I hope all is well. Try using SMS rather than a phone call - it may be delayed, but it's much more likely to get through.
From one of the DFW stations:


Officials say family members looking for loved ones can call 254-202-1100.


Read more:  http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/22007886/injuries-building-damage-in-fe r tilizer-plant-explosion#ixzz2Qn5p3Neq
 
2013-04-18 01:48:17 AM
Evacuated the area, FAA closed off the airspace, phone lines are down, telling people to stay away...
skepticalcubefarm.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-18 01:48:23 AM

markie_farkie: RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(

Hoping for the best for them.. Here's some info I scraped off WFAA's website:...

Church of the Open door will be opened for survivors. They are located off of exit 339 in Bellmead.


A Fark ready headline for the day after thread.
 
2013-04-18 01:50:01 AM
Dammit, it's a sad event , but it is nice to see that they already have offers of too much help. Nice to see the surrounding areas making space for survivors. If you have never been to Texas, they really do think they are a separate country and take up for each other like no place I've ever been before. God Speed !
 
2013-04-18 01:50:18 AM
Holy Crap, according to google this sonic is a little over a mile away from the plant.
At this point I'm just hoping it's just hoping no one else dies and that it's just the usual run of the mill corporate incompitence or greed. My standards for "good news" have been steadily dropping throughout the week. And it's only just thursday.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-04-18 01:51:01 AM
Guys, the EMS Director confirmed the 60-70 figure for FATALITIES an hour ago.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 01:52:24 AM
cdn.theatlanticwire.com
Damn these cheap internets
 
2013-04-18 01:57:00 AM
I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.
 
2013-04-18 01:57:00 AM

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?


yes, way too much help. humans are actually pretty slow at most stuff. especially big stuff. you should have seen the cluster fark in manhattan following 9/11. People driving in from out of state like NYC has never handled a demolition project before anyone had figured out who was in charge or what the plan was.  we have dispatchers for  a reason, if you ar enot on shift, watch the damn news from home or a bar Captain Americas !
 
2013-04-18 01:57:20 AM
Sad events, sad days for the US.

I can, in a way, relate to that sense of fear and confusion a few might be getting. Mexico has been steadily having these problems, from shootings that could very well be classified as terror acts, then a sort of natural disasters and accidents. It depresses you, and it makes you want to leave the country to somewhere else more calm. But, it's these days that test the mettle of the human spirit, it's these days that weed out the meek and the strong, the days that turn otherwise ordinary citizens into heroic figures.

The darker the night, the closer it is to dawn.
 
2013-04-18 01:58:35 AM

HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.


We haven't seen a good volcanic eruption in awhile.  Live near any of those?

/I do
 
2013-04-18 01:59:22 AM
i45.tinypic.com

Okay, fine.

HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAAAAAAAY!!!!   ;)
 
2013-04-18 02:00:04 AM
All they really want is a thank you Masked Man.
 
2013-04-18 02:02:35 AM

TiredWings: Dammit, it's a sad event , but it is nice to see that they already have offers of too much help. Nice to see the surrounding areas making space for survivors. If you have never been to Texas, they really do think they are a separate country and take up for each other like no place I've ever been before. God Speed !


Texans are some hospitable folks, but I think it's a trait we all share. When things get bad we tend to step up and do what needs to be done. We are a country that's good at bad times, it's only when we're comfortable and things are back to normal that we start to get after each other again.
 
2013-04-18 02:03:38 AM

HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.


I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.
 
2013-04-18 02:05:09 AM

Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.


You have Cleveland. You've suffered enough.
 
2013-04-18 02:05:38 AM

HypnozombieX: [cdn.theatlanticwire.com image 614x615]
Damn these cheap internets


Dang.  At least the czech stop appears unharmed... but I gotta ask - did someone instagram that picture?  Was that really necessary?
 
2013-04-18 02:08:48 AM
As an emergency dispatcher, I tend to be quiet and just lurk. Subby is right. If you don't know what you're doing and you are not in the command chain, then stay the fark out of the way.

We have had some in depth reminders this week about various shiat
 
2013-04-18 02:10:58 AM

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?


Chemical plants are very farking dangerous places to be during normal operation anyway.  One that has just exploded where the situation inside is likely still changing is even more so.  The last thing they need is a bunch of people standing around with their hands in their pants that don't have a clue what to do or where to go...one of the main reasons for evacuations is just to get people away from dangerous shiat so they don't wait until the last second and then clog the roads.  500 ambulances and fire trucks blocks the road just as much as 500 cars and trucks.

These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.

This is in part because of an accident in the 1970s.  A chemical plant farked up and absolutely everyone that could hold a damn shovel showed up.  Well, it blew up again, and now instead of a few injured workers, they had to treat over a hundred people for chemical burns, lung damage, etc.  The REAL responders set up a perimeter at a safe distance.  These people rushed to the front gates.  Of course when it was over they started demanding other people pay for their misfortune...
 
2013-04-18 02:11:20 AM

Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.


Imma gonna come stay with you all for a while.  2 miles from the coast (tidal wave), 30 miles from an active volcano, and ears deep in one of the most shaky earthquake zones in the country.

/oh, yeah, almost forgot about the twice-yearly cyclones.
 
2013-04-18 02:13:51 AM
You know, Kim Jong Un could be getting pissed at being thrown off the news by two terrorist attacks and an industrial accident.  That's one way in which this week could get worse...
 
2013-04-18 02:13:59 AM

redsquid: I do agree with the scrubs in public thing


WTF in Emergency Services wears scrubs on the rig?

These are functional and stylish.

static.511tactical.com

And 64 freaking bucks a pop. :(
 
2013-04-18 02:15:45 AM

Uakronkid: no industrial disasters,


Hey, the river caught on fire once. And the Indians and Browns are routinely industrial disasters.
 
2013-04-18 02:16:16 AM

markie_farkie: RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(

Hoping for the best for them.. Here's some info I scraped off WFAA's website:


WEST, Texas - Below, you will find the latest news and information as it is rolling into our newsroom.


Evacuees were told to go to the community center in Abbott, Texas, about five miles north of WestHillcrest

Hospital patient information hotline 254-202-1100 (KWTX News 10)

FAA has placed a temporary flight restriction over airspace around the TX explosion. Only emergency aircraft allowed to operate.

(ABC News)Most critical patients to Hillcrest Baptist in Waco, followed by Providence Hospital.

The town of west has a population of about 2,800.

 (ABC News)First Baptist Church of Lott has room for anyone needing a place to stay. Call 254-829-2321.

 (KWTX News 10)Eight to ten blocks evacuated in West, Texas.

(Sheriff)West Fertilizer Company was fined $2,300 in 2006 becuse it "failed to implement the risk management plan."

(News Channel 25)Home Depot in Bellmead is open all night for assistance.

 (News Channel 25)RT @jayhicks: Trooper Wilson: Plant is still smoldering. Won't go back in. 50-75 homes have been destroyed.West Mayor says 4 to 5 firemen are unaccounted for. (RT by KWTX News 10)

Blair's Cove Apts in Waco offering housing to any resident affected by #Westexplosion 2425 S. 21 Street (254) 447-0810

The West Police Department has called for a mass evacuation.

First Baptist Church of Lott is taking in refugees at 228 Wildcat Cr. Lott, TX. (254) 829-2321

Turner's in downtown Waco is taking refugees with pets. They are located at 721 Austin Ave. Contact shane Turner at (254) 644-7904.

Church of the Open door will be opened for survivors. They are located off of exit 339 in Bellmead.


You are all kinds of awesome. Thank you.
 
2013-04-18 02:17:06 AM

crotchgrabber: As an emergency dispatcher, I tend to be quiet and just lurk. Subby is right. If you don't know what you're doing and you are not in the command chain, then stay the fark out of the way.

