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(Salon)   Actual headline: "Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American." Because if there is one thing Americans can't stand, it is foreigners taking our jobs   (salon.com) divider line 259
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2013-04-17 08:13:45 AM
However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes.

Yeah, surf's up! Gnarly!
 
2013-04-17 08:15:49 AM
Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?
 
2013-04-17 08:16:24 AM
Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?
 
2013-04-17 08:25:16 AM
There is a double standard: White terrorists are dealt with as lone wolves, Islamists are existential threatsIf you disagree with this, welp congrats on living in imagination land
 
2013-04-17 08:25:53 AM
The new commenting box is an existential threat to html formatting
 
2013-04-17 08:37:07 AM
There is a double standard: White terrorists are dealt with as lone wolves, Islamists are existential threats

first, this guy was considered a lone wolf: encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com.

So was the Fort Hood guy.

Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

What larger group was the Unabomber working for?  He was operating as a lone wolf.
 
2013-04-17 08:44:23 AM
Perfect Fark article for the usual idiots.

/*looks upthread*
//Not white
 
2013-04-17 08:47:04 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?


That's why I wouldn't call this a terrorist attack, despite the fact that we call every act of violence a terrorist attack nowadays. Like the Batman theater shooter. They kept calling it terrorism but it was just a psycho with a lot of guns. Terrorists have agendas that they let you know about.
 
2013-04-17 08:48:30 AM
Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.
 
2013-04-17 08:49:41 AM
I just hope they're crazy.

Not "the gubermint is poisonin' us with fluoride and imported sponges from gay-lovin' countries" crazy, more like "those buildings look structurally unsound, so I'll deliver a contained blast of nails to provide architectural support, which will count as a good deed towards getting me out of this Matrix-like virtual reality simulator" kind of crazy.
 
2013-04-17 08:50:39 AM
For the psyche of Americans, TFA is basically correct. We deal with terrorists from white people much more sanely, as pathetic as that is.
 
2013-04-17 08:52:46 AM

Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.


I'm putting a dollar on this in Vegas
 
2013-04-17 08:54:17 AM

SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.


I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.
 
2013-04-17 08:55:30 AM

RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


Exactly. The Soviets were, in theory, an existential threat because they could drop nukes on all our major cities. Islamic terrorists are pissants.
 
2013-04-17 08:55:38 AM

Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.


also he's a brony
 
2013-04-17 08:56:16 AM

RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


Literally?
 
2013-04-17 08:56:36 AM

RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will may have the potential to end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


Actually, I'm going to clarify that sentence a bit. See how I'm trying to be precise about my meaning? Try doing that instead of hand-wringing, teeth-gnashing fear-mongering.
 
2013-04-17 08:57:46 AM
FTFA: In those awful episodes, a religious or ethnic minority group lacking such privilege would likely be collectively slandered and/or targeted with surveillance or profiling (or worse) if some of its individuals comprised most of the mass shooters. However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes.Likewise, in the context of terrorist attacks, such privilege means white non-Islamic terrorists are typically portrayed not as representative of whole groups or ideologies, but as "lone wolf" threats to be dealt with as isolated law enforcement matters.

He's not wrong. In fact he's pretty dead on.To a lesser extent you can see this in American historical perspective with Black radicals, and other groups that were not considered "white" at the time: re: the association of European racial minorities with anarchism or treason throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries. But yeah, the headline is unnecessarily provocative and somewhat misleading.
 
2013-04-17 08:58:01 AM

Jackson Herring: Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.

also he's a brony


Looks like every Farker in the wrestling threads is gonna get an FBI visit now.
 
2013-04-17 08:58:36 AM

Jackson Herring: also he's an Israelian brony

 
2013-04-17 09:01:10 AM

miss diminutive: Jackson Herring: also he's an Israelian brony


And his agenda is simply that he hates Col. Sanders for making pressure cookers popular.
 
2013-04-17 09:01:43 AM

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will may have the potential to end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

Actually, I'm going to clarify that sentence a bit. See how I'm trying to be precise about my meaning? Try doing that instead of hand-wringing, teeth-gnashing fear-mongering.


If you are being precise, what do you mean by "end the existence to the thing"
?
 
2013-04-17 09:02:45 AM
So what's this guys' Fark handle?
 
2013-04-17 09:05:00 AM

RexTalionis: An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.


I don't think the author would disagree with that. Islamism is perceived and promoted by reactionary American politicians and groups as an existential threat ('FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: SHARIALAW WILL END AMERICA AS WE KNOW IT") in the same way that the Birchers used to treat the UN as an existential threat. The maintenance of fear and paranoia requires the stand-in objects to be this powerful in the minds of those promoting the fear and paranoia in the populace. That's why you see accusations like "History's Greatest Monster" hurled at the President. That at happens within culture instead of nukes makes it all the more INSIDIOUS.
 
2013-04-17 09:07:32 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will may have the potential to end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

Actually, I'm going to clarify that sentence a bit. See how I'm trying to be precise about my meaning? Try doing that instead of hand-wringing, teeth-gnashing fear-mongering.

If you are being precise, what do you mean by "end the existence to the thing"
?


ex·ist·ence
noun
/igˈzistəns/
existences, plural

The fact or state of living or having objective reality- the plane was the oldest Boeing remaining in existence- the need to acknowledge the existence of a problemContinued survival- she helped to keep the company alive when its very existence was threatenedA way of living- living in a city was more expensive than a rural existenceAny of a person's supposed current, future, or past lives on this earth- reaping the consequences of evil deeds sown in previous existencesA being or entityAll that exists
 
2013-04-17 09:08:55 AM
Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.
 
2013-04-17 09:11:38 AM

Pocket Ninja: Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.


You're better than that.
 
2013-04-17 09:18:16 AM
I hope it's a small Malaysian orphan.
 
2013-04-17 09:18:20 AM

RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.



But but but I read Nietsche in my women's studies undergraduate seminar on deconstructing the tropes of the patriachal white hegemony.  So there.
 
2013-04-17 09:18:27 AM

Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.


And a woman named Frieda.
 
2013-04-17 09:18:29 AM

Pocket Ninja: Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.


But pressure cookers? Come now. Nothing you propose covers his hate for a pressurized cooking device for speedy deep frying of chicken with 11 herbs and spices.

I think your scenario is therefore far fetched.

This was clearly the work of a transsexual failed pole dancer who is overweight due to KFC.
 
2013-04-17 09:19:18 AM
We're going to find the motherfarker, whomever it is, and tear them a new asshole.
 
2013-04-17 09:20:34 AM

I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.

But pressure cookers? Come now. Nothing you propose covers his hate for a pressurized cooking device for speedy deep frying of chicken with 11 herbs and spices.

I think your scenario is therefore far fetched.

This was clearly the work of a transsexual failed pole dancer who is overweight due to KFC.


I really hope this doesn't lead to a ban of 11 herbs and spices. :(
 
2013-04-17 09:21:39 AM
Dear Slate editorial staff: please self-defenestrate for letting this headline through..
 
2013-04-17 09:21:44 AM
Well, the actual headline is attention whoring, but the article does make some good points.

Namely, Neo-Cons are stupid.
 
2013-04-17 09:21:56 AM

Jake Havechek: We're going to find the motherfarker, whomever it is, and tear them a new asshole.


We will call him 3 hole Jane.
 
2013-04-17 09:22:22 AM

muck4doo: I really hope this doesn't lead to a ban of 11 herbs and spices. :(


Too late. KFC is already going to stop selling friend chicken... because it hates freedom.
 
2013-04-17 09:23:16 AM

Nabb1: Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?


There is a large information vacuum right now, and nature abhors a vacuum.  It will be filled, and it's said to say, most of what gets written is drivel anyway.
 
2013-04-17 09:23:41 AM

Jake Havechek: We're going to find the motherfarker, whomever it is, and tear them a new asshole.


No, they're going to find a scapegoat to stop people from panicking while the parties responsible get away with it for a decade or so until they're finally caught and it'll be on the back page of the paper.
 
2013-04-17 09:24:30 AM

Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.


tromoticons.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-17 09:24:39 AM
White power makes my kitchen sparkle.
 
2013-04-17 09:24:42 AM

RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will may have the potential to end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

Actually, I'm going to clarify that sentence a bit. See how I'm trying to be precise about my meaning? Try doing that instead of hand-wringing, teeth-gnashing fear-mongering.

If you are being precise, what do you mean by "end the existence to the thing"
?

ex·ist·ence
noun/igˈzistəns/
existences, plural

The fact or state of living or having objective reality- the plane was the oldest Boeing remaining in existence- the need to acknowledge the existence of a problemContinued survival- she helped to keep the company alive when its very existence was threatenedA way of living- living in a city was more expensive than a rural existenceAny of a person's supposed current, future, or past lives on this earth- reaping the consequences of evil deeds sown in previous existencesA being or entityAll that exists


So shouldn't it by

"End the existence OF the thing "
?

Since you were trying to be precise.
 
2013-04-17 09:25:29 AM

Nabb1: Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?


It's not like you paid to read it though.....
 
