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(Salon)   Actual headline: "Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American." Because if there is one thing Americans can't stand, it is foreigners taking our jobs   (salon.com) divider line 35
    More: Asinine, Boston Marathon, Americans, Irish Republican Army, existential threat, David Sirota, Islamists, Department of Homeland Security, Tim Wise  
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2013-04-17 08:37:07 AM
6 votes:
There is a double standard: White terrorists are dealt with as lone wolves, Islamists are existential threats

first, this guy was considered a lone wolf: encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com.

So was the Fort Hood guy.

Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

What larger group was the Unabomber working for?  He was operating as a lone wolf.
2013-04-17 08:54:17 AM
5 votes:

SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.


I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.
2013-04-17 09:50:14 AM
4 votes:
When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.
2013-04-17 08:57:46 AM
4 votes:
FTFA: In those awful episodes, a religious or ethnic minority group lacking such privilege would likely be collectively slandered and/or targeted with surveillance or profiling (or worse) if some of its individuals comprised most of the mass shooters. However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes.Likewise, in the context of terrorist attacks, such privilege means white non-Islamic terrorists are typically portrayed not as representative of whole groups or ideologies, but as "lone wolf" threats to be dealt with as isolated law enforcement matters.

He's not wrong. In fact he's pretty dead on.To a lesser extent you can see this in American historical perspective with Black radicals, and other groups that were not considered "white" at the time: re: the association of European racial minorities with anarchism or treason throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries. But yeah, the headline is unnecessarily provocative and somewhat misleading.
2013-04-17 09:19:18 AM
2 votes:
We're going to find the motherfarker, whomever it is, and tear them a new asshole.
2013-04-17 08:50:39 AM
2 votes:
For the psyche of Americans, TFA is basically correct. We deal with terrorists from white people much more sanely, as pathetic as that is.
2013-04-17 08:48:30 AM
2 votes:
Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.
2013-04-17 08:25:16 AM
2 votes:
There is a double standard: White terrorists are dealt with as lone wolves, Islamists are existential threatsIf you disagree with this, welp congrats on living in imagination land
2013-04-17 10:57:58 AM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Yeah, there were just so few even though you had so much hand-wringing about making sure to point out that not all Muslims were not terrorists. Bush himself came and said that multiple times.


You must have an exceptionally large hand:

ww3.hdnux.com
2013-04-17 10:50:03 AM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: vygramul: To be fair, if someone bombed a minority neighborhood, killing mostly black people, I'd hope it WASN'T a white guy.

But why? The overwhelming majority (99.9999%) of white people in America will be appalled and denounce this. It's not like either African-Americans are going to think that suddenly the population think that it's ok, or go out in the street and start lynching white people. It would do exactly zero damage to race relations, as much as white power types might wish it did.

It's not like African-Americans would react 'Oh, the bomber was one of us? Then I guess it's not as bad!'


Because racial tensions are not in a good place. We don't need roving bands of ignorant rednecks killing Sikhs because some brown person did it. And we don't need roaming bands of ignorant thugs killing the local crackers because some albino motherfarker did it.

In other words, every race has its roaming bands of jacktards, and I'd rather not see them energized to go do something misguided.
2013-04-17 10:38:08 AM
1 votes:
If it is a foreigner we will never be rid of the "patriot act" in fact they will probably and things to it and  rename it "The star spangled patriot act"

It's probably a crazy nutter that was tossed out of the Aryan nation for being too crazy or something.
2013-04-17 10:30:58 AM
1 votes:

Tatsuma: octopied: Let's hope people are smart enough not to blame/target an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. Let's go with that, shall we?

Which is exactly what the idiots whining and crying about 'Let's hope it's a white guy!!' are doing about white people, because they assume that the gut reaction of all those other white people (the ones saying that are always white) will be to go out int he street and start lynching brown people.

Self-hating racists are the worst.


To be fair, if someone bombed a minority neighborhood, killing mostly black people, I'd hope it WASN'T a white guy.

Therefore, racism isn't the issue.
2013-04-17 10:20:18 AM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Wendy's Chili: HAMMERTOE: Where is the media fury? Where are the liberal cries to outlaw evil-looking "assault bombs"? Where are the cries to outlaw explosive substances wholesale? Explosive substances have but one purpose, (to ignite and burn explosively and destructively,) just like "guns have but one purpose, to kill." Where are the cries for background checks to purchase gasoline, or limiting possession to say, seven gallons at a time, no matter what size the gas tank?

Eh, no ulterior motives, I guess.

The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.

It's a good thing fireworks don't have gunpowder in them.


It's a good thing fireworks are banned in Massachusetts.
2013-04-17 10:10:09 AM
1 votes:

LordJiro: Because Christians have such a spotless, blood-free history, right? Things would TOTALLY be different if the theocratic tyrants and crazy terrorist-cult leaders were Christian!

The religion isn't the problem. When extremists have power, THAT is the problem.