We have had some in depth reminders this week about various shiat


I find it slightly disconcerting that an emergency dispatcher has the Fark handle "crotchgrabber".
 
2013-04-18 02:17:26 AM

hardinparamedic: And 64 freaking bucks a pop. :(


$54 if you catch them on sale.
 
2013-04-18 02:18:11 AM

universebetween: im sure that nobody knows the real death toll yet since they cannot get close enough to the charred blown to pieces bodies?

/too soon?


Sadly that's a real problem with petro/chemical explosions like this.
 
2013-04-18 02:18:12 AM

CraicBaby: crotchgrabber: As an emergency dispatcher, I tend to be quiet and just lurk. Subby is right. If you don't know what you're doing and you are not in the command chain, then stay the fark out of the way.

We have had some in depth reminders this week about various shiat

I find it slightly disconcerting that an emergency dispatcher has the Fark handle "crotchgrabber".


In an emergency, check to see if you have all necessary items.
 
2013-04-18 02:18:29 AM

hardinparamedic: redsquid: I do agree with the scrubs in public thing

WTF in Emergency Services wears scrubs on the rig?

These are functional and stylish.

[static.511tactical.com image 242x242]

And 64 freaking bucks a pop. :(


And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.
 
2013-04-18 02:19:18 AM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: hardinparamedic: And 64 freaking bucks a pop. :(

$54 if you catch them on sale.


BUT SO WORTH IT if you have knee problems like me.

/mmm, built in knee pads.

crotchgrabber: As an emergency dispatcher, I tend to be quiet and just lurk. Subby is right. If you don't know what you're doing and you are not in the command chain, then stay the fark out of the way.

We have had some in depth reminders this week about various shiat


Happy Dispatcher Week, Bro/Sis.
 
2013-04-18 02:19:25 AM
To make matters even worse, a cold front is barreling down on North Texas as I type this, and temps will be plummeting into the low 40s in West, with rain, wind, and generally shiatty weather for the next few days.
 
2013-04-18 02:20:12 AM

redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.


You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*
 
2013-04-18 02:20:22 AM
cameroncrazy1984:Hey, the river caught on fire once.

Thirteen times, actually. It's been cleaned up and is now the centerpiece of one of the most visited national parks in America.
 
2013-04-18 02:20:43 AM

redsquid: hardinparamedic: redsquid: I do agree with the scrubs in public thing

WTF in Emergency Services wears scrubs on the rig?

These are functional and stylish.

[static.511tactical.com image 242x242]

And 64 freaking bucks a pop. :(

And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.


yeah, it's hard not to visualize those and blood and guts.
 
2013-04-18 02:22:36 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 02:23:40 AM

hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*


OK now you're favorite as 'Spagetti-Os and Vodak '.
Thanks.
And ewww.
 
2013-04-18 02:26:30 AM

hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*


Good luck.

Also, while I don't envy having to give mouth-to-mouth and all the horrible things people have in their mouths when they need it, it has to be better than the smells that came from the trail of partially digested rice and other things that came out of a gentleman's colostomy hole ( hole, not bag - it had fallen off, you see) as he tried to check into the ER where I work.
 
2013-04-18 02:26:49 AM

Myria: You know, Kim Jong Un could be getting pissed at being thrown off the news by two terrorist attacks and an industrial accident.  That's one way in which this week could get worse...


Are you kidding? The timing was perfect. Pick a fight with the big guy, talk tough, and a car crashes nearby. Quickly exit stage left when everyone is looking the other way.

I was really wondering what I could say next.
 
2013-04-18 02:28:48 AM

Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.


The people of Xenia, Ohio may want to have a word with you.
 
2013-04-18 02:28:59 AM

CraicBaby: crotchgrabber: As an emergency dispatcher, I tend to be quiet and just lurk. Subby is right. If you don't know what you're doing and you are not in the command chain, then stay the fark out of the way.

We have had some in depth reminders this week about various shiat

I find it slightly disconcerting that an emergency dispatcher has the Fark handle "crotchgrabber".


They've got nothing better to do during their shift. It also explains why units keep crossing paths on the way to calls.
 
2013-04-18 02:29:36 AM
Oi. Got way too many responses in this one.

Back on topic: good luck to West TX.
 
2013-04-18 02:30:05 AM
As a volunteer firefighter in the middle of nowhere, this is my recurring nightmare; a fire that rapidly gets beyond our capabilities in a bad way.

Last summer, we got a call that lightning struck the Esso Oil tank farm in town, and that there was smoke showing.  No page went out right away, but a few of us went down to the hall to see what was up.  I remember wondering about just what the hell we were going to do if it really did get hit; there's only 20 of us, the closest mutual aid is 1200km to the south, and we`ve only got two pumpers and a few water/shiat trucks at our disposal.  We talked a bit about the "rule of thumb", as in put your thumb up in your field of vision, and if you can still see the fire, you're too farking close...

Terrible, terrible news... I'm not a praying man myself, but our whole department is hoping for the best of a bad situation down there.  Sounds as though this will be one of those lessons learned issues of Firehouse in the coming months though...
 
2013-04-18 02:32:20 AM

Myria: You know, Kim Jong Un could be getting pissed at being thrown off the news by two terrorist attacks and an industrial accident.  That's one way in which this week could get worse...


The Severe Storms Forecast Center says that a moderate risk for severe weather extends from SW Michigan to the AR-LA-MS borders.  It's "cross-hatched", which means that the severe weather may be extra-severe (EF2 tornadoes, 2" hail, 74+ mph winds).  So KJU will have to get in line.
 
2013-04-18 02:32:43 AM
Uh....OK, Vomit Baptism would make a very...tasteless...name for a band.

Sorry.

Anyone who disses Texas for the next three months is gonna get a free complimentary cockpunch from little bitty ol' me.
 
2013-04-18 02:33:37 AM

JPINFV: CraicBaby: crotchgrabber: As an emergency dispatcher, I tend to be quiet and just lurk. Subby is right. If you don't know what you're doing and you are not in the command chain, then stay the fark out of the way.

We have had some in depth reminders this week about various shiat

I find it slightly disconcerting that an emergency dispatcher has the Fark handle "crotchgrabber".

They've got nothing better to do during their shift. It also explains why units keep crossing paths on the way to calls.


Hey pal, piss off.
 
2013-04-18 02:36:20 AM

Uakronkid: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

Good luck.

Also, while I don't envy having to give mouth-to-mouth and all the horrible things people have in their mouths when they need it, it has to be better than the smells that came from the trail of partially digested rice and other things that came out of a gentleman's colostomy hole ( hole, not bag - it had fallen off, you see) as he tried to check into the ER where I work.


OK there is no amount of money in the world that would feel like fair pay for that kind of stuff.
Thanks for doing it.
*cringe*
 
2013-04-18 02:36:44 AM

hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*



Farkied you as being a fellow, "in the business".  Can't say who I'm with organizationally on public media, but I'm a FF/medic close by.  My department sent hazmat regional response for mutual aid.  After the first explosion, there were reports of ammonia leaking.  Worked in the business for a while with a guy whose brother was reported to be on scene when the explosion (looks like a BLEVE to me) occurred.  Another brother that lives 12 miles away felt the explosion and had his house doors blown shut.

For the douche talking earlier about comparing wearing his lab coat to EMS:  fark you.  If you had anything to do with emergency management, you'd know not to armchair quarterback.  You, sir or ma'am, may go to hell and take your farking phlebotomist or piss-dunking qualification with you.  biatch.

Hardinparamedic, the posts you've been making in this thread are spot on.  Thank you.
 
2013-04-18 02:37:43 AM
can we say the squirells in texas are dumb?
 
