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(The Atlantic)   In a masterpiece of goalpost-moving, columnist opines that the Gosnell case is the anti-abortion movement's fault because they didn't badger his clinic enough   (theatlantic.com) divider line 184
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2013-04-17 09:29:19 AM
The article does make an interesting point: how can there be people camped out there with the stated intent of shutting the place down not have noticed anything?

The most likely answer, to me, is that these protestors had no real interaction with the women going there other than screaming "MURDERER WHORE!" at them.  And the women who had been victimized by this true monster didn't feel like they could get any real help from them.
 
2013-04-17 09:34:55 AM
Another detail I find disturbing is that some of the workers at the clinic complained to the state board about it - and nothing was done.
 
2013-04-17 09:43:02 AM
And as far as [Edel Finnegan] is concerned, every abortion clinic is a house of horrors, full stop, meaning that Gosnell's was no different: "What's happening at this abortion facility, it's happening at every abortion facility."

Getting an abortion at eight weeks, when the fetus is just on the verge of detectability with an ultrasound, is exactly the same as giving birth to a live baby and snipping its spinal cord. Got it.
 
2013-04-17 09:45:08 AM

vernonFL: Another detail I find disturbing is that some of the workers at the clinic complained to the state board about it - and nothing was done.


That's the real story here - the stunning incompetence of the Pennsylvania government seems to be demonstrated several times a year.

If this is going on in Philadelphia, what the hell is happening in the rest of the state?
 
2013-04-17 09:48:14 AM
The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.
 
2013-04-17 09:49:21 AM
Is this related to the trial that the media is blacking out that I keep hearing about everywhere constantly?
 
2013-04-17 09:49:34 AM

YixilTesiphon: That's the real story here - the stunning incompetence of the Pennsylvania government seems to be demonstrated several times a year.


Supposedly abortion clinics don't have to meet standards that other medical offices do - for example I heard that Dentists are regulated more than abortion clinics as far as cleanliness standards and such.

I don't know if that last statement is even true. But that is what my anti-abortion friends have told me.
 
2013-04-17 09:50:37 AM

Serious Black: And as far as [Edel Finnegan] is concerned, every abortion clinic is a house of horrors, full stop, meaning that Gosnell's was no different: "What's happening at this abortion facility, it's happening at every abortion facility."

Getting an abortion at eight weeks, when the fetus is just on the verge of detectability with an ultrasound, is exactly the same as giving birth to a live baby and snipping its spinal cord. Got it.


If you're pro-life yeah, that's exactly it. Taking the morning after pill is no different than grabbing a toddler and bashing its head against the wall.

And because that's insane the moderates have generally won out on the abortion issue.
 
2013-04-17 09:50:50 AM

YixilTesiphon: vernonFL: Another detail I find disturbing is that some of the workers at the clinic complained to the state board about it - and nothing was done.

That's the real story here - the stunning incompetence of the Pennsylvania government seems to be demonstrated several times a year.

If this is going on in Philadelphia, what the hell is happening in the rest of the state?


I for one am shocked at this unprecedented example of Pennsylvania public employees deliberately turning a blind eye toward systematic violent crimes against children.
 
2013-04-17 09:53:14 AM
Well, one could certainly argue that the anti-abortion movement helped him out by over-regulating all the other clinics in the area into closure, forcing women to attend his horrific death shop instead. Of course, that doesn't make him any less guilty or disgusting, before any trolls jump on me for "Defending" his oxygen-thieving ass.
 
2013-04-17 09:54:39 AM

odinsposse: Serious Black: And as far as [Edel Finnegan] is concerned, every abortion clinic is a house of horrors, full stop, meaning that Gosnell's was no different: "What's happening at this abortion facility, it's happening at every abortion facility."

Getting an abortion at eight weeks, when the fetus is just on the verge of detectability with an ultrasound, is exactly the same as giving birth to a live baby and snipping its spinal cord. Got it.

If you're pro-life yeah, that's exactly it. Taking the morning after pill is no different than grabbing a toddler and bashing its head against the wall.

And because that's insane the moderates have generally won out on the abortion issue.


Yeah, conflating a premeditated murder with taking Plan B is pretty damn ludicrous.
 
2013-04-17 09:58:39 AM

vernonFL: Supposedly abortion clinics don't have to meet standards that other medical offices do - for example I heard that Dentists are regulated more than abortion clinics as far as cleanliness standards and such. I don't know if that last statement is even true. But that is what my anti-abortion friends have told me.


Your anti-choice friends lied to you. Pennsylvania has very strict laws.
 
2013-04-17 09:59:03 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.


