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2013-04-17 05:29:51 PM  
From the article:

"My view is the law criminalizes commerce. It criminalizes gardening. And it criminalizes your right to do what you want with your body so long as you're not violating anyone else's liberties."

This is exactly what you would expect to hear out of a Conservative's mouth. I'm very happy someone with a microphone was able to articulate it so clearly and concisely. It's a damn shame the nanny-left has convinced the brainwashed masses that conservatism equals extremism.
 
2013-04-17 05:32:13 PM  
You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?
 
2013-04-17 05:33:04 PM  

SultanofSchwing: lol Ontario Liberals acting like the Liberal Party made any real effort to Legalize weed...Jean's bill was abandoned from US pressure and Martin's was a PR stunt before his whole cabinet was kicked out.


caving to economic blackmail = no real effort apparently

From what I remember Canada backed down from legalization because due to blackmail and opted for decriminalization...  I have a very poor memory though...

/PR stunt... yeah probably.
 
2013-04-17 05:36:56 PM  
After DOMA is struck down, cannabis laws in the U.S. will be next, as more and more states move to legalize either medical or recreational use of cannabis.  We will soon have a majority of states with Medical Cannabis laws on the books, and several more moving towards outright legalization!  The Feds will be the last ones to agree, and only after they realize that 80% of Americans are for it, so the politicans will all scramble to be the first to say that they were for it before their opponents, and that they have consertative values that respect personal rights, responsibilities and choice - While at the same time wearing a t-shirt that says "Choose Life, Outlaw Abortions!"
 
2013-04-17 05:38:43 PM  
Conservative here -

js34603: Isn't legalization like the easiest conservative argument ever? Legalization would drastically reduce the size and cost if the federal government, and isn't reducing the size and cost of government the whole point of conservatism?


Conservatism has social aspects and not just fiscal/small government, but yes, there is no logical argument to make against legalizing pot unless you want to criminalize cigarettes and booze, which conservatives don't want to do either. For example, I believe heroin should still be illegal. Pot comes nowhere close to that, though. I'm iffy on some other drugs because I just don't know enough and really don't care.

I mean real conservatism of course, not the US kind with the gay hate, Bible thumping, and the pro-rape positions.

We don't hate gays and no one is pro-rape. Those are a bit off topic, though.
 
2013-04-17 05:41:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?


They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.
 
2013-04-17 05:43:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?

They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.


Really. I didn't realize that about Marinol. I would figure that the decriminalization of marijuana and analogues would lead to cheaper and more effective compounds than that. Still, I would argue that THC could easily be made transdermal in a purified form, especially through a carrier.

/decriminalize it.
/The medical need people benefit from it, and the recreational people stop being a drain on the medical and law enforcement system.
//fark the DOJ for their propaganda.
 
2013-04-17 05:44:36 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?

They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.


watson recently approved a generic form of dronabinol.  so no more need to legalize folks.
 
2013-04-17 05:44:42 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Hiro-ACiD: Harper isn't a stupid man, he's going to want to get out before the fit hits the shan from all his policies, and if he resigns in time for the new leader to enact some kind of "new agenda" legislation it might happen, but no way Steve will ever ever support those damn dirty liberal-hippies having a good time.
/dream on..

He's already spread enough legislative cancer for 4 terms.


Really?  Like... what?  The fed-cons have done a good job of keeping Canada out of recession.

Not sure how old you are, but the Libs decimated health care in this country.  OTOH they raised CPP so much that it was kept solvent.
 
2013-04-17 05:46:06 PM  

D135: SultanofSchwing: lol Ontario Liberals acting like the Liberal Party made any real effort to Legalize weed...Jean's bill was abandoned from US pressure and Martin's was a PR stunt before his whole cabinet was kicked out.

caving to economic blackmail = no real effort apparently

From what I remember Canada backed down from legalization because due to blackmail and opted for decriminalization...  I have a very poor memory though...

