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(The Atlantic)   In a masterpiece of goalpost-moving, columnist opines that the Gosnell case is the anti-abortion movement's fault because they didn't badger his clinic enough   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2013-04-17 10:55:41 AM  

Wessoman: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."

Don't make him try and think outside his bubble.


hehe what the fark are you talking about, Mr Genuine Conservative?
 
2013-04-17 10:56:37 AM  

skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."

I don't know that it occurs anywhere. I suppose it is likely as no oversight is perfect, I've never seen it and I've never heard anyone I know say they had a disgusting experience at the dentist or gyno outside of the necessary disgustingness of those 2 sorts of visits.

We could have a government overseer in every doctor's office in the country and have an overseer of the overseer to make sure the first isn't on the take and still not eliminate the possibility of it happening.


Or, we could, I dunno, just have regular inspections that are random. You can lay off the hyperbole button for a bit, chuckles. More oversight here is a good thing.
 
2013-04-17 10:58:50 AM  

Dr Dreidel: My own theory is that it somehow "flew under the radar", or people were so disgusted by it when it was first reported that they stopped reporting on it. I heard this story break (or maybe it was even old then?) about a month ago on the radio, then nothing for 3 weeks, and now it's back because "it wasn't covered"? The details of this case being so obviously gruesome and the fail being spread to so many people - both medicos and government, public and private - I'm not surprised the story didn't look like it had legs* until the pro-lifers started humping it.


I think part of the problem really is how gross this is.  Obviously there's a lot of terrible crime out there - to pick another one from PA Sandusky was big news and that was horrible - but Gosnell is only a step or two removed from Josef Mengele.  I couldn't finish the one longer, more detailed piece about Gosnell because it's just so gruesome.  Also, there's not much controversy because everyone agrees this guy is a monster.
 
2013-04-17 11:00:17 AM  

Wessoman: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."

I don't know that it occurs anywhere. I suppose it is likely as no oversight is perfect, I've never seen it and I've never heard anyone I know say they had a disgusting experience at the dentist or gyno outside of the necessary disgustingness of those 2 sorts of visits.

We could have a government overseer in every doctor's office in the country and have an overseer of the overseer to make sure the first isn't on the take and still not eliminate the possibility of it happening.

Or, we could, I dunno, just have regular inspections that are random. You can lay off the hyperbole button for a bit, chuckles. More oversight here is a good thing.


It's hyperbole to make a point. Nothing we can do would insure that there are no issues like this anywhere, even "random inspections". it was in response to his post in which he said "If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem. "
Yes, this is a bad thing if it happens anywhere. However, I don't know how epidemic it is - you'd think this sort of thing would be in the news more often if it were widespread and no matter WHAT we do, there is no guarantee that it isn't going to happen so perhaps we ARE doing enough and stories like Kermit here are the examples of the inevitable instances where some places fall through the cracks.
 
2013-04-17 11:00:39 AM  

skullkrusher: Wessoman: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."

Don't make him try and think outside his bubble.

hehe what the fark are you talking about, Mr Genuine Conservative?


Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources. Its not to tell me how to think, or who I can and can't vote for, or what should be illegal because of some magical sky god and his followers.

So if this clinic was bad, let's take steps to keep this from happening again. End of.
 
2013-04-17 11:01:40 AM  

Wessoman: Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources. Its not to tell me how to think, or who I can and can't vote for, or what should be illegal because of some magical sky god and his followers.


all sounds reasonable to me. However, you do enjoy assumptions, dontcha?
 
2013-04-17 11:01:56 AM  

Dr Dreidel: cefm: While it may be worth the local and national news organizations asking themselves why they didn't cover it, that is itself not news.

Au contraire. It may not be LATE-BREAKING EYEWITNESS NEWS NOW TAKES YOU TO THE SCENE, but it is newsworthy - it's informational, and far more so than "was Kim Kardashian paid to get fat?"

My own theory is that it somehow "flew under the radar", or people were so disgusted by it when it was first reported that they stopped reporting on it. I heard this story break (or maybe it was even old then?) about a month ago on the radio, then nothing for 3 weeks, and now it's back because "it wasn't covered"? The details of this case being so obviously gruesome and the fail being spread to so many people - both medicos and government, public and private - I'm not surprised the story didn't look like it had legs* until the pro-lifers started humping it.

