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(Columbus Dispatch)   Was an Ohio Catholic high school teacher of 19 years fired for a) poor performance, b) sex with her students, or c) listing her partner's name in her mother's obituary?   (dispatch.com) divider line 332
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2013-04-17 11:45:25 PM
It's hard to find outrage for this. You worked at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL. Did you not think that this would go against everything they've been preaching?

Does it suck? Yea, it totally does. But it's a private Christian school. I would've been more shocked if they actually let her keep her job without incident.
 
2013-04-17 11:48:38 PM
Just like Christ would have wanted it.

scottydoesntknow: It's hard to find outrage for this. You worked at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL. Did you not think that this would go against everything they've been preaching?

Does it suck? Yea, it totally does. But it's a private Christian school. I would've been more shocked if they actually let her keep her job without incident.


Yes, it's her fault Christians are bigots.
 
2013-04-17 11:52:32 PM

GAT_00: Yes, it's her fault Christians are bigots.


It's not her fault they're bigots. It is her fault for going to work for bigots, especially those that are bigoted against her.

She obviously hid it for a reason.
 
2013-04-18 12:01:00 AM
Wow, a lesbian physical education teacher at a Catholic school.

I thought they were mandatory.

I have absolutely no problem firing people for immorality or serious ethical lapses at work, but frankly the person who dropped the dime should mind their own business.
 
2013-04-18 12:01:26 AM
a nineteen year old catholic high school teacher? go on...
 
2013-04-18 12:04:16 AM

scottydoesntknow: GAT_00: Yes, it's her fault Christians are bigots.

It's not her fault they're bigots. It is her fault for going to work for bigots, especially those that are bigoted against her.

She obviously hid it for a reason.


Because she was all too likely to find non-bigoted Christians at other schools.
 
2013-04-18 12:58:11 AM

SpikeStrip: a nineteen year old catholic high school teacher? go on...


OF 19 years, not of 19 years old.
 
2013-04-18 01:02:33 AM
OK:

1)  She's gay and in a sexually active relationship with someone
2)  She's a practicing Methodist

That's not experience nor knowledge that is conducive towards being employed by a Catholic school, period.

So Sorry.  She was good for 19 years when she managed to to avoid the fight, but now that it's "out"?  She's out.  I wouldn't want a Methodist teaching my kids, either.

Go complain somewhere else.
 
2013-04-18 01:06:25 AM

feckingmorons: SpikeStrip: a nineteen year old catholic high school teacher? go on...

OF 19 years, not of 19 years old.


Oh wait, I see it was that movie you rented :)
 
2013-04-18 01:08:00 AM

Lsherm: OK:

1)  She's gay and in a sexually active relationship with someone
2)  She's a practicing Methodist

That's not experience nor knowledge that is conducive towards being employed by a Catholic school, period.

So Sorry.  She was good for 19 years when she managed to to avoid the fight, but now that it's "out"?  She's out.  I wouldn't want a Methodist teaching my kids, either.

Go complain somewhere else.


Look, I'm as Roman Catholic as they come, but she was a PE teacher, not a religion teacher. She wasn't screwing the kids, or running a betting pool from the locker room.

We don't know that she was not in a celibate relationship. Many parochial schools hire non-Catholic teachers.

We can't jump to conclusions.

I find the firing improper.
 
2013-04-18 02:46:41 AM

Lsherm: 1) She's gay and in a sexually active relationship with someone
2) She's a practicing Methodist

That's not experience nor knowledge that is conducive towards being employed by a Catholic school, period.


The catholic high school I went to had plenty of non-catholic teachers.  They gave more of a shiat about educating the kids than being religious in that respect.
There weren't any openly gay teachers, but I wouldn't have been surprised if that had led to some drama.  There also weren't any who were openly in unmarried sexual relationships.  I'd have expected that to get the same reaction as an openly gay couple.

There were openly gay students and nobody gave a rats ass.

/ Gym teacher, big walking lesbian stereotype.  Married to a dude and had a baby, fwiw.
 