2013-04-17 09:25:34 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: muck4doo: I really hope this doesn't lead to a ban of 11 herbs and spices. :(

Too late. KFC is already going to stop selling friend chicken... because it hates freedom.


They already got rid of bones.   Boneless chicken!  The terrorists have already won.
 
2013-04-17 09:25:35 AM

SlothB77: What larger group was the Unabomber working for? He was operating as a lone wolf.


A lone wolf is one who is sympathetic to a larger movement's ideology but acts by themselves. The Unabomber was a nut who sent out mail bombs because he had a gripe with modern technology.
 
2013-04-17 09:25:46 AM

DamnYankees: For the psyche of Americans, TFA is basically correct. We deal with terrorists from white people much more sanely, as pathetic as that is.


As a whole, yes.  It's part of human nature to treat "the other" worse than someone you might identify a bit with.  However, within the US, there is the same amount of hatred for "the other" between groups: Urban vs. rural, Left vs. Right, white vs. black,  black vs. Latino, etc.

In fact, the author is engaging in their own hatred here in hoping it is his "other".  How about we put the political grandstanding and cheerleading on hold until we get some investigation done?

/most of the "reporting" in the 24-48 hours after a major event turns out wrong, a lie, or both.
 
2013-04-17 09:26:18 AM

RexTalionis: People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


I got a threatening letter from Albert Camus, I considered that an existential threat and I feel justified in that!
 
2013-04-17 09:26:48 AM

muck4doo: I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.

But pressure cookers? Come now. Nothing you propose covers his hate for a pressurized cooking device for speedy deep frying of chicken with 11 herbs and spices.

I think your scenario is therefore far fetched.

This was clearly the work of a transsexual failed pole dancer who is overweight due to KFC.

I really hope this doesn't lead to a ban of 11 herbs and spices. :(



Would the addition of herbs and spices have turned this into a "dirty" bomb?
 
2013-04-17 09:27:28 AM

I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.

But pressure cookers? Come now. Nothing you propose covers his hate for a pressurized cooking device for speedy deep frying of chicken with 11 herbs and spices.

I think your scenario is therefore far fetched.

This was clearly the work of a transsexual failed pole dancer who is overweight due to KFC.


I bet he's even got a Commie flag tacked up on the side of his garage wall.
 
2013-04-17 09:27:29 AM
This article shouldn't have been necessary.
For half of us, it articulated what was already concluded based on past experience.
The other half was only going to get butthurt anyway.
 
2013-04-17 09:27:46 AM
I am starting to think it is. This sounds and feels much more like the Olympic Park bombing than anything else.
 
2013-04-17 09:27:53 AM

Mr. Eugenides: RexTalionis: People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

I got a threatening letter from Albert Camus, I considered that an existential threat and I feel justified in that!


Wow, they've taught Orcas how to write?  That's amazing.
 
2013-04-17 09:29:26 AM

KrispyKritter: I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.

But pressure cookers? Come now. Nothing you propose covers his hate for a pressurized cooking device for speedy deep frying of chicken with 11 herbs and spices.

I think your scenario is therefore far fetched.

This was clearly the work of a transsexual failed pole dancer who is overweight due to KFC.

I bet he's even got a Commie flag tacked up on the side of his garage wall.


And green teeth.
 
2013-04-17 09:29:34 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: muck4doo: I really hope this doesn't lead to a ban of 11 herbs and spices. :(

Too late. KFC is already going to stop selling friend chicken... because it hates freedom.


"If you give up 11 herbs and spices for a little safety....."
~Ben Franklin
 
2013-04-17 09:29:36 AM
Perhaps this was the real target, and the bomber just got garbled instructions:

www.pbs.org
 
2013-04-17 09:29:39 AM

SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.


Standing next to an IED made by a white guy poses the same threat to your existence as standing next to one made by an Arab guy.
 
2013-04-17 09:30:02 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?


Does he love U2?

blogs.amctv.com
 
2013-04-17 09:30:39 AM

KrispyKritter: I_C_Weener: Pocket Ninja: Hm, you know, it's possible that the Israelian Brony aspect of his persona may provide the most telling backstory. Consider the possibilities...maybe, as a child, he was visiting a petting farm in his native country to see the ponies. He got a little too far from his parents and had an unfortunate accident with the hay bailer. The accident almost took his left arm and he would have bled to death if not for the presence of a doctor, who was able to perform a life-saving transfusion using blood from the farm's only pig, which died. And yes, he did save the young Israelian brony's life, but at what cost? His blood defiled, now; he would spend the rest of his life seen as half pig. The vilest of the vile.  Hey pig boy, they would yell at him. His parents disowned him. His world became twisted, isolated, filled with hate. He wanted to lash out, to strike back at anyone and everything. It's sad, really. With a start like that, it's hard to imagine someone not becoming an atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.

But pressure cookers? Come now. Nothing you propose covers his hate for a pressurized cooking device for speedy deep frying of chicken with 11 herbs and spices.

I think your scenario is therefore far fetched.

This was clearly the work of a transsexual failed pole dancer who is overweight due to KFC.

I bet he's even got a Commie flag tacked up on the side of his garage wall.



I'd like to kick him in the knee.
 
2013-04-17 09:30:54 AM
I was hoping this was from the Onion.....
 
2013-04-17 09:31:20 AM
Where is the media fury? Where are the liberal cries to outlaw evil-looking "assault bombs"? Where are the cries to outlaw explosive substances wholesale? Explosive substances have but one purpose, (to ignite and burn explosively and destructively,) just like "guns have but one purpose, to kill." Where are the cries for background checks to purchase gasoline, or limiting possession to say, seven gallons at a time, no matter what size the gas tank?

Eh, no ulterior motives, I guess.
 
2013-04-17 09:31:24 AM
The identity of said perpetrator is a known unknown.
But he's likely to be a capricorn.
Brony Israelianist.
 
2013-04-17 09:31:29 AM

Mr. Eugenides: RexTalionis: People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

I got a threatening letter from Albert Camus, I considered that an existential threat and I feel justified in that!


Is it Plato's heebie jeebies or just existential blues?
 
2013-04-17 09:31:30 AM

RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


Yeah, okay, I can respect that.  I feel the same way whenever people use "decimated."
 
2013-04-17 09:31:43 AM
i.imgur.com


/still not feeling guilty for being a white male
 
2013-04-17 09:32:22 AM

Wendy's Chili: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

Standing next to an IED made by a white guy poses the same threat to your existence as standing next to one made by an Arab guy.


Yeah but the brown one is scarier.  If a white guy blows up a white guy that's just good ol fashioned wholesome Christian shenanigans.
 
2013-04-17 09:32:44 AM

Wendy's Chili: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

Standing next to an IED made by a white guy poses the same threat to your existence as standing next to one made by an Arab guy.


This seems like a good place for an old fashion Polish joke.
 
2013-04-17 09:33:15 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I was hoping this was from the Onion.....


No kidding. The "Lone Wolf" vs "Existential Threat" subheading was enough to get me to stop reading.
 
2013-04-17 09:33:16 AM

give me doughnuts: I'd like to kick him in the knee.


I used to be a terrorist like you, but then...
 
2013-04-17 09:33:23 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-17 09:33:43 AM

DamnYankees: For the psyche of Americans, TFA is basically correct. We deal with terrorists from white people much more sanely, as pathetic as that is.


Yeah, I've never heard of white people getting lynched in response to a terrorist attack in the US.

//not since Bleeding Kansas, anyway.
 
2013-04-17 09:34:10 AM
I see. We need a "I'm not saying it's white dudes...but it's white dudes" caption.

Nothing like jumping to conclusions. We're not supposed to say it's brown people, but it's ok to automatically make the leap that it must be white people?

F*ck that. Author needs a shot in the nuts.
 
2013-04-17 09:34:51 AM
from the troll article:

"White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came.."

Apparently you've missed this conversation in the news the last 2 months:

static.guim.co.uk

Yes, it's illegal for us to carpet bomb domestic terrorists, because they're CITIZENS and therefore protected by our legal justice system rights.

But don't worry, we're working on getting around it.
 
2013-04-17 09:35:39 AM
The third fatality was a Chinese national, so whether the perpetrator is domestic or foreign it's an international incident either way.
 
2013-04-17 09:35:40 AM
I'm hoping its a woman.. its never a woman! The feminists are really slacking in the psycho terrorism equality area.
 
2013-04-17 09:36:13 AM

I_C_Weener: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: muck4doo: I really hope this doesn't lead to a ban of 11 herbs and spices. :(

Too late. KFC is already going to stop selling friend chicken... because it hates freedom.

They already got rid of bones.   Boneless chicken!  The terrorists have already won.


I had KFC Sunday night for Thrones and Mad Men.

It gave me the runs for 2 days.
 
2013-04-17 09:36:33 AM

Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: [i.imgur.com image 850x444]


Kyle Orton?
 
2013-04-17 09:36:35 AM

DamnYankees: For the psyche of Americans, TFA is basically correct. We deal with terrorists from white people much more sanely, as pathetic as that is.