*pun not intended, but I won't be upset if you chuckle.


It was covered by some news outlets though. Local Philadelphia outlets covered it a decent amount. NPR put out an article. A number of news outlets that cover issues related to abortion and contraception wrote about it. The problem is that to many "conservatives," there's only two settings in the news: complete blackout and carpet bombing. If something wasn't carpet bombed (like Benghazi), then it was a complete blackout in the news.
 
2013-04-17 11:03:37 AM  

skullkrusher: Wessoman: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."

I don't know that it occurs anywhere. I suppose it is likely as no oversight is perfect, I've never seen it and I've never heard anyone I know say they had a disgusting experience at the dentist or gyno outside of the necessary disgustingness of those 2 sorts of visits.

We could have a government overseer in every doctor's office in the country and have an overseer of the overseer to make sure the first isn't on the take and still not eliminate the possibility of it happening.

Or, we could, I dunno, just have regular inspections that are random. You can lay off the hyperbole button for a bit, chuckles. More oversight here is a good thing.

It's hyperbole to make a point. Nothing we can do would insure that there are no issues like this anywhere, even "random inspections". it was in response to his post in which he said "If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem. "
Yes, this is a bad thing if it happens anywhere. However, I don't know how epidemic it is - you'd think this sort of thing would be in the news more often if it were widespread and no matter WHAT we do, there is no guarantee that it isn't going to happen so perhaps we ARE doing enough and stories like Kermit here are the examples of the inevitable instances where some places fall through the cracks.


Your hyperbole makes a point but it doesn't make sense. Then we need an army to guard against our army to make sure it doesn't do anything illegal, and we need another army to guard against that army. Or maybe we need another President in case the current president is bad, and we have another president oversee the President overseer. NO. Remember, I am a true conservative, so I do not like redundancies in government. Just make government work efficiently in the first place.

Of course, never mind the modern GOP has the DHS, FBI and CIA all doing the same thing...
 
2013-04-17 11:03:38 AM  

Wessoman: Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources.


The free market can do that better than any government!
 
2013-04-17 11:03:39 AM  
the troll is strong in this one.

i see the lesser trolls have come to feed on the leavings.
 
2013-04-17 11:06:53 AM  

Bloody William: Wessoman: Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources.

The free market can do that better than any government!


Aaaand the Free Market has given us a serious global warming problem, and GMOs in our food. It actually does hold back technology at times. But it's dumb to say that the Free Market has the answers to all problems. It's like saying God is the answer to everything. It sounds good on paper, but it's laughably impractical in practice.
 
2013-04-17 11:07:45 AM  

skullkrusher: Wessoman: Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources. Its not to tell me how to think, or who I can and can't vote for, or what should be illegal because of some magical sky god and his followers.

all sounds reasonable to me. However, you do enjoy assumptions, dontcha?


As do you, mister Slippery Slope hyperbole.
 
2013-04-17 11:08:10 AM  

Serious Black: It was covered by some news outlets though.


I heard it on my local (DC) CBS affiliate. WTOP runs the "CBS World News Roundup" every half-hour (which I believe is syndicated to all CBS affiliates) and I was hearing it as part of that, not "local" coverage. That's millions of people right there, and in a very influential market (the 7th biggest media market in the country, over 4.5 million people).

Anyone who didn't hear this a month ago is, as you and others have said, either willfully ignorant of media sources that aren't their preferred outlets (in which case, blame the specific sources you consume rather than "the media") or dishonest.
 
2013-04-17 11:11:36 AM  
Wow, normally when you hear "Abortion House of Horror", you just move to another seat on the bus to get away from the raving lunatic, but I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. This guy is the walking definition of sleazebag douche asshole..
 
2013-04-17 11:12:45 AM  

Wessoman: skullkrusher: Wessoman: Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources. Its not to tell me how to think, or who I can and can't vote for, or what should be illegal because of some magical sky god and his followers.

all sounds reasonable to me. However, you do enjoy assumptions, dontcha?

As do you, mister Slippery Slope hyperbole.


What slippery slope?
 
2013-04-17 11:18:30 AM  

skullkrusher: Wessoman: skullkrusher: Wessoman: Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources. Its not to tell me how to think, or who I can and can't vote for, or what should be illegal because of some magical sky god and his followers.

all sounds reasonable to me. However, you do enjoy assumptions, dontcha?

