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2013-04-18 01:17:22 PM  

The Name: dittybopper: The Name: And in any case, I can name plenty that had democracy and then managed to "disarm" the populace without falling into tyranny -pretty much all of Western Europe, for example.

That's only true if you only count the last 60 years of history, which seems to me to be pretty short sighted.  History didn't start when your mother was born, you know.

And as I've already said twice in this thread, history isn't a goddamn moebius strip.


Yes, it's more like rolling dice of infinite sides.

But those are not democracies they are representative democracies. Think classic-era Greece for true democracy.
 
2013-04-18 01:19:40 PM  

The Name: And as I've already said twice in this thread, history isn't a goddamn moebius strip.


I'm not really sure what that is supposed to mean, but if I can guess from the context of this discussion, it means we have nothing to learn from the past.
 
2013-04-18 01:28:35 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: My point is that if you start carving up the second amendment, then the first might be next. And instead of removing the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" I'm afraid the retarded Christian right wing nutjobs will get enough power to remove the "shall make no law establishing" part. I don't want to live in a theocracy.


You zany Americans are always good for a laugh. Seriously, if you're that scared that if you don't have guns your democracy will inevitably fall apart, then maybe it wasn't much of a democracy to begin with.

After some prick used an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine to kill 35 people and wound 21 others in 1996, we Aussies banned that shiat posthaste. In the 17 years since, I haven't seen any signs of our country falling into tyranny or theocracy.

And nothing whatsoever of value was lost.

Maybe we just don't live in enough fear.

Mind you, I have to concede that if we had more politicians like the former GOP Presidential candidate Rick Perry advocating for creationism in schools, executing the intellectually disabled, and denying our fellow citizens proper healthcare, we might be a bit more worried.

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2013-04-18 01:52:02 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: The Name: Mr. Cat Poop: AdolfOliverPanties: I think it should be amended, updated for the times.  I would love to see private gun ownership ended, as I am virulently anti-gun,

I am anti-religion, but I don't want to see the first amendment changed to get rid of the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"to stop other people from worshiping whatever make believe monster they want.

Because of course gun ownership and freedom of expression are equally important.  You can't have a democracy or freedom without both.

/This is what gun nuts actually believe.

Just for grins, name one civilization that disarmed the populace then brought democracy?


Japan, England, pretty much everyone but the U.S. What was your point?
 
2013-04-18 01:58:08 PM  
Tman144:

Japan, England, pretty much everyone but the U.S. What was your point?

England is now a civilization?

lol
 
2013-04-18 02:01:25 PM  

fluffy2097: Tman144:

Japan, England, pretty much everyone but the U.S. What was your point?

England is now a civilization?

lol



Yep.

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Says so right there. "Select you civilization."
 
2013-04-18 02:01:30 PM  

Trapper439: Mr. Cat Poop: My point is that if you start carving up the second amendment, then the first might be next. And instead of removing the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" I'm afraid the retarded Christian right wing nutjobs will get enough power to remove the "shall make no law establishing" part. I don't want to live in a theocracy.

You zany Americans are always good for a laugh. Seriously, if you're that scared that if you don't have guns your democracy will inevitably fall apart, then maybe it wasn't much of a democracy to begin with.

After some prick used an AR-15 with a 30 round magazine to kill 35 people and wound 21 others in 1996, we Aussies banned that shiat posthaste. In the 17 years since, I haven't seen any signs of our country falling into tyranny or theocracy.

And nothing whatsoever of value was lost.

Maybe we just don't live in enough fear.

Mind you, I have to concede that if we had more politicians like the former GOP Presidential candidate Rick Perry advocating for creationism in schools, executing the intellectually disabled, and denying our fellow citizens proper healthcare, we might be a bit more worried.

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Your last paragraph nails it. This country is full of people that believe that America is a Christian nation and they are Hell-bent on shoving it down everyone's throats. These are people that passed a law to give vouchers to people so they can use government money to send their kids to religious schools. Then they started shiatting themselves when they realized the scary Muslims could use the vouchers too. I side with them on the second amendment issue because they just might unwittingly reinforce the first amendment along with it.
 