Please, that's because most mass killers who are white are individual killers and not part of a group. They don't have ties to anyone to point fingers to. Compared to killers who come from terrorist groups. And when a killer who is white can be tied to a group, such as the Weather Underground or the Manson Family, you better believe there is a hunt for people who fit their description.

White male privilege my ass. If this was a serial killing, the profiling would be white male first. That's how the Beltway Snipers were able to allude the police for so long. They didn't fit the white male profile the FBI had on them.

/That article is a joke.
 
2013-04-17 09:37:24 AM
If they're agents of a foreign government: I hope they're from Lichtenstein. That one would be over pretty quickly.
 
2013-04-17 09:37:56 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.

And a woman named Frieda.


He's been one of us.
 
2013-04-17 09:38:36 AM

Mr. Eugenides: RexTalionis: People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

I got a threatening letter from Albert Camus, I considered that an existential threat and I feel justified in that!


First, bravo.

Second, the whole "existential threat" thing is laughable. Are right-wingers comic book nerds that they believe people or groups can be supervillains capable of destroying entire countries like Ultron did to Slorenia or Black Adam did to Bialya. These aren't armies. They can't invade. They can't occupy. They can't take over. They can only hurt us in limited ways. What remotely realistic way, even with nukes, could terrorists threaten the existence of this country?
 
2013-04-17 09:38:41 AM

SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

What larger group was the Unabomber working for?  He was operating as a lone wolf.


Thanks. You just confirmed what the article said.
 
2013-04-17 09:38:43 AM

Ecobuckeye: Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: [i.imgur.com image 850x444]

Kyle Orton?


Not enough neck beard
 
2013-04-17 09:39:01 AM
White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came, just to ensure that others like him or her don't get any ideas. And if he turns out to be a member of the Irish Republican Army we won't bomb Dublin. And if he's an Italian-American Catholic we won't bomb the Vatican.

I love this assumption that a domestic terrorist could only possibly come from farm country, or the mountains, or the "stale suburbs." As if the peace-loving, non-violent, civil denizens of our nation's major cities would never display such unrefined deportment.

Privileged coastal elite: This is why America hates you.
 
2013-04-17 09:40:50 AM
Basically what I got out of this article was "I hope this persons race causes my political goals to be pushed forward and not yours".  What his article should have been titled, if he were being honest, is "Lets hope the bomber was a pro gun republican".

He is acting like white religious cults and militias havent been hammered in public opinion (justifiably so) as a result of the actions of people like them.  In general both of these groups are looked at with major disdain.
 
2013-04-17 09:41:10 AM

RexTalionis: SlothB77: What larger group was the Unabomber working for? He was operating as a lone wolf.

A lone wolf is one who is sympathetic to a larger movement's ideology but acts by themselves. The Unabomber was a nut who sent out mail bombs because he had a gripe with modern technology.


So. An Amish conspiracy?
 
2013-04-17 09:41:31 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will may have the potential to end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

Actually, I'm going to clarify that sentence a bit. See how I'm trying to be precise about my meaning? Try doing that instead of hand-wringing, teeth-gnashing fear-mongering.

If you are being precise, what do you mean by "end the existence to the thing"
?

ex·ist·ence
noun/igˈzistəns/
existences, plural

The fact or state of living or having objective reality- the plane was the oldest Boeing remaining in existence- the need to acknowledge the existence of a problemContinued survival- she helped to keep the company alive when its very existence was threatenedA way of living- living in a city was more expensive than a rural existenceAny of a person's supposed current, future, or past lives on this earth- reaping the consequences of evil deeds sown in previous existencesA being or entityAll that exists

So shouldn't it by

"End the existence OF the thing "
?

Since you were trying to be precise.


If you are going to troll someone by nitpicking their sentence structure, grammar, or misappropriate use of words you should learn how to spell the word "be"  there slapnuts. Now everyone thinks not only are you an arsehole, but also a mendicant, retard, and possibly drunk and/or stoned on paint thinner. Or should I say VARSOL just to be precise?
 
2013-04-17 09:42:09 AM

Jackson Herring: Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.

also he's a brony


also he's vegan
 
2013-04-17 09:42:40 AM

HAMMERTOE: Where is the media fury? Where are the liberal cries to outlaw evil-looking "assault bombs"? Where are the cries to outlaw explosive substances wholesale? Explosive substances have but one purpose, (to ignite and burn explosively and destructively,) just like "guns have but one purpose, to kill." Where are the cries for background checks to purchase gasoline, or limiting possession to say, seven gallons at a time, no matter what size the gas tank?

Eh, no ulterior motives, I guess.


The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.
 
2013-04-17 09:43:15 AM

muck4doo: Ecobuckeye: Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: [i.imgur.com image 850x444]

Kyle Orton?

Not enough neck beard


Andrew Luck?
 
2013-04-17 09:44:36 AM

muck4doo: Wendy's Chili: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

Standing next to an IED made by a white guy poses the same threat to your existence as standing next to one made by an Arab guy.

This seems like a good place for an old fashion Polish joke.


I was actually thinking that when I wrote it.
 
2013-04-17 09:44:47 AM
PocketNinja is on fire today ... bahahahahahaha.
 
2013-04-17 09:44:57 AM

Ohlookabutterfly: If you are going to troll someone by nitpicking their sentence structure, grammar, or misappropriate use of words you should learn how to spell the word "be"  there slapnuts. Now everyone thinks not only are you an arsehole, but also a mendicant, retard, and possibly drunk and/or stoned on paint thinner. Or should I say VARSOL just to be precise?


Question, and I usually just find said person stupid enough to not pay attention to, but... what the screaming fark is he  talking about? There's trolling and being antagonistic, and then there's nitpicking about grammar like you're autistic.
 
2013-04-17 09:45:19 AM
whowhatwhy.com

White, male, lone wolf.  Probably a brony too.
 
2013-04-17 09:45:28 AM

FLMountainMan: Nabb1: Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?

It's not like you paid to read it though.....


Well, I read it before it went green, so in a sense, I did. Oh, well. You win some. You lose some.
 
2013-04-17 09:46:30 AM
Salon: you move to the left, then so do they.
 
2013-04-17 09:48:00 AM
comiczine-fa.com
 
2013-04-17 09:48:11 AM
Fairly successful troll by Salon.com. Has some key attributes to a good troll. Juvenile thinking and conclusions dressed up to sound intellectual for the weak minded. Also includes the standard liberal race baiting.

Then again, since the site lives on being trollish and creating content for the sole purpose of being linked to on news aggregators, not unexpected.

3/10
 
2013-04-17 09:48:26 AM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: from the troll article:

"White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came.."

Apparently you've missed this conversation in the news the last 2 months:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Yes, it's illegal for us to carpet bomb domestic terrorists, because they're CITIZENS and therefore protected by our legal justice system rights.

But don't worry, we're working on getting around it.


Well, if Waco and Ruby Ridge are anything to go by, after the feds blow someone up, a simple "oops" should cover it.
 
2013-04-17 09:48:53 AM

Wendy's Chili: The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.


Point conceded. Are you saying it couldn't have used gasoline? Gasoline can burn explosively as well, a fact that allows the internal combustion engine to operate. but, I wasn't making any distinction here. Explosive substances are explosive substances.
 
2013-04-17 09:49:45 AM
Domestic guy taking out the legs of a bunch of people in Boston?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-17 09:50:14 AM
When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.
 
2013-04-17 09:50:23 AM
"Hey, let's just hope that whoever did this is a member of a group that I don't like so that I can make political hay with it!" Go fark yourself. The only thing that I "hope" to find out about whoever did this is that they went home after the bombing, fell into a well, and were trapped there alive and conscious for 3 weeks while rabid rodents slowly gnawed away their genitals and extremities.
 
2013-04-17 09:51:49 AM

Wendy's Chili: HAMMERTOE: Where is the media fury? Where are the liberal cries to outlaw evil-looking "assault bombs"? Where are the cries to outlaw explosive substances wholesale? Explosive substances have but one purpose, (to ignite and burn explosively and destructively,) just like "guns have but one purpose, to kill." Where are the cries for background checks to purchase gasoline, or limiting possession to say, seven gallons at a time, no matter what size the gas tank?

Eh, no ulterior motives, I guess.

The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.


I knew it was all guns fault, someone should arrest that dude
 
2013-04-17 09:52:06 AM

Nabb1: FLMountainMan: Nabb1: Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?

It's not like you paid to read it though.....

Well, I read it before it went green, so in a sense, I did. Oh, well. You win some. You lose some.


I'd like to punch the writer in the face, especially since it wouldn't be a hate crime.
 
2013-04-17 09:53:01 AM
The article is largely correct.  If the shooter at Newtown turned out to be foreign, spoke with an accent, or was in any way brown, there would have been calls to deport or jail anybody that even resembled him.  Because he was a white, male kid, the most that happens is some vague plan of forcibly medicating anybody that might have some mental issue.
 
2013-04-17 09:53:12 AM

orbister: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

What larger group was the Unabomber working for?  He was operating as a lone wolf.

