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2013-04-17 12:02:02 PM
Maybe this is a campaign to actually clean up gamers. Next DLC will come after purchasing Axe deodorant and body wash.

/Love the actual page where they have the game next to a PS3 and 360.
//Fark EA
 
2013-04-17 12:30:11 PM
Penny Arcade is blocked at work, or I'd post the Gillete Fusion Gamer strip they did a few years ago
 
2013-04-17 12:30:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Axe deodorant and body wash


I thought we wanted to clean up gamers.....
 
2013-04-17 12:32:52 PM
A month in and I'm already bored of the game.  It's very shallow compared to past SimCities.
 
2013-04-17 12:34:12 PM

Klivian: Penny Arcade is blocked at work, or I'd post the Gillete Fusion Gamer strip they did a few years ago


www.gosugamers.net
 
2013-04-17 12:34:15 PM
Dang, man! Was this game designed to be anything other than an advertising platform?
 
2013-04-17 12:34:54 PM

Burr: scottydoesntknow: Axe deodorant and body wash

I thought we wanted to clean up gamers.....


Axe appeals to the teenage dude-bro group, which I would assume is the only group that actually likes this game, as it's as superficial as they are.
 
2013-04-17 12:40:09 PM

tricycleracer: A month in and I'm already bored of the game.  It's very shallow compared to past SimCities.


Probably because there really isn't that much to do with the game itself. I guess you could play it again when more DLC arrives.

Turns out that shrinking the game to suburb dimensions and eliminating the ability to run it as a sandbox (the city looks nice, I wonder how it would look after a few disaster hit at the same time?) kind of limits the replay value.
 
2013-04-17 12:40:16 PM

tricycleracer: A month in and I'm already bored of the game.  It's very shallow compared to past SimCities.


They already have your money.  They don't care.
 
2013-04-17 12:42:12 PM

StrangeQ: tricycleracer: A month in and I'm already bored of the game.  It's very shallow compared to past SimCities.

They already have your money.  They don't care.


When aggregate player hours decline their advertising platform will become less appealing.  Technically, my eyeballs are still worth something to them.
 
2013-04-17 12:42:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Burr: scottydoesntknow: Axe deodorant and body wash

I thought we wanted to clean up gamers.....

Axe appeals to the teenage dude-bro group, which I would assume is the only group that actually likes this game, as it's as superficial as they are.


You know, when the SimCity commercials came out, and they had Adam Devine playing more or less his Workaholics character, I found it appropriate.
 
2013-04-17 12:42:25 PM
It doesn't feel like EA and Maxis sat down and tried to create the very best version of SimCity possible, it feels like they designed the game that would be the easiest to control, monetize, and sell to advertisers.

I'll take "No Duh" for a thousand, Alex.

I've said it before and I'll say it again because it just doesn't stop being true:

If you buy a product from EA, Ubisoft or Activistion-Blizzard at this point, you deserve anything that happens to you as a result.
 
2013-04-17 12:46:14 PM

Burr: scottydoesntknow: Burr: scottydoesntknow: Axe deodorant and body wash

I thought we wanted to clean up gamers.....

Axe appeals to the teenage dude-bro group, which I would assume is the only group that actually likes this game, as it's as superficial as they are.

You know, when the SimCity commercials came out, and they had Adam Devine playing more or less his Workaholics character, I found it appropriate.


Heh, my girlfriend (who I'm getting into gaming) saw that commercial and said "Wait, is that the game that had the horrible launch where they took out everything fun and  no one could play it? I'm starting to wonder if Adam was actually in charge of it, it would explain a lot."
 
2013-04-17 12:46:38 PM
And I would be A-Ok with SimCity being an advertising platform.  If it weren't a full priced PC game.   If it were free I'd accept it as a cost of doing business, but it isn't.

Besides which this crap is region locked, we have Crest and Oral-B here in the UK.  We can also buy SimCity, so where are the deals and such for UK people to get their hands on these items?

And finally.  No, I don't want my video game littered with advertising aimed at either men or the stereotyped basement dweller who doesn't shower/shave unless you throw a bucket over them.  Not ever damn person buying these games and enjoying them is male FFS.

Although I will laugh the first time some gamer bro-dude gets a Triumph bra ad shoved unceremoniously in his game.  Guess you'll be that 1 in 10 eh?  Don't lie to the computer now.
 
2013-04-17 12:51:36 PM
With each passing day, I become more at-peace with my decision to not buy SimCity.
 
2013-04-17 12:51:53 PM
"The Attractions Set adds happiness to low wealth Sims," the official post stated. "They will also bring in all three wealth classes of tourists into your city."

