Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(NumberFire)   How Bill Belichick screwed the Steelers   (numberfire.com) divider line 70
    More: Interesting, Steelers, Bill Belichick, Danny Amendola, Bruce Gradkowski, Dick Butkus, Jerricho Cotchery, Kevin Colbert, Rashard Mendenhall  
•       •       •

5660 clicks; posted to Sports » on 17 Apr 2013 at 4:03 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



70 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-04-17 12:37:05 PM  
Um, lets talk about how he screwed the Jets first
 
2013-04-17 01:11:52 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
Dick move!!!!
 
2013-04-17 01:48:06 PM  
Why did he do this? You can sit here and point to various football reasons - Sanders is #22 in defense-adjusted receiving efficiency on a per-play basis, he plugs into the Patriots system well, and so on - but let's be totally clear about the main reason, the one angle that no one seems to be bringing up.

Belichick rightly knew that the Steelers couldn't lose Sanders


I'm no fan of Belichick (being a Bills fan, I have special dislike for that whole Patriots organization) but come on- really? He didn't get the player cause he was a good fit for his system, he got the player cause it would screw the other team?
 
2013-04-17 01:58:46 PM  
He made them complacent all those years he was coaching in Cleveland?
 
2013-04-17 03:07:29 PM  

GrahamManning: Um, lets talk about how he screwed the Jets first


The Jets have never needed help screwing themseves.
 
2013-04-17 04:09:28 PM  
There are plenty of reasons why Belichick is a master strategist.  This is not one of them.

Then again, the author of TFA thinks that Willie Colon was a major loss for the Steelers, too.  Maybe he should spend less time trying to bring sabrmetrics to football (where it really doesn't belong) and more time watching the sport.
 
2013-04-17 04:10:26 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Why did he do this? You can sit here and point to various football reasons - Sanders is #22 in defense-adjusted receiving efficiency on a per-play basis, he plugs into the Patriots system well, and so on - but let's be totally clear about the main reason, the one angle that no one seems to be bringing up.

Belichick rightly knew that the Steelers couldn't lose Sanders

I'm no fan of Belichick (being a Bills fan, I have special dislike for that whole Patriots organization) but come on- really? He didn't get the player cause he was a good fit for his system, he got the player cause it would screw the other team?


He didnt even get the player. He made an offer forcing the Steelers to match it. He wasn't even the only one who offered Sanders.

Did Bill Simmons write this? It's a little thick on the evil genius angle for a pretty pedestrian move.
 
2013-04-17 04:17:19 PM  

js34603: Did Bill Simmons write this? It's a little thick on the evil genius angle for a pretty pedestrian move.


There were no quotes from Karate Kid or Teen Wolf, so I'd say that rules Simmons out.
 
2013-04-17 04:20:44 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: js34603: Did Bill Simmons write this? It's a little thick on the evil genius angle for a pretty pedestrian move.

There were no quotes from Karate Kid or Teen Wolf, so I'd say that rules Simmons out.


He didnt mention his dad or his buddy Jack-o, either. I'm thinking you're right.
 
2013-04-17 04:22:06 PM  
Stone Cold screeewed Steve Austin!
i759.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-17 04:25:00 PM  
Everything this man does is brilliant. And such a snappy dresser too.
 
2013-04-17 04:29:02 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: js34603: Did Bill Simmons write this? It's a little thick on the evil genius angle for a pretty pedestrian move.

There were no quotes from Karate Kid or Teen Wolf, so I'd say that rules Simmons out.


No shiat. And you know what? Emanuel Sanders is worth 2.5 mil. Sucks to spend an extra 500k but it's a one year deal fer chrissakes. Garden varoety bullshiat. Truth is the pats would have loved to had sanders at the same number if the steelers hadn't matched. Seems to me that this is a rather garden variety transaction and as the nfl goes, a pretty goddam cheap one.
 