Thanks. You just confirmed what the article said.


Problem with white people, the more you gather in a group, the lower the collective IQ becomes and the easier it is to find and stop them before they actually do any harm.
 
2013-04-17 09:53:52 AM

MilesTeg: Fairly successful troll by Salon.com. Has some key attributes to a good troll. Juvenile thinking and conclusions dressed up to sound intellectual for the weak minded. Also includes the standard liberal race baiting.

Then again, since the site lives on being trollish and creating content for the sole purpose of being linked to on news aggregators, not unexpected.

3/10


You could have saved a lot of keystrokes and just typed "LIBS!" with as many exclamation points as you deemed necessary.
 
2013-04-17 09:53:59 AM
my son has two muslim friends. both have said that they hoped that this guy is anything but muslim. my son realizes that even if this is done by a muslim, it doesn't taint all of them.
 
2013-04-17 09:54:19 AM

Wendy's Chili: HAMMERTOE: Where is the media fury? Where are the liberal cries to outlaw evil-looking "assault bombs"? Where are the cries to outlaw explosive substances wholesale? Explosive substances have but one purpose, (to ignite and burn explosively and destructively,) just like "guns have but one purpose, to kill." Where are the cries for background checks to purchase gasoline, or limiting possession to say, seven gallons at a time, no matter what size the gas tank?

Eh, no ulterior motives, I guess.

The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.


It's a good thing fireworks don't have gunpowder in them.
 
2013-04-17 09:55:04 AM
Look!  It's an Assault Pressure Cooker!

www.lulusoso.com
 
2013-04-17 09:55:08 AM

LordJiro: When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.


Because they are not doing it every day, unlike a certain other religion.
 
2013-04-17 09:55:16 AM

Bloody William: Ohlookabutterfly: If you are going to troll someone by nitpicking their sentence structure, grammar, or misappropriate use of words you should learn how to spell the word "be"  there slapnuts. Now everyone thinks not only are you an arsehole, but also a mendicant, retard, and possibly drunk and/or stoned on paint thinner. Or should I say VARSOL just to be precise?

Question, and I usually just find said person stupid enough to not pay attention to, but... what the screaming fark is he  talking about? There's trolling and being antagonistic, and then there's nitpicking about grammar like you're autistic.


I don't think it's the word "existence" he's actually got his panties in a twist about but "to the thing", which MAYBE could have been "existence of the thing" maybe. But then I'm not going to criticize the original poster because he made his point in an empathetic manner. Also, I have no right to criticize others because I enjoy starting sentences with the words but and also, therefore I must not have graduated high school let alone college.
 
2013-04-17 09:56:01 AM

Ohlookabutterfly: tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will may have the potential to end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

Actually, I'm going to clarify that sentence a bit. See how I'm trying to be precise about my meaning? Try doing that instead of hand-wringing, teeth-gnashing fear-mongering.

If you are being precise, what do you mean by "end the existence to the thing"
?

ex·ist·ence
noun/igˈzistəns/
existences, plural

The fact or state of living or having objective reality- the plane was the oldest Boeing remaining in existence- the need to acknowledge the existence of a problemContinued survival- she helped to keep the company alive when its very existence was threatenedA way of living- living in a city was more expensive than a rural existenceAny of a person's supposed current, future, or past lives on this earth- reaping the consequences of evil deeds sown in previous existencesA being or entityAll that exists

So shouldn't it by

"End the existence OF the thing "
?

Since you were trying to be precise.

If you are going to troll someone by nitpicking their sentence structure, grammar, or misappropriate use of words you should learn how to spell the word "be"  there slapnuts. Now everyone thinks not only are you an arsehole, but also a mendicant, retard, and possibly drunk and/or stoned on paint thinner. Or should I say VARSOL just to be precise?


I wasn't the one claiming I was being precise.
 
2013-04-17 09:56:43 AM
 
2013-04-17 09:57:38 AM
After OKC, the Militia movement was all anyone talked about when it came to US terrorism. It took 9/11 to change that. And, not surprisingly, while the militia movement still exists and is dangerous, Islamism is still and rightfully considered a bigger threat because it's killed more people and has a large base of support outside of this country where we can't get to it.
 
2013-04-17 09:57:43 AM
It must be, because black people can't figure out bombs, and the Asians would have made a smaller, more sophisticated one.
 
2013-04-17 09:59:12 AM

Joe Blowme: LordJiro: When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.

Because they are not doing it every day, unlike a certain other religion.


Bronies are not a religion.
 
2013-04-17 10:00:51 AM

HAMMERTOE: Wendy's Chili: The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.

Point conceded. Are you saying it couldn't have used gasoline? Gasoline can burn explosively as well, a fact that allows the internal combustion engine to operate. but, I wasn't making any distinction here. Explosive substances are explosive substances.


I think that if i were going to be toting around a bomb in a public place i wouldn't want it to be sloshing around and shiat.
 
2013-04-17 10:01:03 AM

Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: [i.imgur.com image 850x444]


Dude, where did that come from? Is that on the level?
 
2013-04-17 10:01:25 AM

Pocket Ninja: An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist.


I'm pretty sure Obama has an alibi
 
2013-04-17 10:01:40 AM

Jackson Herring: Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.

also he's a brony


Don't forget socialist or commie
 
2013-04-17 10:01:54 AM

jaybeezey: I think that if i were going to be toting around a bomb in a public place i wouldn't want it to be sloshing around and shiat.


A box of Tide helps turn gasoline to napalm. Sloshing problem solved.
 
2013-04-17 10:02:38 AM

Scythed: After OKC, the Militia movement was all anyone talked about when it came to US terrorism. It took 9/11 to change that. And, not surprisingly, while the militia movement still exists and is dangerous, Islamism is still and rightfully considered a bigger threat because it's killed more people and has a large base of support outside of this country where we can't get to it.


Get the f*ck out of here with your well-reasoned points and non-inflammatory language. This is Fark, f*ckface.
 
2013-04-17 10:03:23 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Ohlookabutterfly: tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will may have the potential to end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.

Actually, I'm going to clarify that sentence a bit. See how I'm trying to be precise about my meaning? Try doing that instead of hand-wringing, teeth-gnashing fear-mongering.

If you are being precise, what do you mean by "end the existence to the thing"
?

ex·ist·ence
noun/igˈzistəns/
existences, plural

The fact or state of living or having objective reality- the plane was the oldest Boeing remaining in existence- the need to acknowledge the existence of a problemContinued survival- she helped to keep the company alive when its very existence was threatenedA way of living- living in a city was more expensive than a rural existenceAny of a person's supposed current, future, or past lives on this earth- reaping the consequences of evil deeds sown in previous existencesA being or entityAll that exists

So shouldn't it by

"End the existence OF the thing "
?

Since you were trying to be precise.

If you are going to troll someone by nitpicking their sentence structure, grammar, or misappropriate use of words you should learn how to spell the word "be"  there slapnuts. Now everyone thinks not only are you an arsehole, but also a ...


Nobody said you were, but you were trying to bully someone who actually made his point without sounding arrogant or antagonistic and I tend to target bullies. I'm actually projecting self hatred of the bully in myself onto others who are much worse than I am. Because it's all about me, see.
 
2013-04-17 10:05:27 AM

HAMMERTOE: jaybeezey: I think that if i were going to be toting around a bomb in a public place i wouldn't want it to be sloshing around and shiat.

A box of Tide helps turn gasoline to napalm. Sloshing problem solved.


Thank you citizen.  You will be receiving a call shortly...

www.geek.com
 
2013-04-17 10:05:51 AM

syberpud: In fact, the author is engaging in their own hatred here in hoping it is his "other".  How about we put the political grandstanding and cheerleading on hold until we get some investigation done?


Are they, or are they just being practical - after 9/11 and the revelation it was caused by extremist muslims, dozens of sikhs, mexicans, and other innocents (including other law abiding muslims with no interest/involvement in terrorism) were killed, and thousands injured/harassed/firebombed/etc. If it is a white guy only the perpetrator(s) and the original victims are hurt, if it isn't a white guy a whole second wave of innocent people will get hurt or even killed in retaliatory attacks.
 
2013-04-17 10:06:37 AM

Joe Blowme: LordJiro: When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.

Because they are not doing it every day, unlike a certain other religion.


Because Christians have such a spotless, blood-free history, right? Things would TOTALLY be different if the theocratic tyrants and crazy terrorist-cult leaders were Christian!

The religion isn't the problem. When extremists have power, THAT is the problem.
 
2013-04-17 10:07:27 AM

AngryDragon: Thank you citizen. You will be receiving a call shortly...


* Crucial details omitted so as to not assist the chemically clueless. Not that it couldn't be looked up on the internet anyway. But if you'd like to pay me a visit, by all means. I have nothing to hide.
 
2013-04-17 10:07:39 AM
FullMetalPanda:  Jake Havechek: We're going to find the motherfarker, whomever it is, and tear them a new asshole.
No, they're going to find a scapegoat to stop people from panicking while the parties responsible get away with it for a decade or so until they're finally caught and it'll be on the back page of the paper.