My tourist town of Pelorum could really use that.

I buy that kind of toothpaste anyway.
 
2013-04-17 01:02:50 PM

Vaneshi: Although I will laugh the first time some gamer bro-dude gets a Triumph bra


Triumph makes bras AND motorcycles!
 
2013-04-17 01:07:08 PM
SimSh*tty..
 
2013-04-17 01:11:27 PM

Mentalpatient87: SimSh*tty..


Hmmm I see a South Park episode about this. Maybe the CityWok guy gets addicted to gaming and builds an entire South Park "Sh*tty" in it, but the game's self-imposed limitations cause him to start tearing down the actual South Park to make it more like his.
 
2013-04-17 01:17:02 PM

skozlaw: It doesn't feel like EA and Maxis sat down and tried to create the very best version of SimCity possible, it feels like they designed the game that would be the easiest to control, monetize, and sell to advertisers.

I'll take "No Duh" for a thousand, Alex.

I've said it before and I'll say it again because it just doesn't stop being true:

If you buy a product from EA, Ubisoft or Activistion-Blizzard at this point, you deserve anything that happens to you as a result.


The strange assumption they're making is that Maxis is still the Maxis we wish they were and not the Maxis EA has molded since purchasing them, and that EA would design a product any other way
 
2013-04-17 01:19:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mentalpatient87: SimSh*tty..

Hmmm I see a South Park episode about this. Maybe the CityWok guy gets addicted to gaming and builds an entire South Park "Sh*tty" in it, but the game's self-imposed limitations cause him to start tearing down the actual South Park to make it more like his.


I would watch that.
 
2013-04-17 01:27:40 PM

wingnut396: Vaneshi: Although I will laugh the first time some gamer bro-dude gets a Triumph bra

Triumph makes bras AND motorcycles!


Different Triumph's.  Like Apple Computers Inc. and Apple Records.

But considering how much mental work can end up in a bra I wouldn't of been surprised if they were the same.
 
2013-04-17 01:29:18 PM
Wow gamers sure do like to biatch don't they?

Day one DLC - fark that! If it's released on day one it should have been included in the farking game to begin with!

Regular DLC - fark that! That game came out 6 months ago, I'm done playing that stupid game and now they've gone and farked up my 100% achievement/trophy completion percentage.

New items pack DLC - fark that! why should I have to pay for an entire DLC when I'm only interested in one or two of the items?

Micro transactions - fark that! They shouldn't nickle and dime me to death for each individual item like that.

Free sponsored DLC - fark that! If they want to put ads in games then they should be free to play! Why should I have to buy an everyday item that I'd be using anyway just to get something extra?

You guys are all a bunch of farking cry babies.
 
2013-04-17 01:29:55 PM

wingnut396: Vaneshi: Although I will laugh the first time some gamer bro-dude gets a Triumph bra

Triumph makes bras AND motorcycles!


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-04-17 01:35:34 PM

ReapTheChaos: Wow gamers sure do like to biatch don't they?


You know you've made it in life on this planet when you can complain about recreational activities not being perfect.
 
2013-04-17 01:39:06 PM

ReapTheChaos: Wow gamers sure do like to biatch don't they?

Day one DLC - fark that! If it's released on day one it should have been included in the farking game to begin with!

Regular DLC - fark that! That game came out 6 months ago, I'm done playing that stupid game and now they've gone and farked up my 100% achievement/trophy completion percentage.

New items pack DLC - fark that! why should I have to pay for an entire DLC when I'm only interested in one or two of the items?

Micro transactions - fark that! They shouldn't nickle and dime me to death for each individual item like that.

Free sponsored DLC - fark that! If they want to put ads in games then they should be free to play! Why should I have to buy an everyday item that I'd be using anyway just to get something extra?

You guys are all a bunch of farking cry babies.


Not all of those things are really complaint worthy.

Day 1 DLC is always complaint worthy - especially for full priced games

Free Sponsored DLC is fine, unless it breaks the game. In Sim City the sponsored DLC is a Leaf Charging station which has no down-side. It is a completely unbalanced part of the game. That is the complaint there.

Regular DLC that comes quite a while after the main release date is actually a good thing. Bethesda did a great job of this. There only problem was not getting the new content onto every platform at the same time.
 
2013-04-17 01:39:57 PM

tricycleracer: StrangeQ: tricycleracer: A month in and I'm already bored of the game.  It's very shallow compared to past SimCities.

They already have your money.  They don't care.