As do you, mister Slippery Slope hyperbole.

What slippery slope?


DERP. Whenever I mention government oversight, you launched straight into hyperbole about needing overseers for overseers. Please, at least attempt to post properly and DO keep up.

And with that, I am out. Girlfriends coming over so I need to get ready. And that's why I am pro-choice. Because I like getting naked with ladies, but I don't like making babies with them. Keep Abortion safe and legal, and I'm out.
 
2013-04-17 11:18:43 AM  

Wessoman: Your hyperbole makes a point but it doesn't make sense. Then we need an army to guard against our army to make sure it doesn't do anything illegal, and we need another army to guard against that army. Or maybe we need another President in case the current president is bad, and we have another president oversee the President overseer. NO. Remember, I am a true conservative, so I do not like redundancies in government. Just make government work efficiently in the first place.

Of course, never mind the modern GOP has the DHS, FBI and CIA all doing the same thing...


FFS... how can you miss the point after it has been explained to you?
I am not saying we NEED those things. I am not saying you're saying we NEED those things. I'm saying even if we HAD those things, there would still be substandard conditions in some places.
 
2013-04-17 11:19:01 AM  
*clicks on thread

Expects numerous "have to pass it before know what's in it" jokes. Prepares rage.

Reads thread. Everything went better than expected.
 
2013-04-17 11:19:37 AM  

Wessoman: skullkrusher: Wessoman: skullkrusher: Wessoman: Government is designed for the safety and welfare of the people. HERE is where I want more government oversight. To make sure the doctor you go to doesn't kill you. To make sure the car I drive won't fall apart. To make sure the food you eat won't poison you. To make sure the company I work for isn't polluting our natural resources. Its not to tell me how to think, or who I can and can't vote for, or what should be illegal because of some magical sky god and his followers.

all sounds reasonable to me. However, you do enjoy assumptions, dontcha?

As do you, mister Slippery Slope hyperbole.

What slippery slope?

DERP. Whenever I mention government oversight, you launched straight into hyperbole about needing overseers for overseers. Please, at least attempt to post properly and DO keep up.

And with that, I am out. Girlfriends coming over so I need to get ready. And that's why I am pro-choice. Because I like getting naked with ladies, but I don't like making babies with them. Keep Abortion safe and legal, and I'm out.


I don't think you're a "genuine conservative". I think you're right in the wheelhouse of the modern definition of modern conservatism. Dishonest and stupid.
 
2013-04-17 11:20:12 AM  

nocturnal001: *clicks on thread

Expects numerous "have to pass it before know what's in it" jokes. Prepares rage.

Reads thread. Everything went better than expected.


wrong thread methinks ;)
 
2013-04-17 11:27:21 AM  
This is just another fine example of what happens when society becomes polarized over an issue. Both sides only see what they want to see and disregard the rest. This scumbag succeeded in hiding fairly well from the Right (possibly because it was a black doctor, serving a black population, in a black neighborhood - suburban housewives aren't quite so butthurt when the babies being aborted aren't white) - and the Left didn't go looking for bad clinics for fear of finding something which would erode support for their cause.
 
2013-04-17 11:30:59 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Serious Black: It was covered by some news outlets though.

I heard it on my local (DC) CBS affiliate. WTOP runs the "CBS World News Roundup" every half-hour (which I believe is syndicated to all CBS affiliates) and I was hearing it as part of that, not "local" coverage. That's millions of people right there, and in a very influential market (the 7th biggest media market in the country, over 4.5 million people).

Anyone who didn't hear this a month ago is, as you and others have said, either willfully ignorant of media sources that aren't their preferred outlets (in which case, blame the specific sources you consume rather than "the media") or dishonest.


A couple of months ago, one of my Facebook friends who is the personification of the Tea Party caricature started biatching that the "lamestream media" had blacked out coverage of the temporary FICA tax cut expiring. I flooded his post with six or seven articles, each from a different media outlet, talking about how Congress was likely to let the FICA tax cut expire and what the consequences of that expiration would be. He then insulted my taste in news coverage and insinuated that those outlets were the problem.
 
2013-04-17 11:32:02 AM  

part of the problem: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Not accurate.
The clinic model was once believed to be a win for women's rights as it kept abortion out of the control of the hospital industry. Didnt work out so well but facts are facts.

Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.