2013-04-18 02:39:54 AM

Skyd1v: most shaky earthquake zones in the country


I don't think you're referring to California, but I live in California, earthquake central as far as the U.S. is concerned.  I'm not really afraid of earthquakes, because our infrastructure is better designed for them, out of necessity and sad experience.  Whereas that 5.0 earthquake that shook the East Coast caused people there to be scared, a 5.0 to us generally a short fun ride.  Real damage doesn't occur until the 6.0's.

Modern large California earthquakes cause plenty of damage and deaths, but nothing on the scale of something like a powerful hurricane.
 
2013-04-18 02:42:17 AM

hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*


P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!
 
2013-04-18 02:42:51 AM

Myria: Skyd1v: most shaky earthquake zones in the country

I don't think you're referring to California, but I live in California, earthquake central as far as the U.S. is concerned.  I'm not really afraid of earthquakes, because our infrastructure is better designed for them, out of necessity and sad experience.  Whereas that 5.0 earthquake that shook the East Coast caused people there to be scared, a 5.0 to us generally a short fun ride.  Real damage doesn't occur until the 6.0's.

Modern large California earthquakes cause plenty of damage and deaths, but nothing on the scale of something like a powerful hurricane.


Earthquakes on the East Coast are more problematic because the bedrock is rigid and carry the waves about three times farther out than they do in California.

Also, I think he was referring to Alaska, which makes California look like a bastion of geological stability.
 
2013-04-18 02:43:39 AM
What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?
 
2013-04-18 02:47:13 AM
Did I get trolled?

Yeah, I think I did.

911 is a joke, right?

Good night.
 
2013-04-18 02:48:18 AM

Larmer: As a volunteer firefighter in the middle of nowhere, this is my recurring nightmare; a fire that rapidly gets beyond our capabilities in a bad way.

Last summer, we got a call that lightning struck the Esso Oil tank farm in town, and that there was smoke showing.  No page went out right away, but a few of us went down to the hall to see what was up.  I remember wondering about just what the hell we were going to do if it really did get hit; there's only 20 of us, the closest mutual aid is 1200km to the south, and we`ve only got two pumpers and a few water/shiat trucks at our disposal.  We talked a bit about the "rule of thumb", as in put your thumb up in your field of vision, and if you can still see the fire, you're too farking close...

Terrible, terrible news... I'm not a praying man myself, but our whole department is hoping for the best of a bad situation down there.  Sounds as though this will be one of those lessons learned issues of Firehouse in the coming months though...



Pre-fire plan and set unmanned master streams if you can.  Evacuate area ASAP.  If your department hasn't planned for this, please keep pushing and don't give in to the "won't ever happen to us" mentality.  Thoe only thing more tragic than losing firefighters is not learning from the situation that caused it.  Be safe, brother.
 
2013-04-18 02:49:13 AM

Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!


Nasty.

Ever had a crazy old lady purposefully dig some C. Diff--tainted shiat out of her ass and throw it at anyone who got near? It happens way more often than I care to say.
 
2013-04-18 02:50:45 AM
Just heard ab out this now, here....I have family in West. It's a tiny village, not even remotely big enough to call a town. Hope they're ok...imagine family would have called to tell me otherwise, though.
 
2013-04-18 02:53:47 AM

kvinesknows: can we say the squirells in texas are dumb?


The flat ones in the middle of the roads are.
 
2013-04-18 02:54:05 AM

Mutt Farkinov: unmanned master streams


I haven't had one of those since I was 11!
 
2013-04-18 02:54:16 AM
I assume this doesn't apply to doomsday preppers and gunsmiths, right? They're always needed on scene.
 
2013-04-18 02:58:06 AM

Mutt Farkinov: Larmer: As a volunteer firefighter in the middle of nowhere, this is my recurring nightmare; a fire that rapidly gets beyond our capabilities in a bad way.

Last summer, we got a call that lightning struck the Esso Oil tank farm in town, and that there was smoke showing.  No page went out right away, but a few of us went down to the hall to see what was up.  I remember wondering about just what the hell we were going to do if it really did get hit; there's only 20 of us, the closest mutual aid is 1200km to the south, and we`ve only got two pumpers and a few water/shiat trucks at our disposal.  We talked a bit about the "rule of thumb", as in put your thumb up in your field of vision, and if you can still see the fire, you're too farking close...

Terrible, terrible news... I'm not a praying man myself, but our whole department is hoping for the best of a bad situation down there.  Sounds as though this will be one of those lessons learned issues of Firehouse in the coming months though...


Pre-fire plan and set unmanned master streams if you can.  Evacuate area ASAP.  If your department hasn't planned for this, please keep pushing and don't give in to the "won't ever happen to us" mentality.  Thoe only thing more tragic than losing firefighters is not learning from the situation that caused it.  Be safe, brother.


We've had a lot of changes in the last year, new chief that's former DND firefighter, so we're plowing our way through the commercial and multi unit residential buildings for pre fires.  Our main issue is water supply, as we don't have conventional hydrant systems, only above ground "utilidor" water lines in the town proper.  Anything outside town limits is water shuttle, so supplying the master streams are an issue.

A few years ago we lost a hangar with a couple King Airs and a Twin Otter in it, went up quick, and we had 6 DND personnel with crash trucks on site for that one at least.  Can't really put out a fire without the wet stuff.

We're running safe now, but when you're as remote as we are, evac is the only option for the holy fark fires...

Thanks for the advice, quite the brotherhood we've got going in the fire service... ;)
 
2013-04-18 02:58:58 AM
I responded to the 35W bridge collapse as a paramedic, and can tell you that the amount of people who self-dispatched was staggering.  Fire trucks and squads showing up from departments from God knows where all trying to help when we were trying to CLEAR the roads and radio traffic to get ambulances out.  All these folks succeeded in doing was keeping rescuers from doing their job.  It was a clusterf*ck.

STAY THE HELL AWAY unless you are summoned.

Don't get me wrong, people have good intentions, but if you aren't requested, you hinder the process.  There is a method to the madness of incident command structure at a mass casualty incident.
 
2013-04-18 02:59:20 AM

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?



When I was volunteering (disaster relief, not first responder), there were generally three kinds of volunteers who would show up uninvited.

There were the ones who wouldn't get in your way, but they would decide that if you'e not digging through a house right at that moment, you're never going to, so that's where they should be. If they didn't leave when told, they would nearly always end up needing medical treatment.

There were the "I pay your salary" types, (never mind that nearly every worker on the site was with a charity), who would take charge and start directing newcomers on what to do, often straight into condemned buildings. Usually it would take a police officer to convince them to leave.

And there were the ones who knew what they were doing and how to follow instructions. They would show up at the staging area (as opposed to just grabbing a shovel) agree to register before doing anything else, and didn't complain about being put on the supply line until they could get properly trained for search and rescue. I only know of two people from this group, a couple who had applied a month before and wanted to make themselves available since they lived in the area and knew that most of our volunteers wouldn't arrive for a few days.

Of course this is a first responder situation with an ongoing risk of explosion, so the danger increases exponentially just for showing up, and merely driving through will contribute to traffic problems for the emergency crews who really can help.
 
2013-04-18 03:00:33 AM

Paris1127: What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?


The components for fertilizer, just as explosive.
 
2013-04-18 03:01:25 AM
The only thing that can stop a reckless company with an exploding fertilizer plant is a good guy with an exploding fertilizer plant.
 
2013-04-18 03:02:57 AM

Yamaneko2: Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.

The people of Xenia, Ohio may want to have a word with you.


Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.
 
2013-04-18 03:03:07 AM
So some lazy pioneer just stopped there and said, fark it we'll build a factory and eh, call it West, close enough.