Actually, I'm going to on record and avow that religion gives extremists and terrorists a support system, reinforces their prejudices and feelings of alienation towards people who don't share the worship of their particular imaginary friend, and a crowd to hide amongst until they feel ready to strike.
2013-04-17 10:05:27 AM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: jaybeezey: I think that if i were going to be toting around a bomb in a public place i wouldn't want it to be sloshing around and shiat.

A box of Tide helps turn gasoline to napalm. Sloshing problem solved.


Thank you citizen.  You will be receiving a call shortly...

www.geek.com
2013-04-17 09:57:43 AM
1 votes:
It must be, because black people can't figure out bombs, and the Asians would have made a smaller, more sophisticated one.
2013-04-17 09:57:38 AM
1 votes:
After OKC, the Militia movement was all anyone talked about when it came to US terrorism. It took 9/11 to change that. And, not surprisingly, while the militia movement still exists and is dangerous, Islamism is still and rightfully considered a bigger threat because it's killed more people and has a large base of support outside of this country where we can't get to it.
2013-04-17 09:53:52 AM
1 votes:

MilesTeg: Fairly successful troll by Salon.com. Has some key attributes to a good troll. Juvenile thinking and conclusions dressed up to sound intellectual for the weak minded. Also includes the standard liberal race baiting.

Then again, since the site lives on being trollish and creating content for the sole purpose of being linked to on news aggregators, not unexpected.

3/10


You could have saved a lot of keystrokes and just typed "LIBS!" with as many exclamation points as you deemed necessary.
2013-04-17 09:38:41 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

What larger group was the Unabomber working for?  He was operating as a lone wolf.


Thanks. You just confirmed what the article said.
2013-04-17 09:34:51 AM
1 votes:
from the troll article:

"White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came.."

Apparently you've missed this conversation in the news the last 2 months:

static.guim.co.uk

Yes, it's illegal for us to carpet bomb domestic terrorists, because they're CITIZENS and therefore protected by our legal justice system rights.

But don't worry, we're working on getting around it.
2013-04-17 09:29:39 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.


Standing next to an IED made by a white guy poses the same threat to your existence as standing next to one made by an Arab guy.
2013-04-17 09:29:36 AM
1 votes:
Perhaps this was the real target, and the bomber just got garbled instructions:

www.pbs.org
2013-04-17 09:27:46 AM
1 votes:
I am starting to think it is. This sounds and feels much more like the Olympic Park bombing than anything else.
2013-04-17 09:26:18 AM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


I got a threatening letter from Albert Camus, I considered that an existential threat and I feel justified in that!
2013-04-17 09:25:46 AM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: For the psyche of Americans, TFA is basically correct. We deal with terrorists from white people much more sanely, as pathetic as that is.


As a whole, yes.  It's part of human nature to treat "the other" worse than someone you might identify a bit with.  However, within the US, there is the same amount of hatred for "the other" between groups: Urban vs. rural, Left vs. Right, white vs. black,  black vs. Latino, etc.

In fact, the author is engaging in their own hatred here in hoping it is his "other".  How about we put the political grandstanding and cheerleading on hold until we get some investigation done?

/most of the "reporting" in the 24-48 hours after a major event turns out wrong, a lie, or both.
2013-04-17 09:25:35 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: What larger group was the Unabomber working for? He was operating as a lone wolf.


A lone wolf is one who is sympathetic to a larger movement's ideology but acts by themselves. The Unabomber was a nut who sent out mail bombs because he had a gripe with modern technology.
2013-04-17 09:23:16 AM
1 votes:

Nabb1: Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?


There is a large information vacuum right now, and nature abhors a vacuum.  It will be filled, and it's said to say, most of what gets written is drivel anyway.
2013-04-17 09:02:45 AM
1 votes:
So what's this guys' Fark handle?
2013-04-17 08:52:46 AM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.


I'm putting a dollar on this in Vegas
2013-04-17 08:49:41 AM
1 votes:
I just hope they're crazy.

Not "the gubermint is poisonin' us with fluoride and imported sponges from gay-lovin' countries" crazy, more like "those buildings look structurally unsound, so I'll deliver a contained blast of nails to provide architectural support, which will count as a good deed towards getting me out of this Matrix-like virtual reality simulator" kind of crazy.
2013-04-17 08:47:04 AM
1 votes:

Rev. Skarekroe: Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?


That's why I wouldn't call this a terrorist attack, despite the fact that we call every act of violence a terrorist attack nowadays. Like the Batman theater shooter. They kept calling it terrorism but it was just a psycho with a lot of guns. Terrorists have agendas that they let you know about.
2013-04-17 08:44:23 AM
1 votes:
Perfect Fark article for the usual idiots.

/*looks upthread*
//Not white
2013-04-17 08:25:53 AM
1 votes:
The new commenting box is an existential threat to html formatting
2013-04-17 08:16:24 AM
1 votes:
Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?
2013-04-17 08:15:49 AM
1 votes:
Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?
 
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