When aggregate player hours decline their advertising platform will become less appealing.  Technically, my eyeballs are still worth something to them.


Meanwhile the probably years of playtime The Sims 3 will take from me before TS4 comes around is regularly exposing me to cute Iams pet products and a Prius that used to be much faster than the other cheap care (I think) and all that content is free on top of an already complex game.

After how well they've done with TS3, I'm pretty crushed they screwed up SimCity.
 
2013-04-17 01:46:24 PM

madgonad: Bethesda did a great job of this. There only problem was not getting the new content onto every platform at the same time.


Dawnguard = Meh. Not much new, mostly same locations, a couple good reasons to pick it up, but overall not really worth it.

Hearthfire = Meh. I enjoyed being able to put up a house and decorate it, but that was it.

Dragonborn = Badass. Had a great time during that whole DLC and wanted more.

A couple days ago they announced they were done with DLC for Skyrim. I understand why, but it still sucks cause I wanted a DLC dealing with the Thalmor war that's inevitably going to happen or to get some good details on the Dwemer.

Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.
 
2013-04-17 01:47:48 PM

ReapTheChaos: Wow gamers sure do like to biatch don't they?

Day one DLC - fark that! If it's released on day one it should have been included in the farking game to begin with!

Regular DLC - fark that! That game came out 6 months ago, I'm done playing that stupid game and now they've gone and farked up my 100% achievement/trophy completion percentage.

New items pack DLC - fark that! why should I have to pay for an entire DLC when I'm only interested in one or two of the items?

Micro transactions - fark that! They shouldn't nickle and dime me to death for each individual item like that.

Free sponsored DLC - fark that! If they want to put ads in games then they should be free to play! Why should I have to buy an everyday item that I'd be using anyway just to get something extra?

You guys are all a bunch of farking cry babies.


Sooooo this ^
 
2013-04-17 01:54:41 PM

madgonad: Day 1 DLC is always complaint worthy - especially for full priced games


Day 1 DLC, and first month DLC, sell the best though.  Probably because the game is still being played by a larger audience of people and fresh in their minds, but as long as consumers support that kind of DLC buy paying for it, it will stick around.
 
2013-04-17 01:55:17 PM
You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.
 
2013-04-17 01:56:24 PM

scottydoesntknow: Mentalpatient87: SimSh*tty..

Hmmm I see a South Park episode about this. Maybe the CityWok guy gets addicted to gaming and builds an entire South Park "Sh*tty" in it, but the game's self-imposed limitations cause him to start tearing down the actual South Park to make it more like his.


He takes over South Park's local dispatch and makes all the city vehicles drive in a straight line behind each other.

This idea/episode sounds like fun.
 
2013-04-17 01:58:05 PM

ReapTheChaos: Wow gamers sure do like to biatch don't they?

Day one DLC - fark that! If it's released on day one it should have been included in the farking game to begin with!


Was developed instead of the game itself.  Opps.  DLC has to go through the, alleged  6 month code signing phase as well. 

Regular DLC - fark that! That game came out 6 months ago, I'm done playing that stupid game and now they've gone and farked up my 100% achievement/trophy completion percentage.

If its for a fair price that is comesurate with what it adds AND the age of this hypothetical product, that is fine. 

New items pack DLC - fark that! why should I have to pay for an entire DLC when I'm only interested in one or two of the items?

As above.

Micro transactions - fark that! They shouldn't nickle and dime me to death for each individual item like that.

On a full price game, this is a problem.

Free sponsored DLC - fark that! If they want to put ads in games then they should be free to play! Why should I have to buy an everyday item that I'd be using anyway just to get something extra?

Does the inclusion of such deals mean the game was provided at a less than full RRP?  Are the items in question balanced?  If the answer to those two is a resounding NO then that's a problem. 

You guys are all a bunch of farking cry babies.

You're an industry shill, but you don't see me insulting you about it.   Yet.
 
2013-04-17 02:06:06 PM

TeDDD: You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.


Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.
 
2013-04-17 02:08:27 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: scottydoesntknow: Mentalpatient87: SimSh*tty..

Hmmm I see a South Park episode about this. Maybe the CityWok guy gets addicted to gaming and builds an entire South Park "Sh*tty" in it, but the game's self-imposed limitations cause him to start tearing down the actual South Park to make it more like his.

He takes over South Park's local dispatch and makes all the city vehicles drive in a straight line behind each other.

This idea/episode sounds like fun.


Everybody leaves their job and goes and lives in the nearest house...
 
2013-04-17 02:10:02 PM
FunkOut:
Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.

