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(Sun News Network)   Canadian conservative pundit makes his case for legalization of marijuana   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 34
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2013-04-17 03:51:23 PM  
5 votes:
It is pretty much the reason I support legalization.

I don't smoke weed. I don't want to smoke weed. I don't care if folks do, so long as they aren't at work. I DO want to see industrial applications explored because it makes economic sense, and the protectionist aspect to protect cotton and logging is anti- competition. It will also mean our courts and jails and prisons will clog up less, it will help eliminate some of the systemic corruption that goes with current seizure laws, and it will put people to work. New industries, new applications, less strain on our legal system and penetiniaries.

It SHOULD be something that good Conservatives embrace, the same as marriage equality, but folks have put a LOT of cash into hands to keep it illegal, and that's the issue. It is a protectionist view that favors not American firms, but select industries, and the hue and cry about the medical effects have long been used as a shield to disguise this.
2013-04-17 04:48:23 PM  
3 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: Rev.K: xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."

Well THC is fat soluble, but I just don't see where you're going to find fat in poutine.

but you have to cook it to "activate" the THC


Yeah, but you only need a temp of around 222F to do that and 325F to get it to bond to fat, and you'd have to keep it below 355F to keep the THC from boiling off, so that actually leaves you with a small range of where you could add canna-oil or concentrate or whatever.  Couldn't fry the fries in it, might be able to add it directly to cheese curd during the manufacturing process, but I don't know how hot they have to get the milk.  I think your best bet is the gravy.  Slow cooker on low, bit of hash, and a good high-fat gravy.
2013-04-17 04:37:33 PM  
3 votes:

Rev.K: FTA:

If you want smaller government and you want the government out of people's private lives, you need to support the legalization of marijuana. It's the logically consistent viewpoint for a conservative.

Not sure if conservative or clever plot....

My view is the law criminalizes commerce. It criminalizes gardening. And it criminalizes your right to do what you want with your body so long as you're not violating anyone else's liberties.

You sir, are no conservative.


Well, maybe not GOP-Conservative, but his arguments are conservative without being radical.
2013-04-17 06:57:11 PM  
2 votes:

SultanofSchwing: It's likely to just be a waste of time.


For the moment it is a waste of time in Canada... I'm surprised US corporations don't lead the charge...

If I was the CEO of Marlboro I would lobby the fark out of GOP,  invest heavily in hydroponic and outdoor facilities and have legislation passed so that pot is sold in corner stores, in the same cardboard packs as cigarettes.  Be the first company to have a license and the production capacity to be # 1 on a national scale.  The lobby again to have access to the market (via licencing) restricted.  Your ROI on lobbying is near infinite and the shareholders would earn a trillion dollars within 5 years.

/all those lawsuits from tobacco...  Why don't I simply change my product line to one where there is less liability?
2013-04-17 06:29:16 PM  
2 votes:
End the war on drugs. Stop funneling money into guns and choppers and prisons.

Use that money for education, rehabilitation, and community services. Enrich our neighborhoods.
2013-04-17 04:53:42 PM  
2 votes:
After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?
2013-04-17 04:50:52 PM  
2 votes:
Well the way people think regarding labels now, if you're a conservative you MUST hate pot along with hating gay marriage and abortions and immigrants and all other things in agreement with The Party Line. Conservatism can't just be a concept that people may agree with to varying degrees, or at varying points.

That's what the talking heads on TV claim, anyway. You're either all or nothing. A Patriot or a RINO. Politics needs more people willing to say "I believe in X and not Y" without worrying first about their career.  This might be easier with more than 2 parties in the US, I spose.
2013-04-17 04:44:52 PM  
2 votes:

Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.


Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.
2013-04-17 04:41:33 PM  
2 votes:
Honestly, at this point I'm surprised a case even needs to be made at all.
2013-04-17 03:03:30 PM  
2 votes:
yep , conservatives in Canada are far left of their US counterparts . Even the most conservative like Harper .
2013-04-18 09:17:37 AM  
1 votes:

D135: SultanofSchwing: It's likely to just be a waste of time.

For the moment it is a waste of time in Canada... I'm surprised US corporations don't lead the charge...

If I was the CEO of Marlboro I would lobby the fark out of GOP,  invest heavily in hydroponic and outdoor facilities and have legislation passed so that pot is sold in corner stores, in the same cardboard packs as cigarettes.  Be the first company to have a license and the production capacity to be # 1 on a national scale.  The lobby again to have access to the market (via licencing) restricted.  Your ROI on lobbying is near infinite and the shareholders would earn a trillion dollars within 5 years.

