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(Kansas.com)   If you're in a bad mood or show up late for an appointment in Kansas, that obviously means you're on drugs and therefore ineligible to for welfare. "The tests will not look for alcohol use"   (kansas.com) divider line 200
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2013-04-17 10:54:44 PM

cman: But the bill was swiftly approved by the House 106-16 and backed by the Senate on a 29-9 vote

All of it was partisanship

When one party has a supermajority stupid shiat like this happens.


... like Obamacare.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-17 10:55:22 PM
If I recall correctly Florida's law required all welfare recipients to be tested. Kansas' law tests based on suspicion of drug use. Proving Florida's law inefficient would not prove Kansas' law inefficient.
 
2013-04-17 10:57:02 PM

Somacandra: Unless the exact same rule applies to KS legislators showing up for "work," then its bullshiat. Make the lords play by the same rules the peasants have to....and watch what happens to the "rules."


I had to take a drug test to get my job, why shouldn't someone have to take one to take my money from me?
 
2013-04-17 10:57:46 PM

reitage: cman: But the bill was swiftly approved by the House 106-16 and backed by the Senate on a 29-9 vote

All of it was partisanship

When one party has a supermajority stupid shiat like this happens.

... like Obamacare.


58 is not a supermajority.  Thank you for playing.
 
2013-04-17 11:02:07 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Nadie_AZ: What about anger management issues? Or tobacco use? Or prescription medicine abuse? Or eating foods that are clearly unhealthy for you? Why does the Government care about some things we put in our bodies, but not others?

because by simply putting down "drugs" you automatically get Catholic supporters in droves.  cause they're against anything that's not wine


That is so not true. They are totally cool with beer. And my Catholic grandpa liked his whisky, albeit not straight. (He was an on the rocks kind of guy.) Alcohol is fine, and tasty, in moderation.

It's the fundamentalists you have to watch out for...
 
2013-04-17 11:02:39 PM
once again, let the kansas yahoos have their fun. their educated youth will leave and they will have no creative class whatsoever (most artsy fartsy folks tend to smoke on occasion or, for that matter, every damn day). more enlightened midwestern states, like iowa, will reap the benefits at their expense.

Let Kansas become a barren wasteland populated by a shrinking number of old, bitter, paranoid people clinging to their guns and backwards sheep-herder mythology. and then just give it all back to the kaw and pawnee

everyone wins. see?
 
2013-04-17 11:03:49 PM
meh, get disability instead and get off the states rolls and onto the federal money wagon.

hmmmm...why are we so broke??
 
2013-04-17 11:04:25 PM

RobertBruce: Or you're a "millenial" and think you're showing up for a job interview.


You sound are old and stupid.

/Talk about the legality regarding income tax again some time you dumb, worthless motherfarker.  Better yet.  Just eat a goddamned bullet.  I'll help if you can't afford one, asshole.
 
2013-04-17 11:06:08 PM

BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Or you're a "millenial" and think you're showing up for a job interview.

You sound are old and stupid.

/Talk about the legality regarding income tax again some time you dumb, worthless motherfarker.  Better yet.  Just eat a goddamned bullet.  I'll help if you can't afford one, asshole.


classy

NHLLH, etc etc etc
 
2013-04-17 11:06:16 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Nadie_AZ: What about anger management issues? Or tobacco use? Or prescription medicine abuse? Or eating foods that are clearly unhealthy for you? Why does the Government care about some things we put in our bodies, but not others?

because by simply putting down "drugs" you automatically get Catholic supporters in droves.  cause they're against anything that's not wine


or beer, or those little 10 year old sausages... I mean 10 pack of sausages
 
2013-04-17 11:06:35 PM
Yes, denying people their benefits and sending the to the streets will totally solve their drug problem. People on the streets never do drugs, and they NEVER commit crimes to support their drug habits.
 
2013-04-17 11:07:04 PM

titwrench: It sucks seeing nearly a third of my paycheck disappear each week to give these leeches drug money. fark em, let them die in the streets.


Since 12% of the budget goes to safety net programs and only a portion of the safety net programs go to unemployed people, they must be taking well more than 200% of your paycheck.

I'd expect it would cost quite a bit let them live on the streets and die. The costs of clean up alone, then again body disposal would be pretty steep.
 
2013-04-17 11:07:14 PM
I've never been on welfare or even unemployment in my life but people who dismiss everyone who has been as "lazy" need a swift kick in the dick.
 
2013-04-17 11:07:24 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: IgG4: Jon iz teh kewl: i'd like welfare, but i don't know what i'd do with my time if i'm not allowed to use drugs..  kratom??

[s3.amazonaws.com image 245x320]

aah vodak
love me some of that now


I drink it when I am on a health kick. And the rest of the time, too. Potato juice. Yum.
 