People who consider video games to be the only form of gaming... yeah you're probably right.

Any 'gamer' who doesn't know how to roll for initiative in at least one table top game gets to sit at the children's table though.  In the sound proof box.
 
2013-04-17 02:11:11 PM

scottydoesntknow: madgonad: Bethesda did a great job of this. There only problem was not getting the new content onto every platform at the same time.

Dawnguard = Meh. Not much new, mostly same locations, a couple good reasons to pick it up, but overall not really worth it.

Hearthfire = Meh. I enjoyed being able to put up a house and decorate it, but that was it.

Dragonborn = Badass. Had a great time during that whole DLC and wanted more.

A couple days ago they announced they were done with DLC for Skyrim. I understand why, but it still sucks cause I wanted a DLC dealing with the Thalmor war that's inevitably going to happen or to get some good details on the Dwemer.

Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.


I got all three too. They all added quite a bit of new content, but came from different directions. Hearthfire appealed to the Sim/Doll House fans while the others were more like massive quests. None were even close to zero day and all were well done. Bethesda continues to earn my patronage. I was only mad at them for the lame ending to Fallout 3.... Hey Fawkes, could you go into the radiation filled room and do something for us? Thanks!
 
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2013-04-17 02:15:14 PM

madgonad: Day 1 DLC is always complaint worthy - especially for full priced games


No, it's not.

On the disk? Complaint worthy.
Obviously cut out of the game? Complaint worthy
If they just used the time delay between gold and release for further tweaking, it's fine.

Of course given modern business practices, those first two are far more common.
 
2013-04-17 02:15:35 PM

madgonad: scottydoesntknow: madgonad: Bethesda did a great job of this. There only problem was not getting the new content onto every platform at the same time.

Dawnguard = Meh. Not much new, mostly same locations, a couple good reasons to pick it up, but overall not really worth it.

Hearthfire = Meh. I enjoyed being able to put up a house and decorate it, but that was it.

Dragonborn = Badass. Had a great time during that whole DLC and wanted more.

A couple days ago they announced they were done with DLC for Skyrim. I understand why, but it still sucks cause I wanted a DLC dealing with the Thalmor war that's inevitably going to happen or to get some good details on the Dwemer.

Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.

I got all three too. They all added quite a bit of new content, but came from different directions. Hearthfire appealed to the Sim/Doll House fans while the others were more like massive quests. None were even close to zero day and all were well done. Bethesda continues to earn my patronage. I was only mad at them for the lame ending to Fallout 3.... Hey Fawkes, could you go into the radiation filled room and do something for us? Thanks!


Broken Steel

And forgive us for complaining about the things that we bought. If your brand new car didn't come with wiper blades and you had to pay extra, you'd be upset too. Why are gamers less able to criticize the companies they keep in business?
 
2013-04-17 02:19:14 PM

madgonad: scottydoesntknow: madgonad: Bethesda did a great job of this. There only problem was not getting the new content onto every platform at the same time.

Dawnguard = Meh. Not much new, mostly same locations, a couple good reasons to pick it up, but overall not really worth it.

Hearthfire = Meh. I enjoyed being able to put up a house and decorate it, but that was it.

Dragonborn = Badass. Had a great time during that whole DLC and wanted more.

A couple days ago they announced they were done with DLC for Skyrim. I understand why, but it still sucks cause I wanted a DLC dealing with the Thalmor war that's inevitably going to happen or to get some good details on the Dwemer.

Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.

I got all three too. They all added quite a bit of new content, but came from different directions. Hearthfire appealed to the Sim/Doll House fans while the others were more like massive quests. None were even close to zero day and all were well done. Bethesda continues to earn my patronage. I was only mad at them for the lame ending to Fallout 3.... Hey Fawkes, could you go into the radiation filled room and do something for us? Thanks!


I think Dawnguard's biggest letdown was that you didn't venture past Skyrim (well except for the lead Vamp's home) and just added a few new markers onto it. That's what made Dragonborn stand out so much, you not only got a whole new area and map, but you also got to venture into Hermaeus Mora's domain and see how farked up he really is.

I did enjoy Hearthfire, and the price was just right (only $5). Ended up building homes in all the areas, but only use the one that's near the lake (where that vampire is always trying out dark magic in the backyard).
 
2013-04-17 02:22:07 PM

Vaneshi: Any 'gamer' who doesn't know how to roll for initiative in at least one table top game gets to sit at the children's table though. In the sound proof box.


Just please don't make me calculate THAC0's...
 
