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2013-04-17 02:51:00 PM

UrCa: If you're expecting Skyrim in multiplayer format, I've got some bad news for you...


No, I'm expecting an MMO with a simplified interface.  Saw the leaked video from a few days ago.
 
2013-04-17 02:53:23 PM

FunkOut: I just mean if it's gotten that bad, maybe it's not worth it anymore.


Oh, it is still worth it.  There are still some gems out there.  Whether they be large titles (Bioshock), Old made new (Fallout), Independent (FTL, KSP) and the anticipation of upcoming titles (Thief) it is still a worthwhile hobby.

But are we not allowed to complain when an existing  well loved franchise gets mangled in the name of profits?  It's like taking a beloved landmark and watching it get converted into a strip mall.  Sure, the essence of it is still there, but it just isn't the same anymore.

And this is not a rant about "selling out".  I love the fact that video gaming has become more popular then movies, I love that I am part of a large community of people that I can share experiences with, and that their are more options available for my hobby.  It's just that I am seeing trends in the industry that I don't like, that I see might be harmful to what I love. So I speak up, try to make my voice heard.  Will they listen?  Probably not, but I am at least trying to fight for it.  I don't shop at Wal Mart either, and I know that them not getting $50 a week from me isn't really hurting them, but I still do it, because it is all I can do it seems.
 
2013-04-17 03:03:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: I could imagine Sh*ttyWok guy using those stanchions to map out the entire town and force people to go where the rope says so. Maybe electrify them (or go with the Simpsons "nobody crosses the velvet rope!") to keep the south park people from crossing over. Randy is forced to work at the Coffee Shop Tweak's dad owns, Tweak's dad has to go the geologist lab where Randy works, etc.


Or pair Randy with a different wife every night. That could be some laughs. But I can't think of a way to make Sh**yWok guy the unquestioned ruler of South Park.

And how do make all the building flicker?


OH DAMN I JUST THOUGHT OF IT!! flickering building did it!

Sh**yWok guy unlocks some ancient Chinese knowledge and gets the liability to cloud men's minds! Uses powers to make all the other things happen.

I make myself laugh
 
2013-04-17 03:49:36 PM

FunkOut: Burr: FunkOut: TeDDD: You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.

Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.

God forbid people have negative reactions to a substantial change in their hobby that they have been passionately involved with for the past 25 years... especially when some company buys a beloved franchise and that has an almost 20 year legacy and makes it a shadow of it's former self in the name of greed....

I just mean if it's gotten that bad, maybe it's not worth it anymore. Maybe people should be learning how to build houses out of concrete and booze bottles or taking up knitting or something. There isn't a mismanaged idiot company taking your cash and you have a finished item.



That's like giving up on all music just because you can't stand Justin Bieber. I've been a gamer since I could hold an Atari joystick in my hands, and it's still a fun hobby. However, like every other pursuit, you have to be smart and not indiscriminantly throw your money around. I was NOT one of the people who pre-ordered SimCity, for instance, because I was informed enough to know that I wouldn't like it. I rarely pay $60 for a single game unless I absolutely know it's something I'll enjoy. That's why I read reviews and wait a while before thinking about getting a big release. Besides, thanks to Steam Sales, GOG, and the Humble Bundle, I've already got a pretty good backlog to keep me occupied. (I recently got a PS3, so now I have yet another backlog to play through.)

That's why gaming is still worth it to me. I can see these issues and avoid them, because nothing is forcing me to put up with a few companies and titles that are awful. I am free to play games I know I'll enjoy, and I plan to do that my whole life.
 
2013-04-17 04:00:03 PM

FunkOut: TeDDD: You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.

Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.


Nope. Reading comic books is the true stations of the cross. Either everything is the same, so it's boring, or everything is changed and it sucks.
 
2013-04-17 05:12:33 PM
One of my problems with DLC is it is out too soon, when the developers want us to hold on to and play our games longer. (Or so they say, to help fight used game sales.)

Why, for example, are they offering a season pass to Bioshock Infinite, a game that just came out? DLC that hasn't been made yet. The DLC they SHOULD be working on is more content for Bioshock 1.

Why have another Skyrim DLC pack, when they should make something for say, Oblivion. Update the graphics/game to meet Skyrim standards or somesuch.

