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2013-04-18 01:56:38 AM  

kim jong-un: Girion47: Wow...That was amazing.

As a safety professional I am completely enthralled by this video.  I guarantee the fire is a result of either A) someone not following safety policy or B) Safety policy written by someone in the pocket of the corporation.


Noone wants to farking listen to the safety guy, ever.   And then shiat like this happens and guess who's responsible.


/Listen to your farking safety guy, we don't make this shiat up, we get paid to anticipate situations like this and try to avoid, yeah we might slow you down...it's for a reason.

No way are you a real safety guy.  A real safety guy wouldn't guarantee anything without verification.  ;-)   (Actually come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a safety guy guarantee anything period!)


>>>>>B) Safety policy written by someone in the pocket of the corporation.

Because, as the CEO of a major corporation, I wouldn't care about safety, interrupted production, lawsuits and lost profits in the slightest. No, I would solely be worried about the relatively paltry sum of the safety department's salaries and the restrictions they placed on stupid-ass behavior.  Also, I would be a pyromaniac and enjoy fires and explosions.

You, sir, are an idiot.
 
2013-04-18 01:56:54 AM  
At first I was like "Meh, that doesn't seem all that close"

And then I was like "WHAT THE FARK"
 
2013-04-18 02:00:46 AM  
Google Map of the area

You'll be interested to note where the video was shot from
 
2013-04-18 02:05:05 AM  
Yeah that was a pretty damn impressive explosion.
 
2013-04-18 02:07:03 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: kim jong-un: Girion47: Wow...That was amazing.

As a safety professional I am completely enthralled by this video.  I guarantee the fire is a result of either A) someone not following safety policy or B) Safety policy written by someone in the pocket of the corporation.


Noone wants to farking listen to the safety guy, ever.   And then shiat like this happens and guess who's responsible.


/Listen to your farking safety guy, we don't make this shiat up, we get paid to anticipate situations like this and try to avoid, yeah we might slow you down...it's for a reason.

No way are you a real safety guy.  A real safety guy wouldn't guarantee anything without verification.  ;-)   (Actually come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a safety guy guarantee anything period!)

>>>>>B) Safety policy written by someone in the pocket of the corporation.

Because, as the CEO of a major corporation, I wouldn't care about safety, interrupted production, lawsuits and lost profits in the slightest. No, I would solely be worried about the relatively paltry sum of the safety department's salaries and the restrictions they placed on stupid-ass behavior.  Also, I would be a pyromaniac and enjoy fires and explosions.

You, sir, are an idiot.


I'm an idiot?   Because I've gone for jobs, and experienced clients that took the stance that safety would sign on to the corporate stance or else be fired?

Yet another farking troll.

fark you too, safety can create a huge liability for the management above it regarding willful violations of safety regulations.  You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, so STFU, and GTFO.
 
2013-04-18 02:07:44 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: WOW.

Dang.

Hope they're OK.

Frame-by-frame of that video would be interesting.



YTD Video Downloader>>>Get the video>>>Frame step in Media Player Classic. The stills here do NOT do it justice.
 
2013-04-18 02:08:03 AM  

tuna fingers: Since you "This"ed this, you are now open to ridicule. You two are idiots for suggesting that he didn't know that this was a fertilizer plant. It probably provides jobs for 3/4s of the town. And my assumption was that he was on his own expansive property. Look where that fence line is. Way off from the road. That ain't a muni road.


Since you said people are open to ridicule, you're open to ridicule. The assumption that your assumptions are fact is the hallmark of idiocy. If you think that fence line means they can't be a "muni road," you've clearly never been to a small town.

In other words, you are the verifiable idiot. See "Dunning Kruger effect."
 
2013-04-18 02:10:52 AM  
Son of a holy freakin hellgod. I had the volume muted and I still shipped my pants.
 
2013-04-18 02:11:16 AM  

Girion47: 'm an idiot? Because I've gone for jobs, and experienced clients that took the stance that safety would sign on to the corporate stance or else be fired?

Yet another farking troll.


I have him favorited as "liar." Which means he probably thinks things like OSHA and the EPA are stupid because no business would ever skimp on safety because it wouldn't be profitable.

1000s of actual examples showing otherwise be damned.
 
2013-04-18 02:11:25 AM  

EchoMike: They're going to need to come up with another name for their annual fireworks display.


Would anyone be surprised if they just flat-out cancelled the annual fireworks? The people of West may not want more explosions, even pretty ones, for a while after this. (July isn't that far off.)

/The PTSD alone...
 
2013-04-18 02:15:36 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Well, it IS TexASS, so it probably is his wife AND daughter.