Yeah I'm sure it's a wonderful place. I'm guessing they probably chased off any of them fancy federal factory inspectors 30 years ago.
 
2013-04-18 03:03:30 AM
Watching a live video stream from Texas, I've heart two different reporters ask two different people "what's in your heart?". Is that some kind of Texas thing? Or Jesus thing? Or both? Or am I having auditory hallucinations?
 
2013-04-18 03:04:01 AM
Let's face it, that is probably one of the worst places to live in the USA. It'll be hard to miss.
 
2013-04-18 03:05:04 AM

Shadow Blasko: Yamaneko2: Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.

The people of Xenia, Ohio may want to have a word with you.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.


I consider that area North Kentucky.
 
2013-04-18 03:05:57 AM

nyrkah1: Watching a live video stream from Texas, I've heart two different reporters ask two different people "what's in your heart?". Is that some kind of Texas thing? Or Jesus thing? Or both? Or am I having auditory hallucinations?


The stars at night - are big and bright
Deep in the heart of texas.
The prairie sky - is wide and high
Deep in the heart of texas.
The sage in bloom - is like perfume
Deep in the heart of texas.
Reminds me of - the one I love
Deep in the heart of texas.
The cowboys cry - ki-yip-pie-yi
Deep in the heart of texas.
The rabbits rush - around the brush
Deep in the heart of texas.
The coyotes wail - along the trail
Deep in the heart of texas.
The doggies bawl - and bawl and bawl
Deep in the heart of texas.
 
2013-04-18 03:06:48 AM

Mutt Farkinov: Can't say who I'm with organizationally on public media, but I'm a FF/medic close by.


I'm now imagining an undercover paramedic slinking around in back alleys in a trenchcoat.
 
2013-04-18 03:08:28 AM

HotWingAgenda: Mutt Farkinov: Can't say who I'm with organizationally on public media, but I'm a FF/medic close by.

I'm now imagining an undercover paramedic slinking around in back alleys in a trenchcoat.


Lol, the smart ones don't say who they're with because if they ever cracked an inappropriate joke, some butthurt douchebag would file a complaint with their workplace.
 
2013-04-18 03:12:16 AM

Confabulat: nyrkah1: Watching a live video stream from Texas, I've heart two different reporters ask two different people "what's in your heart?". Is that some kind of Texas thing? Or Jesus thing? Or both? Or am I having auditory hallucinations?

The stars at night - are big and bright
Deep in the heart of texas.
The prairie sky - is wide and high
Deep in the heart of texas.
The sage in bloom - is like perfume
Deep in the heart of texas.
Reminds me of - the one I love
Deep in the heart of texas.
The cowboys cry - ki-yip-pie-yi
Deep in the heart of texas.
The rabbits rush - around the brush
Deep in the heart of texas.
The coyotes wail - along the trail
Deep in the heart of texas.
The doggies bawl - and bawl and bawl
Deep in the heart of texas.


Be very aware that three days from now when that song is still rolling around in my head, I WILL be cursing your name.
 
2013-04-18 03:12:49 AM
Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?

Yes, too much help. And people that can't follow instructions. Or people who just start doing something because it seems like a good idea*. Or get pissy because they don't like the task they were given, even though it's something necessary. Or leave in the middle because they don't like the task. Or people who donate stuff that we don't need and can't use. Donate cash please. We have specific needs and buy in bulk; we can get more than you can for the same amount of money. Or at least check the web site where we list items we actually need. And if we list a brand name, we have a reason. Get the brand and type we specified.

*for example: "helpful" volunteers see a bunch of stuff piled up outside the building. They see a partially empty room inside and just decide to move all the stuff into the room, filling it up. Well, guess what? That's a conference room, people are working in there, we need that space. So now move it all back outside.  Thanks so much for helping.

I know that doesn't sound like much, but when it's one thing after another, day after day, it gets tiresome.
 
2013-04-18 03:12:52 AM
West=Vest

Philistines
 
2013-04-18 03:14:08 AM

firefly212: The only thing that can stop a reckless company with an exploding fertilizer plant is a good guy with an exploding fertilizer plant.


/taps you very lightly with large cast iron frying pan
//just like a tiny little paw
 
2013-04-18 03:14:27 AM

Uakronkid: Shadow Blasko: Yamaneko2: Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.

The people of Xenia, Ohio may want to have a word with you.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

I consider that area North Kentucky.


50 miles from NKY ...

Sorry.
 
2013-04-18 03:16:05 AM

Paris1127: What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?


Anhydrous ammonia and nitrates for oxidizing. Probably some hydrogen sulfides on site. All that stuff goes into fertilizer.

A little bit of chemistry knowledge means that that place is a literally a bomb. Growing up in a farm area means you learn really damn fast what's dangerous in agriculture.
 
2013-04-18 03:22:09 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Paris1127: What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?

Anhydrous ammonia and nitrates for oxidizing. Probably some hydrogen sulfides on site. All that stuff goes into fertilizer.

A little bit of chemistry knowledge means that that place is a literally a bomb. Growing up in a farm area means you learn really damn fast what's dangerous in agriculture.


I was just commenting on the two blasts' similarities. I know fertilizer and explosives share some ingredients.
 
2013-04-18 03:26:35 AM

Paris1127: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Paris1127: What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?

Anhydrous ammonia and nitrates for oxidizing. Probably some hydrogen sulfides on site. All that stuff goes into fertilizer.

A little bit of chemistry knowledge means that that place is a literally a bomb. Growing up in a farm area means you learn really damn fast what's dangerous in agriculture.

I was just commenting on the two blasts' similarities. I know fertilizer and explosives share some ingredients.


The scary thing is this plant is pretty close to the Oklahoma City blast.
 
2013-04-18 03:29:01 AM

Phins: Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?

Yes, too much help. And people that can't follow instructions. Or people who just start doing something because it seems like a good idea*. Or get pissy because they don't like the task they were given, even though it's something necessary. Or leave in the middle because they don't like the task. Or people who donate stuff that we don't need and can't use. Donate cash please. We have specific needs and buy in bulk; we can get more than you can for the same amount of money. Or at least check the web site where we list items we actually need. And if we list a brand name, we have a reason. Get the brand and type we specified.

*for example: "helpful" volunteers see a bunch of stuff piled up outside the building. They see a partially empty room inside and just decide to move all the stuff into the room, filling it up. Well, guess what? That's a conference room, people are working in there, we need that space. So now move it all back outside.  Thanks so much for helping.

I know that doesn't sound like much, but when it's one thing after another, day after day, it gets tiresome.


Reminds me of the whole question of donating blood after the Boston bombing the other day, with the Hospital saying "we have enough blood, thanks", and people asking "WHAT CAN WE DO? HOW CAN WE HELP?!?!11"

Simple answer... sit home, monitor the situation from your television, and let the professionals do their jobs.
 
2013-04-18 03:32:02 AM
And I'm back.

And wow. I missed an EMT-turned-Med Student and Dispatcher fight. Those are usually fun.

Mutt Farkinov: but I'm a FF/medic close by


Oh god, not ANOTHER one. :P

I kid, I kid. Got you farkied now. Stay safe out there brother.
 
2013-04-18 03:32:37 AM

markie_farkie: I'm 70 miles from West, and won't be self-dispatching anytime soon..

If you're close, go donate blood first thing in the morning.


I self-dispatched a few hours ago. Not sure if it helped though
 
2013-04-18 03:48:04 AM
(deleted: Personal attacks/namecalling; I understand, but dont compound it please)

Fair enough, admin, please allow me to rephrase.  Confabulat, a guy I've known and worked with for 13 years lost his brother tonight in that explosion.  He was a firefighter just there doing his job.  I'm sure it was standard Fark trolling that you were doing.  I hope that you are blessed with a long life and that you are surrounded all the way into old age by family and kids and grandchildren.  I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that people in West, TX haven't drawn your ire in any specific way and that yours was just a moment of derp while trying to be edgy and cool.  I've no doubt that all those who read your posts now will recognize you for the thoughtful philanthropist you are.

