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(Kansas.com)   If you're in a bad mood or show up late for an appointment in Kansas, that obviously means you're on drugs and therefore ineligible to for welfare. "The tests will not look for alcohol use"   (kansas.com) divider line 200
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2013-04-17 07:11:02 PM  
i'd like welfare, but i don't know what i'd do with my time if i'm not allowed to use drugs..  kratom??
 
2013-04-17 07:15:08 PM  
What about anger management issues? Or tobacco use? Or prescription medicine abuse? Or eating foods that are clearly unhealthy for you? Why does the Government care about some things we put in our bodies, but not others?
 
2013-04-17 07:17:08 PM  

Nadie_AZ: What about anger management issues? Or tobacco use? Or prescription medicine abuse? Or eating foods that are clearly unhealthy for you? Why does the Government care about some things we put in our bodies, but not others?


because by simply putting down "drugs" you automatically get Catholic supporters in droves.  cause they're against anything that's not wine
 
2013-04-17 07:31:11 PM  
FTA "That could be triggered by a person's demeanor, missed appointments or police records."

AKA you're black now piss in this cup you farking druggie
 
2013-04-17 07:41:44 PM  
Or you're a "millenial" and think you're showing up for a job interview.
 
2013-04-17 08:00:44 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i'd like welfare, but i don't know what i'd do with my time if i'm not allowed to use drugs..  kratom??


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2013-04-17 08:15:41 PM  
But the bill was swiftly approved by the House 106-16 and backed by the Senate on a 29-9 vote

All of it was partisanship

When one party has a supermajority stupid shiat like this happens.
 
2013-04-17 08:28:05 PM  

IgG4: Jon iz teh kewl: i'd like welfare, but i don't know what i'd do with my time if i'm not allowed to use drugs..  kratom??

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aah vodak
love me some of that now
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-17 08:35:14 PM  
Ordering lazy people to take drug tests that motivated people can skip is not the important part of the law. This is: Senate Bill 149, effective July 1, also bans anyone convicted of a drug-related felony from getting welfare for five years. Those convicted a second time lose benefits for life.
 
2013-04-17 08:37:46 PM  
Drug testing? WHY?

What we should be doing for welfare recipients is POOR TESTING.

Has teh poors? No welfare for you!
 
2013-04-17 08:41:34 PM  

Elegy: Drug testing? WHY?

What we should be doing for welfare recipients is POOR TESTING.

Has teh poors? No welfare for you!


This quote is very accurate, I find.

"Mormons Republicans get burned up when they read about someone buying a bottle of mouthwash with food stamps, but they love big water defense projects. They only object to nickel-and-dime welfare. They love it in great big gobs."
 
2013-04-17 08:48:08 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Elegy: Drug testing? WHY?

What we should be doing for welfare recipients is POOR TESTING.

Has teh poors? No welfare for you!

This quote is very accurate, I find.

"Mormons Republicans get burned up when they read about someone buying a bottle of mouthwash with food stamps, but they love big water defense projects. They only object to nickel-and-dime welfare. They love it in great big gobs."


I have figured it out

Those on the right (not just the GOP) like big shiny toys.

Does helping the poor give us a badass explosion? Does paying for little Timmy's surgery allow bigass robots to fight with each other? Does giving a dinner to a homeless man give us a space shuttle?

If you could find some badassery it might be easier to introduce your welfare programs.

/This post was satire
 
2013-04-17 08:58:26 PM  
Unless the exact same rule applies to KS legislators showing up for "work," then its bullshiat. Make the lords play by the same rules the peasants have to....and watch what happens to the "rules."
 
2013-04-17 09:08:42 PM  
This infuriates me just because of the evidence that this does not translate into any cost savings and in Florida it ended up costing them money.
 
2013-04-17 09:10:12 PM  
Welfare recipients who fail the test will lose their benefits until they complete a drug treatment and job skills program.


No benefits?  No food.  No transportation.  No learnin` supplies.

Good plan...?
 
2013-04-17 09:11:52 PM  

ZAZ: Ordering lazy people to take drug tests that motivated people can skip is not the important part of the law. This is: Senate Bill 149, effective July 1, also bans anyone convicted of a drug-related felony from getting welfare for five years. Those convicted a second time lose benefits for life.


You've hit the nail on the head here. This, coupled with unwritten policing rules, will start moving the demographics of Kansas.
 
2013-04-17 09:40:10 PM  

cman: Nadie_AZ: Elegy: Drug testing? WHY?

What we should be doing for welfare recipients is POOR TESTING.

Has teh poors? No welfare for you!

This quote is very accurate, I find.

"Mormons Republicans get burned up when they read about someone buying a bottle of mouthwash with food stamps, but they love big water defense projects. They only object to nickel-and-dime welfare. They love it in great big gobs."

I have figured it out

Those on the right (not just the GOP) like big shiny toys.

Does helping the poor give us a badass explosion? Does paying for little Timmy's surgery allow bigass robots to fight with each other? Does giving a dinner to a homeless man give us a space shuttle?