EVERY liberal ALREADY thinks this, you dumb fark.
 
2013-04-17 11:32:19 AM  

madgonad: This is just another fine example of what happens when society becomes polarized over an issue. Both sides only see what they want to see and disregard the rest. This scumbag succeeded in hiding fairly well from the Right (possibly because it was a black doctor, serving a black population, in a black neighborhood - suburban housewives aren't quite so butthurt when the babies being aborted aren't white) - and the Left didn't go looking for bad clinics for fear of finding something which would erode support for their cause.


or, more likely, because the anti-abortionists are more content with praying outside of clinics than actually taking practical steps to close them.
 
2013-04-17 11:34:47 AM  

skullkrusher: nocturnal001: *clicks on thread

Expects numerous "have to pass it before know what's in it" jokes. Prepares rage.

Reads thread. Everything went better than expected.

wrong thread methinks ;)


Damnit, how did I fark that up...

No wonder things went better than expected.
 
2013-04-17 11:35:32 AM  

madgonad: This is just another fine example of what happens when society becomes polarized over an issue. Both sides only see what they want to see and disregard the rest. This scumbag succeeded in hiding fairly well from the Right (possibly because it was a black doctor, serving a black population, in a black neighborhood - suburban housewives aren't quite so butthurt when the babies being aborted aren't white) - and the Left didn't go looking for bad clinics for fear of finding something which would erode support for their cause.


Pro-life folk don't ferret out safety violations in clinics. There is no conspiracy to "hide" clinics by Pro-choice folks. That's nonsense.

This really doesn't have anything to do with the abortion issue. That's just why it's getting attention. This is entirely the failure of local medical oversight. There were several complaints and they went unanswered. That's it. There are lots of people trying to spin it into a point about abortion but they're generally failing because it's so clearly a medical oversight issue.
 
2013-04-17 11:40:09 AM  

skullkrusher: QuesoDelicioso: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.

no, quite false. This is Philly. There are a number of Planned Parenthood locations and other safe and clean women's health clinics a short distance away from Kermit the Monster's clinic.


You realize that only 3 of the 20 Planned Parenthood clinics in PA offer abortion services, and that the closest one to Philly is still about 10-15 miles away, right? (Which, for somebody relying on public transportation, is quite far away, and potentially impossible...)
 
2013-04-17 11:41:38 AM  

skullkrusher: madgonad: This is just another fine example of what happens when society becomes polarized over an issue. Both sides only see what they want to see and disregard the rest. This scumbag succeeded in hiding fairly well from the Right (possibly because it was a black doctor, serving a black population, in a black neighborhood - suburban housewives aren't quite so butthurt when the babies being aborted aren't white) - and the Left didn't go looking for bad clinics for fear of finding something which would erode support for their cause.

or, more likely, because the anti-abortionists are more content with praying outside of clinics than actually taking practical steps to close them.


We both know that it is a far more complicated issue than that.

Some pro-life people are just focused on babies. They just love babies so much that they can't see how anyone could not want one.
Others are derived from the overall Conservative orthodoxy of pussy control. Women have too many freedoms which have allowed them to do anything they want, gasp, even live their lives outside of the control of a man. Society must shame and punish this behavior at all times.
A fair number are just doing their duty with their church.

On the flip side are too many people that assign no value whatsoever to the genetically unique blastocyst, zygote, or fetus that is living inside the 'mother'. An accidental pregnancy becomes 'a little problem' to solve.

Both sides are wrong - but Roe v Wade is still ahead of us here. The rules in Roe give the woman complete autonomy in deciding in the first trimester, require a doctors concurrence in the second, and requires TWO doctors to agree on medical necessity in the third. Those are really good rules. Not sure why the nation can't just agree that this was a good compromise and move on, but we can't.
 
2013-04-17 11:44:54 AM  

odinsposse: Pro-life folk don't ferret out safety violations in clinics. There is no conspiracy to "hide" clinics by Pro-choice folks. That's nonsense.


Actually, Pro-Life people DO use the safety and inspection angle to close clinics. That is how most of the clinics in Kansas were closed.

And the Pro-Choice side isn't 'hiding' bad clinics. They just aren't looking for them and exposing them for what they are.
 