/PR stunt... yeah probably.


Fair enough, I'll give Jeanie credit in that he did try.  But I don't blame the tories for not trying since, given the track record of US border pressure if we did legalize it.  It's likely to just be a waste of time.
 
2013-04-17 05:57:48 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.

Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.


He's a complete moron and fartsucking attention whore.

I still remember when he was a big Stockwell Day supporter and called himself a "Stockaholic"

A complete toad. He's just stirring shiat up here for the farking Sun.
 
2013-04-17 06:16:30 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?

They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.


The problem w/ Marinol is that it is only a synthetic THC. THC is only one of the cannabinoids in cannabis out of hundreds and it's not even the most effective in regards to its medical benefits. CBD is much more effective as a medicine than THC and it doesn't have the intoxicating effects.
 
2013-04-17 06:29:16 PM  
End the war on drugs. Stop funneling money into guns and choppers and prisons.

Use that money for education, rehabilitation, and community services. Enrich our neighborhoods.
 
2013-04-17 06:30:49 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hardinparamedic: You know, I've got an honest question for the THC Medical Advocates out there.

THC is fat soluble, right? What would be wrong with the development of a transdermal patch system like they have for pain and nausea control with medicines currently on the market? It would be healthier and safer than inhalation (severe COPD and pulmonary conditions are aggrevated by inhaling smoke), and easier and cheaper than vaporizing.

And why focus on THC? Why not the development of better cannabinoid substances which better target the endocanabanoid receptors you're using them for?

They've already tried synthetic THC, look up Marinol. It's big pharma's way of saying "Hey look, we've got something that's like marijuana, but we control it (and by extension, profit from it)!"

It's actually not very good at all. Since the patient can't actually control the dosage the same way they could by inhaling it, many patients experience nausea and headaches, the very thing it's supposed to relieve.

It's also UNBELIEVABLY expensive. With one week's dose being more than a whole month's supply of the regular, illegal one.

Most patients that are prescribed it give it up after a while and move back to the illegal stuff. It's easier to get, easier to control, and much less expensive.


It also doesnt work at all. Eaten em by the handull.
didnt do shiat. Placebo is all it is. not just my opinion but that of the dozen or so people that ive eaten them with.

pure crap
 
2013-04-17 06:48:38 PM  

radarlove: Which, of course, is all moot anyways, since urinalysis tests are remarkably easy to beat.

HINT: Half the employees who test clean smoked a joint on the way to the pee-lab.


I've always said that if they're only doing urine tests, they're not trying to find drug users, they're trying to find stupid drug users.
 
2013-04-17 06:48:56 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Is it even illegal here? I mean, I pick up a fat-sac-o-chronic every now and again and I have zero concerns about the cops.


Half of downtown Vancouver was smoking it after the Olympics Gold Medal Hockey game win. Cops don't care. They're more worried about 1 drunk than 100 stoners.

/Doesn't do it. Don't care if you want to.
 
2013-04-17 06:50:29 PM  

sithon: yep , conservatives in Canada are far left of their US counterparts . Even the most conservative like Harper .


the direction "right" is left of US conservatives.
 
2013-04-17 06:53:56 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: radarlove: Which, of course, is all moot anyways, since urinalysis tests are remarkably easy to beat.

HINT: Half the employees who test clean smoked a joint on the way to the pee-lab.

I've always said that if they're only doing urine tests, they're not trying to find drug users, they're trying to find stupid drug users.


Stupid drug users (potheads who don't know how to cheat the test) and potheads. I could go on a damn meth binge and piss clean in three days. Smoke a bowl every day after work and I'm pissing dirty for over a month.
 
2013-04-17 06:55:34 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.

Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.


I've known Ezra since our student politics days.  He was a fully-formed douchebag even then.
 
2013-04-17 06:57:11 PM  

SultanofSchwing: It's likely to just be a waste of time.


For the moment it is a waste of time in Canada... I'm surprised US corporations don't lead the charge...