If you could find some badassery it might be easier to introduce your welfare programs.

/This post was satire


What's all this about big ass-robots?

/Rule 9523: If anything is posted on an internet forum, there exists an XKCD reference relevant to that thing. No exceptions.
//if you're not sure why I chose that number, look at the keypad on a phone
 
2013-04-17 09:43:27 PM  

jylcat: This infuriates me just because of the evidence that this does not translate into any cost savings and in Florida it ended up costing them money.


At least in Florida, the governor personally got a financial gain out of the deal (in addition to the obvious punishment of minorities and poor people for daring to even consider voting for Democrats).

How does this pad Brownback's wallet?
 
2013-04-17 09:48:32 PM  
At some point all the people these knuckleheads seek to exclude, will run out of people to exclude from whatever it is they deem as exclusive.
 
2013-04-17 10:08:22 PM  

homelessdude: At some point all the people these knuckleheads seek to exclude, will run out of people to exclude from whatever it is they deem as exclusive.


Excluding themselves, of course
 
2013-04-17 10:13:05 PM  
Damn, they can't even show up for free money!? No wonder they broke!
 
2013-04-17 10:17:30 PM  
FTFA: "The drug testing program and treatment is estimated to cost about $1 million the first year, after any savings from people losing benefits."

Good fiscal conservatism there, Kansas.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/04/16/2764370/brownback-signs-bill-that-re q uires.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-04-17 10:23:00 PM  
ugh. can we just fence off the state and let the fascist jesus freaks sour in their own biblical juices?

daily.greencine.com
 
2013-04-17 10:23:37 PM  
As a Kansan with a ponytail but entirely drug-free, I'd be really tempted to act 'odd' for their interviews, just to fark with them.

That is, if I didn't suspect that their drug tests were going to the lowest bidder, someone's making big money on treatment counseling, and that between all that the chances of a false positive were way too high to risk it.
 
2013-04-17 10:27:44 PM  

Rufus Lee King: White folks are not eligible for welfare, disability, or any other government program, no matter how bad the need.

Really. Try it sometime.


My sister proves otherwise.
 
2013-04-17 10:28:25 PM  

Lawnchair: As a Kansan


Get out before it's too late.
 
2013-04-17 10:29:46 PM  

Rufus Lee King: White folks are not eligible for welfare, disability, or any other government program, no matter how bad the need.

Really. Try it sometime.


Really, you are wrong.
/Why do I respond to these idiots?
 
2013-04-17 10:30:54 PM  
Thought this program was a bust in FLA. So much for live and learn.
 
2013-04-17 10:32:58 PM  
I'm white and use my welfare checks to pay for my subscriptions to als.com and extensive drug habit. also on coca-cola and vietnamese happy ending massages.

so ha ha on you, Mr. King. Keep going to work, sucker!
 
2013-04-17 10:34:31 PM  

buzzcut73: FTFA: "The drug testing program and treatment is estimated to cost about $1 million the first year, after any savings from people losing benefits."

Good fiscal conservatism there, Kansas.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/04/16/2764370/brownback-signs-bill-that-re q uires.html#storylink=cpy


$1million is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of annual spending for a state and that is only for the first year. There is always going to be an initial opportunity cost. If that's all it will cost to weed out the deadbeat druggies that want to sit around all day getting high off of the backs of Kansas' hard working citizens I say go for it. If you have enough money to buy drugs then you don't deserve financial help. I am all for welfare as a system to help people get back on their feet but there are too many trailer parks and tenements full of people that have created a culture of welfare abuse and they need to be stopped. It sucks seeing nearly a third of my paycheck disappear each week to give these leeches drug money. fark em, let them die in the streets.
 
2013-04-17 10:36:14 PM  
Don't show up late when people are giving you money.
 
2013-04-17 10:37:01 PM  
So people in Kansas want to pay more for people on welfare. Good plan.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-17 10:37:53 PM  
Somacandra: Unless the exact same rule applies to KS legislators showing up for "work," then its bullshiat. Make the lords play by the same rules the peasants have to....and watch what happens to the "rules."

The lords do have to play by the same rules. Quoting the article: The testing, already required of the governor and several other top state officials, now also extends to House and Senate members suspected of illegal drug use.
 
2013-04-17 10:38:02 PM  

ZAZ: Ordering lazy people to take drug tests that motivated people can skip is not the important part of the law. This is: Senate Bill 149, effective July 1, also bans anyone convicted of a drug-related felony from getting welfare for five years. Those convicted a second time lose benefits for life.


Then since they can't get a job being a felon and can't get welfare they turn back to crime and become fodder for the private for profit prison system. This is how they plan on fixing the black and brown people issue.
 
2013-04-17 10:39:07 PM  
They are going about this ass backwards. The folks with drug problems need direct hands on help, not banishment.
 
2013-04-17 10:39:08 PM  
I wonder how this works.

At first glance it seems like the skills course part is an afterthought.  I'd like to see the actual verbiage of the bill.
But really this is a purge by Kansas of their unwanteds.  These people will undoubtedly either end up in neighboring states or on the streets and then in jail.
I'd like to follow the money on this one... I bet there is some financial backing from some privatized correctional facility.
 