/amidoitrite, lefties?



Yes.  She gave birth to herself.
 
2013-04-18 02:18:43 AM  

Ivo Shandor: CliChe Guevara: texas city disaster, 581 dead, 8500 wounded

I was just looking at that on Wikipedia. It happened on April 16, 1947. What the fark is it with this week?


Lincoln shot April 14 1865
Great San Francisco Earthquake April 18 1906
Titanic sinking April 14 1912
Texas City, TX explosion April 16 1947
1974 Super Tornado Outbreak (2nd worst in US history) April 3-4 1974
Branch Davidian siege ends in Waco, TX April 19 1993
Oklahoma City bombing April 19 1995
2011 Tornado Outbreak (worst in US history), April 25-28 2011
Boston Marathon attack April 15 2013
West, TX explosion April 17 2013

And with my birthday on the 14th and income tax day on the 15th, it makes me one cursed dude.  :(
 
2013-04-18 02:18:44 AM  
Seriously?

Nobody.

Not one goddamn one of you.

Fine.... I'll do it:

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-04-18 02:19:56 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Because, as the CEO of a major corporation, I wouldn't care about safety, interrupted production, lawsuits and lost profits in the slightest. No, I would solely be worried about the relatively paltry sum of the safety department's salaries and the restrictions they placed on stupid-ass behavior.  Also, I would be a pyromaniac and enjoy fires and explosions.



When a job takes four hours to complete when following proper safety procedures (or two and a half hours with certain "I shouldn't tell you this" shortcuts), and the CEO is regularly reminding people of his policy to fire anyone who averages fewer than three jobs per day, yes, the CEO absolutely does contribute to the decrease in safety.
 
2013-04-18 02:20:54 AM  

kim jong-un: Did he know it was a fertilizer plant?


Everyone in my old home town knows where the fertiliser plant is (and it's got more than 25x the number of people than this place).  Everyone, regardless of where they live.  It's the kind of thing you know about if you have one, for precisely this kind of reason.

"Our" one is in the suburbs.  There are literally houses across the road from the thing.  And a school three blocks away.

/Yeah I don't know what they were thinking, either
 
2013-04-18 02:21:04 AM  

impaler: See "Dunning Kruger effect."



I'm not too worried about it

www.hollywoodreporter.com
 
2013-04-18 02:23:01 AM  
This dumbass Brit CNN anchor that's awake to report on this stuff (god forbid someone wake up Anderson Cooper) is making American journalists look brilliant.
 
2013-04-18 02:27:21 AM  
So rather than beat up dad I thought I'd take a look in Google street view, Bing birds eye view and Google earth.  Here's my take.  A pre-explosion framegrav view that is clear
farm9.staticflickr.com
matches up to this street view fairly well.
farm9.staticflickr.com
The red box is close to the video frame and the red circle is my guess on his vehicles approximate location.
It is probably fair to guess that he zoomed in a little too.

Which then seems to put them around here in Google Earth
farm9.staticflickr.com

Which according to Google Earth View measures at ~950 feet from the center of the burning silo based on the red line.

But then I thought hey, that puts him right next to the middle school.  And since one of the side effects of adrenaline is constricted vocal cords aka higher voice it occurred to me that instead of endangering his daughter perhaps he was sayyyyyyy picking her up from an after school event.  I know I had some that went to 8 P.M.

Or for that matter he thought, we must be safe at the school, they have rules about these things.  I just don't assume he was cruising for a good photo op.

Now as to the inverted camera, I try take a few things in mind.  A) He plugged in his charging cable in the beginning so he may have been movement limited.  B) He was probably shooting to show family and friends initially and probably on the phone itself so he wouldn't care and it would look fine on the phone.  C)  He probably didn't give it any thought, that's just the way he holds his phone.

And as someone said earlier,  3X4 really?  And I'll add, hmmm why at this point can youtube not tell it is a flipped aspect video and remove the widescreen bars at top and bottom?
 
2013-04-18 02:32:26 AM  

VvonderJesus: Google Map of the area

You'll be interested to note where the video was shot from


Well shiat

//Angry fist, yada
 
2013-04-18 02:36:47 AM  

Myria: kim jong-un: (Actually come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen a safety guy guarantee anything period!)

If life had guarantees, we wouldn't need safety people.

By the way, how do you like being kicked off the American news by three major events in one week?


Needed some way to cash those checks other than my ass...
 
2013-04-18 02:37:10 AM  

berylman: Can even 200 kilograms of ammonium nitrate do that? This will take some armchair expertise beyond Fark.