/all those lawsuits from tobacco...  Why don't I simply change my product line to one where there is less liability?



The tobacco companies have been interested in legalization for years. They see a way to increase their current reach with 'blended" products. In fact, many of them have had packs designed for years.

This is the dream tobacco companies have had since at least the 1970s, when consultants issued a secret report to Brown & Williamson touting a future product line in marijuana. "The use of marijuana today by 13 million Americans is socially the equivalent of the use of alcohol by some 100 million Americans," said the report, found among millions of documents turned over to plaintiffs during the tobacco lawsuits of the 1990s. "It is the recreational drug; the choice of a significant minority of the population. The trend in liberalization of drug laws reflects the overall change in our value system. It also has important implications for the tobacco industry in terms of an alternative product line."

http://www.samefacts.com/2012/10/drug-policy/the-tobacco-industrys-l on gstanding-desire-to-sell-marijuana-cigarettes/
http://legendsrumors.blogspot.com/2012/05/tobacco-companies-trademar ke d-dope.html
2013-04-17 07:16:58 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: It is pretty much the reason I support legalization.

I don't smoke weed. I don't want to smoke weed. I don't care if folks do, so long as they aren't at work. I DO want to see industrial applications explored because it makes economic sense, and the protectionist aspect to protect cotton and logging is anti- competition. It will also mean our courts and jails and prisons will clog up less, it will help eliminate some of the systemic corruption that goes with current seizure laws, and it will put people to work. New industries, new applications, less strain on our legal system and penetiniaries.

It SHOULD be something that good Conservatives embrace, the same as marriage equality, but folks have put a LOT of cash into hands to keep it illegal, and that's the issue. It is a protectionist view that favors not American firms, but select industries, and the hue and cry about the medical effects have long been used as a shield to disguise this.


100% this. All those frickin' boomers are entering their Depends years. Legalize it, tax it and buy more large Jamacian caregivers who never seem to tire of your hippie war stories.
2013-04-17 07:07:30 PM  
1 votes:
A true Canadian Hero!

sniktbub.wdfiles.com
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
2013-04-17 06:58:48 PM  
1 votes:
Who supports a hard line against pot?  It's those stubborn headed OLD PEOPLE.
And since old people can be counted on to vote for conservatives, they are scared to upset the old dears.

The ironic thing is that those old folks, especially those in those miserable nursing homes, would really benefit from smoking a couple of bowls a day.

Oh, well, give it time,,,,,
2013-04-17 06:53:56 PM  
1 votes:

SoundOfOneHandWanking: radarlove: Which, of course, is all moot anyways, since urinalysis tests are remarkably easy to beat.

HINT: Half the employees who test clean smoked a joint on the way to the pee-lab.

I've always said that if they're only doing urine tests, they're not trying to find drug users, they're trying to find stupid drug users.


Stupid drug users (potheads who don't know how to cheat the test) and potheads. I could go on a damn meth binge and piss clean in three days. Smoke a bowl every day after work and I'm pissing dirty for over a month.
2013-04-17 06:50:29 PM  
1 votes:

sithon: yep , conservatives in Canada are far left of their US counterparts . Even the most conservative like Harper .


the direction "right" is left of US conservatives.
2013-04-17 06:30:49 PM  
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?

They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.


It also doesnt work at all. Eaten em by the handull.
didnt do shiat. Placebo is all it is. not just my opinion but that of the dozen or so people that ive eaten them with.

pure crap
2013-04-17 05:43:45 PM  
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?

They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.


Really. I didn't realize that about Marinol. I would figure that the decriminalization of marijuana and analogues would lead to cheaper and more effective compounds than that. Still, I would argue that THC could easily be made transdermal in a purified form, especially through a carrier.

/decriminalize it.
/The medical need people benefit from it, and the recreational people stop being a drain on the medical and law enforcement system.
//fark the DOJ for their propaganda.
2013-04-17 05:41:18 PM  
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?