2013-04-17 10:41:25 PM  

A snake wearing a sweater: ZAZ: Ordering lazy people to take drug tests that motivated people can skip is not the important part of the law. This is: Senate Bill 149, effective July 1, also bans anyone convicted of a drug-related felony from getting welfare for five years. Those convicted a second time lose benefits for life.

Then since they can't get a job being a felon and can't get welfare they turn back to crime and become fodder for the private for profit prison system. This is how they plan on fixing the black and brown people issue.


Or maybe, just maybe, they stop doing drugs, clean up, get a job, and better themselves.
/I can play hypothetical hyperbole to!
 
2013-04-17 10:43:04 PM  
FTFA: "Welfare recipients who fail the test will lose their benefits until they complete a drug treatment and job skills program. That's paid for by federal welfare funds."

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/04/16/2764370/brownback-signs-bill-that-re q uires.html#storylink=cpy

Now this having been passed by the Kansas Legislature and being something that Brownback has been asking for I'm sure it's being done in a horribly unfair and generally dickish manner but the basic idea of providing people with an incentive and means to seek help with drug abuse seems sound.
 
2013-04-17 10:43:23 PM  

A snake wearing a sweater: 
Then since they can't get a job being a felon and can't get welfare they turn back to crime and become fodder for the private for profit prison system. This is how they plan on fixing the black and brown people issue.

I was a minute too late.  Curses!
Agreed.  Look at the privatized prison system for who is backing this.

titwrench: It sucks seeing nearly a third of my paycheck disappear each week to give these leeches drug money. fark em, let them die in the streets.


And you will see exactly no change to your paycheck when these people are herded off to a private prison.
 
2013-04-17 10:45:07 PM  

Yogimus: They are going about this ass backwards. The folks with drug problems need direct hands on help, not banishment.


That's not what Jesus would want.
 
2013-04-17 10:45:29 PM  

ZAZ: The lords do have to play by the same rules. Quoting the article: The testing, already required of the governor and several other top state officials, now also extends to House and Senate members suspected of illegal drug use.


The key word is the 'suspected'.  No real idea what that means (and how it will be challenged in court). The way the state is cribbing from some ugly playbooks of history, the next step will probably be an anonymous webpage to rat a state employee or UI recipient.

TofuTheAlmighty: Lawnchair: As a Kansan

Get out before it's too late.


Trust me, no other state wants me either.
 
2013-04-17 10:47:25 PM  

jylcat: This infuriates me just because of the evidence that this does not translate into any cost savings and in Florida it ended up costing them money.


But the lab that does the drug testing makes shiat tons of money!
 
2013-04-17 10:48:10 PM  

A snake wearing a sweater: ZAZ: Ordering lazy people to take drug tests that motivated people can skip is not the important part of the law. This is: Senate Bill 149, effective July 1, also bans anyone convicted of a drug-related felony from getting welfare for five years. Those convicted a second time lose benefits for life.

Then since they can't get a job being a felon and can't get welfare they turn back to crime and become fodder for the private for profit prison system. This is how they plan on fixing the black and brown people issue.


Why is it their job to give handouts? If it is a black and brown problem, in your opinion, why don't the black and brown people fix it?
 
2013-04-17 10:48:23 PM  

Rufus Lee King: White folks are not eligible for welfare, disability, or any other government program, no matter how bad the need.

Really. Try it sometime.


I'm a white guy who used to live in govt subsidized housing, so I'll believe my history over your your ignorant post.
 
2013-04-17 10:48:47 PM  

tuna fingers: titwrench: It sucks seeing nearly a third of my paycheck disappear each week to give these leeches drug money. fark em, let them die in the streets.

And you will see exactly no change to your paycheck when these people are herded off to a private prison.


Prison cells (public or private) are gonna be way more expensive than a lifetime of ~$12k/year trailer park transfer.  For that matter, adding a few thousand kids to the foster system after breaking up families for reefer is a whole lot more expensive than 18 years of WIC.  But, hey, we've got money to burn around here.
 
2013-04-17 10:50:29 PM  

jylcat: This infuriates me just because of the evidence that this does not translate into any cost savings and in Florida it ended up costing them money.


Agreed; I've dragged out that Tampa Bay Online article about it a half dozen times to shut up people who advocate it. One of them even lives IN Florida and should know better (showed her twice). She pretty much just dismisses me every time though.
 
2013-04-17 10:50:41 PM  
I've never taken a drug test in my life. Let's see if I can make it the rest of the way like that.
 
2013-04-17 10:51:52 PM  
Lazy people being denied welfare?

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2013-04-17 10:52:38 PM  
test welfare recipients all you want - it's your money. It's not gonna save you any money in the long run but you're Kansas and stupid so whatever. However, unemployment is insurance, pay up - no tests, biatches.
 
2013-04-17 10:52:41 PM  
Rufus Lee King: 

What's the trouble? Why can't I get some temporary help?

How can we help you?
 
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