200 thousand pounds of ammonium nitrate....that's a bit more than 200 kilos
/big farking boom
 
2013-04-18 02:41:05 AM  

VvonderJesus: Google Map of the area

You'll be interested to note where the video was shot from


Looks like estimates in this thread of about 900 feet were spot on.  The main force of the blast must have gone west and northwest; if it had gone southwest, the pickup and the people within would have been obliterated and we wouldn't be watching this video.
 
2013-04-18 02:44:07 AM  
The video made me jump...twice!

The dad on the other hand, made me want to smack the shiat out of him for even bringing a kid NEAR an explosion, much less a fire! WHAT THE fark WAS HE THINKING? Oh wait, nevermind...
 
2013-04-18 02:44:18 AM  

AFKobel: universebetween: kim jong-un: AFKobel: That is the most insane cell phone footage I've seen in quite some time.

I think I would have been guilty of not being able to imagine that could happen from that distance.

Yeah same here.  He seemed to be pretty far back.

if you can see it you are too close.

Until this video I really didn't understand the power of fertilizer explosions.  I suppose the pictures of the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing should have taught me that lesson.

This video has opened my eyes.


Me too. We do not have places like that around where I live. I would not have known any better. Even knowing what happened in Oklahoma I assumed that the fertilizer was not a major part of what made that bombs so lethal. I guess I was a bit dumb about that. Can't imagine Oklahoma now that I saw this!
 
2013-04-18 02:45:17 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Because, as the CEO of a major corporation, I wouldn't care about safety, interrupted production, lawsuits and lost profits in the slightest. No, I would solely be worried about the relatively paltry sum of the safety department's salaries and the restrictions they placed on stupid-ass behavior.  Also, I would be a pyromaniac and enjoy fires and explosions.


Yup, never happen, not ever, not ever in a million, billion years.

/but I do agree we found an idiot, but not the one you are looking for.
 
2013-04-18 02:48:16 AM  

fst_creeper: So rather than beat up dad I thought I'd take a look in Google street view, Bing birds eye view and Google earth.  Here's my take.  A pre-explosion framegrav view that is clear
[farm9.staticflickr.com image 217x359]
matches up to this street view fairly well.
[farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x401]
The red box is close to the video frame and the red circle is my guess on his vehicles approximate location.
It is probably fair to guess that he zoomed in a little too.

Which then seems to put them around here in Google Earth
[farm9.staticflickr.com image 285x500]

Which according to Google Earth View measures at ~950 feet from the center of the burning silo based on the red line.

But then I thought hey, that puts him right next to the middle school.  And since one of the side effects of adrenaline is constricted vocal cords aka higher voice it occurred to me that instead of endangering his daughter perhaps he was sayyyyyyy picking her up from an after school event.  I know I had some that went to 8 P.M.

Or for that matter he thought, we must be safe at the school, they have rules about these things.  I just don't assume he was cruising for a good photo op.

Now as to the inverted camera, I try take a few things in mind.  A) He plugged in his charging cable in the beginning so he may have been movement limited.  B) He was probably shooting to show family and friends initially and probably on the phone itself so he wouldn't care and it would look fine on the phone.  C)  He probably didn't give it any thought, that's just the way he holds his phone.

And as someone said earlier,  3X4 really?  And I'll add, hmmm why at this point can youtube not tell it is a flipped aspect video and remove the widescreen bars at top and bottom?



Thank you for this. Sane and reasonable.  Been through West several times.  The bakery and convenience store there on I35 sells a lot of good kolaches and kolache-like baked goods.  Very tasty.  West is south of Waco.
 
2013-04-18 02:49:54 AM  
In the video it looked like something (debris?) came towards the camera very fast.  But in the frame-by-frame in the thread, it isn't there.... trick of the eye?
 
2013-04-18 02:51:16 AM  

mafiageek1980: The video made me jump...twice!

The dad on the other hand, made me want to smack the shiat out of him for even bringing a kid NEAR an explosion, much less a fire! WHAT THE fark WAS HE THINKING? Oh wait, nevermind...


Maybe the kid was at baseball practice, and the dad was picking them up from the school that's right there.
 
2013-04-18 02:52:47 AM  
I watched the video in frame step on MPC as suggested earlier in the thread, and looking at the frame stills posted here, I realize now that the part of the plant that you see on fire is NOT where the explosion came from.  Look at the left edge of the second frame still.  You can see the shockwave from the explosion which occurred to the left of the field of view of the camera.

All that you see here is secondary stuff.  The main explosion was off camera.  Wow.
 
2013-04-18 02:54:24 AM  

Uakronkid: mafiageek1980: The video made me jump...twice!