They agree
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-17 10:07:50 AM
Call us genocidal bastards if you want, call us supremacists, call us kikes/hymiecountry/whatever racial insult you want, call us the new Nazis, I don't care.

But don't ever farking call us bronies.
 
2013-04-17 10:09:01 AM

Tatsuma: Call us genocidal bastards if you want, call us supremacists, call us kikes/hymiecountry/whatever racial insult you want, call us the new Nazis, I don't care.

But don't ever farking call us bronies.


Where is the "Like" button?
 
2013-04-17 10:09:18 AM

Scythed: After OKC, the Militia movement was all anyone talked about when it came to US terrorism. It took 9/11 to change that. And, not surprisingly, while the militia movement still exists and is dangerous, Islamism is still and rightfully considered a bigger threat because it's killed more people and has a large base of support outside of this country where we can't get to it.


This.
 
2013-04-17 10:09:41 AM
The headline and article are wrong in their assumption.  White mass-murderers also turn into systemic threats.

For instance, after Columbine, Aurora, and Sandy Hook (White shooters) you had leagues of people wanting to ban video games, because "gamers kill!  Gamers are a danger to America's values!" etc etc.
 
2013-04-17 10:09:53 AM

I_C_Weener: Joe Blowme: LordJiro: When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.

Because they are not doing it every day, unlike a certain other religion.

Bronies are not a religion.


Cult/ religion.... same thing.  Bronies scare teh piss out of me, when ever i see them on the street, i cross to the other side.
 
2013-04-17 10:09:58 AM
You know, I came in to this thread after reading the article all set to make a long-winded comment on the quality of editorial writing in American Journalism these days. That was, until I read  PocketNinja's analysis of the probable bomber profile and the follow on statements based on his post. It has so distracted me that I have instead a little song running through my head. You can all sing along if you like. It's done to the tune of "What Do You Do With a Problem Like Maria"  from the Julie Andrew's star vehicle "The Sound of Music". It goes like this:

Oooooooo, everyone here agrees with PocketNinjaaaaaa
Everyone here except for muck4doooooooo
Everyone here agrees with PocketNinjaaaaaa
So what's a poor muck4doo to f*cking dooooooooo?

I hate you for putting that in my head ninja.
 
2013-04-17 10:10:09 AM

LordJiro: Because Christians have such a spotless, blood-free history, right? Things would TOTALLY be different if the theocratic tyrants and crazy terrorist-cult leaders were Christian!

The religion isn't the problem. When extremists have power, THAT is the problem.


Actually, I'm going to on record and avow that religion gives extremists and terrorists a support system, reinforces their prejudices and feelings of alienation towards people who don't share the worship of their particular imaginary friend, and a crowd to hide amongst until they feel ready to strike.
 
2013-04-17 10:11:06 AM

neutronstar: I'm hoping its a woman.. its never a woman! The feminists are really slacking in the psycho terrorism equality area.


Yeah, women never act as suicide bombers
 
2013-04-17 10:11:34 AM

LordJiro: When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.


That's only because those of us who consider the Christian fundamentalist far right to be terrorists claim so all the time, not just during explosive events like this. Remember the debt ceiling bullshiat when they held the nation hostage so they could get "98% of what they wanted"? We were calling them terrorists then too. We are ignored because those fundamentalist assholes appear to be the largest minority, if not a majority.
 
2013-04-17 10:11:50 AM
There is a double standard: White terrorists local whackos are dealt with as lone wolves, Islamists  foreign nationals who cross international borders to attack us are existential threats
FTFTFA
 
2013-04-17 10:13:58 AM

Joe Blowme: I_C_Weener: Joe Blowme: LordJiro: When a white Christian blows shiat up (Like, say, abortion clinics or people at the Olympics), you don't get people seriously claiming every Christian is a terrorist.

Because they are not doing it every day, unlike a certain other religion.

Bronies are not a religion.

Cult/ religion.... same thing.  Bronies scare teh piss out of me, when ever i see them on the street, i cross to the other side.


but... but... biker pony!
]i451.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-17 10:15:00 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're agents of a foreign government: I hope they're from Lichtenstein. That one would be over pretty quickly.


I am hoping it is Bhutan. Those guys are pussies!
 
2013-04-17 10:16:38 AM
Daybreak is coming.
 
2013-04-17 10:16:44 AM

AngryDragon: Look!  It's an Assault Pressure Cooker!

[www.lulusoso.com image 679x800]


Well, darn it.  That means no more broasted chicken and jo-jos.
 
2013-04-17 10:19:17 AM
Stop all foreign student visa programs. Would cull 90% of this crap. No reason for it any way.
 
2013-04-17 10:20:18 AM

Nabb1: Wendy's Chili: HAMMERTOE: Where is the media fury? Where are the liberal cries to outlaw evil-looking "assault bombs"? Where are the cries to outlaw explosive substances wholesale? Explosive substances have but one purpose, (to ignite and burn explosively and destructively,) just like "guns have but one purpose, to kill." Where are the cries for background checks to purchase gasoline, or limiting possession to say, seven gallons at a time, no matter what size the gas tank?

Eh, no ulterior motives, I guess.

The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.

It's a good thing fireworks don't have gunpowder in them.


It's a good thing fireworks are banned in Massachusetts.
 
2013-04-17 10:21:58 AM
Let's hope people are smart enough not to blame/target an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. Let's go with that, shall we?
 
2013-04-17 10:22:07 AM
We white Americans are proud of our fat, lazy, hate-mongering, pedophile, racist, serial-killer, hillbilly, corporate-greed, zealously-uber-religious stereotype. Don't take that from us.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-17 10:23:37 AM
Title is over the top but he's not wrong.
 
2013-04-17 10:25:21 AM
I have a completely new theory for who the bomber was.  Maybe he was just an avid XKCD reader, who didn't read disclaimers, and needed to try this out:

http://what-if.xkcd.com/40/
 
2013-04-17 10:26:11 AM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: from the troll article:

"White privilege is knowing that if this bomber turns out to be white, the United States government will not bomb whatever corn field or mountain town or stale suburb from which said bomber came.."

Apparently you've missed this conversation in the news the last 2 months:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Yes, it's illegal for us to carpet bomb domestic terrorists, because they're CITIZENS and therefore protected by our legal justice system rights.

But don't worry, we're working on getting around it.


Why do you think there was a no-fly zone suddenly and briefly over Dorner? The cops didn't burn the house down, they called in a predator strike and needed the airspace clear.
 
2013-04-17 10:26:24 AM
I ain't even got a garage.
you can call home and ask mah wife.
 
2013-04-17 10:26:35 AM
Wendy's Chili: The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.

It's a good thing fireworks don't have gunpowder in them.

It's a good thing fireworks are banned in Massachusetts.


Yes, and they are banned in New Orleans, but somehow the guys around the corner from me haven't had any problems setting them off on the Fourth of July and New Year's Eve every year for the past seven years. I mean, no one has ever been able to drive fireworks across state lines.
 
2013-04-17 10:26:36 AM

octopied: Let's hope people are smart enough not to blame/target an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. Let's go with that, shall we?


Which is exactly what the idiots whining and crying about 'Let's hope it's a white guy!!' are doing about white people, because they assume that the gut reaction of all those other white people (the ones saying that are always white) will be to go out int he street and start lynching brown people.

Self-hating racists are the worst.
 
2013-04-17 10:27:37 AM

wambu: We white Americans are proud of our fat, lazy, hate-mongering, pedophile, racist, serial-killer, hillbilly, corporate-greed, zealously-uber-religious stereotype. Don't take that from us.
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Whites are the least religious of any American ethnic group.  The rest of that all fits though.
 
2013-04-17 10:27:58 AM

FrancoFile: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


But but but I read Nietsche in my women's studies undergraduate seminar on deconstructing the tropes of the patriachal white hegemony.  So there.


Nietsche wrote cook books?
 
2013-04-17 10:28:20 AM

AngryDragon: Look!  It's an Assault Pressure Cooker!

[www.lulusoso.com image 679x800]


Who needs more than a 7-pint capacity? If you can't cook a stew without a pressure cooker, maybe you're not much of a chef.
 
2013-04-17 10:30:32 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: You know, I came in to this thread after reading the article all set to make a long-winded comment on the quality of editorial writing in American Journalism these days. That was, until I read  PocketNinja's analysis of the probable bomber profile and the follow on statements based on his post. It has so distracted me that I have instead a little song running through my head. You can all sing along if you like. It's done to the tune of "What Do You Do With a Problem Like Maria"  from the Julie Andrew's star vehicle "The Sound of Music". It goes like this:

Oooooooo, everyone here agrees with PocketNinjaaaaaa
Everyone here except for muck4doooooooo
Everyone here agrees with PocketNinjaaaaaa
So what's a poor muck4doo to f*cking dooooooooo?

I hate you for putting that in my head ninja.


LOL! I love PocketNinja, just didn't think was one of his better efforts. I can see others disagree with me though.
 