All the best,

Mutt
 
2013-04-18 03:49:32 AM
iGNORE THIS PSA

I ignore control freaks.  They never want to take responsibility for their actions, if the dog gammed leaders in charge are so smart where is their contingency plan, and why wasn't this avoided in the first place.  On the other hand, if there are just way to many f*cking people there helping already, find a way to help further out of the way.  I'm sure hospitals around are accepting blood, food and shelter areas need to be set up.  Anyway I got a horse show to run gotta go.

/If the world would listen I could make it a better place one fark post at a time
 
2013-04-18 03:50:52 AM

Skyd1v: Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.

Imma gonna come stay with you all for a while.  2 miles from the coast (tidal wave), 30 miles from an active volcano, and ears deep in one of the most shaky earthquake zones in the country.

/oh, yeah, almost forgot about the twice-yearly cyclones.


Ohio still gets floods and tornadoes, and don't forget the gas line explosions from last year from decaying infrastructure... Plus they had earthquakes allegedly from Fracking operations...

/sorry
 
2013-04-18 03:51:52 AM

Mutt Farkinov: (deleted: Personal attacks/namecalling; I understand, but dont compound it please)

Fair enough, admin, please allow me to rephrase.  Confabulat, a guy I've known and worked with for 13 years lost his brother tonight in that explosion.  He was a firefighter just there doing his job.  I'm sure it was standard Fark trolling that you were doing.  I hope that you are blessed with a long life and that you are surrounded all the way into old age by family and kids and grandchildren.  I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that people in West, TX haven't drawn your ire in any specific way and that yours was just a moment of derp while trying to be edgy and cool.  I've no doubt that all those who read your posts now will recognize you for the thoughtful philanthropist you are.

All the best,

Mutt


What did I do to insult your friend's brother? Making fun of small-town Texas?

Buddy, my family is lifetime Floridians and I'm proud to carry the torch. Yet look at me here on Fark.com.

I apologize for vaguely insulting the brother of your friend or co-worker or whatever in some minor way. Deep in the heart of Texas!
 
2013-04-18 03:59:38 AM
I think I have the overly-helpful personality that I'm sure annoys people somehow.  I just haven't been near a disaster before, so my damage has been limited.  Get 100 of me in a disaster zone and bad things will happen, I'm sure.

I wonder whether 4chan's labeling of suspects in Boston is similarly getting in the way, though not physically.
 
2013-04-18 04:00:22 AM

nyrkah1: Watching a live video stream from Texas, I've heart two different reporters ask two different people "what's in your heart?". Is that some kind of Texas thing? Or Jesus thing? Or both? Or am I having auditory hallucinations?


Reporter (not any of the reporters you're talking about) here: it's just asking how they're feeling at this time, we do this because my boss tells me people care more about the emotional aspect rather than the factual information provided by authorities...I'm told I feel this way too.  Find your local sheriff/police department Facebook and/or Twitter if you want real evacuation or safety information.  News people are too busy finding "real people" with emotional reactions and can't be bothered to pass on facts.
 
2013-04-18 04:00:23 AM
Hmmm.  Either you get to be a hero if you survive or an hero if you die.
 
2013-04-18 04:05:39 AM

eventhelosers: /If the world would listen I could make it a better place one fark post at a time


Or, if you're actually serious and not trying to be funny, you're going to get people killed by doing what you say. Of course, it's always a good idea to wade into a HAZMAT zone with no protection or communication because you "want to help", right?

Never mind that there are hundreds of TRAINED people there right now, and a second tank is possibly going to explode.

eventhelosers: I ignore control freaks.  They never want to take responsibility for their actions, if the dog gammed leaders in charge are so smart where is their contingency plan, and why wasn't this avoided in the first place.


Wow. I have no words for this.

You ignore people who know more about the situation than you, and pretend to think that it's the fault of the people there trying to keep more people from being killed that the explosion occurred in the first place?

eventhelosers: On the other hand, if there are just way to many f*cking people there helping already, find a way to help further out of the way.


Either you're stupid, or you lack the ability to read with comprehension. That's what people have said. Contact your local red cross chapter. Consider donating blood in the next few days - they don't need it now, and if they do they'll announce on the news, but they WILL need blood donated to replenish their depleted stocks.

eventhelosers: I'm sure hospitals around are accepting blood, food and shelter areas need to be set up.


See aforementioned post. Unless you're with the red cross, or contacted by them to volunteer at a shelter, don't arbitrarily show up. They will not put you to work there unless you've been vetted and oriented by them before the event.

eventhelosers: Anyway I got a horse show to run gotta go.


If you're trying to be funny, you suck at it. If you're actually being serious, bravo. You've out-stupided people who have trolled FARK for years.
 
2013-04-18 04:08:19 AM
Tuned into the local news earlier and took a look at the scene. It's a complete clusterfark last time I checked, so this PSA doesn't surprise me. And if you're some idiot who likes to make vertical videos of potentially explosive fires with your daughter present, please go check yourself in to the nearest I'm-A-Stupendous-Dumbass Rehab Center.
 
2013-04-18 04:08:54 AM

WhyteRaven74: Paris1127: What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?

The components for fertilizer, just as explosive.


The people that show up without proper gear are exposing themselves to those chemicals. This is the first news I have seen of this.
Damn.
 
2013-04-18 04:14:16 AM

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?


This. And people will argue with the sheriff, fire commander, cops, and other authority figures on scene because they think THEY know how to run an emergency scene because they saw this one episode of CSI and it was totally not like what the cops are trying to do.
 
2013-04-18 04:17:51 AM

hardinparamedic: eventhelosers: /If the world would listen I could make it a better place one fark post at a time

Or, if you're actually serious and not trying to be funny, you're going to get people killed by doing what you say. Of course, it's always a good idea to wade into a HAZMAT zone with no protection or communication because you "want to help", right?

Never mind that there are hundreds of TRAINED people there right now, and a second tank is possibly going to explode.

eventhelosers: I ignore control freaks.  They never want to take responsibility for their actions, if the dog gammed leaders in charge are so smart where is their contingency plan, and why wasn't this avoided in the first place.

Wow. I have no words for this.

You ignore people who know more about the situation than you, and pretend to think that it's the fault of the people there trying to keep more people from being killed that the explosion occurred in the first place?

eventhelosers: On the other hand, if there are just way to many f*cking people there helping already, find a way to help further out of the way.

Either you're stupid, or you lack the ability to read with comprehension. That's what people have said. Contact your local red cross chapter. Consider donating blood in the next few days - they don't need it now, and if they do they'll announce on the news, but they WILL need blood donated to replenish their depleted stocks.

eventhelosers: I'm sure hospitals around are accepting blood, food and shelter areas need to be set up.

See aforementioned post. Unless you're with the red cross, or contacted by them to volunteer at a shelter, don't arbitrarily show up. They will not put you to work there unless you've been vetted and oriented by them before the event.

eventhelosers: Anyway I got a horse show to run gotta go.

If you're trying to be funny, you suck at it. If you're actually being serious, bravo. You've out-stupided people who have trolled FARK for years.


If he's trolling, he's a retard. If he's serious, it's because of idiots like this that they want people to stay the f*ck away from the disaster scene please. They don't need more fools like this who want to tell EMS personnel with a combined experience of 900 centuries what to do.
 