2013-04-18 02:55:27 AM
you know what, as soon as I posted that CSB, I remembered my 7th grade math teacher.  He was gay, in the closet, and married to a woman.  He came out when I was in 9th grade, got a divorce, all of a sudden needed a higher paying job since he didn't have a beard to mooch off of any more, left for some consulting gig at IBM.  That was the way he told the story to students who asked why he left anyhow.

About 8 years later he came back to the school as their IT lackey, and I think was teaching a few classes.  So, either confirms his original story of quitting rather than being fired, or shows some progress on the administration's part.
 
2013-04-18 03:25:22 AM

scottydoesntknow: I would've been more shocked if they actually let her keep her job without incident.


My Catholic high school has employed a gay teacher, an English teacher, for over 30 years. Even when I was there, and i graduated 21 years ago, everyone knew he was gay, knew he lived with his partner. The school says not a word. There was another gay teacher,a religious studies teacher no less, when i was there and the female gym teacher was a lesbian. This was not something anyone didn't know, including the people who ran the school.
 
2013-04-18 03:40:28 AM
My HS principal smoked Virginia Slims and wore a beret, so I don't think he' d have had a problem with this lady.
 
2013-04-18 04:14:13 AM
In highschool, my girlfriends ex catholic primary school teacher let us use her house to have sex.

No that isn't very relevant, but I just now remembered that.
 
2013-04-18 05:29:49 AM
My cousin and her fiancé both taught at the same catholic high school and lived together in a house about 45 minutes away. In order to keep their jobs they had to pretend they weren't living together before marriage, apparently Jesus wasn't a fan of shacking up, or something.

Every day she'd leave early with the car and he'd catch a ride with another teacher, they also listed separate mailing addresses and kept up an elaborate ruse with their fellow employees. This went on for near 18 months, until she finally "moved in" with him after the wedding.
 
2013-04-18 06:47:18 AM
Oh fark and I thought I was already at the bottom .. there is more?!?! Ya gotta be farking kidding me!?
 
2013-04-18 06:49:10 AM

GAT_00: Yes, it's her fault Christians are bigots.


Well, it's her fault for, as an adult, voluntarily being a member of, and accepting employment with, a club with bigotry written explicitly into its mission statement, yes.
 
2013-04-18 06:49:36 AM
If someone where fired from a private school for being Catholic, I am sure there would be an army of people screaming about how Christians are being persecuted.
 
2013-04-18 06:51:53 AM
I went to a catholic school. Our gym teacher was female and as butchy as they come. When I read she married a guy, I figured they were each others beards.
 
2013-04-18 06:52:16 AM

scottydoesntknow: It's hard to find outrage for this. You worked at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL. Did you not think that this would go against everything they've been preaching?

Does it suck? Yea, it totally does. But it's a private Christian school. I would've been more shocked if they actually let her keep her job without incident.


Fun fact, in the province of Ontario, Canada, the Catholic School Board is publicly funded. I wonder if the same rules would apply? Just curious.
 
2013-04-18 06:52:22 AM
D: Almost to retirement age and they would have had to pay a pension.  SO they did the christian thing and fired them to save money.
 
2013-04-18 06:53:12 AM

GAT_00: Just like Christ would have wanted it.

scottydoesntknow: It's hard to find outrage for this. You worked at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL. Did you not think that this would go against everything they've been preaching?

Does it suck? Yea, it totally does. But it's a private Christian school. I would've been more shocked if they actually let her keep her job without incident.

Yes, it's her fault Christians are bigots.


It's truly disgusting to see clueless parents send their kids to Catholic school because they are supposedly "better" because they have some strict rules and make their students uniforms.

They are legitimizing this evil organization.

But you gotta please your invisible sky wizard or you won't get to see your loved ones in heaven.
 
2013-04-18 06:56:35 AM
 
2013-04-18 07:00:25 AM
You really think a Bible-believing Christian would be any more welcome at a GLBT organization? Why would you take a job where you know they don't want you? I don't see the problem.
 
