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2013-04-17 02:46:54 PM  
FTA:

If you want smaller government and you want the government out of people's private lives, you need to support the legalization of marijuana. It's the logically consistent viewpoint for a conservative.

Not sure if conservative or clever plot....

My view is the law criminalizes commerce. It criminalizes gardening. And it criminalizes your right to do what you want with your body so long as you're not violating anyone else's liberties.

You sir, are no conservative.
 
2013-04-17 03:03:30 PM  
yep , conservatives in Canada are far left of their US counterparts . Even the most conservative like Harper .
 
2013-04-17 03:07:02 PM  
yep, Canuckians are a bunch of stoners who luv their weed, man! Really REALLY luv it! LET'S GET SOME POUTINE!!
 
2013-04-17 03:22:03 PM  

oldfarthenry: yep, Canuckians are a bunch of stoners who luv their weed, man! Really REALLY luv it! LET'S GET SOME POUTINE!!


I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."
 
2013-04-17 03:28:29 PM  

xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."


Well THC is fat soluble, but I just don't see where you're going to find fat in poutine.
 
2013-04-17 03:51:23 PM  
It is pretty much the reason I support legalization.

I don't smoke weed. I don't want to smoke weed. I don't care if folks do, so long as they aren't at work. I DO want to see industrial applications explored because it makes economic sense, and the protectionist aspect to protect cotton and logging is anti- competition. It will also mean our courts and jails and prisons will clog up less, it will help eliminate some of the systemic corruption that goes with current seizure laws, and it will put people to work. New industries, new applications, less strain on our legal system and penetiniaries.

It SHOULD be something that good Conservatives embrace, the same as marriage equality, but folks have put a LOT of cash into hands to keep it illegal, and that's the issue. It is a protectionist view that favors not American firms, but select industries, and the hue and cry about the medical effects have long been used as a shield to disguise this.
 
2013-04-17 04:37:33 PM  

Rev.K: FTA:

If you want smaller government and you want the government out of people's private lives, you need to support the legalization of marijuana. It's the logically consistent viewpoint for a conservative.

Not sure if conservative or clever plot....

My view is the law criminalizes commerce. It criminalizes gardening. And it criminalizes your right to do what you want with your body so long as you're not violating anyone else's liberties.

You sir, are no conservative.


Well, maybe not GOP-Conservative, but his arguments are conservative without being radical.
 
2013-04-17 04:38:10 PM  

xanadian: oldfarthenry: yep, Canuckians are a bunch of stoners who luv their weed, man! Really REALLY luv it! LET'S GET SOME POUTINE!!

I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."


You have the gravy part exactly right..

/so I've heard.
 
2013-04-17 04:39:05 PM  

Rev.K: xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."

Well THC is fat soluble, but I just don't see where you're going to find fat in poutine.


but you have to cook it to "activate" the THC
 
2013-04-17 04:40:18 PM  
Wait a minute, is this the same conservative government that added mandatory minimum sentences?  Of which many of them are marijuana/pedo related?
 
2013-04-17 04:40:52 PM  

Rev.K: FTA:

If you want smaller government and you want the government out of people's private lives, you need to support the legalization of marijuana. It's the logically consistent viewpoint for a conservative.

Not sure if conservative or clever plot....

My view is the law criminalizes commerce. It criminalizes gardening. And it criminalizes your right to do what you want with your body so long as you're not violating anyone else's liberties.

You sir, are no conservative.


American Republicans are not conservative.  They want gov't to intrude in some parts of life and not in others.  They're just a different form of liberal.

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.
 
2013-04-17 04:41:33 PM  
Honestly, at this point I'm surprised a case even needs to be made at all.
 
2013-04-17 04:42:26 PM  
Is it even illegal here? I mean, I pick up a fat-sac-o-chronic every now and again and I have zero concerns about the cops.
 
2013-04-17 04:43:22 PM  

cyanide64: Wait a minute, is this the same conservative government that added mandatory minimum sentences?  Of which many of them are marijuana/pedo related?


Yes, but the legal maximums for marijuana possession, shiat even growing, are quite high (lol) for recreational users.  If you're selling and trafficking the stuff however...the whole thing was just a bunch of butthurt Liberal Party hooplah.
 
2013-04-17 04:43:40 PM  
I know people working in government for Conservatives who smoke pot.

I know big time Conservative supporters (no gay marriage, no abortions) who smoke pot themselves.

Funny that they support a government which is most against legalization or decriminalization of it.
 
2013-04-17 04:44:28 PM  
Isn't legalization like the easiest conservative argument ever? Legalization would drastically reduce the size and cost if the federal government, and isn't reducing the size and cost of government the whole point of conservatism?

I mean real conservatism of course, not the US kind with the gay hate, Bible thumping, and the pro-rape positions.
 
2013-04-17 04:44:52 PM  

Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.


Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.
 
2013-04-17 04:47:32 PM  
I prefer the libertarian argument - it's not hurting anyone else, so who the fark are you to tell me I can't?
 
2013-04-17 04:47:53 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.

Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.


Meh, they're still better than the National Post.  Actually, used toilet paper is better than the National Post.
 