2013-04-17 10:30:58 AM

Tatsuma: octopied: Let's hope people are smart enough not to blame/target an entire group of people based on the actions of a few. Let's go with that, shall we?

Which is exactly what the idiots whining and crying about 'Let's hope it's a white guy!!' are doing about white people, because they assume that the gut reaction of all those other white people (the ones saying that are always white) will be to go out int he street and start lynching brown people.

Self-hating racists are the worst.


To be fair, if someone bombed a minority neighborhood, killing mostly black people, I'd hope it WASN'T a white guy.

Therefore, racism isn't the issue.
 
2013-04-17 10:35:09 AM

SpectroBoy: Feral_and_Preposterous: If they're agents of a foreign government: I hope they're from Lichtenstein. That one would be over pretty quickly.

I am hoping it is Bhutan. Those guys are pussies!


So long as it's not Ukraine.

l2.yimg.com
 
2013-04-17 10:37:51 AM

miss diminutive: I just hope they're crazy.

Not "the gubermint is poisonin' us with fluoride and imported sponges from gay-lovin' countries" crazy, more like "those buildings look structurally unsound, so I'll deliver a contained blast of nails to provide architectural support, which will count as a good deed towards getting me out of this Matrix-like virtual reality simulator" kind of crazy.


The current evidence points that way. No group claiming responsibility; no political statement issued; no real sanity to the attack points (yes, they had large concentrations of people, but so does, say, Wall Street); no prior warning via known terrorist groups...yeah, sounds like a loner, and from that we can safely conclude 'lunatic', because blowing up bombs is not actually the action of a sane person.

/Had this argument in Anthro class
//Because apparently I live in redneck-ville where everything is the fault of lack of parenting
///The idea that you cannot parent out crazy apparently is a radically new one in  farking college.
 
2013-04-17 10:38:08 AM
If it is a foreigner we will never be rid of the "patriot act" in fact they will probably and things to it and  rename it "The star spangled patriot act"

It's probably a crazy nutter that was tossed out of the Aryan nation for being too crazy or something.
 
2013-04-17 10:39:30 AM

Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: [i.imgur.com image 850x444]


What's the source on that? And those women appear to be reacting to that dude's stench, which makes him either a lone-wolf nutjob whose hatred of [fill in thing to hate] leads him to neglect hygiene, or just some street dude carrying his crap in a backpack that looks like every other freakin' backpack out there.
 
2013-04-17 10:40:10 AM

vudukungfu: I ain't even got a garage.
you can call home and ask mah wife.


 Ill chase them around the parking lot, just once
 
2013-04-17 10:40:19 AM

Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: [i.imgur.com image 850x444]


Has anyone shared these two photos with the authorities?  YO FBI Right farking here!

/ gawdamned creepy, and it looks heavy what he is carrying
 
2013-04-17 10:40:21 AM

spiderpaz: I have a completely new theory for who the bomber was.  Maybe he was just an avid XKCD reader, who didn't read disclaimers, and needed to try this out:

http://what-if.xkcd.com/40/


holy farking fark.
 
2013-04-17 10:41:00 AM
Liberals think it's not racist to hate white people and think they're inferior.

Just replace the words "white" with "black" and see how far you get.

The hypocrisy of modern people knows no bounds...
 
2013-04-17 10:42:42 AM

vygramul: To be fair, if someone bombed a minority neighborhood, killing mostly black people, I'd hope it WASN'T a white guy.


But why? The overwhelming majority (99.9999%) of white people in America will be appalled and denounce this. It's not like either African-Americans are going to think that suddenly the population think that it's ok, or go out in the street and start lynching white people. It would do exactly zero damage to race relations, as much as white power types might wish it did.

It's not like African-Americans would react 'Oh, the bomber was one of us? Then I guess it's not as bad!'
 
2013-04-17 10:43:18 AM

FLMountainMan: wambu: We white Americans are proud of our fat, lazy, hate-mongering, pedophile, racist, serial-killer, hillbilly, corporate-greed, zealously-uber-religious stereotype. Don't take that from us.
[i.imgur.com image 850x637]

Whites are the least religious of any American ethnic group.  The rest of that all fits though.


If by "Whites" you mean Asians.

http://religions.pewforum.org/pdf/report-religious-landscape-study-f ul l.pdf

See page 40.
 
2013-04-17 10:43:24 AM

sodomizer: Liberals think it's not racist to hate white people and think they're inferior.

Just replace the words "white" with "black" and see how far you get.

The hypocrisy of modern people knows no bounds...


Literally no one thinks this.  I award you no points, and my God have mercy on your soul.
 
2013-04-17 10:43:55 AM
Author of TFA conveniently ignores a lot of facts to support his stupid narrative.

For one thing, we respond differently to acts of terrorism committed by American citizens because even terrorist Americans still have rights under the Constitution (though admittedly eroded under the Patriot Act).  This is why people had concerns about Al-Awlaki - we bombed him into a fine red mist just like foreign nationals, and while we're fine blasting the hell out of other people willy-nilly, we get uncomfortable about doing it to our own people.

For another, organized groups have claimed responsibility for acts of Islamic terrorism... but (as someone asked upthread, I think) what groups was he working with?  How about Eric Rudolph?

By way of contrast - Weather Undergound, which DID have a bunch of white people, WAS treated as a major, credible threat, and was hounded by the authorities in ways that DID break a bunch of laws regarding their rights and due process and all that - it's why a lot of those charges against them got dropped, in fact.

And now that I think about it... anybody know where Bill Ayers was on Monday?

/Just sayin'.
 
2013-04-17 10:45:22 AM

mekki: DamnYankees: For the psyche of Americans, TFA is basically correct. We deal with terrorists from white people much more sanely, as pathetic as that is.

Please, that's because most mass killers who are white are individual killers and not part of a group. They don't have ties to anyone to point fingers to. Compared to killers who come from terrorist groups. And when a killer who is white can be tied to a group, such as the Weather Underground or the Manson Family, you better believe there is a hunt for people who fit their description.

White male privilege my ass. If this was a serial killing, the profiling would be white male first. That's how the Beltway Snipers were able to allude the police for so long. They didn't fit the white male profile the FBI had on them.

/That article is a joke.


I think you missed the point of the article - namely that we don't marginalize white men as a group even though they are responsible for most serial killings. Even when the police or FBI suspect a white male, they don't go rounding up white males en masse.
How does suspecting a white male as the culprit negatively affect you? Do people treat you suspiciously as you go about your daily life?
 
2013-04-17 10:46:10 AM
The downside to it being a white loner is that they're really good at playing hide and seek. Eric Rudolph: four bombings in 18 months before he became a suspect, and five more years before they tracked him down. Ted Kaczynski: 17 years of active bombitude before he got cocky and put his manifesto out there. Walter Leroy Moody was on the loose for only 8 months after he killed that judge and lawyer in two separate bombings, but only because he used a unique bomb construction technique that some supersmart ATF guy remembered from 17 years earlier. McVeigh might have gotten away clean, except he was driving without a license plate and carrying a gun. White guy whackjobs blend in, particularly in today's climate of anti-gummint hysteria.
 
2013-04-17 10:46:23 AM

Scythed: After OKC, the Militia movement was all anyone talked about when it came to US terrorism. It took 9/11 to change that. And, not surprisingly, while the militia movement still exists and is dangerous, Islamism is still and rightfully considered a bigger threat because it's killed more people and has a large base of support outside of this country where we can't get to it.


"Islamism" refers to factions that emerged in response to regional issues, such as the failure of secular nationalist policies to improve economies in countries like Egypt. These groups tend to form "reactionary" policies, such as enforcing an interpretation of Islamic law that they perceive to be a return to a simpler time. But the point I'm trying to make is that "Islamist" factions rose in response to local issues and operate locally. For example, radical Sunni Muslim groups in Pakistan (who have already been accused of the marathon bombing), have been busy killing Shia Muslims and secular candidates in upcoming elections in Pakistan. They don't have the resources to conduct large-scale operations on the other side of the planet, although I'll concede that isolated bombing attacks would be within their capabilities, as it would be for literally anyone else in the world. But they have more pressing goals right in Pakistan.

Even the al-Qaeda franchises are preoccupied in their own regions and are incapable of sustained operations on American soil. In conclusion there is presently no "Islamic threat" that can seriously damage the US. The book "Islamophobia" by Deepa Kumar explains all of this really well.
 
2013-04-17 10:46:40 AM
I just want to know where Bill Ayers was when this went down.
 
2013-04-17 10:47:23 AM

mbillips: Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: [i.imgur.com image 850x444]

What's the source on that? And those women appear to be reacting to that dude's stench, which makes him either a lone-wolf nutjob whose hatred of [fill in thing to hate] leads him to neglect hygiene, or just some street dude carrying his crap in a backpack that looks like every other freakin' backpack out there.


The straps on the backpack in the first picture would be about the same width as the white lane marking in the second picture.  I think the fact that there are pieces of debris in the second that look similar to the first is coincidence, but the pictures were resized to make one think they're the same piece.  Unless that's not a lane marking, but I'm pretty sure it is.  There's not much else to give scale to that picture.
 