By releasing DLC so quickly, and for "current games", the game companies turn a $60 into a $90 game.
 
2013-04-17 05:23:06 PM

ParadoxDice: One of my problems with DLC is it is out too soon, when the developers want us to hold on to and play our games longer. (Or so they say, to help fight used game sales.)

Why, for example, are they offering a season pass to Bioshock Infinite, a game that just came out? DLC that hasn't been made yet. The DLC they SHOULD be working on is more content for Bioshock 1.

Why have another Skyrim DLC pack, when they should make something for say, Oblivion. Update the graphics/game to meet Skyrim standards or somesuch.

By releasing DLC so quickly, and for "current games", the game companies turn a $60 into a $90 game.


Out too soon? It was over 6 months before Dawnguard was released for Skyrim. A year for Dragonborn. No developer will dedicate time and money (emphasis on money $$$$$$$) to games that have outlived their playtime. The modding community on PC will, but the devs are done after a certain point.

And Season Passes are a way for developers to gauge how many people want DLCs and also guaranteeing a purchase through it. Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).
 
2013-04-17 05:36:19 PM

rpm: madgonad: Day 1 DLC is always complaint worthy - especially for full priced games

No, it's not.

On the disk? Complaint worthy.
Obviously cut out of the game? Complaint worthy
If they just used the time delay between gold and release for further tweaking, it's fine.

Of course given modern business practices, those first two are far more common.


In the case of SimCity the day one DLC was to give people access to the limited edition items if they didn't buy that version.

Not sure why people complain about this, to me it's a lot worse to not give that option. X-com for example held out the ability to change your units colors.  why couldn't this be day on DLC?  Why is it even DLC?

For me taking out the option to customize your units is way way worse than the stuff people complain about in regards to SimCity.

But yeah, the X-com makers aren't EA so they aren't 'cool' to hate for their ridiculous DLC.
 
2013-04-17 05:40:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).


But it requires several assumptions.  The first being that the DLC, which you have zero idea what it is, is to your tastes or improves/adds to an area of the game you wanted more of.  The second is that the DLC will be released in a timely fashion (you do not have the proposed release dates).

So you know nothing about it or when it will be available and they want £20 for quite literally nothing at this point.

No matter how much you like the vanilla game or the wish to show your loyalty to any particular development studio/publisher... buying the season pass the day the game is release is not a sound financial decision.

Once the DLC's are out and you can look at reviews and such of them it's a different story obviously.
 
2013-04-17 06:35:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: Out too soon? It was over 6 months before Dawnguard was released for Skyrim. A year for Dragonborn. No developer will dedicate time and money (emphasis on money $$$$$$$) to games that have outlived their playtime. The modding community on PC will, but the devs are done after a certain point.

And Season Passes are a way for developers to gauge how many people want DLCs and also guaranteeing a purchase through it. Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).


Very true about the money, but I had read somewhere (Gamespot most likely) that game developers want to use DLC to have us hold on to our games longer in an effort to fight used game sales. Folks will hold a game longer if there's a reason to go back to it later down the road.

So, rather than offer me some DLC 6 months down the road, when I'd still be playing the game, or more likely just getting tired of playing it, they could offer me some NEW content for an older game.

As for ads in SimCity; I would be fine with it if the game was free to play. That's the whole point of having ads in games. You can get many games/apps for free with advertising, or pay a price for the "ad free" version.
 
2013-04-17 06:37:58 PM

rpm: madgonad: Day 1 DLC is always complaint worthy - especially for full priced games

No, it's not.

On the disk? Complaint worthy.
Obviously cut out of the game? Complaint worthy
If they just used the time delay between gold and release for further tweaking, it's fine.

Of course given modern business practices, those first two are far more common.


Example of that? You can usually see the tear marks and patch job where parts of a game are ripped out to be sold as DLC.

Klivian: Broken Steel

And forgive us for complaining about the things that we bought. If your brand new car didn't come with wiper blades and you had to pay extra, you'd be upset too. Why are gamers less able to criticize the companies they keep in business?


Yep, I went from being pissed at the ending, to being pissed that I had to buy the right ending, to getting over it since the DLC was after-the-fact and of good quality.

scottydoesntknow: I did enjoy Hearthfire, and the price was just right (only $5). Ended up building homes in all the areas, but only use the one that's near the lake (where that vampire is always trying out dark magic in the backyard).


