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(E! Online)   Dove's new ad campaign involves an FBI sketch artist and women crying about their looks. Sounds like a bachelorette party gone wrong   (eonline.com) divider line 78
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2013-04-18 09:14:29 AM  
Why isn't anyone pointing out the premise is entirely false, anyway?  The woman looks MUCH more like the picture she described of herself.  Even with the benefit of a skewed sketch artist, positive skewing from strangers, the woman is more identifiable in her self description, which is neither shocking.

What Dove really demonstrated is that at a glance, people just notice you're overall impression on them, but once you point out your own flaws THEY CAN NOT BE UNSEEN.
 
2013-04-18 09:27:58 AM  

Mitch Mitchell: I think that a sexy girl is one that is having fun no matter what she looks like.  I would hate to be in the presence of someone who only feels good by looking good.


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2013-04-18 09:34:35 AM  

HotWingAgenda: The women each gave the sketch artist detailed technical descriptions of their features.  The people they met couldn't remember those details, and therefore described them in more general impressions.  In fact, the women were specifically instructed to chat up the people they met, generating a more positive perception than if they hadn't introduced themselves or spoken.

Therefore, no blemishes or wrinkles, and smiles instead of neutral faces.  This bullshiat is why sociology is not a science.


I once got asked by a topless woman on a close friends cabin trip (i go to one each year) why I didn't notice the stretch marks her bras caused on her breasts.  My response was mflbribblehuh.  She'd have been better off asking after everyone got dressed.
 
2013-04-18 09:39:14 AM  

Ishkur: INeedAName: And yet the second pictures were far more accurate than the ones people gave about themselves.

The only person for which that was true was the long-haired blonde woman. The others, not so much.


Nah.  For a couple, reality was a mixture of both pictures.  But for most the second one was more accurate.
 
2013-04-18 09:48:31 AM  

cwolf20: HotWingAgenda: The women each gave the sketch artist detailed technical descriptions of their features.  The people they met couldn't remember those details, and therefore described them in more general impressions.  In fact, the women were specifically instructed to chat up the people they met, generating a more positive perception than if they hadn't introduced themselves or spoken.

Therefore, no blemishes or wrinkles, and smiles instead of neutral faces.  This bullshiat is why sociology is not a science.

I once got asked by a topless woman on a close friends cabin trip (i go to one each year) why I didn't notice the stretch marks her bras caused on her breasts.  My response was mflbribblehuh.  She'd have been better off asking after everyone got dressed.


I hope you remind her the best way to get rid of skin imprints is proper hydration, and physically stimulating blood flow back into the affected areas.
 
2013-04-18 09:50:00 AM  

Mr Guy: Why isn't anyone pointing out the premise is entirely false, anyway?  The woman looks MUCH more like the picture she described of herself.  Even with the benefit of a skewed sketch artist, positive skewing from strangers, the woman is more identifiable in her self description, which is neither shocking.

What Dove really demonstrated is that at a glance, people just notice you're overall impression on them, but once you point out your own flaws THEY CAN NOT BE UNSEEN.


Something tells me if some Farkers had been the strangers recruited to give a description, they'd have added horns, warts and a caption saying "girls are gross and mean!"
I think there is some b.s. to this ad, but what Dove inadvertently demonstrated is that there are some Farkers who  will still tear down women no matter what the evidence is, out of some weird need to.  Dove should do a campaign using them.
 
2013-04-18 09:54:12 AM  

precious_crotchflake: Mr Guy: Why isn't anyone pointing out the premise is entirely false, anyway?  The woman looks MUCH more like the picture she described of herself.  Even with the benefit of a skewed sketch artist, positive skewing from strangers, the woman is more identifiable in her self description, which is neither shocking.

What Dove really demonstrated is that at a glance, people just notice you're overall impression on them, but once you point out your own flaws THEY CAN NOT BE UNSEEN.