This would make way more sense if this happened in an alleyway instead of a supposedly legitimate clinic.

This is nothing more or less than a murder case.
 
2013-04-17 10:00:58 AM
This is totally the fault of people who disagree with my politics and I desperately need to make that point clear so that I can feel validated.
 
2013-04-17 10:01:47 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Well, one could certainly argue that the anti-abortion movement helped him out by over-regulating all the other clinics in the area into closure, forcing women to attend his horrific death shop instead. Of course, that doesn't make him any less guilty or disgusting, before any trolls jump on me for "Defending" his oxygen-thieving ass.


I think this, also.  When you badger all the conscientious doctors who would have performed abortions in a safe, sterile, professional manner but for being called murderers, getting death threats and having threats of their places of business bombed, you run the risk of being left with less caring, less careful, less professional doctors doing abortions instead.  Make abortions completely illegal, and this guys clinic is going to look like Sloan-Kettering.
 
2013-04-17 10:03:42 AM

YixilTesiphon: what the hell is happening in the rest of the state?


www.landbin.com

// pic is actually of MN/WI
// there is nothing in PA once you get outside the 4 "cities" (Phila/Pgh/HBurg/Scranton)
 
2013-04-17 10:09:32 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.


Not accurate.
The clinic model was once believed to be a win for women's rights as it kept abortion out of the control of the hospital industry. Didnt work out so well but facts are facts.

Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.
 
2013-04-17 10:10:46 AM

vernonFL: YixilTesiphon: That's the real story here - the stunning incompetence of the Pennsylvania government seems to be demonstrated several times a year.

Supposedly abortion clinics don't have to meet standards that other medical offices do - for example I heard that Dentists are regulated more than abortion clinics as far as cleanliness standards and such.

I don't know if that last statement is even true. But that is what my anti-abortion friends have told me.


Well, for one thing, I doubt there's all that many facilities that specialize in abortions. Most of these are general women's health clinics, that also perform abortions. Most of them aren't non-profit facilities, so they couldn't specialize in giving abortions even if they wanted to, unless every other place where a woman could get an abortion was somehow pushed into not doing those, leaving you the only game in town. It's a lot like with Planned Parenthood, where something like 3% of what they do involves abortions.
 
2013-04-17 10:11:36 AM

part of the problem: Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?


Every liberal I've seen cover this, including the pro-choice feminist blogosphere who have been covering this story from the very beginning, have said exactly that. Maybe lay off the blanket statements.
 
2013-04-17 10:12:15 AM

part of the problem: Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?


Which has been pointed out many times in this thread and others on the subject.

part of the problem: The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter.


Oh you're just a troll.  Nevermind.
 
2013-04-17 10:12:51 AM

Serious Black: And as far as [Edel Finnegan] is concerned, every abortion clinic is a house of horrors, full stop, meaning that Gosnell's was no different: "What's happening at this abortion facility, it's happening at every abortion facility."

Getting an abortion at eight weeks, when the fetus is just on the verge of detectability with an ultrasound, is exactly the same as giving birth to a live baby and snipping its spinal cord. Got it.


According to extreme "pro-life" advocates, an unintentional spontaneous expulsion of an unknowingly recently fertilized egg triggered by use of aspirin taken to relieve the discomfort of a minor headache is logically equivalent to giving birth to a live baby and snipping its spinal cord. Extreme "pro-life" advocates lack any reason or rationality.
 
2013-04-17 10:12:54 AM

part of the problem: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Not accurate.
The clinic model was once believed to be a win for women's rights as it kept abortion out of the control of the hospital industry. Didnt work out so well but facts are facts.

Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.


When liberals start bombing evangelical's churches, harassing preachers' families, standing in front of churches preaching about the evils of their faith, and shooting preachers, then you might have room to talk. Until then, shut the fark up.
 
2013-04-17 10:13:20 AM

Fart_Machine: Oh you're just a troll.  Nevermind.


Doesn't his username make that obvious?
 
2013-04-17 10:16:08 AM
The people who have politicized this make me sick. Besides, it's their side's fault this happened.
 
2013-04-17 10:19:01 AM

part of the problem: Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts.



I'm a liberal, and like practically all of us dirty libs I will say that this was a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur.

Have you been around here long? Straw man arguments like that thing you pulled out of your ass about impure thoughts won't get you very far.
 
2013-04-17 10:21:47 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Well, one could certainly argue that the anti-abortion movement helped him out by over-regulating all the other clinics in the area into closure, forcing women to attend his horrific death shop instead. Of course, that doesn't make him any less guilty or disgusting, before any trolls jump on me for "Defending" his oxygen-thieving ass.


one could not argue that because it isn't true.
 