Me too. I did think that 'adopting' was kind of a kludge. Probably brought on by not being able to get all the voice actors for romanceable characters back into the studio to provide content for an actual family path.
 
2013-04-17 06:43:45 PM

Vaneshi: scottydoesntknow: Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).

But it requires several assumptions.  The first being that the DLC, which you have zero idea what it is, is to your tastes or improves/adds to an area of the game you wanted more of.  The second is that the DLC will be released in a timely fashion (you do not have the proposed release dates).

So you know nothing about it or when it will be available and they want £20 for quite literally nothing at this point.

No matter how much you like the vanilla game or the wish to show your loyalty to any particular development studio/publisher... buying the season pass the day the game is release is not a sound financial decision.

Once the DLC's are out and you can look at reviews and such of them it's a different story obviously.


Ohh yea, I'm not saying it's a sound financial decision, but it is a deal if you're planning on getting the DLCs no matter what. Honestly I've only purchased one before, and that was for Borderlands 2. I had finished the game, loved it, started playing again and decided why the hell not, I'll trust Gearbox to put some effort into the DLCs (it's pretty much their only franchise they put effort into). Didn't hurt that my friends also got all the DLCs so we're still playing it.

The only time it can come to actually bite you in the ass would be if the company shutters its doors, like THQ. I'm pretty sure Darksiders II had a season pass, then they put 1 DLC out and shut down after that. Which is really sad because that franchise was great.
 
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2013-04-17 06:53:47 PM

madgonad: Example of that? You can usually see the tear marks and patch job where parts of a game are ripped out to be sold as DLC.


Crap. I can only think of the bad examples. I don't pay too much attention to what DLC there is, as I usually don't get it. I guess it's more of a theoretical possibility than a real one.
 
2013-04-17 07:18:02 PM
After reading all this I will go on record as saying if EA makes the dispatch fix (all city vehicles go in one line) a DLC and charges me for it they'll turn one of their biggest supports into one of their loudest critics!
 
2013-04-17 07:26:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: After reading all this I will go on record as saying if EA makes the dispatch fix (all city vehicles go in one line) a DLC and charges me for it they'll turn one of their biggest supports into one of their loudest critics!


Can't wait for them to release the Subway DLC, sponsored by Subway.

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2013-04-18 12:30:07 AM
Newest DLC pack: The jerkass.

On any stretch of road more than 2000 meters long, there is a 1 in 15 chance of the driver being a jerkass. Jerkasses speed, swerve in and out of lanes, and generally cause problems for the city. In exchange for the negative mood and congestion, the jerkass pack will allow the player to add "car explosion" to the list of natural disasters that can strike a city.
 
2013-04-18 12:47:50 AM

Klivian: And forgive us for complaining about the things that we bought. If your brand new car didn't come with wiper blades and you had to pay extra, you'd be upset too. Why are gamers less able to criticize the companies they keep in business?


I'll take a stab at this. Because as I posted above, no matter what they do gamers will complain about it, there's simply no pleasing them as a group.  Just like this deal, you buy a tube of toothpaste, something everyone uses anyway, and get free content. It's not like anyone is forcing them to buy the toothpaste and as far as I know the content you get isn't anything necessary for the game, sounds like a pretty decent deal to me, but apparently it's enough to piss off some people.

If you ask me this is just another example of everyone jumping on the "lets hate EA" bandwagon.
 
2013-04-18 03:02:25 AM

ReapTheChaos: Because as I posted above, no matter what they do gamers will complain about it, there's simply no pleasing them as a group.


You could apply the same thing to politics or any other activity that involves a large group, theoretically, agreeing on something.   Yet I don't see people running around belittling people who are Conservative but strongly dislike David Cameron.

I have purchased plenty of games which I am totally happy with in all regards (the DLC-fest of Saints Row 3 being one of them), I've purchased some absolute stinkers which I will happily rant about until the cows come home (Legends of Pegasus).

And as I said earlier, if EA had given SimCity away for free due to them using it as an advertising platform (and lets be honest here, Nissan paid a LOT of money for that in-game charging station) I would not have any major problem with it being used as such.  That they've got all these deals with other companies AND are still demanding the full RRP for the game... no, I personally don't agree with that.

In this instance, EA is double dipping.
 
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