They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.
2013-04-17 05:36:56 PM  
1 votes:
After DOMA is struck down, cannabis laws in the U.S. will be next, as more and more states move to legalize either medical or recreational use of cannabis.  We will soon have a majority of states with Medical Cannabis laws on the books, and several more moving towards outright legalization!  The Feds will be the last ones to agree, and only after they realize that 80% of Americans are for it, so the politicans will all scramble to be the first to say that they were for it before their opponents, and that they have consertative values that respect personal rights, responsibilities and choice - While at the same time wearing a t-shirt that says "Choose Life, Outlaw Abortions!"
2013-04-17 05:32:13 PM  
1 votes:
You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?
2013-04-17 05:19:59 PM  
1 votes:
lol Ontario Liberals acting like the Liberal Party made any real effort to Legalize weed...Jean's bill was abandoned from US pressure and Martin's was a PR stunt before his whole cabinet was kicked out.
2013-04-17 05:05:20 PM  
1 votes:

lennavan: scottydoesntknow: Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em.

Random drug testing exists because targeting people specifically for drug tests leads to lawsuits.  "Why did you think I was drugged up at work, is it because I'm black?"


Then do away with it completely and fire them for every other reason you can fire someone. If someone's doing their job, I don't care how high they got last night.
2013-04-17 05:00:53 PM  
1 votes:

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


The law, in Colorado at least, specifically states that employers retain their rights to terminate employees for cannabis usage.  This is a right that businesses have that extends far beyond cannabis, and I suspect that it will remain that way in the case of federal legalization.

Which, of course, is all moot anyways, since urinalysis tests are remarkably easy to beat.

HINT:  Half the employees who test clean smoked a joint on the way to the pee-lab.
2013-04-17 05:00:39 PM  
1 votes:

Electromax: Well the way people think regarding labels now, if you're a conservative you MUST hate pot along with hating gay marriage and abortions and immigrants and all other things in agreement with The Party Line. Conservatism can't just be a concept that people may agree with to varying degrees, or at varying points.

That's what the talking heads on TV claim, anyway. You're either all or nothing. A Patriot or a RINO. Politics needs more people willing to say "I believe in X and not Y" without worrying first about their career.  This might be easier with more than 2 parties in the US, I spose.


This.

US conservatives believe that everything would be perfect if we went back to the norms of the 50s.  The 1850s that is.  Beyond that, they have no "thought".
2013-04-17 05:00:18 PM  
1 votes:

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em. Otherwise you're just punishing hard-working people who might like to toke after work instead of having a beer.
2013-04-17 04:55:11 PM  
1 votes:

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


It'll probably be the same as drinking.

You're just as likely to be fired being drunk at work as being high etc.
2013-04-17 04:54:39 PM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: the funny thing is, i've eaten weed directly out of the bag before and gotten stoned


Oh it's doable, it's just ridiculously inefficient.  You could probably get high from packing a nug in your rectum too, if you were sensitive enough to it.  And it would actually still be way more efficient than eating it raw.
2013-04-17 04:51:06 PM  
1 votes:
In Canada pot smokers are like gay republican preachers. You'll find lots of people claiming to be against it, but everyone is doing it.
2013-04-17 04:47:32 PM  
1 votes:
I prefer the libertarian argument - it's not hurting anyone else, so who the fark are you to tell me I can't?
2013-04-17 04:44:28 PM  
1 votes:
Isn't legalization like the easiest conservative argument ever? Legalization would drastically reduce the size and cost if the federal government, and isn't reducing the size and cost of government the whole point of conservatism?

I mean real conservatism of course, not the US kind with the gay hate, Bible thumping, and the pro-rape positions.
2013-04-17 04:40:52 PM  
1 votes:

Rev.K: FTA:

If you want smaller government and you want the government out of people's private lives, you need to support the legalization of marijuana. It's the logically consistent viewpoint for a conservative.

Not sure if conservative or clever plot....

My view is the law criminalizes commerce. It criminalizes gardening. And it criminalizes your right to do what you want with your body so long as you're not violating anyone else's liberties.

You sir, are no conservative.


American Republicans are not conservative.  They want gov't to intrude in some parts of life and not in others.  They're just a different form of liberal.

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.
2013-04-17 04:40:18 PM  
1 votes:
Wait a minute, is this the same conservative government that added mandatory minimum sentences?  Of which many of them are marijuana/pedo related?
2013-04-17 02:46:54 PM  
1 votes:
FTA:

If you want smaller government and you want the government out of people's private lives, you need to support the legalization of marijuana. It's the logically consistent viewpoint for a conservative.

Not sure if conservative or clever plot....

My view is the law criminalizes commerce. It criminalizes gardening. And it criminalizes your right to do what you want with your body so long as you're not violating anyone else's liberties.

You sir, are no conservative.
 
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