2013-04-17 04:48:23 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Rev.K: xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."

Well THC is fat soluble, but I just don't see where you're going to find fat in poutine.

but you have to cook it to "activate" the THC


Yeah, but you only need a temp of around 222F to do that and 325F to get it to bond to fat, and you'd have to keep it below 355F to keep the THC from boiling off, so that actually leaves you with a small range of where you could add canna-oil or concentrate or whatever.  Couldn't fry the fries in it, might be able to add it directly to cheese curd during the manufacturing process, but I don't know how hot they have to get the milk.  I think your best bet is the gravy.  Slow cooker on low, bit of hash, and a good high-fat gravy.
 
2013-04-17 04:49:44 PM  

radarlove: Jon iz teh kewl: Rev.K: xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."

Well THC is fat soluble, but I just don't see where you're going to find fat in poutine.

but you have to cook it to "activate" the THC

Yeah, but you only need a temp of around 222F to do that and 325F to get it to bond to fat, and you'd have to keep it below 355F to keep the THC from boiling off, so that actually leaves you with a small range of where you could add canna-oil or concentrate or whatever.  Couldn't fry the fries in it, might be able to add it directly to cheese curd during the manufacturing process, but I don't know how hot they have to get the milk.  I think your best bet is the gravy.  Slow cooker on low, bit of hash, and a good high-fat gravy.


Crystallize it and mix it in the salt shaker.
 
2013-04-17 04:50:51 PM  

radarlove: Jon iz teh kewl: Rev.K: xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."

Well THC is fat soluble, but I just don't see where you're going to find fat in poutine.

but you have to cook it to "activate" the THC

Yeah, but you only need a temp of around 222F to do that and 325F to get it to bond to fat, and you'd have to keep it below 355F to keep the THC from boiling off, so that actually leaves you with a small range of where you could add canna-oil or concentrate or whatever.  Couldn't fry the fries in it, might be able to add it directly to cheese curd during the manufacturing process, but I don't know how hot they have to get the milk.  I think your best bet is the gravy.  Slow cooker on low, bit of hash, and a good high-fat gravy.


the funny thing is, i've eaten weed directly out of the bag before and gotten stoned
 
2013-04-17 04:50:52 PM  
Well the way people think regarding labels now, if you're a conservative you MUST hate pot along with hating gay marriage and abortions and immigrants and all other things in agreement with The Party Line. Conservatism can't just be a concept that people may agree with to varying degrees, or at varying points.

That's what the talking heads on TV claim, anyway. You're either all or nothing. A Patriot or a RINO. Politics needs more people willing to say "I believe in X and not Y" without worrying first about their career.  This might be easier with more than 2 parties in the US, I spose.
 
2013-04-17 04:51:06 PM  
In Canada pot smokers are like gay republican preachers. You'll find lots of people claiming to be against it, but everyone is doing it.
 
2013-04-17 04:52:39 PM  
It's things like this that remind me of why I moved to Canada...
 
2013-04-17 04:53:42 PM  
After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?
 
2013-04-17 04:54:39 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: the funny thing is, i've eaten weed directly out of the bag before and gotten stoned


Oh it's doable, it's just ridiculously inefficient.  You could probably get high from packing a nug in your rectum too, if you were sensitive enough to it.  And it would actually still be way more efficient than eating it raw.
 
2013-04-17 04:55:11 PM  

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


It'll probably be the same as drinking.

You're just as likely to be fired being drunk at work as being high etc.
 
2013-04-17 04:57:04 PM  
Harper isn't a stupid man, he's going to want to get out before the fit hits the shan from all his policies, and if he resigns in time for the new leader to enact some kind of "new agenda" legislation it might happen, but no way Steve will ever ever support those damn dirty liberal-hippies having a good time.
/dream on..
 
2013-04-17 04:57:36 PM  
In other words the same Randian bullshiat we've been fed for decades. STFU and get back to work.
 
2013-04-17 04:58:34 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?

It'll probably be the same as drinking.

You're just as likely to be fired being drunk at work as being high etc.


what if you need it for your social anxiety at work
 
2013-04-17 04:59:28 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: SultanofSchwing: Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?

It'll probably be the same as drinking.

You're just as likely to be fired being drunk at work as being high etc.

what if you need it for your social anxiety at work


Stop being a sissy then.
 
2013-04-17 05:00:18 PM  

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em. Otherwise you're just punishing hard-working people who might like to toke after work instead of having a beer.
 
2013-04-17 05:00:39 PM  

Electromax: Well the way people think regarding labels now, if you're a conservative you MUST hate pot along with hating gay marriage and abortions and immigrants and all other things in agreement with The Party Line. Conservatism can't just be a concept that people may agree with to varying degrees, or at varying points.

That's what the talking heads on TV claim, anyway. You're either all or nothing. A Patriot or a RINO. Politics needs more people willing to say "I believe in X and not Y" without worrying first about their career.  This might be easier with more than 2 parties in the US, I spose.


This.

US conservatives believe that everything would be perfect if we went back to the norms of the 50s.  The 1850s that is.  Beyond that, they have no "thought".
 