2013-04-17 10:22:35 AM
Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.
 
2013-04-17 10:23:26 AM

Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.


This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)
 
2013-04-17 10:30:03 AM

YixilTesiphon: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

This would make way more sense if this happened in an alleyway instead of a supposedly legitimate clinic.

This is nothing more or less than a murder case.


"Legitimate"?

Have you SEEN the dump he was working in?
 
2013-04-17 10:32:06 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.


Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.
 
2013-04-17 10:32:51 AM

Nabb1: The people who have politicized this make me sick. Besides, it's their side's fault this happened.


Politicizing events like this and Sandy Hooks is what makes America great.
 
2013-04-17 10:34:37 AM

QuesoDelicioso: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Exactly right. Bloody coat-hangers and dead women are what they apparently wanted, and I suppose it's what they're gonna get.


no, quite false. This is Philly. There are a number of Planned Parenthood locations and other safe and clean women's health clinics a short distance away from Kermit the Monster's clinic.
 
2013-04-17 10:36:54 AM

Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.


Agreed. Unlike what the mouthbreather brigade might say, Liberals, Moderates, and genuine Conservatives (Such as myself) all want Abortion to be legal and SAFE. Making abortion illegal would mean an exponential increase in this very situation.

This is and remains a healthcare issue. It is a genuine barometer of just how bad Healthcare in this country really is. The fact that it's an abortion clinic is why you are hearing about it, but I am sure if you peruse your local paper the last three years, you can find a story of an unsanitary healthcare provider shut down. Heck, not so long ago when I was in Nashville, there was this story about this place improperly disposing of dead bodies. To me, that's far worse, and I wonder just how many places slip through the cracks...
 
2013-04-17 10:37:20 AM

skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)



Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?
 
2013-04-17 10:39:01 AM

Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)


Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?


clearly not. Are you saying we don't currently have oversight over the abortion business?
 
2013-04-17 10:39:51 AM
While it may be worth the local and national news organizations asking themselves why they didn't cover it, that is itself not news.  They absolutely shouldn't be putting this discussion about their own journalism standards out there as news to the public.  They SHOULD be covering why the state and federal regulatory bodies didn't take care of it.

"NEWS" is about news, not about news organizations.
 
2013-04-17 10:40:07 AM

Lord_Baull: Nabb1: The people who have politicized this make me sick. Besides, it's their side's fault this happened.

Politicizing events like this and Sandy Hooks is what makes America great.


Aaaand there is so much wrong with that attempt at snark I don't know where to begin.
 
2013-04-17 10:43:13 AM

skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)


Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?

clearly not. Are you saying we don't currently have oversight over the abortion business?


Lord Baull is right. We simply do not have genuinely good oversight over a lot of things. Medical facilities are one. And if you want to keep yourself up at night, look at the USDA. Now excuse me, citizen, my tax dollars will be used to buy more F-22's and tax cuts for wealthy idiots.
 
2013-04-17 10:43:31 AM

skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)


Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?

clearly not. Are you saying we don't currently have oversight over the abortion business?



Um, no?
 
2013-04-17 10:44:28 AM

Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)


Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?

clearly not. Are you saying we don't currently have oversight over the abortion business?


Um, no?


that was the snark.
Nevermind
 
2013-04-17 10:44:48 AM

part of the problem: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Not accurate.
The clinic model was once believed to be a win for women's rights as it kept abortion out of the control of the hospital industry. Didnt work out so well but facts are facts.

Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.


Ok! This is completely farked up. This monster sould have his legs cut off with a dull hatchet and left in a locked basement. Or tossed to an angry mob to be beaten to death. Or crushed slowly feet first under a steamroller. Or have all his limbs ripped off with a blender and left to bleed out. Or be tied to a stake in the middle of a basin of sulfuric acid. Acually, all of these are to good for him.
 
2013-04-17 10:46:25 AM

Wessoman: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)


Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?

clearly not. Are you saying we don't currently have oversight over the abortion business?

Lord Baull is right. We simply do not have genuinely good oversight over a lot of things. Medical facilities are one. And if you want to keep yourself up at night, look at the USDA. Now excuse me, citizen, my tax dollars will be used to buy more F-22's and tax cuts for wealthy idiots.


Dunno, my experiences with doctor's offices and hospitals have been good ones. I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is. Someone should start a medical office inspection business and give out grades to pick up the slack where it exists. Maybe the AMA can do it
 
2013-04-17 10:48:09 AM

cefm: While it may be worth the local and national news organizations asking themselves why they didn't cover it, that is itself not news.