2013-04-17 04:30:41 PM  

SilentStrider: GrahamManning: Um, lets talk about how he screwed the Jets first

The Jets have never needed help screwing themseves.


Yeah, they're always stepping in it.
 
2013-04-17 04:32:08 PM  
Hey - I don't recall - how many SuperBowls has Billy B. won since they caught him cheating?
 
2013-04-17 04:33:47 PM  
i902.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-17 04:34:11 PM  

justadadX3: Hey - I don't recall - how many SuperBowls has Billy B. won since they caught him cheating?


Don't worry, they have another one coming this year if history is any indication.
 
2013-04-17 04:34:35 PM  
Stating the obvious here - Lifelong Steeler fan.  I hate that man - but at the same time - he ALWAYS has his team prepared for the Steelers - he totally had Cowher's number, and has a pretty good record against Mike T.  Belichick - you magnificent bastard.
 
2013-04-17 04:37:09 PM  
Wait so Bruce Gradkowski is replacing Willie Colon? Some fine reporting there, Lou.
 
2013-04-17 04:39:45 PM  
<i>the newly signed Michael Jenkins (0.72 expected points added, same as Welker) </i>

[lol_whut.jpg]
 
2013-04-17 04:44:01 PM  

justadadX3: Hey - I don't recall - how many SuperBowls has Billy B. won since they caught him cheating?


How many superbowl's has he reached since then, relative to your team?
 
2013-04-17 04:47:22 PM  
"If the Steelers chose not to match, they would have received a 3rd round pick in what is generally held to be a weak year for WRs."

Wait, now it's considered a weak year for WRs? It (supposedly) doesn't have elite WRs, but it has TONS of guys who are expected to be decent players, kinda like Sanders is.
 
2013-04-17 04:47:59 PM  
How subby screwed fark. That article is a mess.
 
2013-04-17 04:58:37 PM  
Oh great, an article full of speculation with a paywall built in! Now all it needs is an autoplaying video.
 
2013-04-17 04:59:32 PM  

DoctorOfLove: justadadX3: Hey - I don't recall - how many SuperBowls has Billy B. won since they caught him cheating?

How many superbowl's has he reached since then, relative to your team?


2008 Pats lose
2009 Steelers WIN
2011 Steelers LOSE (Quite badly at that - props to GBPs)
2012 Pats lose

Tally - Since cheating - Pats 0-2 in SB.  Steelers 1-1.

Overall - Steelers 6:8  Pats 3:6.

Any other questions?
 
2013-04-17 05:00:37 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: There are plenty of reasons why Belichick is a master strategist.  This is not one of them.

Then again, the author of TFA thinks that Willie Colon was a major loss for the Steelers, too.  Maybe he should spend less time trying to bring sabrmetrics to football (where it really doesn't belong) and more time watching the sport.


Colon stinks and was a short term band aid that was going to be replaced by Decastro. I like how he forgets that Gradkowski was brought in to replace Batch/Leftwich and is most definately an upgrade too. Wallace was a baby who pouted and slacked because he didn't get his money and now that he has it, I wouldn't be surprised to see him underperform. Mendenhal won't be missed and is pobably a bigger crybaby than Wallace. Remember when he didn't show up when he found out he wasn't going to start? fark him. The offense isn't in all that terrible shape. The defense though.....
 
2013-04-17 05:04:06 PM  

IAmRight: "If the Steelers chose not to match, they would have received a 3rd round pick in what is generally held to be a weak year for WRs."

Wait, now it's considered a weak year for WRs? It (supposedly) doesn't have elite WRs, but it has TONS of guys who are expected to be decent players, kinda like Sanders is.


This is where I stopped reading. The WR group this year is really deep. There aren't, like, five Randy Mosses, but there are a bunch of guys as talented as Sanders.  Belichick would just rather use a third on a WR with NFL experience who will contribute more this year. Brady's NFL clock is ticking after all.
 