If I was the CEO of Marlboro I would lobby the fark out of GOP,  invest heavily in hydroponic and outdoor facilities and have legislation passed so that pot is sold in corner stores, in the same cardboard packs as cigarettes.  Be the first company to have a license and the production capacity to be # 1 on a national scale.  The lobby again to have access to the market (via licencing) restricted.  Your ROI on lobbying is near infinite and the shareholders would earn a trillion dollars within 5 years.

/all those lawsuits from tobacco...  Why don't I simply change my product line to one where there is less liability?
 
2013-04-17 06:58:48 PM  
Who supports a hard line against pot?  It's those stubborn headed OLD PEOPLE.
And since old people can be counted on to vote for conservatives, they are scared to upset the old dears.

The ironic thing is that those old folks, especially those in those miserable nursing homes, would really benefit from smoking a couple of bowls a day.

Oh, well, give it time,,,,,
 
2013-04-17 07:07:30 PM  
A true Canadian Hero!

sniktbub.wdfiles.com
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!
 
2013-04-17 07:08:19 PM  

unyon: SovietCanuckistan: Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.

Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.

I've known Ezra since our student politics days.  He was a fully-formed douchebag even then.


Meh.  So was Nenshi.  Bonus: Nenshi used to hit on his female students.
 
2013-04-17 07:16:58 PM  

hubiestubert: It is pretty much the reason I support legalization.

I don't smoke weed. I don't want to smoke weed. I don't care if folks do, so long as they aren't at work. I DO want to see industrial applications explored because it makes economic sense, and the protectionist aspect to protect cotton and logging is anti- competition. It will also mean our courts and jails and prisons will clog up less, it will help eliminate some of the systemic corruption that goes with current seizure laws, and it will put people to work. New industries, new applications, less strain on our legal system and penetiniaries.

It SHOULD be something that good Conservatives embrace, the same as marriage equality, but folks have put a LOT of cash into hands to keep it illegal, and that's the issue. It is a protectionist view that favors not American firms, but select industries, and the hue and cry about the medical effects have long been used as a shield to disguise this.


100% this. All those frickin' boomers are entering their Depends years. Legalize it, tax it and buy more large Jamacian caregivers who never seem to tire of your hippie war stories.
 
2013-04-17 07:39:46 PM  

plewis: A true Canadian Hero!

[sniktbub.wdfiles.com image 339x600]
Smoke 'em if you got 'em!


I see he modeled his genitals after the Ken doll.
 
rka
2013-04-17 08:07:34 PM  

SultanofSchwing: D135: SultanofSchwing: lol Ontario Liberals acting like the Liberal Party made any real effort to Legalize weed...Jean's bill was abandoned from US pressure and Martin's was a PR stunt before his whole cabinet was kicked out.

caving to economic blackmail = no real effort apparently

From what I remember Canada backed down from legalization because due to blackmail and opted for decriminalization...  I have a very poor memory though...

/PR stunt... yeah probably.

Fair enough, I'll give Jeanie credit in that he did try.  But I don't blame the tories for not trying since, given the track record of US border pressure if we did legalize it.  It's likely to just be a waste of time.


So much for the brave sovereign nation of Canada.
 
2013-04-17 08:37:50 PM  
shanrick

I see he modeled his genitals after the Ken doll.

  Dude, it's cold up here, eh.
 
2013-04-17 11:26:36 PM  
Just made this, so looking for a place to leave it... This thread seems to be as good a place as any:

i.chzbgr.com

Carry on then.
 
2013-04-18 08:55:50 AM  
Yup...  The man is right

/conservative
//American
///Legalize It!
 
2013-04-18 09:17:37 AM  

D135: SultanofSchwing: It's likely to just be a waste of time.

For the moment it is a waste of time in Canada... I'm surprised US corporations don't lead the charge...