2013-04-17 11:07:37 PM

ZAZ: If I recall correctly Florida's law required all welfare recipients to be tested. Kansas' law tests based on suspicion of drug use. Proving Florida's law inefficient would not prove Kansas' law inefficient.


Except for the part in the article where the state flat out said it was going to cost $1 million in the first year after any savings on unpaid benefits are taken into account. Not a very good model of efficiency when you spend a million over what you save.

/If you believe that is a good deal, send me $10,000 and I'll tell you how to save $10.00.
 
2013-04-17 11:08:41 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Nadie_AZ: What about anger management issues? Or tobacco use? Or prescription medicine abuse? Or eating foods that are clearly unhealthy for you? Why does the Government care about some things we put in our bodies, but not others?

because by simply putting down "drugs" you automatically get Catholic supporters in droves.  cause they're against anything that's not wine

alcohol

we ain't all guinea wop dago bastards
 
2013-04-17 11:10:49 PM
Kansas, the state so shiatty even the city named after it decided it would rather be in Missouri.
 
2013-04-17 11:11:23 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No!"
 
2013-04-17 11:11:59 PM

Bloody William: Kansas, the state so shiatty even the city named after it decided it would rather be in Missouri.


Boring Shiathole, MO doesn't quite roll off the tongue
 
2013-04-17 11:12:36 PM

StopLurkListen: [25.media.tumblr.com image 400x320]

"I've been on food stamps and welfare, did anybody help me out? No!"


oh boy that Coach sure is dumb. Good one.
 
2013-04-17 11:12:38 PM

RobertBruce: Or you're a "millenial" and think you're showing up for a job interview.


I remember when people said that shiat about Gen-X.
 
2013-04-17 11:13:39 PM
As far as the alcohol testing goes... does anyone actually do EtG testing anymore?  I seem to recall that being under heavy fire for throwing a false positive for everything under the sun.
 
2013-04-17 11:14:08 PM
As a Kansan who is neither on drugs nor public assistance, and itching to buy a bigger house, I am sorely tempted to move out of state due to the idiots who run things here.

The rest of America should thank us, though. A lot of the nation's kooks are moving to Wichita, making life a little better for everybody not in the same state as Wichita.
 
2013-04-17 11:14:35 PM

DeaH: Yes, denying people their benefits and sending the to the streets will totally solve their drug problem. People on the streets never do drugs, and they NEVER commit crimes to support their drug habits.


So instead we should support their drug habit with tax dollars.
 
2013-04-17 11:14:42 PM

skullkrusher: oh boy that Coach sure is dumb. Good one.


He did finally figure out that they moved the headstones but not the bodies.
 
2013-04-17 11:15:26 PM

jdcgonzalez: vodak.I drink it when I am on a health kick.


lulz
 
2013-04-17 11:15:33 PM

Omahawg: once again, let the kansas yahoos have their fun. their educated youth will leave and they will have no creative class whatsoever (most artsy fartsy folks tend to smoke on occasion or, for that matter, every damn day). more enlightened midwestern states, like iowa, will reap the benefits at their expense.

Let Kansas become a barren wasteland populated by a shrinking number of old, bitter, paranoid people clinging to their guns and backwards sheep-herder mythology. and then just give it all back to the kaw and pawnee

everyone wins. see?


So what you're saying is the "artsy fartsy" folks that utilize welfare will leave, taking their lack of job skills having "creative class" with them, freeing up money for people in actual need but removing nothing of merit from the work force?
Yeah, that sure is a wasteland waiting to happen I tells ya.

/creative class... i lol'd
 
2013-04-17 11:17:11 PM

Rufus Lee King: tuna fingers: Rufus Lee King: White folks are not eligible for welfare, disability, or any other government program, no matter how bad the need.

Really. Try it sometime.

Really, you are wrong.
/Why do I respond to these idiots?

I'm not an idiot, my boy. I had a heart attack six months ago, and have been filling out disability forms over and over again the whole interim period.

What's the trouble? Why can't I get some temporary help?

My only conclusion is that's it's due to the color of my skin.

I don't dare raise Hell about it , though. That would be racist, and God knows we can't have THAT!


White Sharpton
 
2013-04-17 11:17:18 PM
Great, when do they start testing the Koch Brothers and all those Farmers receiving subsidies?
 
2013-04-17 11:17:23 PM
Doktor_Zhivago:

FTA "That could be triggered by a person's demeanor, missed appointments or police records."

AKA you're black now piss in this cup you farking druggie


Actually I've never been on any "welfare" program in Kansas but I can tell you that from my decades of experience with such city/county office bureaucracies in San Francisco CA, Baltimore MD and Lexington KY, as well as employees of the Social Security Administration in those cities as well as in Louisville, KY and Berkeley, CA, a lot of the workers in those offices are Black. And female to boot.