The dad on the other hand, made me want to smack the shiat out of him for even bringing a kid NEAR an explosion, much less a fire! WHAT THE fark WAS HE THINKING? Oh wait, nevermind...

Maybe the kid was at baseball practice, and the dad was picking them up from the school that's right there.


That still doesn't explain why he is filming the damn thing instead of just heading to a safer place, perhaps AWAY from the explosion
 
2013-04-18 02:56:04 AM  

SomeTexan: West is south North of Waco.

 
2013-04-18 02:59:22 AM  
Thank you for this. Sane and reasonable.  Been through West several times.  The bakery and convenience store there on I35 sells a lot of good kolaches and kolache-like baked goods.  Very tasty.  West is south of Waco.

Sorry, North, not south.

/Brain freeze.
 
2013-04-18 03:00:22 AM  
I wonder how many people were responding to that fire, unaware of the danger.

I thought process facilities like that had to have deluge sprinkler systems so that fires can't get that out of control, letting minor accidents turn into major disasters.
 
2013-04-18 03:01:27 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: This dude should have followed the 'thumb rule' - an old firefighter trick for when you roll up on something you are completely unprepared to handle (like say, a major chemical/fertilizer plant fire that is fully f**king engulfed.) You stick your left hand out the window of the fire truck, extend your thumb, fonzarelli style, and back the f**k up until the entire fire - from your eyes - is within your thumb. Then call for help. Even with a hazmat cert, this is the correct response for first responder guys - at least back in the day.


Thanks! I didn't know that!

/noted for future ref.
 
2013-04-18 03:01:34 AM  

theurge14: Ivo Shandor: CliChe Guevara: texas city disaster, 581 dead, 8500 wounded

I was just looking at that on Wikipedia. It happened on April 16, 1947. What the fark is it with this week?

Lincoln shot April 14 1865
Great San Francisco Earthquake April 18 1906
Titanic sinking April 14 1912
Texas City, TX explosion April 16 1947
1974 Super Tornado Outbreak (2nd worst in US history) April 3-4 1974
Branch Davidian siege ends in Waco, TX April 19 1993
Oklahoma City bombing April 19 1995
2011 Tornado Outbreak (worst in US history), April 25-28 2011
Boston Marathon attack April 15 2013
West, TX explosion April 17 2013

And with my birthday on the 14th and income tax day on the 15th, it makes me one cursed dude.  :(


You forgot:
www.columbine-online.com

and:
topnews.in

and:
secretaryclinton.files.wordpress.com

Also, this guy was born:
www.biography.com

Happy birthday to us!!!
 
2013-04-18 03:04:20 AM  
dust in the room is an understatement. i sobbed when i heard that little girl telling her dad to run,
 
2013-04-18 03:11:26 AM  

tuna fingers: Occam's Nailfile: tuna fingers: Occam's Nailfile: 
I would not have thought they were close enough to be harmed, either.  Turns out I don't know much about the potential blast radius from burning fertilizer plants.  This poor farker probably didn't either.  He might not have even known it was a fertilizer plant.

farksake!
He full well knew it was a fertilizer plant.  Do you have any clue as to how rural communities operate?

Do you have any clue where they live?  Who they are?  Whether they were next-door neighbors, visiting relatives?  Are you a farking wizard?

Yes, I do have clues as to where they live.  They live by a fertilizer plant dumbass.



It's not like West is the last stop on a dirt road.

West, Texas falls on I-35 which is the main highway between Dallas-Fort Worth and Austin (and further south, San Antonio). The plant is about ~2500 ft from the highway. West is also quite a popular pit stop due to the famous Czech bakeries.
 Without more info, it's quite reasonably possible these people weren't locals.
 
2013-04-18 03:14:47 AM  

fst_creeper: But then I thought hey, that puts him right next to the middle school.  And since one of the side effects of adrenaline is constricted vocal cords aka higher voice it occurred to me that instead of endangering his daughter perhaps he was sayyyyyyy picking her up from an after school event.  I know I had some that went to 8 P.M.



You mean the school that was within the evacuation zone? If he was picking the kid up, it's because the police told him to come get his kid and GTFO. If the school was already empty, then he either chose not to evacuate or he drove around a police barricade to enter the evacuation zone.
 
2013-04-18 03:15:27 AM  

nburghmatt: dust in the room is an understatement. i sobbed when i heard that little girl telling her dad to run,


askanatheist.tv

god what a bunch of weak pussies

/all baying for the father's blood, though, of course
 
2013-04-18 03:16:07 AM  
Glad they had all the windows down in his truck.  That would have blown them all out if any of them where up and they it could have been really bad news for them two.
 