2013-04-17 02:27:29 PM

FunkOut: TeDDD: You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.

Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.


God forbid people have negative reactions to a substantial change in their hobby that they have been passionately involved with for the past 25 years... especially when some company buys a beloved franchise and that has an almost 20 year legacy and makes it a shadow of it's former self in the name of greed....

I don't complain about it much, but the original SimCity (1989) was one of the first PC games I played (I bought it along with X-Wing).  I have every sequel up to 4, which came out in 2003.  That is 14 years of a game. 14 years of investment into a franchise.  Of course I am going to feel a little miffed when a large corporation, known for taking good companies with excellent franchises (Westwood, BullFrog were my faves) and then using that devoted fan-base to sell a piece of crap that has considerably less functionality then the originals, all in the name of profit.

What is even worse is that I am scared that this kind of business practice is becoming the norm, all in the guise of stopping piracy (which is directly related to profits, of course).
 
2013-04-17 02:37:42 PM

Vaneshi: FunkOut:
Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.

People who consider video games to be the only form of gaming... yeah you're probably right.

Any 'gamer' who doesn't know how to roll for initiative in at least one table top game gets to sit at the children's table though.  In the sound proof box.


I've stuck with two text MUDs all this time. Although these days it's just to have a 300 year old character walk around town half naked claming senility for the lulz.
 
2013-04-17 02:41:14 PM

Burr: FunkOut: TeDDD: You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.

Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.

God forbid people have negative reactions to a substantial change in their hobby that they have been passionately involved with for the past 25 years... especially when some company buys a beloved franchise and that has an almost 20 year legacy and makes it a shadow of it's former self in the name of greed....


I just mean if it's gotten that bad, maybe it's not worth it anymore. Maybe people should be learning how to build houses out of concrete and booze bottles or taking up knitting or something. There isn't a mismanaged idiot company taking your cash and you have a finished item.
 
2013-04-17 02:41:31 PM

scottydoesntknow: Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.


Hopefully that means we will have Fallout 4 to keep us busy for a couple of those years....
 
2013-04-17 02:44:16 PM

Burr: scottydoesntknow: Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.

Hopefully that means we will have Fallout 4 to keep us busy for a couple of those years....


There's always Elder Scrolls Online.
 
2013-04-17 02:45:25 PM

Burr: scottydoesntknow: Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.

Hopefully that means we will have Fallout 4 to keep us busy for a couple of those years....


Bethesda released a teaser with a song from the Fallout 'verse and an old record playing, but explicitely said it's not related to Fallout. I was dissapointed about that. Still holding out hope they'll announce something this year.
 
2013-04-17 02:45:50 PM

Burr: The Stealth Hippopotamus: scottydoesntknow: Mentalpatient87: SimSh*tty..

Hmmm I see a South Park episode about this. Maybe the CityWok guy gets addicted to gaming and builds an entire South Park "Sh*tty" in it, but the game's self-imposed limitations cause him to start tearing down the actual South Park to make it more like his.

He takes over South Park's local dispatch and makes all the city vehicles drive in a straight line behind each other.

This idea/episode sounds like fun.

Everybody leaves their job and goes and lives in the nearest house...


NO! The fake asian guy has to do it. (tho I think he's dead)

Gets a job at the local recycling plant, waits till the place is full and blocks the exit with his body.
 
2013-04-17 02:49:48 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Burr: The Stealth Hippopotamus: scottydoesntknow: Mentalpatient87: SimSh*tty..

Hmmm I see a South Park episode about this. Maybe the CityWok guy gets addicted to gaming and builds an entire South Park "Sh*tty" in it, but the game's self-imposed limitations cause him to start tearing down the actual South Park to make it more like his.

He takes over South Park's local dispatch and makes all the city vehicles drive in a straight line behind each other.

This idea/episode sounds like fun.

Everybody leaves their job and goes and lives in the nearest house...

NO! The fake asian guy has to do it. (tho I think he's dead)

Gets a job at the local recycling plant, waits till the place is full and blocks the exit with his body.


I could imagine Sh*ttyWok guy using those stanchions to map out the entire town and force people to go where the rope says so. Maybe electrify them (or go with the Simpsons "nobody crosses the velvet rope!") to keep the south park people from crossing over. Randy is forced to work at the Coffee Shop Tweak's dad owns, Tweak's dad has to go the geologist lab where Randy works, etc.
 
2013-04-17 02:50:00 PM

RedPhoenix122: Burr: scottydoesntknow: Guess I'll have to wait 5 years to get something dealing with that.

Hopefully that means we will have Fallout 4 to keep us busy for a couple of those years....

