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(Fark)   Texas Department of Public Safety and Texas Rangers are asking anyone who is self-dispatching to help at the West, TX explosion DO NOT DO SO. They have too many responders without any chain of control at this time   (fark.com) divider line 193
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2013-04-18 06:33:08 AM  
They should establish a rally point nearby for all the great folks willing to help, advertise the location, have them sign in, provide credentials, sign waivers and be on standby until the emergency response coordinators call for assistance.

While they all mill about smartly, roll in the Bloodmobiles.
 
2013-04-18 07:05:44 AM  

RavenOnyx: My husband's family lives in West. We have not been able to contact anyone. I'm so worried :(


Text or email.
 
2013-04-18 07:19:31 AM  

Voice of Chaos: They should establish a rally point nearby for all the great folks willing to help, advertise the location, have them sign in, provide credentials, sign waivers and be on standby until the emergency response coordinators call for assistance.

While they all mill about smartly, roll in the Bloodmobiles.


If I didn't know that "Bloodmobiles" aren't nearly as hardcore as they sound, I would assume this was a pitch for a new and exceedingly dangerous reality show.

/would watch
//but only in secret
 
2013-04-18 07:20:21 AM  
Has the Westboro Baptist Church emitted any mouth droppings yet?

Yikes, even the Klan hates them.

http://listverse.com/2013/04/18/10-insane-facts-about-the-westboro-b ap tist-church/
 
2013-04-18 07:21:45 AM  
WUT? There's no glory in being the second responder.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-18 07:26:59 AM  
 
2013-04-18 07:36:01 AM  

1ceTr0n: New vid of explosion from another brave/dumb soul

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJgZsVyvzVI


If you single-step the frames, you see another flash off to the far left out of view before the main explosion to the right. I might almost say "flashover" but there's already a fire at the main explosion epicenter so that ain't it.

Probably more like a shock detonation, the first explosion sets off the second, like a blasting cap sets off dynamite.

This can happen near-instantly, even if the two blasts are a long distance apart, if there is underground power conduit and piping linking the two distant locations. Shock fronts can travel along the pipes much faster than above ground.

There is such a thing as explosion proof electrical conduit, but it may not have been used here. The wave front in such an unstable situation may be able to travel through water supply and sewer pipes too, since it's the shock force being propagated rather than a flame.
 
2013-04-18 07:38:18 AM  
Lots of drone attacks this week.
 
2013-04-18 07:40:57 AM  
Where's Alexander Haig when we need him?
 
2013-04-18 07:42:42 AM  

dryknife: Where's Alexander Haig when we need him?


He's off masturbating to the pictures of dead Afghani babies.
 
2013-04-18 07:57:33 AM  

markie_farkie: If you're close, go donate blood first thing in the morning.


Can't stress this enough.

hardinparamedic: Including five firefighters and 2 EMS workers, their station was flattened in the blast and the Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.


Volunteer department too I'm sure. Hits very close to home.
 
2013-04-18 08:05:07 AM  
How many times do we have to remind people not to deep-fry a frozen turkey?
 
2013-04-18 08:25:25 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: markie_farkie: If you're close, go donate blood first thing in the morning.

Can't stress this enough.

hardinparamedic: Including five firefighters and 2 EMS workers, their station was flattened in the blast and the Firefighters were working a fire on scene at the plant.

Volunteer department too I'm sure. Hits very close to home.


Man. I only came in this thread hoping to see you post. Glad you're ok.
 
2013-04-18 08:28:00 AM  

theBigBigEye: I'll tell you all one thing: I have NEVER seen an entire parcel of land ***EXPLODE*** like that before!!

I mean, motherFARKer! The guy who recorded that has got a story to show his grandkids one day.


I would hope that he would be too embarassed about being such an idiot as to park there and watch that, especially with his kid. I know it looked far away, but I have a hard time understanding how anyone who lives in any kind of rural/ag area would not know that that place was a HUGE explosion waiting to happen.

Maybe if he was a citified asshole (my inner redneck is showing, can you see it?) who just happened to be passing through...

Then again he seems to have wasted no time spreading his vid far and wide, so I think embarassment is out.
 
2013-04-18 08:58:05 AM  

Friction8r: Some insolent farkers, in their "presumed position of authority," even though they are not at the scene, get off on telling other farkers to stay away. It feeds their air of self-importance on an anonymous message board.


Those bastards are just lucky that I'm in Pennsylvania, or by gummit, I'd have to mosey on down there.
 
2013-04-18 09:21:13 AM  

DoctorCal: Man. I only came in this thread hoping to see you post. Glad you're ok


I'm about 3 hours NW of West. They have solid mutual aid from Waco and surrounding communities and since it's been declared a crime scene, they are now getting state and federal assistance. As much as we would like to get down there and assist, we'd be more in the way than anything.

Thanks though. Through all of the bullshiat that goes on here, Fark is for the most part a tight community and this is what has kept me around for 10 years.
 