2013-04-18 02:43:02 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Your last paragraph nails it. This country is full of people that believe that America is a Christian nation and they are Hell-bent on shoving it down everyone's throats. These are people that passed a law to give vouchers to people so they can use government money to send their kids to religious schools. Then they started shiatting themselves when they realized the scary Muslims could use the vouchers too. I side with them on the second amendment issue because they just might unwittingly reinforce the first amendment along with it.


What you're saying here in that last sentence is really interesting to me. I'm genuinely curious about why you would think that reinforcement of the first amendment, "unwittingly" or otherwise, would be a bad thing, or, for that matter, in any way connected to the second amendment.

/too many commas
 
2013-04-18 02:50:31 PM  

The Name: dittybopper: The Name: And in any case, I can name plenty that had democracy and then managed to "disarm" the populace without falling into tyranny -pretty much all of Western Europe, for example.

That's only true if you only count the last 60 years of history, which seems to me to be pretty short sighted.  History didn't start when your mother was born, you know.

And as I've already said twice in this thread, history isn't a goddamn moebius strip.


No, but anyone with a passing familiarity with the subject knows that while history doesn't repeat itself, if does *RHYME*.  A lot.  The same sorts of things happen over and over, in slightly different ways.

The fact that you can't recognize the patterns speaks more to your limitations than anything else.
 
2013-04-18 02:59:40 PM  

Trapper439: Mr. Cat Poop: Your last paragraph nails it. This country is full of people that believe that America is a Christian nation and they are Hell-bent on shoving it down everyone's throats. These are people that passed a law to give vouchers to people so they can use government money to send their kids to religious schools. Then they started shiatting themselves when they realized the scary Muslims could use the vouchers too. I side with them on the second amendment issue because they just might unwittingly reinforce the first amendment along with it.

What you're saying here in that last sentence is really interesting to me. I'm genuinely curious about why you would think that reinforcement of the first amendment, "unwittingly" or otherwise, would be a bad thing, or, for that matter, in any way connected to the second amendment.

/too many commas


It wouldn't be a bad thing. They just can't see past one issue at a time, like the deal with the vouchers. They honestly did not see that other religions might use them. They only thought that they were helping Christians get out of the evil public schools. When a terrorist Muslim used the vouchers too then the fundies flipped the fark out. So if they spend all this effort to cement the Bill of Rights as untouchable to protect the second amendment, then it could have the unforeseen (to them) benefit of making them keep their mitts off the establishment clause in the future.
 
2013-04-18 03:03:26 PM  

Tman144: StoPPeRmobile: The Name: Mr. Cat Poop: AdolfOliverPanties: I think it should be amended, updated for the times.  I would love to see private gun ownership ended, as I am virulently anti-gun,

I am anti-religion, but I don't want to see the first amendment changed to get rid of the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"to stop other people from worshiping whatever make believe monster they want.

Because of course gun ownership and freedom of expression are equally important.  You can't have a democracy or freedom without both.

/This is what gun nuts actually believe.

Just for grins, name one civilization that disarmed the populace then brought democracy?

Japan, England, pretty much everyone but the U.S. What was your point?


Japan only became a democracy because to continue on it's tyrannical path it would have become a radioactive wasteland.  In other words, it was *IMPOSED* on them by outside forces (ie., the US).

Also, we regularly mock the UK as the "Nanny State" for stupid meddling in individual lives that would be blatantly unconstitutional in the US, and it wasn't always so.

In fact, our Second Amendment has solid roots in the rights of English subjects:  We didn't make it up out of whole-cloth in 1789.
 
2013-04-18 03:26:10 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop:  So if they spend all this effort to cement the Bill of Rights as untouchable to protect the second amendment, then it could have the unforeseen (to them) benefit of making them keep their mitts off the establishment clause in the future.



Ah, OK, I see where you're coming from now. You're saying that their staunch defense of the Constitution as they see it might come back to bite them on the ass later on. Thanks for clearing that up.

It's interesting to me how Americans seem to see the law as an integrated whole rather than an amalgam of rules for different issues*. Gotta go now, but have a good one.