2013-04-17 11:46:49 AM  

madgonad: skullkrusher: madgonad: This is just another fine example of what happens when society becomes polarized over an issue. Both sides only see what they want to see and disregard the rest. This scumbag succeeded in hiding fairly well from the Right (possibly because it was a black doctor, serving a black population, in a black neighborhood - suburban housewives aren't quite so butthurt when the babies being aborted aren't white) - and the Left didn't go looking for bad clinics for fear of finding something which would erode support for their cause.

or, more likely, because the anti-abortionists are more content with praying outside of clinics than actually taking practical steps to close them.

We both know that it is a far more complicated issue than that.

Some pro-life people are just focused on babies. They just love babies so much that they can't see how anyone could not want one.
Others are derived from the overall Conservative orthodoxy of pussy control. Women have too many freedoms which have allowed them to do anything they want, gasp, even live their lives outside of the control of a man. Society must shame and punish this behavior at all times.
A fair number are just doing their duty with their church.

On the flip side are too many people that assign no value whatsoever to the genetically unique blastocyst, zygote, or fetus that is living inside the 'mother'. An accidental pregnancy becomes 'a little problem' to solve.

Both sides are wrong - but Roe v Wade is still ahead of us here. The rules in Roe give the woman complete autonomy in deciding in the first trimester, require a doctors concurrence in the second, and requires TWO doctors to agree on medical necessity in the third. Those are really good rules. Not sure why the nation can't just agree that this was a good compromise and move on, but we can't.


There's your problem. The Republican Party is primarily controlled today by staunch conservatives who view compromise as tantamount to backstabbing God and having gay sex with Satan.
 
2013-04-17 11:50:09 AM  

YoungLochinvar: skullkrusher: QuesoDelicioso: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.

no, quite false. This is Philly. There are a number of Planned Parenthood locations and other safe and clean women's health clinics a short distance away from Kermit the Monster's clinic.

You realize that only 3 of the 20 Planned Parenthood clinics in PA offer abortion services, and that the closest one to Philly is still about 10-15 miles away, right? (Which, for somebody relying on public transportation, is quite far away, and potentially impossible...)


that means nothing to the point. According to the Yellow Pages, there are 3 abortion providers within the city itself and 4 more within 10 miles. 7 places to receive an abortion is hardly supportive of the notion that anti-abortion activism has driven abortion to the "back alleys". They'd like to but that is not the case here.
 
2013-04-17 11:50:26 AM  

Serious Black: The Republican Party is primarily controlled today by staunch conservatives who view compromise as tantamount to backstabbing God and having gay sex with Satan.


That sounds more like backstabbing Satan, NTTAWWT.
 
2013-04-17 11:53:01 AM  

skullkrusher: YoungLochinvar: skullkrusher: QuesoDelicioso: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.

no, quite false. This is Philly. There are a number of Planned Parenthood locations and other safe and clean women's health clinics a short distance away from Kermit the Monster's clinic.

You realize that only 3 of the 20 Planned Parenthood clinics in PA offer abortion services, and that the closest one to Philly is still about 10-15 miles away, right? (Which, for somebody relying on public transportation, is quite far away, and potentially impossible...)

that means nothing to the point. According to the Yellow Pages, there are 3 abortion providers within the city itself and 4 more within 10 miles. 7 places to receive an abortion is hardly supportive of the notion that anti-abortion activism has driven abortion to the "back alleys". They'd like to but that is not the case here.


I wonder if my cousin's basement is still one of those 7
 
2013-04-17 11:53:43 AM  

madgonad: We both know that it is a far more complicated issue than that.

Some pro-life people are just focused on babies. They just love babies so much that they can't see how anyone could not want one.
Others are derived from the overall Conservative orthodoxy of pussy control. Women have too many freedoms which have allowed them to do anything they want, gasp, even live their lives outside of the control of a man. Society must shame and punish this behavior at all times.
A fair number are just doing their duty with their church.

On the flip side are too many people that assign no value whatsoever to the genetically unique blastocyst, zygote, or fetus that is living inside the 'mother'. An accidental pregnancy becomes 'a little problem' to solve.


you made a blanket statement about suburban housewives. I don't think this dick operated under the radar because of bias against black kids as these anti-abortion activists like to stand in front of clinics with signs and rosaries rather than actually taking steps to close clinics like Kermit the Butcher's.

It's a strategy failure on their part, I don't believe it is a conscious effort to not care about minority abortions.