2013-04-18 09:41:50 AM  
Another complication is that much of I-35 is torn up and undergoing construction through most of Central and South Texas. A lot of the interstate has been squeezed into narrow 2-lane highways with Jersey barriers on either side, several exits are closed or re-routed. Traffic on I-35's a mess already, so adding more vehicle traffic is not a good idea. Stay home, donate blood or whatever the local charities need to help these people out.

The explosion at the Murrah building (Oklahoma City bombing) was just one small rental truck's worth of fertilizer bomb. West got hit with an entire factory full of the stuff.
 
2013-04-18 09:44:28 AM  
 
2013-04-18 09:45:45 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Paris1127: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Paris1127: What were they storing in this place, rocket fuel?

Anhydrous ammonia and nitrates for oxidizing. Probably some hydrogen sulfides on site. All that stuff goes into fertilizer.

A little bit of chemistry knowledge means that that place is a literally a bomb. Growing up in a farm area means you learn really damn fast what's dangerous in agriculture.

I was just commenting on the two blasts' similarities. I know fertilizer and explosives share some ingredients.

The scary thing is this plant is pretty close to the Oklahoma City blast.


I lived one mile away from the Ryder Truck rental that Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh got their truck from.  They built their diesel and ammonium nitrate fertilizer bomb at the same lake a few miles away I used to go to.  Ft. Riley was on lock-down when they brought in the feds during the investigation.  It looked like we were under siege.  That was scary.
 
2013-04-18 09:51:59 AM  
Wow, the only two people on my ignore list now are both Floridiots.  Kinda sad.
 
2013-04-18 09:54:55 AM  

Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.


Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

I write Spill Prevention, Control and Countermeasures plans for industrial facilities, among other things. My company has about 1000 clients. About 30% of them have enough petroleum storage capacity that federal law requires them to have an SPCC. About 10% actually have them. A lot of facilities just aren't willing to lay out the money to get it done. I expect things work very much the same way with ERPs. "Ah, we'll just call 911 and run outside, what's the big deal?"
 
2013-04-18 10:03:39 AM  

Deathfrogg: dryknife: Where's Alexander Haig when we need him?

He's off masturbating to the pictures of dead Afghani babies.


Don't hold back, man. Tell us how you really feel.
 
2013-04-18 10:11:42 AM  
hahaha, this is like what happens when reddit tries to research the boston bombing.
 
2013-04-18 10:16:35 AM  

gglibertine: Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.

Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

I write Spill Prevention, Control and Countermeasures plans for industrial facilities, among other things. My company has about 1000 clients. About 30% of them have enough petroleum storage capacity that federal law requires them to have an SPCC. About 10% actually have them. A lot of facilities just aren't willing to lay out the money to get it done. I expect things work very much the same way with ERPs. "Ah, we'll just call 911 and run outside, what's the big deal?"


I work for an engineering consultant designing and constructing a Phosphine plant right now. Half my colleagues are on site.  The ERP is incredible.  Explosion-proof coveralls  when you go on "the dark side", extensive safety training and check in procedures, QA and HSEC guys crawling everywhere.  And when the plant "flares" (they lose control of a reaction and burn off the byproducts in a huge flare stack) it's still scary as shiat, no matter what they say about harmless.  That's happened once when I was there.

I'm not doing anything interesting, just designing sewers and a couple of emergency containment ponds.  But it's the first pond design where I've had to factor in "what happens if the pond is on fire?"

Chemical plants are scary.
 
2013-04-18 10:17:45 AM  

Frederick: Theres such a thing as too much help?  Wouldnt it make more sense to arrive and stand by out of the way?  Or is the thought process that people dont know what "out of the way" is?


Calling in first would go a long way.  But once they have a grip on their resources and personnel, they're gonna need all the help they can get.  That's a big ol' mess, it is.
 
2013-04-18 10:26:17 AM  

gglibertine: Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.

Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.



Unfortunately, some companies would rather just pay the fine repeatedly than fix the problem. It's cheaper that way. Until, of course, this happens.
 
2013-04-18 10:43:27 AM  

gglibertine: Hrist: These things have very well planned out emergency procedures, including amount of responders.  These plans take into account potential risk to the responders, traffic flow, material, staffing, evacuation routes, etc.

Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

I write Spill Prevention, Control and Countermeasures plans for industrial facilities, among other things. My company has about 1000 clients. About 30% of them have enough petroleum storage capacity that federal law requires them to have an SPCC. About 10% actually have them. A lot of facilities just aren't willing to lay out the money to get it done. I expect things work very much the same way with ERPs. "Ah, we'll just call 911 and run outside, what's the big deal?"


I've seen this first hand, and I've seen some that have half ass attempts at them that pretty much consist of that, but in a written document. I've also ended up having to re-do them and send them out for engineering approval. SPCC, ERP, FRP, SWPPP, the whole works. Fun stuff.

/Your company need help?
 
2013-04-18 10:44:26 AM  
hardinparamedic:

If you're still around do you have any info on where the FD guys were? Had they arrived on doing initial assessment or had they backed out yet? Please don't tell me they were on attack...
 
2013-04-18 10:46:37 AM  

gglibertine: Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.