There's always Elder Scrolls Online.


If you're expecting Skyrim in multiplayer format, I've got some bad news for you...
 
2013-04-17 02:51:00 PM

UrCa: If you're expecting Skyrim in multiplayer format, I've got some bad news for you...


No, I'm expecting an MMO with a simplified interface.  Saw the leaked video from a few days ago.
 
2013-04-17 02:53:23 PM

FunkOut: I just mean if it's gotten that bad, maybe it's not worth it anymore.


Oh, it is still worth it.  There are still some gems out there.  Whether they be large titles (Bioshock), Old made new (Fallout), Independent (FTL, KSP) and the anticipation of upcoming titles (Thief) it is still a worthwhile hobby.

But are we not allowed to complain when an existing  well loved franchise gets mangled in the name of profits?  It's like taking a beloved landmark and watching it get converted into a strip mall.  Sure, the essence of it is still there, but it just isn't the same anymore.

And this is not a rant about "selling out".  I love the fact that video gaming has become more popular then movies, I love that I am part of a large community of people that I can share experiences with, and that their are more options available for my hobby.  It's just that I am seeing trends in the industry that I don't like, that I see might be harmful to what I love. So I speak up, try to make my voice heard.  Will they listen?  Probably not, but I am at least trying to fight for it.  I don't shop at Wal Mart either, and I know that them not getting $50 a week from me isn't really hurting them, but I still do it, because it is all I can do it seems.
 
2013-04-17 03:03:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: I could imagine Sh*ttyWok guy using those stanchions to map out the entire town and force people to go where the rope says so. Maybe electrify them (or go with the Simpsons "nobody crosses the velvet rope!") to keep the south park people from crossing over. Randy is forced to work at the Coffee Shop Tweak's dad owns, Tweak's dad has to go the geologist lab where Randy works, etc.


Or pair Randy with a different wife every night. That could be some laughs. But I can't think of a way to make Sh**yWok guy the unquestioned ruler of South Park.

And how do make all the building flicker?


OH DAMN I JUST THOUGHT OF IT!! flickering building did it!

Sh**yWok guy unlocks some ancient Chinese knowledge and gets the liability to cloud men's minds! Uses powers to make all the other things happen.

I make myself laugh
 
2013-04-17 03:49:36 PM

FunkOut: Burr: FunkOut: TeDDD: You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.

Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.

God forbid people have negative reactions to a substantial change in their hobby that they have been passionately involved with for the past 25 years... especially when some company buys a beloved franchise and that has an almost 20 year legacy and makes it a shadow of it's former self in the name of greed....

I just mean if it's gotten that bad, maybe it's not worth it anymore. Maybe people should be learning how to build houses out of concrete and booze bottles or taking up knitting or something. There isn't a mismanaged idiot company taking your cash and you have a finished item.



That's like giving up on all music just because you can't stand Justin Bieber. I've been a gamer since I could hold an Atari joystick in my hands, and it's still a fun hobby. However, like every other pursuit, you have to be smart and not indiscriminantly throw your money around. I was NOT one of the people who pre-ordered SimCity, for instance, because I was informed enough to know that I wouldn't like it. I rarely pay $60 for a single game unless I absolutely know it's something I'll enjoy. That's why I read reviews and wait a while before thinking about getting a big release. Besides, thanks to Steam Sales, GOG, and the Humble Bundle, I've already got a pretty good backlog to keep me occupied. (I recently got a PS3, so now I have yet another backlog to play through.)

That's why gaming is still worth it to me. I can see these issues and avoid them, because nothing is forcing me to put up with a few companies and titles that are awful. I am free to play games I know I'll enjoy, and I plan to do that my whole life.
 
2013-04-17 04:00:03 PM

FunkOut: TeDDD: You've been warned, Farkers: you can whine and snark and politic-tab all you want, but if you complain about EA then you've just gone too far.

I mean, after all, Monsanto is as we speak turning peasant children into squashes, or something, and therefore you have no right to complain about anti-consumer practices.  No, not even if they affect you directly in ways the child-veggies do not.  Listen to me, I'm evolved and have perspective.

Considering people who love playing games just seem to complain about them and the companies who make non-stop, it's making me think gaming is one of the worst possible ways to spend your time in this life.


Nope. Reading comic books is the true stations of the cross. Either everything is the same, so it's boring, or everything is changed and it sucks.
 
2013-04-17 05:12:33 PM
One of my problems with DLC is it is out too soon, when the developers want us to hold on to and play our games longer. (Or so they say, to help fight used game sales.)