2013-04-17 05:06:19 PM  

justadadX3: 2008 Pats lose
2009 Steelers WIN paid off the refs
2011 Steelers LOSE (Quite badly at that - props to GBPs)
2012 Pats lose

Tally - Since cheating - Pats 0-2 in SB. Steelers 1-1.

Overall - Steelers 6:8 Pats 3:6.

Any other questions?


FTFY
 
2013-04-17 05:13:14 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: justadadX3: 2008 Pats lose
2009 Steelers WIN paid off the refs
2011 Steelers LOSE (Quite badly at that - props to GBPs)
2012 Pats lose

Tally - Since cheating - Pats 0-2 in SB. Steelers 1-1.

Overall - Steelers 6:8 Pats 3:6.

Any other questions?

FTFY


It is amazing how cheap refs are these days - you should try it!!!  Because if there is corruption anywhere - it is in NFL officiating.
 
2013-04-17 05:13:33 PM  
The Steelers get more from less every year. They've been starting Ramon Foster, Willie Colon, Goddamn Ike Taylor, and ham-and-eggers at running back for most of the last decade, and they're still better than most teams in the league. This year will be harder than most, but they'll still be OK.
 
2013-04-17 05:16:07 PM  

justadadX3: It is amazing how cheap refs are these days - you should try it!!! Because if there is corruption anywhere - it is in NFL officiating.


You're a clown. Corruption? Bellichick cornered the market on it.
 
2013-04-17 05:22:11 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: justadadX3: It is amazing how cheap refs are these days - you should try it!!! Because if there is corruption anywhere - it is in NFL officiating.

You're a clown. Corruption? Bellichick cornered the market on it.


(Need a sarcasm font)
 
2013-04-17 05:24:28 PM  

justadadX3: Adolf Oliver Nipples: justadadX3: It is amazing how cheap refs are these days - you should try it!!! Because if there is corruption anywhere - it is in NFL officiating.

You're a clown. Corruption? Bellichick cornered the market on it.

(Need a sarcasm font)


OOOOOOH... the headers got me messed up.
 
2013-04-17 05:26:36 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: justadadX3: 2008 Pats lose
2009 Steelers WIN paid off the refs
2011 Steelers LOSE (Quite badly at that - props to GBPs)
2012 Pats lose

Tally - Since cheating - Pats 0-2 in SB. Steelers 1-1.

Overall - Steelers 6:8 Pats 3:6.

Any other questions?

FTFY


2009? More like Stealers ...

But hey, at least Bill Bellicose isnt a rapist.

/lifetime hate for the Pats and Steelers
 
2013-04-17 05:29:17 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Steelers get more from less every year. They've been starting Ramon Foster, Willie Colon, Goddamn Ike Taylor, and ham-and-eggers at running back for most of the last decade, and they're still better than most teams in the league. This year will be harder than most, but they'll still be OK.


It caught up with them last year, though.  They let their core get old and have been terrible at the draft in recent years (their top picks are injured or underperform for the most part, and their later round picks probably shouldn't be playing in the NFL, but they just don't have anyone better).  They also haven't been as active in free agency as they should have been because they have had cap woes for the past two years.  Last year, it was clear that the Steelers needed to start rebuilding, make cap room and draft well, but they tried to ride it out one more year- and it didn't work.  Instead they had a soap opera with Mike Wallace and let it go on for far too long.
 
2013-04-17 05:33:18 PM  
How Bill Belichick screwed the Steelers

He forced them into a bathroom while his buddy kept watch?
 
2013-04-17 05:37:14 PM  
The most notable FA loss has been Mike Wallace - although according to our metrics, it doesn't hurt as bad as you would think

That's as far as I got.  When did fantasy football graphs suddenly become legitimate reporting?
 
2013-04-17 05:42:15 PM  

IAmRight: it's considered a weak year for WRs?