Of course both sides have their issues and bad actors. The pro-choicers are right, imo, but they are still lousy with jokers. It's just the way shiat is.
 
2013-04-17 11:54:28 AM  

CPennypacker: skullkrusher: YoungLochinvar: skullkrusher: QuesoDelicioso: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.

no, quite false. This is Philly. There are a number of Planned Parenthood locations and other safe and clean women's health clinics a short distance away from Kermit the Monster's clinic.

You realize that only 3 of the 20 Planned Parenthood clinics in PA offer abortion services, and that the closest one to Philly is still about 10-15 miles away, right? (Which, for somebody relying on public transportation, is quite far away, and potentially impossible...)

that means nothing to the point. According to the Yellow Pages, there are 3 abortion providers within the city itself and 4 more within 10 miles. 7 places to receive an abortion is hardly supportive of the notion that anti-abortion activism has driven abortion to the "back alleys". They'd like to but that is not the case here.

I wonder if my cousin's basement is still one of those 7


ummm eww
 
2013-04-17 11:54:47 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Serious Black: The Republican Party is primarily controlled today by staunch conservatives who view compromise as tantamount to backstabbing God and having gay sex with Satan.

That sounds more like backstabbing Satan, NTTAWWT.


Hypothetical question: is it worse if you are the one backstabbing Satan or Satan is backstabbing you?
 
2013-04-17 12:01:13 PM  

Wessoman: Richard C Stanford: part of the problem: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Not accurate.
The clinic model was once believed to be a win for women's rights as it kept abortion out of the control of the hospital industry. Didnt work out so well but facts are facts.

Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.

Ok! This is completely farked up. This monster sould have his legs cut off with a dull hatchet and left in a locked basement. Or tossed to an angry mob to be beaten to death. Or crushed slowly feet first under a steamroller. Or have all his limbs ripped off with a blender and left to bleed out. Or be tied to a stake in the middle of a basin of sulfuric acid. Acually, all of these are to good for him.

Hey man, calm down. His fark name is "Part of the problem", so he's at least honest about his intentions. Besides, it was a brilliant troll. 9/10. Good job. Come in, threadshiat, cause a mess, lol at comments like yours.

 
2013-04-17 12:03:58 PM  
Should have been on the last post, but effing thing kicked back my image...
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2013-04-17 12:04:14 PM  

skullkrusher: YoungLochinvar: skullkrusher: QuesoDelicioso: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.

no, quite false. This is Philly. There are a number of Planned Parenthood locations and other safe and clean women's health clinics a short distance away from Kermit the Monster's clinic.

You realize that only 3 of the 20 Planned Parenthood clinics in PA offer abortion services, and that the closest one to Philly is still about 10-15 miles away, right? (Which, for somebody relying on public transportation, is quite far away, and potentially impossible...)

that means nothing to the point. According to the Yellow Pages, there are 3 abortion providers within the city itself and 4 more within 10 miles. 7 places to receive an abortion is hardly supportive of the notion that anti-abortion activism has driven abortion to the "back alleys". They'd like to but that is not the case here.


My Yellow Pages search turned up two in Philly, two more in Cherry Hill, nothing else within ten miles.

There's also the issue of funding - public funding (either through insurance for public employees or state aid) is only available in cases of endangerment, rape, or incest. That's also going to be a big deterrent.
 
2013-04-17 12:11:00 PM  

vernonFL: Another detail I find disturbing is that some of the workers at the clinic complained to the state board about it - and nothing was done.


The clinic hadn't been inspected in something like six years.

This is another case of Conservatives breaking government (in this case, allowing medical clinics to self-police) and then declaring that government doesn't work.

/His clinic was three blocks from my parents house
 
2013-04-17 12:14:23 PM  

Serious Black: Dr Dreidel: Serious Black: The Republican Party is primarily controlled today by staunch conservatives who view compromise as tantamount to backstabbing God and having gay sex with Satan.

That sounds more like backstabbing Satan, NTTAWWT.

Hypothetical question: is it worse if you are the one backstabbing Satan or Satan is backstabbing you?


From a Levitical perspective, they're equally wrong - they both get stoned.
From a biological or psychological perspective, I suppose it depends how you're wired.
 
2013-04-17 12:16:30 PM  

YoungLochinvar: skullkrusher: YoungLochinvar: skullkrusher: QuesoDelicioso: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.

no, quite false. This is Philly. There are a number of Planned Parenthood locations and other safe and clean women's health clinics a short distance away from Kermit the Monster's clinic.