Why, for example, are they offering a season pass to Bioshock Infinite, a game that just came out? DLC that hasn't been made yet. The DLC they SHOULD be working on is more content for Bioshock 1.

Why have another Skyrim DLC pack, when they should make something for say, Oblivion. Update the graphics/game to meet Skyrim standards or somesuch.

By releasing DLC so quickly, and for "current games", the game companies turn a $60 into a $90 game.
 
2013-04-17 05:23:06 PM

ParadoxDice: One of my problems with DLC is it is out too soon, when the developers want us to hold on to and play our games longer. (Or so they say, to help fight used game sales.)

Why, for example, are they offering a season pass to Bioshock Infinite, a game that just came out? DLC that hasn't been made yet. The DLC they SHOULD be working on is more content for Bioshock 1.

Why have another Skyrim DLC pack, when they should make something for say, Oblivion. Update the graphics/game to meet Skyrim standards or somesuch.

By releasing DLC so quickly, and for "current games", the game companies turn a $60 into a $90 game.


Out too soon? It was over 6 months before Dawnguard was released for Skyrim. A year for Dragonborn. No developer will dedicate time and money (emphasis on money $$$$$$$) to games that have outlived their playtime. The modding community on PC will, but the devs are done after a certain point.

And Season Passes are a way for developers to gauge how many people want DLCs and also guaranteeing a purchase through it. Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).
 
2013-04-17 05:36:19 PM

rpm: madgonad: Day 1 DLC is always complaint worthy - especially for full priced games

No, it's not.

On the disk? Complaint worthy.
Obviously cut out of the game? Complaint worthy
If they just used the time delay between gold and release for further tweaking, it's fine.

Of course given modern business practices, those first two are far more common.


In the case of SimCity the day one DLC was to give people access to the limited edition items if they didn't buy that version.

Not sure why people complain about this, to me it's a lot worse to not give that option. X-com for example held out the ability to change your units colors.  why couldn't this be day on DLC?  Why is it even DLC?

For me taking out the option to customize your units is way way worse than the stuff people complain about in regards to SimCity.

But yeah, the X-com makers aren't EA so they aren't 'cool' to hate for their ridiculous DLC.
 
2013-04-17 05:40:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).


But it requires several assumptions.  The first being that the DLC, which you have zero idea what it is, is to your tastes or improves/adds to an area of the game you wanted more of.  The second is that the DLC will be released in a timely fashion (you do not have the proposed release dates).

So you know nothing about it or when it will be available and they want £20 for quite literally nothing at this point.

No matter how much you like the vanilla game or the wish to show your loyalty to any particular development studio/publisher... buying the season pass the day the game is release is not a sound financial decision.

Once the DLC's are out and you can look at reviews and such of them it's a different story obviously.
 
2013-04-17 06:35:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: Out too soon? It was over 6 months before Dawnguard was released for Skyrim. A year for Dragonborn. No developer will dedicate time and money (emphasis on money $$$$$$$) to games that have outlived their playtime. The modding community on PC will, but the devs are done after a certain point.

And Season Passes are a way for developers to gauge how many people want DLCs and also guaranteeing a purchase through it. Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).


Very true about the money, but I had read somewhere (Gamespot most likely) that game developers want to use DLC to have us hold on to our games longer in an effort to fight used game sales. Folks will hold a game longer if there's a reason to go back to it later down the road.

So, rather than offer me some DLC 6 months down the road, when I'd still be playing the game, or more likely just getting tired of playing it, they could offer me some NEW content for an older game.

As for ads in SimCity; I would be fine with it if the game was free to play. That's the whole point of having ads in games. You can get many games/apps for free with advertising, or pay a price for the "ad free" version.
 
2013-04-17 06:37:58 PM

rpm: madgonad: Day 1 DLC is always complaint worthy - especially for full priced games

No, it's not.

On the disk? Complaint worthy.
Obviously cut out of the game? Complaint worthy
If they just used the time delay between gold and release for further tweaking, it's fine.

Of course given modern business practices, those first two are far more common.


Example of that? You can usually see the tear marks and patch job where parts of a game are ripped out to be sold as DLC.

Klivian: Broken Steel

And forgive us for complaining about the things that we bought. If your brand new car didn't come with wiper blades and you had to pay extra, you'd be upset too. Why are gamers less able to criticize the companies they keep in business?


Yep, I went from being pissed at the ending, to being pissed that I had to buy the right ending, to getting over it since the DLC was after-the-fact and of good quality.

scottydoesntknow: I did enjoy Hearthfire, and the price was just right (only $5). Ended up building homes in all the areas, but only use the one that's near the lake (where that vampire is always trying out dark magic in the backyard).