2013-04-18 04:19:04 AM

Jabberwookiee: Tuned into the local news earlier and took a look at the scene. It's a complete clusterfark last time I checked, so this PSA doesn't surprise me. And if you're some idiot who likes to make vertical videos of potentially explosive fires with your daughter present, please go check yourself in to the nearest I'm-A-Stupendous-Dumbass Rehab C


And the guy's daughter pays for his mistake with her hearing.

However, not everyone knows of the risks of being even that far from a fertilizer fire.  For most other fires, that would have been a safe distance.
 
2013-04-18 04:20:44 AM

Confabulat: Mutt Farkinov: (deleted: Personal attacks/namecalling; I understand, but dont compound it please)

Fair enough, admin, please allow me to rephrase.  Confabulat, a guy I've known and worked with for 13 years lost his brother tonight in that explosion.  He was a firefighter just there doing his job.  I'm sure it was standard Fark trolling that you were doing.  I hope that you are blessed with a long life and that you are surrounded all the way into old age by family and kids and grandchildren.  I'd be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that people in West, TX haven't drawn your ire in any specific way and that yours was just a moment of derp while trying to be edgy and cool.  I've no doubt that all those who read your posts now will recognize you for the thoughtful philanthropist you are.

All the best,

Mutt

What did I do to insult your friend's brother? Making fun of small-town Texas?

Buddy, my family is lifetime Floridians and I'm proud to carry the torch. Yet look at me here on Fark.com.

I apologize for vaguely insulting the brother of your friend or co-worker or whatever in some minor way. Deep in the heart of Texas!



This is your post I quoted before being intercepted by admin:

Let's face it, that is probably one of the worst places to live in the USA. It'll be hard to miss.

My original response wasn't classy, I'll give admin that.  However, to throw your hands in the air and affect an attitude of, "Woah, what'd I say?" is a bit late, now.  My frend's brother died trying to protect a nursing home and the rest of his community.  Google if you feel inclined to call BS.  Your insult wasn't vague--it was pointed at a small community of people and meant to mock those often considered the butt of jokes on the interwebz and Fark.  Having been born and lived in Florida for many years, knowing many decent people from there, i posit that your Florida card is negated.  Your modicum of an apology, however, is appreciated--this being Fark after all, I'll admit it was more than many would offer.

/olive branch
 
2013-04-18 04:20:54 AM
New vid of explosion from another brave/dumb soul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJgZsVyvzVI
 
2013-04-18 04:22:44 AM

eventhelosers: iGNORE THIS PSA

I ignore control freaks.  They never want to take responsibility for their actions, if the dog gammed leaders in charge are so smart where is their contingency plan, blah blah...


This looks like bad advice.
 
2013-04-18 04:25:40 AM
I'll tell you all one thing: I have NEVER seen an entire parcel of land ***EXPLODE*** like that before!!

I mean, motherFARKer! The guy who recorded that has got a story to show his grandkids one day.
 
2013-04-18 04:26:59 AM

Myria: However, not everyone knows of the risks of being even that far from a fertilizer fire. For most other fires, that would have been a safe distance.


I blame our education system here. Maybe if we had better physics teachers. But then again, 6 + 6 + 6 = 666 and the only letters I need to know are U, S, and A because Jebus.

/concatenation is fun
 
2013-04-18 04:31:49 AM
Whoops, sowwy.
 
2013-04-18 04:39:17 AM
Some insolent farkers, in their "presumed position of authority," even though they are not at the scene, get off on telling other farkers to stay away. It feeds their air of self-importance on an anonymous message board.
 
2013-04-18 04:43:12 AM

Mutt Farkinov: Your insult wasn't vague--it was pointed at a small community of people and meant to mock those often considered the butt of jokes on the interwebz and Fark.


Yeah. I've lived and grown in up Alabama and various Florida cities. I'm not a child; I don't get upset if I read some negative stereotype about my community; usually they make me laugh.

So boo hoo. Grow up. People really are suffering tonight and I promise you my cutting-edge comments about small-town Texas didn't contribute to any of them. Sheesh.
 
2013-04-18 04:44:59 AM

Friction8r: Some insolent farkers, in their "presumed position of authority," even though they are not at the scene, get off on telling other farkers to stay away. It feeds their air of self-importance on an anonymous message board.


Actually, it was Texas Department of Public Safety and Texas Law Enforcement that said that. But I'm sure you, random internet person who posts on an "anonymous" message board with an air of self-importance, know better than experts in their field.
 
2013-04-18 04:49:35 AM
*kitten cuddles Confabulat*

I don't have any words to ease your loss. :(
 
2013-04-18 04:54:27 AM
Just be glad the search for cheap labor puts places like this in remote rural areas
 
2013-04-18 04:59:48 AM

Kittypie070: *kitten cuddles Confabulat*

I don't have any words to ease your loss. :(


Aw, thanks. The hardest part is people don't understand.

/ducks
 
2013-04-18 05:05:41 AM

Yamaneko2: Uakronkid: HotWingAgenda: I'm starting to get a little nervous about being in one of the few parts of the country that has not had a major catastrophic event in the last 6 months.  It's like being the last cow in line at the slaughterhouse and seeing all the other cows go down in front of you.

I live in Ohio. Nothing happens here. No major weather events, no earthquakes, no industrial disasters, not interesting enough for terrorists. We're boring enough that fate might just forget about us and skip us by.

The people of Xenia, Ohio may want to have a word with you.


I lived in Xenia for a couple of years until I could convince my girlfriend to move and marry me. I knew a guy there who had been injured in the '74 tornado, there was another just after I left that tore the Walmart up pretty bad.

Pretty much just an armpit of a town - nothing to do but eat and screw there. Or as I like to describe it, the place is so bad that God has tried to remove the damn place -twice-, but some idiot keeps putting it back up!
 
2013-04-18 05:07:40 AM

hardinparamedic: Friction8r: Some insolent farkers, in their "presumed position of authority," even though they are not at the scene, get off on telling other farkers to stay away. It feeds their air of self-importance on an anonymous message board.

Actually, it was Texas Department of Public Safety and Texas Law Enforcement that said that. But I'm sure you, random internet person who posts on an "anonymous" message board with an air of self-importance, know better than experts in their field.


My comment was in no way directed toward you, as you don't strike me as an insolent farker. It does seem prudent for trained first responders to not have to deal with untrained and disjointed volunteers in such a crisis.
 
2013-04-18 05:17:35 AM

2xhelix: But what if I'm part of an emergency looting crew?


"OH look! Targets!"
 
2013-04-18 05:20:10 AM

Friction8r: My comment was in no way directed toward you, as you don't strike me as an insolent farker. It does seem prudent for trained first responders to not have to deal with untrained and disjointed volunteers in such a crisis.


Ah. My apologizes, then. By all means, Carry on.
 
2013-04-18 05:21:15 AM

Myria: You know, Kim Jong Un could be getting pissed at being thrown off the news by two terrorist attacks and an industrial accident.  That's one way in which this week could get worse...


Frak Un
 
2013-04-18 05:27:21 AM

hardinparamedic: eventhelosers: /If the world would listen I could make it a better place one fark post at a time

Or, if you're actually serious and not trying to be funny, you're going to get people killed by doing what you say. Of course, it's always a good idea to wade into a HAZMAT zone with no protection or communication because you "want to help", right?

Never mind that there are hundreds of TRAINED people there right now, and a second tank is possibly going to explode.

eventhelosers: I ignore control freaks.  They never want to take responsibility for their actions, if the dog gammed leaders in charge are so smart where is their contingency plan, and why wasn't this avoided in the first place.

Wow. I have no words for this.

You ignore people who know more about the situation than you, and pretend to think that it's the fault of the people there trying to keep more people from being killed that the explosion occurred in the first place?

eventhelosers: On the other hand, if there are just way to many f*cking people there helping already, find a way to help further out of the way.