2013-04-17 10:49:03 AM

Gijick: Scythed: After OKC, the Militia movement was all anyone talked about when it came to US terrorism. It took 9/11 to change that. And, not surprisingly, while the militia movement still exists and is dangerous, Islamism is still and rightfully considered a bigger threat because it's killed more people and has a large base of support outside of this country where we can't get to it.

"Islamism" refers to factions that emerged in response to regional issues, such as the failure of secular nationalist policies to improve economies in countries like Egypt. These groups tend to form "reactionary" policies, such as enforcing an interpretation of Islamic law that they perceive to be a return to a simpler time. But the point I'm trying to make is that "Islamist" factions rose in response to local issues and operate locally. For example, radical Sunni Muslim groups in Pakistan (who have already been accused of the marathon bombing), have been busy killing Shia Muslims and secular candidates in upcoming elections in Pakistan. They don't have the resources to conduct large-scale operations on the other side of the planet, although I'll concede that isolated bombing attacks would be within their capabilities, as it would be for literally anyone else in the world. But they have more pressing goals right in Pakistan.

Even the al-Qaeda franchises are preoccupied in their own regions and are incapable of sustained operations on American soil. In conclusion there is presently no "Islamic threat" that can seriously damage the US. The book "Islamophobia" by Deepa Kumar explains all of this really well.


Good Dhimmi
 
2013-04-17 10:50:03 AM

Tatsuma: vygramul: To be fair, if someone bombed a minority neighborhood, killing mostly black people, I'd hope it WASN'T a white guy.

But why? The overwhelming majority (99.9999%) of white people in America will be appalled and denounce this. It's not like either African-Americans are going to think that suddenly the population think that it's ok, or go out in the street and start lynching white people. It would do exactly zero damage to race relations, as much as white power types might wish it did.

It's not like African-Americans would react 'Oh, the bomber was one of us? Then I guess it's not as bad!'


Because racial tensions are not in a good place. We don't need roving bands of ignorant rednecks killing Sikhs because some brown person did it. And we don't need roaming bands of ignorant thugs killing the local crackers because some albino motherfarker did it.

In other words, every race has its roaming bands of jacktards, and I'd rather not see them energized to go do something misguided.
 
2013-04-17 10:50:25 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?


I was about to post this in another thread but this is kind of my point. Everybody is looking for an agenda with it...

It's probably been discussed because I can't even try to keep up with the flow of information on these threads, but this seems like an exceptionally demented plan to me. People train for six months to a year, devoting incredible amounts of time, training, and energy to these marathons. This is the pinnacle of all that training, the home stretch when the finish line is in your view. So dickwad places devices designed to take out the runners' most valued possessions: their lower extremities. Right at the finish line. It's twisted enough as is, but that angle occurred to me last night, and if that were the case, we have a truly sick individual, and maybe a larger global motive isn't the context we're looking for at all.
 
2013-04-17 10:50:32 AM
Easier to find and stop a domestic terrorist than a foreign one. Unabomber notwithstanding.
 
2013-04-17 10:50:34 AM

Joe Blowme: I just want to know where Bill Ayers was when this went down.


Just askin questions right?  Just as likely that Glenn Beck was the mastermind behind it.
 
2013-04-17 10:51:37 AM

Close2TheEdge: The article is largely correct.  If the shooter at Newtown turned out to be foreign, spoke with an accent, or was in any way brown, there would have been calls to deport or jail anybody that even resembled him.  Because he was a white, male kid, the most that happens is some vague plan of forcibly medicating anybody that might have some mental issue.


That, and calls for confiscation of guns.
 
2013-04-17 10:51:39 AM

Joe Blowme: I just want to know where Bill Ayers was when this went down.


Perhaps he's operating a course on how to start a career with terror and move directly to teaching at colleges, it worked for Ayers.
 
2013-04-17 10:53:20 AM

vygramul: Because racial tensions are not in a good place. We don't need roving bands of ignorant rednecks killing Sikhs because some brown person did it. And we don't need roaming bands of ignorant thugs killing the local crackers because some albino motherfarker did it.


Except that both of these things don't happen.

In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Yeah, there were just so few even though you had so much hand-wringing about making sure to point out that not all Muslims were not terrorists. Bush himself came and said that multiple times.

Last year, an MLK parade was bombed by a couple of white supremacists, and no 'roving bands of thugs' went out to beat white people in the aftermath.


Americans have moved on from lynching a long time ago, and it's time to stop pretending like we're on the brink of a race war, for fark's sake. America is not perfect, but it's not Europe either (read up on the treatment of Romani people and race riots due to disenfranchisement in France)
 
2013-04-17 10:57:19 AM

Mugato: Rev. Skarekroe: Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?

That's why I wouldn't call this a terrorist attack, despite the fact that we call every act of violence a terrorist attack nowadays. Like the Batman theater shooter. They kept calling it terrorism but it was just a psycho with a lot of guns. Terrorists have agendas that they let you know about.


So someone blows up an "east coast liberal elitist" event, where they are running to support the victims of gun violence, on tax day and you think this is all coincidence? I'd say that it's someone sending a message.
 
2013-04-17 10:57:58 AM

Tatsuma: In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Yeah, there were just so few even though you had so much hand-wringing about making sure to point out that not all Muslims were not terrorists. Bush himself came and said that multiple times.


You must have an exceptionally large hand:

ww3.hdnux.com
 
2013-04-17 10:58:49 AM
Sensationlist headline or no, the fact is that when a terrorist act is committed in the name of Allah, or by Mooslims, the reaction is far greater than when its a white guy. This is for the most part the case in most of the world with the exception of Britain, (and that is changing). People seem to be able to sleep better and deal with it easier when they consider it the work of a lone wacko. When the bomber is part of a larger group or part of a larger group ideology (should he in fact be a lone wolf) than thats when we do all the pants shiatting and giving up our liberties.

and thats why i essentially agree with the essence of the article. We are ramping down our foreign wars, we are seeing cuts to the military budget, we are seeing a stronger voice for peace and a stronger voice for personal liberties. The last thing we need is a Mooslim terrorist attack to reverse that course. We've given up a lot and allowed a lot of people in government to do shady shiat and we can't let that continue.
 
2013-04-17 10:59:54 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Mugato: Rev. Skarekroe: Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?

That's why I wouldn't call this a terrorist attack, despite the fact that we call every act of violence a terrorist attack nowadays. Like the Batman theater shooter. They kept calling it terrorism but it was just a psycho with a lot of guns. Terrorists have agendas that they let you know about.

So someone blows up an "east coast liberal elitist" event, where they are running to support the victims of gun violence, on tax day and you think this is all coincidence? I'd say that it's someone sending a message.


The terrorist is also anti-cookware.  Clearly we need to warn the Food Network.
 
2013-04-17 11:00:41 AM

RexTalionis: Tatsuma: In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Yeah, there were just so few even though you had so much hand-wringing about making sure to point out that not all Muslims were not terrorists. Bush himself came and said that multiple times.

You must have an exceptionally large hand:

[ww3.hdnux.com image 497x471]


Not only that, but inbred rednecks were beating Sikhs, Hindus, and Ethiopians because they wore headpieces that looked like Islamic turbans, even though they don't have anything to do with each other.  Americans are, by and large, racist pieces of shiat because of the entrenched xenophobia in the deep South.
 
2013-04-17 11:01:11 AM

I_C_Weener: The terrorist is also anti-cookware. Clearly we need to warn the Food Network.


Both me and IdBeCrazyIf blame you for bringing us back here, fyi
 
2013-04-17 11:01:21 AM

Close2TheEdge: The article is largely correct.  If the shooter at Newtown turned out to be foreign, spoke with an accent, or was in any way brown, there would have been calls to deport or jail anybody that even resembled him.  Because he was a white, male kid, the most that happens is some vague plan of forcibly medicating anybody that might have some mental issue.


Right, i remember after the beltway sniper we were all trying to get blacks deported. Then right after Virginia Tech we were all like, " All asians have to be removed from the country now!"

People knee jerk about radical muslims because they are vocal about killing americans as an ideology and have a history of trying to do it to some success.

Statistically, African Americans kill more Americans every year (most other African Americans) than foreigners could dream of, but there is no effort underway to deport all of them.
 
2013-04-17 11:02:13 AM
Just to throw in my dented two-cents of stupidity: The bomber will be a fat-activist whose a middle aged white woman with 2.5 kids and who has had a bitter divorce. Let's make it interesting, she has a PhD. just for variety.
 
2013-04-17 11:02:48 AM

jaybeezey: People knee jerk about radical muslims


shiat I think I saw at least 10 times as many posts saying 'Tax day, must be a crazy tea partiers!' and 'I hope it's a white guy!' than people even suggesting it might be radical islamists.
 
2013-04-17 11:04:08 AM
Tatsuma:
Last year, an MLK parade was bombed by a couple of white supremacists, and no 'roving bands of thugs' went out to beat white people in the aftermath.

Well, there was an attempted bombing - the bomb was found and defused before it went off.