Me too. I did think that 'adopting' was kind of a kludge. Probably brought on by not being able to get all the voice actors for romanceable characters back into the studio to provide content for an actual family path.
 
2013-04-17 06:43:45 PM

Vaneshi: scottydoesntknow: Every Season Pass is a deal as far as all the DLCs are concerned (Like with Bioshock:Infinite you get the 4 DLCs they release for the price of 3).

But it requires several assumptions.  The first being that the DLC, which you have zero idea what it is, is to your tastes or improves/adds to an area of the game you wanted more of.  The second is that the DLC will be released in a timely fashion (you do not have the proposed release dates).

So you know nothing about it or when it will be available and they want £20 for quite literally nothing at this point.

No matter how much you like the vanilla game or the wish to show your loyalty to any particular development studio/publisher... buying the season pass the day the game is release is not a sound financial decision.

Once the DLC's are out and you can look at reviews and such of them it's a different story obviously.


Ohh yea, I'm not saying it's a sound financial decision, but it is a deal if you're planning on getting the DLCs no matter what. Honestly I've only purchased one before, and that was for Borderlands 2. I had finished the game, loved it, started playing again and decided why the hell not, I'll trust Gearbox to put some effort into the DLCs (it's pretty much their only franchise they put effort into). Didn't hurt that my friends also got all the DLCs so we're still playing it.

The only time it can come to actually bite you in the ass would be if the company shutters its doors, like THQ. I'm pretty sure Darksiders II had a season pass, then they put 1 DLC out and shut down after that. Which is really sad because that franchise was great.
 
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2013-04-17 06:53:47 PM

madgonad: Example of that? You can usually see the tear marks and patch job where parts of a game are ripped out to be sold as DLC.


Crap. I can only think of the bad examples. I don't pay too much attention to what DLC there is, as I usually don't get it. I guess it's more of a theoretical possibility than a real one.
 
2013-04-17 07:18:02 PM
After reading all this I will go on record as saying if EA makes the dispatch fix (all city vehicles go in one line) a DLC and charges me for it they'll turn one of their biggest supports into one of their loudest critics!
 
2013-04-17 07:26:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: After reading all this I will go on record as saying if EA makes the dispatch fix (all city vehicles go in one line) a DLC and charges me for it they'll turn one of their biggest supports into one of their loudest critics!


Can't wait for them to release the Subway DLC, sponsored by Subway.

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2013-04-18 12:30:07 AM
Newest DLC pack: The jerkass.

On any stretch of road more than 2000 meters long, there is a 1 in 15 chance of the driver being a jerkass. Jerkasses speed, swerve in and out of lanes, and generally cause problems for the city. In exchange for the negative mood and congestion, the jerkass pack will allow the player to add "car explosion" to the list of natural disasters that can strike a city.
 
2013-04-18 12:47:50 AM

Klivian: And forgive us for complaining about the things that we bought. If your brand new car didn't come with wiper blades and you had to pay extra, you'd be upset too. Why are gamers less able to criticize the companies they keep in business?


I'll take a stab at this. Because as I posted above, no matter what they do gamers will complain about it, there's simply no pleasing them as a group.  Just like this deal, you buy a tube of toothpaste, something everyone uses anyway, and get free content. It's not like anyone is forcing them to buy the toothpaste and as far as I know the content you get isn't anything necessary for the game, sounds like a pretty decent deal to me, but apparently it's enough to piss off some people.

If you ask me this is just another example of everyone jumping on the "lets hate EA" bandwagon.
 
2013-04-18 03:02:25 AM

ReapTheChaos: Because as I posted above, no matter what they do gamers will complain about it, there's simply no pleasing them as a group.


You could apply the same thing to politics or any other activity that involves a large group, theoretically, agreeing on something.   Yet I don't see people running around belittling people who are Conservative but strongly dislike David Cameron.

I have purchased plenty of games which I am totally happy with in all regards (the DLC-fest of Saints Row 3 being one of them), I've purchased some absolute stinkers which I will happily rant about until the cows come home (Legends of Pegasus).

And as I said earlier, if EA had given SimCity away for free due to them using it as an advertising platform (and lets be honest here, Nissan paid a LOT of money for that in-game charging station) I would not have any major problem with it being used as such.  That they've got all these deals with other companies AND are still demanding the full RRP for the game... no, I personally don't agree with that.

In this instance, EA is double dipping.
 
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