2013-04-18 07:00:34 AM
Attendance at my mom's Catholic church is down over 50 percent since I was a kid.  Gee, I wonder why?
 
2013-04-18 07:00:53 AM
If that school takes a dime of public funds, she should sue their asses off.

Not that she'd win, but. . . .
 
2013-04-18 07:04:02 AM
Judging by the CSB's poste dhere it counts like the Catholic church has a don't ask/don't tell policy.

I suspect if I were gay I'd tell  both Catholics and Christians to go piss up a rope.
 
2013-04-18 07:04:32 AM

GAT_00: Yes, it's her fault Christians are bigots.


It's not bigotry, it's part of what constitutes unacceptable behavior under the church's guidelines.  But go ahead and try making someone who violated a contract appear as a victim.  If you don't like it, maybe take a job somewhere else.
 
2013-04-18 07:05:46 AM
Religious freedom not respected on Fark?

Shocking.
 
2013-04-18 07:07:25 AM

markfara: If that school takes a dime of public funds, she should sue their asses off.

Not that she'd win, but. . . .


How? Being gay is not a protected class. You can't sue anyone for being fired for being gay. I really hope that changes soon.
 
2013-04-18 07:09:36 AM

Ashlea: markfara: If that school takes a dime of public funds, she should sue their asses off.

Not that she'd win, but. . . .

How? Being gay is not a protected class. You can't sue anyone for being fired for being gay. I really hope that changes soon.


Well, that's why she wouldn't win. But if enough people who are discriminated against raise enough hell about it, things will change.
 
2013-04-18 07:10:04 AM
There is freedom and then there is being free.

A kiddy fiddler loses that argument, an honest open person doesn't.
 
2013-04-18 07:10:32 AM

scottydoesntknow: It's hard to find outrage for this. You worked at a CATHOLIC SCHOOL. Did you not think that this would go against everything they've been preaching?


You mean love, tolerance and acceptance, as Jesus preached?
 
2013-04-18 07:10:45 AM

Shirley Ujest: I went to a catholic school. Our gym teacher was female and as butchy as they come. When I read she married a guy, I figured they were each others beards.


Well technically he would be her merkin, but yes, that does sound like quite the lavender marriage.
 
2013-04-18 07:11:53 AM
Well the contract she SIGNED specifically mentions"" teachers can be terminated for "immorality" or "serious unethical conduct." and  now she wants to sue them ...good luck with that !
 
2013-04-18 07:13:53 AM

Lsherm: OK:

1)  She's gay and in a sexually active relationship with someone
2)  She's a practicing Methodist

That's not experience nor knowledge that is conducive towards being employed by a Catholic school, period.

So Sorry.  She was good for 19 years when she managed to to avoid the fight, but now that it's "out"?  She's out.  I wouldn't want a Methodist teaching my kids, either.

Go complain somewhere else.


1) She wasn't fired for being a Methodist.
2) She was fired for being gay.
3) Contrary to popular belief, being gay is not why Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, but for treating the poor like dirt as Jesus clarified in the New Testament.
4) Contrary to popular belief and much cherry picking, the Leviticus reference is much longer than once verse and is actually speaking about temple sex which was typically performed by two males or two females in the ancient world and devoted to false idols or for the purpose of direct sex magic/magik/magick (however you want to spell it)... try reading more of the chapter than one verse.

/Jesus wept.
 
2013-04-18 07:14:40 AM

Shirley Ujest: I went to a catholic school. Our gym teacher was female and as butchy as they come. When I read she married a guy, I figured they were each others beards.


I used to work with the world's most obviously lesbian PE teacher who was married to the world's most obviously gay drama teacher.
 
2013-04-18 07:14:40 AM
Idiot teacher is an idiot for not reading her contract more carefully before she signed. She gets the Asinine tag for being a teacher who can't read. Next story.
 