Something tells me if some Farkers had been the strangers recruited to give a description, they'd have added horns, warts and a caption saying "girls are gross and mean!"
I think there is some b.s. to this ad, but what Dove inadvertently demonstrated is that there are some Farkers who  will still tear down women no matter what the evidence is, out of some weird need to.  Dove should do a campaign using them.


I'm just not sure the message works, as they intended.  They are trying for a message of "You don't look like you think you do", but the truth is more obvious, "You DO look like that, just no one else CARES as long as you're relatively healthy".
 
2013-04-18 10:05:44 AM  
I am a guy, and it occurs to me that I don't think I could describe my face in enough detail for a sketch without a mirror.  Is that a guy thing, or am I just particularly unconcerned with my appearance?
 
2013-04-18 10:16:27 AM  

Mr Guy: cwolf20: HotWingAgenda: The women each gave the sketch artist detailed technical descriptions of their features.  The people they met couldn't remember those details, and therefore described them in more general impressions.  In fact, the women were specifically instructed to chat up the people they met, generating a more positive perception than if they hadn't introduced themselves or spoken.

Therefore, no blemishes or wrinkles, and smiles instead of neutral faces.  This bullshiat is why sociology is not a science.

I once got asked by a topless woman on a close friends cabin trip (i go to one each year) why I didn't notice the stretch marks her bras caused on her breasts.  My response was mflbribblehuh.  She'd have been better off asking after everyone got dressed.

I hope you remind her the best way to get rid of skin imprints is proper hydration, and physically stimulating blood flow back into the affected areas.


If I'd had that knowledge, I might have told her.  If she's blunt enough to ask the question,the discussion would have been interesting.  As it is, she's always been aware and not uncomfortable with me looking only at her in those situations.  I never try anything without consent.  Our group is close knit..

the only downside to once a year nightly nudity at a cabin is that our group is guys and gals.  Topless women, full nude men. In the pool.
 
2013-04-18 10:17:04 AM  

cwolf20: HotWingAgenda: The women each gave the sketch artist detailed technical descriptions of their features.  The people they met couldn't remember those details, and therefore described them in more general impressions.  In fact, the women were specifically instructed to chat up the people they met, generating a more positive perception than if they hadn't introduced themselves or spoken.

Therefore, no blemishes or wrinkles, and smiles instead of neutral faces.  This bullshiat is why sociology is not a science.

I once got asked by a topless woman on a close friends cabin trip (i go to one each year) why I didn't notice the stretch marks her bras caused on her breasts.  My response was mflbribblehuh.  She'd have been better off asking after everyone got dressed.


i have a really hard time saying anything while shaking my head from side to side, too.
 
2013-04-18 10:28:08 AM  

cwolf20: Mr Guy: cwolf20: HotWingAgenda: The women each gave the sketch artist detailed technical descriptions of their features.  The people they met couldn't remember those details, and therefore described them in more general impressions.  In fact, the women were specifically instructed to chat up the people they met, generating a more positive perception than if they hadn't introduced themselves or spoken.

Therefore, no blemishes or wrinkles, and smiles instead of neutral faces.  This bullshiat is why sociology is not a science.

I once got asked by a topless woman on a close friends cabin trip (i go to one each year) why I didn't notice the stretch marks her bras caused on her breasts.  My response was mflbribblehuh.  She'd have been better off asking after everyone got dressed.

I hope you remind her the best way to get rid of skin imprints is proper hydration, and physically stimulating blood flow back into the affected areas.

If I'd had that knowledge, I might have told her.  If she's blunt enough to ask the question,the discussion would have been interesting.  As it is, she's always been aware and not uncomfortable with me looking only at her in those situations.  I never try anything without consent.  Our group is close knit..

the only downside to once a year nightly nudity at a cabin is that our group is guys and gals.  Topless women, full nude men. In the pool.


I try to help.  I don't blame you for it not immediately occurring to you, your blood may have been otherwise prioritized.
 