Either you're stupid, or you lack the ability to read with comprehension. That's what people have said. Contact your local red cross chapter. Consider donating blood in the next few days - they don't need it now, and if they do they'll announce on the news, but they WILL need blood donated to replenish their depleted stocks.

eventhelosers: I'm sure hospitals around are accepting blood, food and shelter areas need to be set up.

See aforementioned post. Unless you're with the red cross, or contacted by them to volunteer at a shelter, don't arbitrarily show up. They will not put you to work there unless you've been vetted and oriented by them before the event.

eventhelosers: Anyway I got a horse show to run gotta go.

If you're trying to be funny, you suck at it. If you're actually being serious, bravo. You've out-stupided people who have trolled FARK for years.


It was subtle, but it was a dig at Bush's FEMA director, Michael D. Brown, and his previous position as "the Judges and Stewards Commissioner for the International Arabian Horse Association."
 
2013-04-18 05:27:42 AM

HotWingAgenda: Mutt Farkinov: Can't say who I'm with organizationally on public media, but I'm a FF/medic close by.

I'm now imagining an undercover paramedic slinking around in back alleys in a trenchcoat.


"Pssst.   Hey, pal...you want a tracheotomy?"
 
2013-04-18 06:14:38 AM
How confusing. They named a town "West" TX but put it in the East half of the state????
 
2013-04-18 06:16:08 AM

links136: Uakronkid: hardinparamedic: Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

It's sad. Sad that they died. Sad that they ran in there not knowing what they were dealing with.

I still can't get over the apparent fact that the firefighters didn't understand the danger of a massive explosion. If they did, they would have held back and focused on setting up a perimeter and evac.

In fact, growing up in a town the same size, I knew some of the volunteer firefighters of the town.  They fought a single fire, a bush on fire in a big puddle.


Sounds like it might have been the Abrahamic God.
 
2013-04-18 06:29:16 AM

Friction8r: Some insolent farkers, in their "presumed position of authority," even though they are not at the scene, get off on telling other farkers to stay away. It feeds their air of self-importance on an anonymous message board.


I'm pretty sure "insolent Farker" is redundant :)
 
2013-04-18 06:30:14 AM
I've decided there needs to be a separate word, "helpy", for people who insist on giving much help, that ends up being the opposite of actually helpful.
 
2013-04-18 06:33:08 AM
They should establish a rally point nearby for all the great folks willing to help, advertise the location, have them sign in, provide credentials, sign waivers and be on standby until the emergency response coordinators call for assistance.

While they all mill about smartly, roll in the Bloodmobiles.
 
2013-04-18 07:05:44 AM

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


Text or email.
 
2013-04-18 07:19:31 AM

Voice of Chaos: They should establish a rally point nearby for all the great folks willing to help, advertise the location, have them sign in, provide credentials, sign waivers and be on standby until the emergency response coordinators call for assistance.

While they all mill about smartly, roll in the Bloodmobiles.


If I didn't know that "Bloodmobiles" aren't nearly as hardcore as they sound, I would assume this was a pitch for a new and exceedingly dangerous reality show.

/would watch
//but only in secret
 
2013-04-18 07:20:21 AM
Has the Westboro Baptist Church emitted any mouth droppings yet?

Yikes, even the Klan hates them.

http://listverse.com/2013/04/18/10-insane-facts-about-the-westboro-b ap tist-church/
 
2013-04-18 07:21:45 AM
WUT? There's no glory in being the second responder.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 07:26:59 AM
 
2013-04-18 07:36:01 AM

1ceTr0n: New vid of explosion from another brave/dumb soul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJgZsVyvzVI


If you single-step the frames, you see another flash off to the far left out of view before the main explosion to the right. I might almost say "flashover" but there's already a fire at the main explosion epicenter so that ain't it.

Probably more like a shock detonation, the first explosion sets off the second, like a blasting cap sets off dynamite.

This can happen near-instantly, even if the two blasts are a long distance apart, if there is underground power conduit and piping linking the two distant locations. Shock fronts can travel along the pipes much faster than above ground.

There is such a thing as explosion proof electrical conduit, but it may not have been used here. The wave front in such an unstable situation may be able to travel through water supply and sewer pipes too, since it's the shock force being propagated rather than a flame.
 
2013-04-18 07:38:18 AM
Lots of drone attacks this week.
 
2013-04-18 07:40:57 AM
Where's Alexander Haig when we need him?
 
2013-04-18 07:42:42 AM

dryknife: Where's Alexander Haig when we need him?


He's off masturbating to the pictures of dead Afghani babies.
 
2013-04-18 07:57:33 AM

markie_farkie: If you're close, go donate blood first thing in the morning.


Can't stress this enough.

hardinparamedic: Including five firefighters and 2 EMS workers, their station was flattened in the blast and the Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.


Volunteer department too I'm sure. Hits very close to home.
 
2013-04-18 08:05:07 AM
How many times do we have to remind people not to deep-fry a frozen turkey?
 
2013-04-18 08:25:25 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: markie_farkie: If you're close, go donate blood first thing in the morning.

Can't stress this enough.

hardinparamedic: Including five firefighters and 2 EMS workers, their station was flattened in the blast and the Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

Volunteer department too I'm sure. Hits very close to home.


Man. I only came in this thread hoping to see you post. Glad you're ok.
 
2013-04-18 08:28:00 AM

theBigBigEye: I'll tell you all one thing: I have NEVER seen an entire parcel of land ***EXPLODE*** like that before!!

I mean, motherFARKer! The guy who recorded that has got a story to show his grandkids one day.


I would hope that he would be too embarassed about being such an idiot as to park there and watch that, especially with his kid. I know it looked far away, but I have a hard time understanding how anyone who lives in any kind of rural/ag area would not know that that place was a HUGE explosion waiting to happen.

Maybe if he was a citified asshole (my inner redneck is showing, can you see it?) who just happened to be passing through...

Then again he seems to have wasted no time spreading his vid far and wide, so I think embarassment is out.
 
2013-04-18 08:58:05 AM

Friction8r: Some insolent farkers, in their "presumed position of authority," even though they are not at the scene, get off on telling other farkers to stay away. It feeds their air of self-importance on an anonymous message board.


Those bastards are just lucky that I'm in Pennsylvania, or by gummit, I'd have to mosey on down there.
 
2013-04-18 09:21:13 AM

DoctorCal: Man. I only came in this thread hoping to see you post. Glad you're ok


I'm about 3 hours NW of West. They have solid mutual aid from Waco and surrounding communities and since it's been declared a crime scene, they are now getting state and federal assistance. As much as we would like to get down there and assist, we'd be more in the way than anything.

Thanks though. Through all of the bullshiat that goes on here, Fark is for the most part a tight community and this is what has kept me around for 10 years.
 
2013-04-18 09:41:50 AM
Another complication is that much of I-35 is torn up and undergoing construction through most of Central and South Texas. A lot of the interstate has been squeezed into narrow 2-lane highways with Jersey barriers on either side, several exits are closed or re-routed. Traffic on I-35's a mess already, so adding more vehicle traffic is not a good idea. Stay home, donate blood or whatever the local charities need to help these people out.

The explosion at the Murrah building (Oklahoma City bombing) was just one small rental truck's worth of fertilizer bomb. West got hit with an entire factory full of the stuff.
 
2013-04-18 09:44:28 AM
 
2013-04-18 09:45:45 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Paris1127: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Paris1127: What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?

Anhydrous ammonia and nitrates for oxidizing. Probably some hydrogen sulfides on site. All that stuff goes into fertilizer.

A little bit of chemistry knowledge means that that place is a literally a bomb. Growing up in a farm area means you learn really damn fast what's dangerous in agriculture.