2013-04-17 05:00:53 PM  

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


The law, in Colorado at least, specifically states that employers retain their rights to terminate employees for cannabis usage.  This is a right that businesses have that extends far beyond cannabis, and I suspect that it will remain that way in the case of federal legalization.

Which, of course, is all moot anyways, since urinalysis tests are remarkably easy to beat.

HINT:  Half the employees who test clean smoked a joint on the way to the pee-lab.
 
2013-04-17 05:01:39 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: Harper isn't a stupid man, he's going to want to get out before the fit hits the shan from all his policies, and if he resigns in time for the new leader to enact some kind of "new agenda" legislation it might happen, but no way Steve will ever ever support those damn dirty liberal-hippies having a good time.
/dream on..


He's already spread enough legislative cancer for 4 terms.
 
2013-04-17 05:01:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?

Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em. Otherwise you're just punishing hard-working people who might like to toke after work instead of having a beer.


I would agree with you, but I don't know if the guys over in IT are watching me post this...
 
2013-04-17 05:02:01 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em.


Random drug testing exists because targeting people specifically for drug tests leads to lawsuits.  "Why did you think I was drugged up at work, is it because I'm black?"
 
2013-04-17 05:04:24 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: radarlove: Jon iz teh kewl: Rev.K: xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

the funny thing is, i've eaten weed directly out of the bag before and gotten stoned


And here is some free Total FARK for that last comment.
 
2013-04-17 05:05:20 PM  

lennavan: scottydoesntknow: Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em.

Random drug testing exists because targeting people specifically for drug tests leads to lawsuits.  "Why did you think I was drugged up at work, is it because I'm black?"


Then do away with it completely and fire them for every other reason you can fire someone. If someone's doing their job, I don't care how high they got last night.
 
2013-04-17 05:09:26 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Shazam999: Rev.K: FTA:

Ezra Levant though is far too right wing for any party in Canada though.

Ezra is in a league of his own when it comes to dickbaggery. You can't even comment on his columns in The Sun. Mind you, The Sun is in a league of its own when it comes to dickbaggery.


100% correct.  That little pissant Levant and his buddy Mark Steyn belong in the USA.
 
2013-04-17 05:11:56 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: what if you need it for your social anxiety at work


Or, as any retail worker an attest to, the dreaded "working in retail"
 
2013-04-17 05:14:59 PM  
Canada may get around to legalization if Republican senators / congress critters don't go all "We're shutting down the Canadian border... they grow the crack-cocaine of pot" again.

/Legalization is the smartest option, which is why it will never happen
//American conservatives won't let it happen
///Harper would never let legalization be his legacy anyway
 
2013-04-17 05:17:15 PM  

Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?


they'll have to come up with a test to see if you're actually under the influence or not.
this bullshiat method they have now that can nail you weeks after you smoke a joint is just that. bullshiat
 
2013-04-17 05:18:34 PM  
It's a known fact that Marijuana is a satanic temptation which causes violent crime. Watch the well-vetted documentary Reefer Madness if you want facts.

Look at that Congressman from NY yesterday! A god-fearing Republican man reduced to smoking a doobie and breaking the law.

www.ohspress.com
 
2013-04-17 05:19:59 PM  
lol Ontario Liberals acting like the Liberal Party made any real effort to Legalize weed...Jean's bill was abandoned from US pressure and Martin's was a PR stunt before his whole cabinet was kicked out.
 
2013-04-17 05:21:29 PM  

Farce-Side: scottydoesntknow: Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?

Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em. Otherwise you're just punishing hard-working people who might like to toke after work instead of having a beer.

I would agree with you, but I don't know if the guys over in IT are watching me post this...


It is my understanding that it is the IT guys who are usually packing...
 
2013-04-17 05:23:18 PM  

Rev.K: xanadian: I wonder if there's any step in the poutine-making process where you could use marijuana....

"I'll have the poutine with the special gravy, please..."

Well THC is fat soluble, but I just don't see where you're going to find fat in poutine.


Are you kidding rel poutine is a heart attack on a plate
 
2013-04-17 05:24:14 PM  

D135: Canada may get around to legalization if Republican senators / congress critters don't go all "We're shutting down the Canadian border... they grow the crack-cocaine of pot" again.


Agreed. The US threatened to slow down the border crossings last time any Canadian politicians talked about legalizing drugs. They were ready to fully inspect every vehicle.
 
2013-04-17 05:28:01 PM  
quansem: Farce-Side: scottydoesntknow: Loadmaster: After they legalize the mj, how many new users will no longer be employable because of company drug policies?

Or will companies be forced to allow employees to smoke weed and still have a job?

Random drug tests are farking retarded and should be done away with. If you think someone is drugged up at work or their work is suffering, then test 'em. Otherwise you're just punishing hard-working people who might like to toke after work instead of having a beer.

I would agree with you, but I don't know if the guys over in IT are watching me post this...


It is my understanding that it is the IT guys who are usually packing...


Yeah, well, that's cause it's good for your brain.. not bad. People who think alot.. like to chill alot, and cant afford toxicity like a manufacting guy can. Creativity dont work like that.
 
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