2013-04-18 10:37:11 AM  

bonzeemer: marcre3363: I look like Brad Pitt after he ate George Clooney and a bucket of wings.


Sketch.......NOW!

[i965.photobucket.com image 834x1024]


Pretty much spot on. Bravo!
 
2013-04-18 10:44:44 AM  

karmachameleon: Dear Jerk: If your description of yourself includes a big ol' mole on your face and a stranger's description of you doesn't, whose description is likely more accurate?

The point is not that one is more accurate than the other, the point is about who is focusing on what.

We tend to be our own worst critics.  Other people do not tend to notice the "flaws" that we sometimes obsess about ourselves.  What is a flaw to us is just a normal, unremarkable feature to anyone else.

The point was not to conduct science, and those of you insisting on that aspect are missing the forest for the trees.  This, from someone deeply devoted to science.  That was not the point of this short film.


Genius, the point is to sell Dove products.

It's not about pointing to a higher Truth, or improving women's self esteem, or any of that.
Ads only exist to manipulate your emotions in a way that will last until you next go shopping.
See soaps in store. Feel warm and fuzzy at Dove. Buy Dove soap.
 
2013-04-18 10:46:16 AM  
Wait, does Dove sell soap or chocolate?
 
2013-04-18 11:00:21 AM  

E5bie: karmachameleon: Dear Jerk: If your description of yourself includes a big ol' mole on your face and a stranger's description of you doesn't, whose description is likely more accurate?

The point is not that one is more accurate than the other, the point is about who is focusing on what.

We tend to be our own worst critics.  Other people do not tend to notice the "flaws" that we sometimes obsess about ourselves.  What is a flaw to us is just a normal, unremarkable feature to anyone else.

The point was not to conduct science, and those of you insisting on that aspect are missing the forest for the trees.  This, from someone deeply devoted to science.  That was not the point of this short film.

Genius, the point is to sell Dove products.

It's not about pointing to a higher Truth, or improving women's self esteem, or any of that.
Ads only exist to manipulate your emotions in a way that will last until you next go shopping.
See soaps in store. Feel warm and fuzzy at Dove. Buy Dove soap.



Used to be "Oh, women feel ugly and want to cover themselves?  Here's a product for that!"

now it's "Oh, now natural beauty is the thing and women say they want to be seen as beautiful just the way they are?  No problem, we'll change our marketing accordingly!"

Dove:  you're OK just the way you are and please see our new array of anti aging deoderant.

Trends change, the rush to get a buck has not.

Still, I think most would take this over Juicy Couture ads any day.
 
2013-04-18 11:53:32 AM  
What I found remarkable was the fact that the artist did such a good job on the drawings. I went to art school ages ago. I've drawn portraits of friends and people sitting in public spaces and cannot fathom being able to get a decent resemblance based on a verbal description.

As for Dove, they have good products. I have no complaint about them. Their ad campaign is sensible and low key. "We like you as you are. By the way, we sell soap and stuff." instead of saying, "You'll never be loved unless you buy our stuff."

As for women and self esteem... women tear themselves down and then fark bulldozes the smoldering wreckage.
 
2013-04-18 12:59:17 PM  
Videos do not show up on that site for me. Whyyyy?

Can someone link the video? Thanks.
 
2013-04-18 01:03:07 PM  
ps: found it myself, but what is up with that site?

video is here
 
2013-04-18 01:16:25 PM  
I like the concept, but I bet there are some women who would describe themselves to be beautiful and their real sketch would look like 40 miles of bad road. Snooki for example.
 
2013-04-18 01:32:20 PM  

TedRaceway: I am a guy, and it occurs to me that I don't think I could describe my face in enough detail for a sketch without a mirror.  Is that a guy thing, or am I just particularly unconcerned with my appearance?


Nope. You're a guy. Your head his filled with ideas that will change the world or give you an advantage over your competitors, not this trivial nonsense.
 