2013-04-18 07:14:45 AM

scottydoesntknow: It is her fault for going to work for bigots


We've pretty firmly established that by agreeing to employ people you also agree not to discriminate against protected classes. Sexual orientation is not a protected class in all jurisdictions (and presumably this occurred in such a place) but the general concept of not allowing employers be bigots with respect to their hiring practices has been well established over the past 50+ years.

It's fine and dandy to say "I won't support group/business/etc. X because of their bigotry", but history shows it's just not enough to change mainstream thinking. It might work for fringe groups, but if you have to make a choice between supporting bigotry and being unemployed it is difficult to take a principled stand, and most people do not.
 
2013-04-18 07:17:16 AM
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And in the grand tradition of PE teachers, Ms. Hale seemed to be same sex oriented.
 
2013-04-18 07:17:25 AM
I like when catholics claim the church doesn't really care if you're gay. That arrangement is only for the priests.
 
2013-04-18 07:17:30 AM

The Muthaship: Religious freedom not respected on Fark?


There is a difference between the right to believe things and the right to act on those beliefs. How do you feel about the religious freedom to fly aircraft into skyscrapers?
 
2013-04-18 07:19:49 AM
Hale, a practicing Methodist,

Apparently, employing someone who doesn't follow your rules when it comes to the manner of their worship is A-OK... but if an anonymous bigoted parent finds out you're a lesbian, you are out the door.
 
2013-04-18 07:20:17 AM

Ashlea: markfara: If that school takes a dime of public funds, she should sue their asses off.

Not that she'd win, but. . . .

How? Being gay is not a protected class. You can't sue anyone for being fired for being gay. I really hope that changes soon.


EEOC
/Short answer - depends on her state.
 
2013-04-18 07:20:43 AM

Ashlea: markfara: If that school takes a dime of public funds, she should sue their asses off.

Not that she'd win, but. . . .

How? Being gay is not a protected class. You can't sue anyone for being fired for being gay. I really hope that changes soon.


Ashlea, sexual orientation is a protected class in Colorado, where you seem to be.

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/DORA-DCR/CBON/DORA/125162936524 0

There may be a "ministerial exemption" that permits discrimination against gays in positions that involve teaching church doctrine. But a gym teacher would probably not fall under that.
 
2013-04-18 07:20:56 AM

cajunns: Well the contract she SIGNED specifically mentions"" teachers can be terminated for "immorality" or "serious unethical conduct." and  now she wants to sue them ...good luck with that !


Did the contract also list exactly what was meant by those terms? The civilised world does not view homosexual relationships as either immoral or seriously unethical. And if the school only wanted people who would accept all aspects of Catholic doctrine, why were they employing a Methodist?
 
2013-04-18 07:21:26 AM

orbister: The Muthaship: Religious freedom not respected on Fark?

There is a difference between the right to believe things and the right to act on those beliefs. How do you feel about the religious freedom to fly aircraft into skyscrapers?


I believe it violates no shortage of secular laws.
 
2013-04-18 07:21:52 AM

cajunns: Well the contract she SIGNED specifically mentions"" teachers can be terminated for "immorality" or "serious unethical conduct." and  now she wants to sue them ...good luck with that !


im·mor·al /iˈmôrəl/ Adjective 1. Not conforming to accepted standards of morality.

I don't know if you have looked around lately, but being gay is not exactly the "immoral" stigma it once was.

/not gay btw
 
2013-04-18 07:23:43 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: GAT_00: Yes, it's her fault Christians are bigots.

It's not bigotry, it's part of what constitutes unacceptable behavior under the church's guidelines.  But go ahead and try making someone who violated a contract appear as a victim.  If you don't like it, maybe take a job somewhere else.


It's illegal under federal law for even private, unfunded entities to make or enforce a contract that has racial conditions (except for affirmative action purposes). There's nothing but bigotry and inertia delaying the day that the freedom private institutions currently enjoy to discrimate on sexual orientation will be similarly eliminated. No doubt people used to claim religious freedom in their belief that races should be separate. Society decided that contract law cannot be abused to perpetuate that belief.
 
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