You might be surprised at what we small town guys are aware of and how we train. It's not as extensive as paid departments by any stretch but we get our hours.
 
2013-04-18 10:46:59 AM  
Kudos to whoever is responsible for the headline for getting the name of the city correct. I keep seeing it misspelled as "Waco."
 
2013-04-18 10:52:56 AM  

Uncle Pooky: Kudos to whoever is responsible for the headline for getting the name of the city correct. I keep seeing it misspelled as "Waco."


I'm sure it's entirely accidental.
 
2013-04-18 11:04:47 AM  

Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!


I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.
 
2013-04-18 12:04:40 PM  
What
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OK, ok, it's not Waco...

Watching
Explosion
Shaking
Texans
 
2013-04-18 12:37:23 PM  

darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.


If he didn't re-paint the ceiling, you only get half credit for it, though. Or a rental TV unit - bonus points if he can drown that puppy.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:36 PM  

MisterTweak: darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.


If he didn't re-paint the ceiling, you only get half credit for it, though. Or a rental TV unit - bonus points if he can drown that puppy.


I'm imagining spewages of blood that would make George Romero blow chunks.
 
2013-04-18 03:22:16 PM  

Kittypie070: Anyone who disses Texas for the next three months is gonna get a free complimentary cockpunch from little bitty ol' me.


Confabulat: Let's face it, that is probably one of the worst places to live in the USA. It'll be hard to miss.


Kittypie070: *kitten cuddles Confabulat*

I don't have any words to ease your loss. :(



Quite the cockpunch, that.
 
2013-04-18 03:34:28 PM  

Kittypie070: MisterTweak: darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.

If he didn't re-paint the ceiling, you only get half credit for it, though. Or a rental TV unit - bonus points if he can drown that puppy.

I'm imagining spewages of blood that would make George Romero blow chunks.


I did have to change my socks.
 
2013-04-18 04:10:48 PM  

buzzcut73: I've seen this first hand, and I've seen some that have half ass attempts at them that pretty much consist of that, but in a written document. I've also ended up having to re-do them and send them out for engineering approval. SPCC, ERP, FRP, SWPPP, the whole works. Fun stuff.

/Your company need help?


If you're a P.E. with stormwater experience, hell yes. If you have solid experience writing these documents, maybe. I could sure use some competent help, and the other writer we have now is a hot mess.

/EIP
 
2013-04-18 04:14:52 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: gglibertine: Actually, this place was apparently fined a while back for not having an emergency response plan in place... which may explain why the first responders (who were volunteers) didn't realize the danger of what they were dealing with.

You might be surprised at what we small town guys are aware of and how we train. It's not as extensive as paid departments by any stretch but we get our hours.


I didn't say anything about the training of the first responders. I was talking about the facility itself not having an adequate ERP. I know a longtime volunteer firefighter/EMT, and I've heard some awful stories about what happens when first responders aren't given critical information about potentially hazardous materials.
 
2013-04-18 04:30:08 PM  

gglibertine: I didn't say anything about the training of the first responders. I was talking about the facility itself not having an adequate ERP. I know a longtime volunteer firefighter/EMT, and I've heard some awful stories about what happens when first responders aren't given critical information about potentially hazardous materials.


I can't speak for the West VFD but I know on our little (about 20...15 active) department, we tour business once a year to see the who what where etc...I would hope that they had some situational awareness but you never know. However, even after 17 years on, I still need to remind myself to slow down and think before diving headlong into an incident.  The bigger the scene for us little departments the more amped we can get and the greater the risk of farking up...
 
2013-04-18 05:05:30 PM  
Are the kolachkes OK?
 
2013-04-18 05:07:55 PM  

darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.


YUCK!!!
I had a GI bleed arrest do the same thing...  Of course I didn't put on a mask (never really do during arrests) and got his coffee grounds IN MY MOUTH and EYES.
 
2013-04-18 10:19:11 PM  

MplsMedic: darknys: Mutt Farkinov: hardinparamedic: redsquid: And somehow, even though you guys get plenty of gross stuff on you also, paramedics in uniform don't gross me out like folks in scrubs. I know it's all psychlogical, but that's the way it is.

You've never lived until you've had your vomit baptism.

I can also tell you from doing mouth to mouth what partially digested Spagetti-Os and Vodak tastes like.

Headed on a call. You guys hold down the fort. *salute*

P.S. Vomit baptism didn't hold a candle to my first, "Diverticulitis passing blood clots."  Everyone enjoy your upcoming meals!

I'll see that and raise you intubating a cirrhotic GI bleeder in the MICU after the MICU fellow had already found the esophagus twice and blown up the stomach.

Absolutely volcanic.

/anesthesiologist.

YUCK!!!
I had a GI bleed arrest do the same thing...  Of course I didn't put on a mask (never really do during arrests) and got his coffee grounds IN MY MOUTH and EYES.


People mock me for wearing my truly ugly safety goggles, but damned if they didn't save me that time.

I always have a mask too. I don't want what my average patient has.
 
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