By the experts? Well then, that means it's going to be an excellent year for WR's. For my money the draft experts are the last people you want to call when you want to know something about the nfl draft. It's become a yearly comedy at this point.
 
2013-04-17 05:51:30 PM  
It kind of matters....But the Steelers are going to suck big time due to no offensive line and a broke defense. Rothlisraper can only take so much before he gets broken.

/Yep, I'm a fan. They go through these cycles.
 
2013-04-17 05:51:39 PM  

js34603: Wait so Bruce Gradkowski is replacing Willie Colon? Some fine reporting there, Lou.


Football players are fungible. Everybody knows that.
 
2013-04-17 05:55:56 PM  

js34603: justadadX3: Hey - I don't recall - how many SuperBowls has Billy B. won since they caught him cheating?

Don't worry, they have another one coming this year if history is any indication.


It's not.

/Bears fan who reads fondly about the very early dominance of the team.
 
2013-04-17 06:33:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Why did he do this? You can sit here and point to various football reasons - Sanders is #22 in defense-adjusted receiving efficiency on a per-play basis, he plugs into the Patriots system well, and so on - but let's be totally clear about the main reason, the one angle that no one seems to be bringing up.

Belichick rightly knew that the Steelers couldn't lose Sanders

I'm no fan of Belichick (being a Bills fan, I have special dislike for that whole Patriots organization) but come on- really? He didn't get the player cause he was a good fit for his system, he got the player cause it would screw the other team?


The way I was reading it, he was trying to bluff the Steelers, knowing they'd either lose Sanders or get screwed on the salary cap, so he won either way.

Being a Steelers fan, I am NOT happy with the way they've been hemorrhaging players this year, part of what I like about the Steelers is that a large portion of their players will play their entire careers with them, or at least retire from the team, if they came from elsewhere. I'm not going to be happy if they end up trading motherfarkers left and right like every other team.
 
2013-04-17 06:35:00 PM  
This is the stupidest football article I've ever read that wasn't on ESPN.......
 
2013-04-17 06:39:48 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: justadadX3: 2008 Pats lose
2009 Steelers WIN paid off the refs
2011 Steelers LOSE (Quite badly at that - props to GBPs)
2012 Pats lose

Tally - Since cheating - Pats 0-2 in SB. Steelers 1-1.

Overall - Steelers 6:8 Pats 3:6.

Any other questions?

FTFY


Oh look guys, someone who is not familiar with the Arizona Cardinals in the least!!

Seriously, the Cards are the absolute shiattiest team in the NFL, they're so streaky they should get sponsored by Windex. Look at that season, they started out strong, then dropped the farking ball, woke up just in time to make it through the playoffs, and then made it to the big game. Streak over, time for them to suck. Seriously, even if I wasn't a Steelers fan, I would have bet $1,000 that I didn't have on the Cards losing. No matter who they played. Until that team gets new ownership, nothing they lose will surprise me. They could play my high school football team who broke a national losing streak my sophomore year(In other words, the other team had the national record for losing until we lost to them), and they would still lose if they had won more than 3 games previously.

/Cardinals suck.
 
2013-04-17 06:42:14 PM  

skrame: js34603: justadadX3: Hey - I don't recall - how many SuperBowls has Billy B. won since they caught him cheating?

Don't worry, they have another one coming this year if history is any indication.

It's not.

/Bears fan who reads fondly about the very early dominance of the team.


If you mean the Bears, it was damn near 30 years ago, time to move on. Give Ditka this message too
 
2013-04-17 07:24:40 PM  
and here i thought it was us getting screwed for getting linked to a registration-only page!

/how is it that these people get headlines greened?
 
2013-04-17 07:31:02 PM  
I'm still not totally clear how this is "screwing" the Steelers. I don't totally understand why the Steelers didn't give him a higher tender, but, they were going to have to pay him something if he stayed anyhow. Are the rules such that the Steelers can't offer him a long-term deal this season?