/*Will check back later to see if I've profoundly missed your point
 
2013-04-18 05:13:50 PM  
Jay Mohr calls for repeal of Second Amendment on Twitter.


Yes if only the second amendment allowed us to pass background check and waiting periods for cook-wear this tragedy could have been averted.


FFS moonbats for once in your g.d. useless lives focus on the problem at hand, rather than leaching off the bodies of innocent and irrelevant people.
 
2013-04-18 05:46:44 PM  
I hate guns, but I wouldn't repeal the 2nd Amendment.

What I would ask is that we clarify it. It's an awful mess of an Amendment that seems to have been written by someone who was doing some heavy drugs a the time. The syntax is confusing and the point of it gets lost in the way it is phrased.

However, whatever happens, I just want the gun nuts to know that having all the rifles and shotguns in the world won't protect you if the federal government decides to go on the offensive against you. You're pretty stupid if you think holing up in your house with an arsenal will work against a nation that spends as much as we do on defense. We have tanks that will roll right over you and your house. We have satellites that can pinpoint you inside your house and point the missiles right at your front door. We have thousands of trained soldiers who WILL see you as the enemy if they are told to do so. We have weapons that will render your little gun-pile a puddle of slag. They have armor and vehicles that wouldn't be harmed AT ALL by anything you have in your little arsenal.

So if you think this whole survivalist thing is to protect you from the government, or to overthrow the government when they don't serve the people, you're living in a fantasy. There's no way an armed civilian militia will be able to revolt against the United States government in this day and age. The high-tech toys they have make your guns look like crappy slingshots, and your survival training look like cub scout meetings.
 
2013-04-18 08:26:05 PM  

Fade2black: AdolfOliverPanties: douchebag/hater: AdolfOliverPanties:

I hope Wayne LaPierre is killed with a gun.  Not soon; I hope he lives a normal lifespan.  But I hope that is the way his life ends; violently, with him shiatting himself in fear.

And yet you think of yourself as 'tolerant'.

Ain't that sumptin'?

Where did I claim to be tolerant, douchebag?

At least you admit it.

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Explosives, and bombs specifically, are already under very tight legal controls.  Guns are not.  Obviously, people blame the actors in both cases.  That pic is stupid.
 
2013-04-18 08:39:27 PM  

dittybopper: Tman144: StoPPeRmobile: The Name: Mr. Cat Poop: AdolfOliverPanties: I think it should be amended, updated for the times.  I would love to see private gun ownership ended, as I am virulently anti-gun,

I am anti-religion, but I don't want to see the first amendment changed to get rid of the "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"to stop other people from worshiping whatever make believe monster they want.

Because of course gun ownership and freedom of expression are equally important.  You can't have a democracy or freedom without both.

/This is what gun nuts actually believe.

Just for grins, name one civilization that disarmed the populace then brought democracy?

Japan, England, pretty much everyone but the U.S. What was your point?

Japan only became a democracy because to continue on it's tyrannical path it would have become a radioactive wasteland.  In other words, it was *IMPOSED* on them by outside forces (ie., the US).

Also, we regularly mock the UK as the "Nanny State" for stupid meddling in individual lives that would be blatantly unconstitutional in the US, and it wasn't always so.

In fact, our Second Amendment has solid roots in the rights of English subjects:  We didn't make it up out of whole-cloth in 1789.


Lol, bullshiat. The second amendment did not guarantee a personal right to bear arms until 2010.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago

Prior to the 14th amendment, if an individual state wanted to disarm its citizens there would have been NO argument from the Supreme Court. England has never had a personal, absolute, right to bear arms. The English bill of rights people like to cite simply transferred the power to take your guns away from the crown and gave it to parliament.

Nice try on moving the goalposts though.
 
2013-04-18 09:38:58 PM  

Tman144: Lol, bullshiat. The second amendment did not guarantee a personal right to bear arms until 2010.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago


It's interesting how gun grabbers believe that when the amendments refer to "the people" they mean individuals..that is, all the amendments except for the 2nd.
 
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