If I was the CEO of Marlboro I would lobby the fark out of GOP,  invest heavily in hydroponic and outdoor facilities and have legislation passed so that pot is sold in corner stores, in the same cardboard packs as cigarettes.  Be the first company to have a license and the production capacity to be # 1 on a national scale.  The lobby again to have access to the market (via licencing) restricted.  Your ROI on lobbying is near infinite and the shareholders would earn a trillion dollars within 5 years.

/all those lawsuits from tobacco...  Why don't I simply change my product line to one where there is less liability?



The tobacco companies have been interested in legalization for years. They see a way to increase their current reach with 'blended" products. In fact, many of them have had packs designed for years.

This is the dream tobacco companies have had since at least the 1970s, when consultants issued a secret report to Brown & Williamson touting a future product line in marijuana. "The use of marijuana today by 13 million Americans is socially the equivalent of the use of alcohol by some 100 million Americans," said the report, found among millions of documents turned over to plaintiffs during the tobacco lawsuits of the 1990s. "It is the recreational drug; the choice of a significant minority of the population. The trend in liberalization of drug laws reflects the overall change in our value system. It also has important implications for the tobacco industry in terms of an alternative product line."

http://www.samefacts.com/2012/10/drug-policy/the-tobacco-industrys-l on gstanding-desire-to-sell-marijuana-cigarettes/
http://legendsrumors.blogspot.com/2012/05/tobacco-companies-trademar ke d-dope.html
 
2013-04-18 09:27:40 AM  

Shazam999: unyon: SovietCanuckistan: Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.

Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.

I've known Ezra since our student politics days.  He was a fully-formed douchebag even then.

Meh.  So was Nenshi.  Bonus: Nenshi used to hit on his female students.


Naheed could be self-important and elitist, but he was (and is) both a smart guy and a pretty nice one.  Politics aside, I wouldn't even begin to put him in the same category as Ezra.
 
2013-04-18 09:51:52 AM  

unyon: Shazam999: unyon: SovietCanuckistan: Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.

Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.

I've known Ezra since our student politics days.  He was a fully-formed douchebag even then.

Meh.  So was Nenshi.  Bonus: Nenshi used to hit on his female students.

Naheed could be self-important and elitist, but he was (and is) both a smart guy and a pretty nice one.  Politics aside, I wouldn't even begin to put him in the same category as Ezra.


Yes, he can be a politician at times for sure. I remember I voted for him because all of the news outlets would get his opinion on many matters over the years when he was at U of C.
 
2013-04-18 11:52:45 AM  

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


Company drug testing is illegal in Canada, so it's a non-issue.
 
2013-04-18 01:31:02 PM  
Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies? Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?

aphyd: Company drug testing is illegal in Canada, so it's a non-issue.


Uh, yeah. So will marijuana still be considered a drug (a controlled substance) after they legalize it? Specifically, a substance that will continue to keep you from getting a job? No one has answered the question yet.
 
2013-04-18 01:54:13 PM  

Loadmaster: Uh, yeah. So will marijuana still be considered a drug (a controlled substance) after they legalize it? Specifically, a substance that will continue to keep you from getting a job? No one has answered the question yet.


You'd have to ask the insurance company's risk department about that one. It's likely that the insurance companies know it's a pretty low risk, but currently require testing for it as an indicator of "risk-taking" activities. If it becomes legal, and ceases to be a legal risk, they may still keep it on as an indicator of other lifestyle choices, but there's a chance they would just up your premiums like tobacco instead.
 
2013-04-18 01:55:52 PM  

Loadmaster: Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies? Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?

aphyd: Company drug testing is illegal in Canada, so it's a non-issue.

Uh, yeah. So will marijuana still be considered a drug (a controlled substance) after they legalize it? Specifically, a substance that will continue to keep you from getting a job? No one has answered the question yet.


It likely will depend on a subsequent court case where a person is denied employment solely due to usage.  I don't think anyone can predict that outcome with any certainty.

I assume it would still be a controlled substance, like alcohol and tobacco currently are.
 
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