I was just commenting on the two blasts' similarities. I know fertilizer and explosives share some ingredients.

The scary thing is this plant is pretty close to the Oklahoma City blast.


I lived one mile away from the Ryder Truck rental that Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh got their truck from.  They built their diesel and ammonium nitrate fertilizer bomb at the same lake a few miles away I used to go to.  Ft. Riley was on lock-down when they brought in the feds during the investigation.  It looked like we were under siege.  That was scary.
 
2013-04-18 09:51:59 AM
Wow, the only two people on my ignore list now are both Floridiots.  Kinda sad.
 
2013-04-18 09:54:55 AM

Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.


Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

I write Spill Prevention, Control and Countermeasures plans for industrial facilities, among other things. My company has about 1000 clients. About 30% of them have enough petroleum storage capacity that federal law requires them to have an SPCC. About 10% actually have them. A lot of facilities just aren't willing to lay out the money to get it done. I expect things work very much the same way with ERPs. "Ah, we'll just call 911 and run outside, what's the big deal?"
 
2013-04-18 10:03:39 AM

Deathfrogg: dryknife: Where's Alexander Haig when we need him?

He's off masturbating to the pictures of dead Afghani babies.


Don't hold back, man. Tell us how you really feel.
 
2013-04-18 10:11:42 AM
hahaha, this is like what happens when reddit tries to research the boston bombing.
 
2013-04-18 10:16:35 AM

gglibertine: Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.

Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

I write Spill Prevention, Control and Countermeasures plans for industrial facilities, among other things. My company has about 1000 clients. About 30% of them have enough petroleum storage capacity that federal law requires them to have an SPCC. About 10% actually have them. A lot of facilities just aren't willing to lay out the money to get it done. I expect things work very much the same way with ERPs. "Ah, we'll just call 911 and run outside, what's the big deal?"


I work for an engineering consultant designing and constructing a Phosphine plant right now. Half my colleagues are on site.  The ERP is incredible.  Explosion-proof coveralls  when you go on "the dark side", extensive safety training and check in procedures, QA and HSEC guys crawling everywhere.  And when the plant "flares" (they lose control of a reaction and burn off the byproducts in a huge flare stack) it's still scary as shiat, no matter what they say about harmless.  That's happened once when I was there.

I'm not doing anything interesting, just designing sewers and a couple of emergency containment ponds.  But it's the first pond design where I've had to factor in "what happens if the pond is on fire?"

Chemical plants are scary.
 
2013-04-18 10:17:45 AM

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?


Calling in first would go a long way.  But once they have a grip on their resources and personnel, they're gonna need all the help they can get.  That's a big ol' mess, it is.
 
2013-04-18 10:26:17 AM

gglibertine: Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.

Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.



Unfortunately, some companies would rather just pay the fine repeatedly than fix the problem. It's cheaper that way. Until, of course, this happens.
 
2013-04-18 10:43:27 AM

gglibertine: Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.

Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

I write Spill Prevention, Control and Countermeasures plans for industrial facilities, among other things. My company has about 1000 clients. About 30% of them have enough petroleum storage capacity that federal law requires them to have an SPCC. About 10% actually have them. A lot of facilities just aren't willing to lay out the money to get it done. I expect things work very much the same way with ERPs. "Ah, we'll just call 911 and run outside, what's the big deal?"


I've seen this first hand, and I've seen some that have half ass attempts at them that pretty much consist of that, but in a written document. I've also ended up having to re-do them and send them out for engineering approval. SPCC, ERP, FRP, SWPPP, the whole works. Fun stuff.

/Your company need help?
 
2013-04-18 10:44:26 AM
hardinparamedic:

If you're still around do you have any info on where the FD guys were? Had they arrived on doing initial assessment or had they backed out yet? Please don't tell me they were on attack...
 
2013-04-18 10:46:37 AM

gglibertine: Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.


You might be surprised at what we small town guys are aware of and how we train. It's not as extensive as paid departments by any stretch but we get our hours.
 
2013-04-18 10:46:59 AM
Kudos to whoever is responsible for the headline for getting the name of the city correct. I keep seeing it misspelled as "Waco."
 
2013-04-18 10:52:56 AM

Uncle Pooky: Kudos to whoever is responsible for the headline for getting the name of the city correct. I keep seeing it misspelled as "Waco."


I'm sure it's entirely accidental.
 
2013-04-18 11:04:47 AM

Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!


I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:40 PM
What
A
C
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Out

OK, ok, it's not Waco...

Watching
Explosion
Shaking
Texans
 
2013-04-18 12:37:23 PM

darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.


If he didn't re-paint the ceiling, you only get half credit for it, though. Or a rental TV unit - bonus points if he can drown that puppy.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:36 PM

MisterTweak: darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.


If he didn't re-paint the ceiling, you only get half credit for it, though. Or a rental TV unit - bonus points if he can drown that puppy.


I'm imagining spewages of blood that would make George Romero blow chunks.
 
2013-04-18 03:22:16 PM

Kittypie070: Anyone who disses Texas for the next three months is gonna get a free complimentary cockpunch from little bitty ol' me.


Confabulat: Let's face it, that is probably one of the worst places to live in the USA. It'll be hard to miss.


Kittypie070: *kitten cuddles Confabulat*

I don't have any words to ease your loss. :(



Quite the cockpunch, that.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:28 PM

Kittypie070: MisterTweak: darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.

If he didn't re-paint the ceiling, you only get half credit for it, though. Or a rental TV unit - bonus points if he can drown that puppy.

I'm imagining spewages of blood that would make George Romero blow chunks.


I did have to change my socks.
 
2013-04-18 04:10:48 PM

buzzcut73: I've seen this first hand, and I've seen some that have half ass attempts at them that pretty much consist of that, but in a written document. I've also ended up having to re-do them and send them out for engineering approval. SPCC, ERP, FRP, SWPPP, the whole works. Fun stuff.

/Your company need help?


If you're a P.E. with stormwater experience, hell yes. If you have solid experience writing these documents, maybe. I could sure use some competent help, and the other writer we have now is a hot mess.

/EIP
 
2013-04-18 04:14:52 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: gglibertine: Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

You might be surprised at what we small town guys are aware of and how we train. It's not as extensive as paid departments by any stretch but we get our hours.


I didn't say anything about the training of the first responders. I was talking about the facility itself not having an adequate ERP. I know a longtime volunteer firefighter/EMT, and I've heard some awful stories about what happens when first responders aren't given critical information about potentially hazardous materials.
 
2013-04-18 04:30:08 PM

gglibertine: I didn't say anything about the training of the first responders. I was talking about the facility itself not having an adequate ERP. I know a longtime volunteer firefighter/EMT, and I've heard some awful stories about what happens when first responders aren't given critical information about potentially hazardous materials.


I can't speak for the West VFD but I know on our little (about 20...15 active) department, we tour business once a year to see the who what where etc...I would hope that they had some situational awareness but you never know. However, even after 17 years on, I still need to remind myself to slow down and think before diving headlong into an incident.  The bigger the scene for us little departments the more amped we can get and the greater the risk of farking up...
 
2013-04-18 05:05:30 PM
Are the kolachkes OK?
 
2013-04-18 05:07:55 PM

darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.


YUCK!!!
I had a GI bleed arrest do the same thing...  Of course I didn't put on a mask (never really do during arrests) and got his coffee grounds IN MY MOUTH and EYES.
 
2013-04-18 10:19:11 PM

MplsMedic: darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.

YUCK!!!
I had a GI bleed arrest do the same thing...  Of course I didn't put on a mask (never really do during arrests) and got his coffee grounds IN MY MOUTH and EYES.


People mock me for wearing my truly ugly safety goggles, but damned if they didn't save me that time.

I always have a mask too. I don't want what my average patient has.
 
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