You realize that only 3 of the 20 Planned Parenthood clinics in PA offer abortion services, and that the closest one to Philly is still about 10-15 miles away, right? (Which, for somebody relying on public transportation, is quite far away, and potentially impossible...)

that means nothing to the point. According to the Yellow Pages, there are 3 abortion providers within the city itself and 4 more within 10 miles. 7 places to receive an abortion is hardly supportive of the notion that anti-abortion activism has driven abortion to the "back alleys". They'd like to but that is not the case here.

My Yellow Pages search turned up two in Philly, two more in Cherry Hill, nothing else within ten miles.

There's also the issue of funding - public funding (either through insurance for public employees or state aid) is only available in cases of endangerment, rape, or incest. That's also going to be a big deterrent.


http://www.yellowpages.com/philadelphia-pa/abortion-clinics

funding is irrelevant to the immediate question but I am cool with no public funding for abortion except in those cases you mentioned
 
2013-04-17 12:16:46 PM  
Gosnell is like the Free Staters/Open Carry/Ahurrr-15 mental midgets that insist on waving their gundicks in everyone's face after some reject carries out another senseless massacre.

He is going to get your rights taken away by shocking and scaring the populace. Step on these people yourself or suffer the consequences.
 
2013-04-17 12:17:46 PM  

part of the problem: The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.


They feel as if they give even and inch or close down one clinic... that anything that the anti-abortion side will be happy about... it's a loss for their side.

They often say "safe, legal, and rare" but "safe" has no concern really. They use "safe" as a modifier for legal. Regulations designed to keep this from happening are called "hyper regulations" designed to shut down clinics. Inspections are treated as an attack.

When Louisiana closed down the New Orleans East clinic there was outrage by abortion rights activists even though there was the same health issues as what Gosnell's clinic was being accused of. Thankfully, IIRC, no woman died there before they shut it down.
 
2013-04-17 12:17:55 PM  

Wessoman: Richard C Stanford: part of the problem: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Not accurate.
The clinic model was once believed to be a win for women's rights as it kept abortion out of the control of the hospital industry. Didnt work out so well but facts are facts.

Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.

Ok! This is completely farked up. This monster sould have his legs cut off with a dull hatchet and left in a locked basement. Or tossed to an angry mob to be beaten to death. Or crushed slowly feet first under a steamroller. Or have all his limbs ripped off with a blender and left to bleed out. Or be tied to a stake in the middle of a basin of sulfuric acid. Acually, all of these are to good for him.

Hey man, calm down. His fark name is "Part of the problem", so he's at least honest about his intentions. Besides, it was a brilliant troll. 9/10. Good job. Come in, threadshiat, cause a mess, lol at comments like yours.


I was referring to doctor sickfark.
 
2013-04-17 12:20:43 PM  

Mrbogey: part of the problem: The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.

They feel as if they give even and inch or close down one clinic... that anything that the anti-abortion side will be happy about... it's a loss for their side.

They often say "safe, legal, and rare" but "safe" has no concern really. They use "safe" as a modifier for legal. Regulations designed to keep this from happening are called "hyper regulations" designed to shut down clinics. Inspections are treated as an attack.

When Louisiana closed down the New Orleans East clinic there was outrage by abortion rights activists even though there was the same health issues as what Gosnell's clinic was being accused of. Thankfully, IIRC, no woman died there before they shut it down.


Trolls responding to trolls responding to trolls...
 
2013-04-17 12:23:47 PM  

willfullyobscure: Gosnell is like the Free Staters/Open Carry/Ahurrr-15 mental midgets that insist on waving their gundicks in everyone's face after some reject carries out another senseless massacre.

He is going to get your rights taken away by shocking and scaring the populace. Step on these people yourself or suffer the consequences.


that is the holocaust of analogies
 
2013-04-17 12:35:01 PM  

madgonad: Both sides are wrong -


oh boy tell me more
 
2013-04-17 12:35:53 PM  
Nice to see that skullcrusher is still the thick-headed asshole he's always been.
 
2013-04-17 12:37:48 PM  
All of my pro-life friends are surprised that I think this guy is a monster because I'm pro-choice. That will tell you how one dimensional their grasp of this issue is. You either murder babies or you don't.
 
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