2013-04-18 02:12:26 PM  

MidnightSnacks: Dove is owned by Unilever, owner of the Axe brand and its sexist advertisement campaigns.

Consume accordingly.


Agreed - I don't like the way Axe ads portray men either.
 
2013-04-18 04:03:07 PM  
Total crap, the guy made the solo one look a little sad and drew prettier, happier faces on the group one.
 
2013-04-18 06:41:07 PM  

E5bie: karmachameleon: Dear Jerk: If your description of yourself includes a big ol' mole on your face and a stranger's description of you doesn't, whose description is likely more accurate?

The point is not that one is more accurate than the other, the point is about who is focusing on what.

We tend to be our own worst critics.  Other people do not tend to notice the "flaws" that we sometimes obsess about ourselves.  What is a flaw to us is just a normal, unremarkable feature to anyone else.

The point was not to conduct science, and those of you insisting on that aspect are missing the forest for the trees.  This, from someone deeply devoted to science.  That was not the point of this short film.

Genius, the point is to sell Dove products.

It's not about pointing to a higher Truth, or improving women's self esteem, or any of that.
Ads only exist to manipulate your emotions in a way that will last until you next go shopping.
See soaps in store. Feel warm and fuzzy at Dove. Buy Dove soap.


Your cynicism is noted (and sometimes warranted).  It is, however, possible to practice commerce and humanity at the same time.  It would have been easier and cheaper for them to produce a standard commercial, and instead they produced this.  It could have been worse, and just because it's an ad, doesn't mean it doesn't have an important message.
 
2013-04-18 07:51:33 PM  
karmachameleon:
Your cynicism is noted (and sometimes warranted).  It is, however, possible to practice commerce and humanity at the same time.  It would have been easier and cheaper for them to produce a standard commercial, and instead they produced this.  It could have been worse, and just because it's an ad, doesn't mean it doesn't have an important message.

I agree with what you said all through this thread.
Used to work with a lady that didnt like the way she looked and talked about herself so harshly.  One day I said, "if you could see yourself through my eyes, you wouldn't say those things," and proceeded to tell her what I saw when I looked at her.
I thought she was going to cry and I didnt hear her talk like that anymore.

If only we saw ourselves the way others did.

/wasn't going to post in this thread.
//everything was just so negative
///Liked your posts though
 
2013-04-18 11:00:37 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: As for Dove, they have good products. I have no complaint about them. Their ad campaign is sensible and low key. "We like you as you are. By the way, we sell soap and stuff." instead of saying, "You'll never be loved unless you buy our stuff."


Another great point.  This is how most women's products are sold.  It is great that Dove is taking a different, far less cynical approach.

darthaegis: /wasn't going to post in this thread.
//everything was just so negative
///Liked your posts though


Thank you.  I have a teenage daughter and I see things a lot differently than I used to.  I've always "known" this point, but having a teenager in the house has really brought it from theory to reality.  She's farking beautiful, and it's a waste if she doesn't intuitively know that.
 
2013-04-19 01:21:53 AM  

darthaegis: One day I said, "if you could see yourself through my eyes, you wouldn't say those things," and proceeded to tell her what I saw when I looked at her.


And you were then fired and sued for creating a sexually charged workplace?
 
2013-04-19 01:55:04 AM  

bonzeemer: marcre3363: I look like Brad Pitt after he ate George Clooney and a bucket of wings.


Sketch.......NOW!

[i965.photobucket.com image 834x1024]


Followup: This photo just became my Facebook profile picture. It's already got three "Likes".

Which is weird, since I only have two friends.
 
2013-04-19 11:48:43 AM  
The mental image is more important than the immediate physical image.

Beauty is not what we see but how we perceive.

How someone looks is based on how we judge them, not the other way around.

Dove shampoo is better than Pantene.

I think you see my point.
 
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