2013-04-18 03:16:45 AM  

mafiageek1980: That still doesn't explain why he is filming the damn thing instead of just heading to a safer place, perhaps AWAY from the explosion


Because of a lot of personal history, I tend to assume if you are one a school board, school planning committee or a school district administration (at the decision making level) you are incompetent, corrupt and borderline mentally retarded.  But most people want to believe those people are smart, capable and therefore competent and therefore would never locate a school in a hazard zone.

What's really cool is what all was within 2000 feet of the plant according to Google Earth:
farm9.staticflickr.com
A West High School ~1800 ft
B West Middle School ~960 ft
C Rest home ~850 ft
D A god damn playground ~350 ft

And at 1300 feet , just off that image to the south of the nursing home is what is very optimistically labeled "West Community Hospital".  God help them it's the size of a average Medical Clinic around here.
 
2013-04-18 03:17:32 AM  
Next time I think about witnessing something interesting, I'm going to consult Fark first to see if I would be a complete moron for doing so. Because I hear their powers of foresight are incredible. Also, duh, doesn't everyone know what a fertilizer plant tools like?
 
2013-04-18 03:18:28 AM  
If that tank was holding 50,000 pounds of ammonia, that was a 25 ton blast.

I SAID, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A 25 TON BLAST
 
2013-04-18 03:19:07 AM  
Well, it is West Texas. What else is there to do than go down and watch a fire?
 
2013-04-18 03:20:02 AM  
Oh, I forgot Chernobyl, April 26, 1986.
 
2013-04-18 03:20:33 AM  
When I was a child I decided to put two BBs in my gun at once and shoot them down at a wooden board at my feet.  Well, the first BB hit the board and imbedded, the second one hit the first and bounced right back up.  I was still looking down the site of the gun so the BB came straight back at me.  It slowed and then hung in the air just shy of my nose, tinked against the bridge of my glasses, and fell harmlessly to the ground.  I learned to think more carefully before shooting my BB gun.  I am convinced there's an alternate universe out there where I have one less eye.

Point is we all do risky and even stupid things because we didn't properly consider all the risks at the time, looking back on it yeah, stay the fark away from fertilizer plants that have gone aflame, especially if you have small kids in the truck.  Luckily for the both of them it does appear that apart from tinnitus they made it out unhurt.
 
2013-04-18 03:22:03 AM  

StopLurkListen: Sigh. You people complaining about "vertical videos" ... Stahp. You're like those people from the early days of email where people were really serious about formatting and spelling and other trivial aspects. No one cares anymore. We shouldn't care here, because the more important question is,


WHY ARE 3x4 PROPORTIONS HARDCODED INTO PLAYER APPS?


Wrong. Idiots don't care. The rest of us realise than nearly all display technology is design to run in natively in landscape mode. That's why your TV has a 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio, and not the other way around, genius. Those of us with a brain and a TV or computer monitor would appreciate the standard and would like others to adhere to it.
 
2013-04-18 03:24:12 AM  

the ha ha guy: You mean the school that was within the evacuation zone? If he was picking the kid up, it's because the police told him to come get his kid and GTFO. If the school was already empty, then he either chose not to evacuate or he drove around a police barricade to enter the evacuation zone.


Assuming the evacuation zone was not established after the blast he recorded but before.

Just my take on the audio in the video but he had no idea of the danger until it hit.  Then he immediately checked on his kid.  I will give you that he fumbled a bit before we hear the sound of the truck pulling revving up and the video cuts off but he just took the blast wave from what I would guess is a ~1kt ground blast.  That rings the bell a bit.  The kids fight or flight instinct was just faster on the start.

I'm not saying there is no chance he is an idiot.  I'm just not leaping too it until we hear more.   I expect the networks will find him with that kind of footage.
 
2013-04-18 03:24:35 AM  
It makes me so angry and frustrated to think that there are parents out there rounding up their kid(s) to go and watch the local fire burn. fark this asshole and his self-important desire to capture something dangerous on video. If you have a kid or are watching a kid you don't get to indulge in such idiotic behaviors.
 
2013-04-18 03:25:24 AM  

LDM90: Next time I think about witnessing something interesting, I'm going to consult Fark first to see if I would be a complete moron for doing so. Because I hear their powers of foresight are incredible. Also, duh, doesn't everyone know what a fertilizer plant tools like?



If you have to cross a police line to get a good view, you're probably too close.

Also, chemical plants and their explosion risks really are common knowledge in most communities that have one, and a lot of companies even send out yearly 'what to do if shiat happens' pamphlets to those within an area that would be affected by something like this.
 
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