And there doesn't seem to be a racial pattern when workers "got tough" with me: Blacks were no more likely to do so than fellow Caucasians, and other whites sometimes seemed to be harder on me because I'm "a debit to (our) race."

What it usually boils down to, in my case and in the others I've seen while I'm there, is demeanor and dress: if you're clearly an asshole, if you're in an argumentative mood, if you're barely conscious or very jittery, or if you look/smell especially sloppy you'll get singled out.

On the other hand if you're clean, presentable, polite and cooperative then workers (of whatever race!) might even cut you a little bit of slack with a piece of paperwork or being late or whatever.

Consider that their job, which is always at least boring and tiresome, is to make things easier for you by giving you benefits, so the easier you make it for them to deal with you and process your case the more you're likely to get out of them. You don't have to bake cookies, just treat them with a little human respect.
 
2013-04-17 11:17:34 PM
Something something, not on drugs, just want a Pepsi.
 
2013-04-17 11:19:21 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Great, when do they start testing the Koch Brothers and all those Farmers receiving subsidies?


Well you can be on drugs and still not grow corn. Republicans don't have a problem with that.
 
2013-04-17 11:19:30 PM

randomjsa: DeaH: Yes, denying people their benefits and sending the to the streets will totally solve their drug problem. People on the streets never do drugs, and they NEVER commit crimes to support their drug habits.

So instead we should support their drug habit with tax dollars.


You're supporting their habit either way, but one way results in lower costs and less crime. The other is what Kansas is doing. They don't get off drugs, they don't get effective treatment if they're on the street, and they cost you more in police and jail time, and they are far more likely to injure you in a violent crime. So, really, your choice is to spend one tax dollar versus a thousand plus, maybe, your life.
 
2013-04-17 11:20:08 PM

jylcat: This infuriates me just because of the evidence that this does not translate into any cost savings and in Florida it ended up costing them money.


If it cost Florida money, someone received it. I wonder where follow the money goes?
 
2013-04-17 11:20:59 PM
Why isn't recieving a welfare that provides for basic food and shelter a human right in USA?

Probably because you guys don't consider recieving free treatment and education is a right either.
 
2013-04-17 11:21:50 PM
Rufus Lee King:

White folks are not eligible for welfare, disability, or any other government program, no matter how bad the need.

Really. Try it sometime.


Bullshiat. I've been white all my life and I've had to rely on such programs in one way or another for several years now.
 
2013-04-17 11:23:43 PM

The One True TheDavid: Rufus Lee King:

White folks are not eligible for welfare, disability, or any other government program, no matter how bad the need.

Really. Try it sometime.

Bullshiat. I've been white all my life and I've had to rely on such programs in one way or another for several years now.


Don't bother, he's trolling.

/I hope
//I refuse to believe anybody could actually be that stupid
 
2013-04-17 11:24:17 PM

RedPhoenix122: reitage: cman: But the bill was swiftly approved by the House 106-16 and backed by the Senate on a 29-9 vote

All of it was partisanship

When one party has a supermajority stupid shiat like this happens.

... like Obamacare.

58 is not a supermajority.  Thank you for playing.


Actually, anything over the minimum necessary for a simple majority (50.1%) is a supermajority.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/american/supermajority?s ho wCookiePolicy=true

: a specified number or percentage of votes, exceeding the minimum needed to produce a majority, required to pass certain legislative bills, ballot issues, etc.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/supermajority

: a majority greater than a simple majority

http://glossary.econguru.com/economic-term/super+majority+rule

Term super majority rule Definition: A voting rule in which decisions are made based on a specified fraction of votes greater than 50 percent and less than 100 percent.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/supermajority?s=t

: a majority that must represent some percentage more than a simple majority.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/superma jo rity?q=supermajority

: a number that is much more than half of a total, especially in a vote.

And just for shiats and grins... Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajority

A supermajority or a qualified majority is a requirement for a proposal to gain a specified greater level of support than a 50% simple majority.
 
2013-04-17 11:24:34 PM
I never get the outrage on this

I find it reasonable that my employer drug tested me before I was hired (so long as they pay for the test)

I have no problem with a percentage of my income going to those less fortunate, but I also find it reasonable that a prerequisite to receiving that money is that you aren't on illegal drugs (again as long as the cost of the test isn't charged to the welfare recipient)

Does this really make me a bad person?
 
2013-04-17 11:24:40 PM

spawn73: Why isn't recieving a welfare that provides for basic food and shelter a human right in USA?

Probably because you guys don't consider recieving free treatment and education is a right either.


I think that's partially the point of this backasswards policy. They want to ensure that welfare is not used on drugs and instead is used on food and shelter
 
2013-04-17 11:25:41 PM
Let me translate:

"We dont mind if you kill yourself, but we have stiff penalties for doing it a non-profitable ways"

God bless their little hearts.
 