Au contraire. It may not be LATE-BREAKING EYEWITNESS NEWS NOW TAKES YOU TO THE SCENE, but it is newsworthy - it's informational, and far more so than "was Kim Kardashian paid to get fat?"

My own theory is that it somehow "flew under the radar", or people were so disgusted by it when it was first reported that they stopped reporting on it. I heard this story break (or maybe it was even old then?) about a month ago on the radio, then nothing for 3 weeks, and now it's back because "it wasn't covered"? The details of this case being so obviously gruesome and the fail being spread to so many people - both medicos and government, public and private - I'm not surprised the story didn't look like it had legs* until the pro-lifers started humping it.

*pun not intended, but I won't be upset if you chuckle.
 
2013-04-17 10:49:30 AM

Richard C Stanford: part of the problem: Marcus Aurelius: The anti-abortionists drove the procedure out of hospitals and into back alleyways.  This is the result of all their hard work.

Not accurate.
The clinic model was once believed to be a win for women's rights as it kept abortion out of the control of the hospital industry. Didnt work out so well but facts are facts.

Why is it so hard for liberals to just say this is a horrible and monstrous event that should never have been allowed to occur nevermind what you think of abortion?

The simple answer is that liberals are incapable of thinking ideologically impire thoughts. Or any other kind of thoughts for that matter. Just admit this is sick, politics be dammed.

Ok! This is completely farked up. This monster sould have his legs cut off with a dull hatchet and left in a locked basement. Or tossed to an angry mob to be beaten to death. Or crushed slowly feet first under a steamroller. Or have all his limbs ripped off with a blender and left to bleed out. Or be tied to a stake in the middle of a basin of sulfuric acid. Acually, all of these are to good for him.


Hey man, calm down. His fark name is "Part of the problem", so he's at least honest about his intentions. Besides, it was a brilliant troll. 9/10. Good job. Come in, threadshiat, cause a mess, lol at comments like yours.
 
2013-04-17 10:49:59 AM
skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."
 
2013-04-17 10:52:46 AM

skullkrusher: Wessoman: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)


Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?

clearly not. Are you saying we don't currently have oversight over the abortion business?

Lord Baull is right. We simply do not have genuinely good oversight over a lot of things. Medical facilities are one. And if you want to keep yourself up at night, look at the USDA. Now excuse me, citizen, my tax dollars will be used to buy more F-22's and tax cuts for wealthy idiots.

Dunno, my experiences with doctor's offices and hospitals have been good ones. I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is. Someone should start a medical office inspection business and give out grades to pick up the slack where it exists. Maybe the AMA can do it


Better yet, maybe the AMA could actually get some funding. You make a better argument for larger government oversight, which we do need in this situation. Kudos for coming around.
 
2013-04-17 10:53:49 AM

Lord_Baull: skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."


I don't know that it occurs anywhere. I suppose it is likely as no oversight is perfect, I've never seen it and I've never heard anyone I know say they had a disgusting experience at the dentist or gyno outside of the necessary disgustingness of those 2 sorts of visits.

We could have a government overseer in every doctor's office in the country and have an overseer of the overseer to make sure the first isn't on the take and still not eliminate the possibility of it happening.
 
2013-04-17 10:54:37 AM
Is it communism?
 
2013-04-17 10:54:40 AM

Lord_Baull: skullkrusher:  I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is.


If it occurs anywhere, it is a problem.
That's kinda like saying, "The meat I get at my grocery store is okay, so I'm not sure there are any stores selling rancid meat."


Don't make him try and think outside his bubble.
 
2013-04-17 10:55:05 AM

Wessoman: skullkrusher: Wessoman: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: skullkrusher: Lord_Baull: Take a good look pro-lifers. This is what happens when you remove the oversight and safety from the procedure.

Abortion won't magically disappear if it's outlawed anymore than marijuana has.

This is apparently what happens when you don't too ;)


Are you saying oversight and safety were being administered over there?

clearly not. Are you saying we don't currently have oversight over the abortion business?

Lord Baull is right. We simply do not have genuinely good oversight over a lot of things. Medical facilities are one. And if you want to keep yourself up at night, look at the USDA. Now excuse me, citizen, my tax dollars will be used to buy more F-22's and tax cuts for wealthy idiots.

Dunno, my experiences with doctor's offices and hospitals have been good ones. I'd imagine somewhere there are problems but I don't no how epidemic it is. Someone should start a medical office inspection business and give out grades to pick up the slack where it exists. Maybe the AMA can do it

Better yet, maybe the AMA could actually get some funding. You make a better argument for larger government oversight, which we do need in this situation. Kudos for coming around.


coming around to what?
The AMA has over 200,000 members. I think they'd have the funding if they wanted it.
 
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