He's a bit of a question mark and coming off of a decent season. If he signed the tender and no one bid on him wouldn't the deal be for $1.5M next season? I get that they are close to the top of the cap, but I'm not sure how the Steelers paying him $2.5M vs. $1.5m is going to change that significantly.

I remember reading that teams don't normally sign players to one year deals. That's fine, but what's the controversy
 
2013-04-17 07:31:13 PM  
i think 95% of the stuff BB does is pretty widespread throughout the NFL, guy is such a scarecrow for the media and fans because he wears a hoodie and mumbles
 
2013-04-17 07:43:27 PM  

JohnHall: I'm still not totally clear how this is "screwing" the Steelers. I don't totally understand why the Steelers didn't give him a higher tender, but, they were going to have to pay him something if he stayed anyhow. Are the rules such that the Steelers can't offer him a long-term deal this season?

He's a bit of a question mark and coming off of a decent season. If he signed the tender and no one bid on him wouldn't the deal be for $1.5M next season? I get that they are close to the top of the cap, but I'm not sure how the Steelers paying him $2.5M vs. $1.5m is going to change that significantly.

I remember reading that teams don't normally sign players to one year deals. That's fine, but what's the controversy


The Steeler currently have around 750,000 left in cap room because of this, and I think 3 open roaster slots. The additional million they are having pay Sanders is all on the cap, and was more then half of remaining cap room that they had left.
 
2013-04-17 07:59:11 PM  

overfienduglar: The Steeler currently have around 750,000 left in cap room because of this, and I think 3 open roaster slots. The additional million they are having pay Sanders is all on the cap, and was more then half of remaining cap room that they had left.


They were having cap problems before and they are having cap problems after. A mil either way isn't gonna make that much difference. My takeaway from this is... the steelers have cap problems. It ain't like they were gonna sign a bunch of proven starters (or retain desirable veterans) with a million and a half bucks. They either cut some dead weight or lose some guys they want to keep. I suspect they'll go ahead and field the team. No one keeps everyone they'd like to keep. maybe bellicheck is a genius, but like the other guy said, it ain't because of this. He offered Sanders at 2.5 mil because he wanted Sanders at 2.5 mil., not to fark the steelers. The steelers decided he was worth keeping at that number. They would not have likewise been geniuses to 'stick' the pats with sanders at 2.5 mil - they'd have been light at WR. Like the pats are. Conclusion - sanders is worth 2.5 mil and I don't see what the fuss is all about. I can't believe people are discussing a one year deal at this number like it's the arod deal or something.
 
2013-04-17 08:10:43 PM  

overfienduglar: JohnHall: I'm still not totally clear how this is "screwing" the Steelers. I don't totally understand why the Steelers didn't give him a higher tender, but, they were going to have to pay him something if he stayed anyhow. Are the rules such that the Steelers can't offer him a long-term deal this season?

He's a bit of a question mark and coming off of a decent season. If he signed the tender and no one bid on him wouldn't the deal be for $1.5M next season? I get that they are close to the top of the cap, but I'm not sure how the Steelers paying him $2.5M vs. $1.5m is going to change that significantly.

I remember reading that teams don't normally sign players to one year deals. That's fine, but what's the controversy

The Steeler currently have around 750,000 left in cap room because of this, and I think 3 open roaster slots. The additional million they are having pay Sanders is all on the cap, and was more then half of remaining cap room that they had left.


The Steelers have cap problems every year. Part of the price of contending every year I suppose. They never tear it all down and start over like the shiatty franchises have to, which can lead to years with a ton of cap room. For example, the Browns. Tons of cap room because their roster was shiat and they have been replaced with cheap young guys.

Of course this means they have an "experienced" (aka old) roster, but it also means they stay relatively consistent year to year as opposed to a few 3 win seasons followed by a playoff run or two before going back to three win seasons.

Point being, the hooded genius didn't do anything to the Steelers they don't deal with every year.
 
Displayed 50 of 70 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report