2013-04-17 11:25:48 PM

Rufus Lee King: tuna fingers: Rufus Lee King:

What's the trouble? Why can't I get some temporary help?

How can we help you?

By shutting your ignorant yap, for starters.


Really?
I was going to call on the power of fark to help you out.  Not now.
 
2013-04-17 11:26:52 PM

GrizzlyPouch: I never get the outrage on this

I find it reasonable that my employer drug tested me before I was hired (so long as they pay for the test)

I have no problem with a percentage of my income going to those less fortunate, but I also find it reasonable that a prerequisite to receiving that money is that you aren't on illegal drugs (again as long as the cost of the test isn't charged to the welfare recipient)

Does this really make me a bad person?


in theory it isn't a bad idea.  If it were possible to ensure that public support is only used on beneficial things, that would be good. It's just impractical.  In practice in practice it winds up costing more than it saves.
 
2013-04-17 11:27:58 PM

ChaosStar: Omahawg: once again, let the kansas yahoos have their fun. their educated youth will leave and they will have no creative class whatsoever (most artsy fartsy folks tend to smoke on occasion or, for that matter, every damn day). more enlightened midwestern states, like iowa, will reap the benefits at their expense.

Let Kansas become a barren wasteland populated by a shrinking number of old, bitter, paranoid people clinging to their guns and backwards sheep-herder mythology. and then just give it all back to the kaw and pawnee

everyone wins. see?

So what you're saying is the "artsy fartsy" folks that utilize welfare will leave, taking their lack of job skills having "creative class" with them, freeing up money for people in actual need but removing nothing of merit from the work force?
Yeah, that sure is a wasteland waiting to happen I tells ya.

/creative class... i lol'd


i said nothing about people on welfare. I said educated youth and the tax-base of lawrence.
 
2013-04-17 11:28:35 PM

RedPhoenix122: Yogimus: They are going about this ass backwards. The folks with drug problems need direct hands on help, not banishment.

That's not what Jesus would want.


A friend mine and myself are starting to gather up rental property that we will only be renting to people with felonies and drug arrests on there records. No one without a felony will be admitted. All they have to do is pay their rent and not destroy the property and they have a cheap place to live. All construction and repairs done by local recovering addicts will to get back on there feet after an arrest or an incarceration. Work can even be counted towards community service if they wish. We have lots of pull with court system here in our town because of 15 years of service work we have done for those most at risk of repeating the same behavior and going back to jail.
 
2013-04-17 11:29:10 PM

reitage: Somacandra: Unless the exact same rule applies to KS legislators showing up for "work," then its bullshiat. Make the lords play by the same rules the peasants have to....and watch what happens to the "rules."

I had to take a drug test to get my job, why shouldn't someone have to take one to take my money from me?


You caved to an employer playing big brother? Aren't your skills and boot straps large enough to make you attractive to a different employer?

It's traitors like you that are going to make back ground checks for guns inevitable.
 
2013-04-17 11:29:46 PM

ZAZ: Somacandra:

Unless the exact same rule applies to KS legislators showing up for "work," then its bullshiat. Make the lords play by the same rules the peasants have to....and watch what happens to the "rules."

The lords do have to play by the same rules. Quoting the article: The testing, already required of the governor and several other top state officials, now also extends to House and Senate members suspected of illegal drug use.


Uh-huh. How often do they have to piss in a cup? Are drug tests for these "lords" regularly scheduled, does their number come up randomly, or does someone have to suggest that Senator Farkwit do it right away? And who does this job, the State Police?

I say make them piss in cups before every day's work starts and after every lunch break. And zero tolerance for any booze during the work day for them: they're supposed to set a good example, right?
 
2013-04-17 11:30:14 PM

Philbb: titwrench: It sucks seeing nearly a third of my paycheck disappear each week to give these leeches drug money. fark em, let them die in the streets.

Since 12% of the budget goes to safety net programs and only a portion of the safety net programs go to unemployed people, they must be taking well more than 200% of your paycheck.

I'd expect it would cost quite a bit let them live on the streets and die. The costs of clean up alone, then again body disposal would be pretty steep.


That ain't the half of it.

http://zev.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/Project-50-Cost-Effective ne ss-report-FINAL-6-6-12.pdf
 
2013-04-17 11:31:01 PM
tuna fingers:

But really this is a purge by Kansas of their unwanteds.  These people will undoubtedly either end up in neighboring states or on the streets and then in jail.
I'd like to follow the money on this one... I bet there is some financial backing from some privatized correctional facility.


That's how it looks to me too.
 
2013-04-17 11:33:22 PM

Rufus Lee King: White folks are not eligible for welfare, disability, or any other government program, no matter how bad the need.

Really. Try it sometime.



I'm in voc rehab right now, with SNAP until I'm back to work.
 
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