The one guy (not two) who planted the bomb was a 9/11 Truther (along with being a neo-Nazi and an anti-Semite and, of course, an all-round bigot).
 
2013-04-17 11:04:23 AM

HAMMERTOE: jaybeezey: I think that if i were going to be toting around a bomb in a public place i wouldn't want it to be sloshing around and shiat.

A box of Tide helps turn gasoline to napalm. Sloshing problem solved.


It also binds it keeping it from vaporizing. gasoline is flamable. gas vapor is explosive.
 
2013-04-17 11:05:48 AM
Article is poorly written but essentially right. This will be easier dealt with if it is a lone man or small group of gubmint hating whackjobs than an Islamic terror plot.
 
2013-04-17 11:07:27 AM

cirby: Well, there was an attempted bombing - the bomb was found and defused before it went off.

The one guy (not two) who planted the bomb was a 9/11 Truther (along with being a neo-Nazi and an anti-Semite and, of course, an all-round bigot).


I thought one of them did go off, might have been just a controlled explosion. I am guessing that the guy who was arrested in the same investigation was cleared of the charges.


Either way, it didn't result in a race riot and African-Americans just killing white people in the street.
 
2013-04-17 11:09:26 AM

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Mugato: Rev. Skarekroe: Funny that the party responsible hasn't sent out a manifesto or anything.
What if it's just a maniac who gets off on seeing people killed?

That's why I wouldn't call this a terrorist attack, despite the fact that we call every act of violence a terrorist attack nowadays. Like the Batman theater shooter. They kept calling it terrorism but it was just a psycho with a lot of guns. Terrorists have agendas that they let you know about.

So someone blows up an "east coast liberal elitist" event, where they are running to support the victims of gun violence, on tax day and you think this is all coincidence? I'd say that it's someone sending a message.


Why?  Maybe last September someone decided to explode a bomb at the 2013 Boston Marathon because it's a huge event and they'll get off on the publicity.  The day and the supported group may be totally irrelevant.

Are you saying if it was run on April 18th or in support of Save The Whales the bomber would not have struck since he couldn't send his message?
 
2013-04-17 11:09:29 AM

Pocket Ninja: Can you imagine if he turns out to be gay? Hoooo boy, that would muddy the water.

How about a gay lone wolf terrorist who had a brief career as an abortion doctor specializing in late-term abortions.

Oh, oh, I know. I gay lone wolf former late-term abortionist terrorist who owns over a dozen handguns and automatic rifles all purchased at gun shows. And he entered the country illegally 15 years ago and has been living here ever since. And he's an atheist.

An atheist, gay, undocumented immigrant former late-term abortion providing and non-background-checked gun owning lone wolf terrorist. Now  thatwould be something.


I know you are just PN doing your thing (which you do quite well) but I felt the need to point something out.
25 of my 33 firerms have been purchased at gun shows. Of those 25, only 4 have been purchased without background checks as they were private sales. Most of the guns there do require paperwork.
 
2013-04-17 11:16:43 AM

BgJonson79: FrancoFile: RexTalionis: SlothB77: Second, Islamists declaring terrorism in the name of allah, with muslim groups taking responsibility, i.e., an islamic terrorist group took credit for the failed Times Square bombing, are existential threats.

I don't think you understand the word "existential." An existential threat is one that will end the existence to the thing that the threat is existential to. Unless those Islamists apparently also have hundreds of nuclear weapons aimed at us, it is not an existential threat.

People just like to use the word "existential threat" as a short-hand for "wow, I'm really worried, look at me pissing in my pants and soiling myself." Stop it. It's sloppy. It's inaccurate. It's intellectually dishonest and it's stupid.


But but but I read Nietsche in my women's studies undergraduate seminar on deconstructing the tropes of the patriachal white hegemony.  So there.

Nietsche wrote cook books?


You didn't get to the appendix in Thus Spoke Zarathustra?  Kick-ass recipes for schnitzel, baked cabbage, and goulash.  And his compote is to die for.
 
2013-04-17 11:17:22 AM

Carn: Joe Blowme: I just want to know where Bill Ayers was when this went down.

Just askin questions right?  Just as likely that Glenn Beck was the mastermind behind it.


Lighten up Francis
ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-04-17 11:18:12 AM

FrancoFile: You didn't get to the appendix in Thus Spoke Zarathustra? Kick-ass recipes for schnitzel, baked cabbage, and goulash. And his compote is to die for.


Sound've gone with Thus Baked Zarathustra.
 
2013-04-17 11:19:04 AM

PsiChick: miss diminutive: I just hope they're crazy.

Not "the gubermint is poisonin' us with fluoride and imported sponges from gay-lovin' countries" crazy, more like "those buildings look structurally unsound, so I'll deliver a contained blast of nails to provide architectural support, which will count as a good deed towards getting me out of this Matrix-like virtual reality simulator" kind of crazy.

The current evidence points that way. No group claiming responsibility; no political statement issued; no real sanity to the attack points (yes, they had large concentrations of people, but so does, say, Wall Street); no prior warning via known terrorist groups...yeah, sounds like a loner, and from that we can safely conclude 'lunatic', because blowing up bombs is not actually the action of a sane person.

/Had this argument in Anthro class
//Because apparently I live in redneck-ville where everything is the fault of lack of parenting
///The idea that you cannot parent out crazy apparently is a radically new one in  farking college.


Sure you can parent out crazy.  You drown your kid if it turns out he likes to torture animals or exhibits other signs of psychopathy.
 
2013-04-17 11:19:05 AM

nytmare: Easier to find and stop a domestic terrorist than a foreign one. Unabomber notwithstanding.


O RLY? Seems like we've had a totally easy time stopping foreign terrorists except for that one time (and they were all found and stopped, just in tiny bits). Shoe bomber, panty bomber, Times Square "bomber," mailed bombs on flights, none successful, all resulting in arrests. Meanwhile, guys like The Order and the Beltway Sniper go on murder sprees lasting weeks to years. And Kaczynski is just the most "successful" of a long line of domestic mad bombers who operated undetected for years at a stretch.
 
2013-04-17 11:19:13 AM
Article does make sense. If perp is non white the ENTIRE race or subgroup will be suspect and villified.
If it is a white guy or guys ONLY they will be judge and nothing more.

No one is going to start harassing random 30 yr old white males in the US, call them terrorist POS, mock or even cause harm to them. Can't say the same if the perp ends up being black, brown or yellow. That entire sub group will be subjected to intense hate, prejudiced and discrimination afterward by the rest of the country.
 
2013-04-17 11:20:11 AM
this is horrible and you should feel bad
 
2013-04-17 11:20:38 AM
White males are the only group left where it's still politically correct for hate mongering articles like this to be written.

If the author had written this trash about any other group his career would be over and people would be protesting Slate in the streets. Instead hate speech double standards exist and crap like this continues to be published.

The author should be ashamed and resign in disgust at what he wrote. Want to end racism? Stop pandering to double standards and start treating people the same regardless.
 
2013-04-17 11:21:32 AM

SuperNinjaToad: Article does make sense. If perp is non white the ENTIRE race or subgroup will be suspect and villified.
If it is a white guy or guys ONLY they will be judge and nothing more.

No one is going to start harassing random 30 yr old white males in the US, call them terrorist POS, mock or even cause harm to them. Can't say the same if the perp ends up being black, brown or yellow. That entire sub group will be subjected to intense hate, prejudiced and discrimination afterward by the rest of the country.


Yeah, but if it's a McVeigh-style racist, there will be a political backlash against survivalists, preppers and militia types, just as there was in '95. To which I say:

api.ning.com
 
2013-04-17 11:28:29 AM
We white Americans are proud of our fat, lazy, hate-mongering, pedophile, racist, serial-killer, hillbilly, corporate-greed, zealously-uber-religious stereotype. Don't take that from us.


...says the guy who who is totally not racist!
 
2013-04-17 11:28:32 AM
However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes.

Horseshiat


i.imgur.com
Ambassador Lee Tae Shik proposed Korean Americans conduct a 32-day hunger strike
in repentance for the massacre.

America was like, we can tell the difference. Relax.


Link

America didn't break out in riots, going crazy on black people.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-17 11:29:45 AM
DC snipers didnt link

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-17 11:31:44 AM

seadoo2006: RexTalionis: Tatsuma: In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Yeah, there were just so few even though you had so much hand-wringing about making sure to point out that not all Muslims were not terrorists. Bush himself came and said that multiple times.

You must have an exceptionally large hand:

[ww3.hdnux.com image 497x471]

Not only that, but inbred rednecks were beating Sikhs, Hindus, and Ethiopians because they wore headpieces that looked like Islamic turbans, even though they don't have anything to do with each other.  Americans are, by and large, racist pieces of shiat because of the entrenched xenophobia in the deep South.


Interersting graphic. Muslims destroy a part NYC and jews still catch more shiat.
 
2013-04-17 11:34:34 AM

jaybeezey: seadoo2006: RexTalionis: Tatsuma: In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Yeah, there were just so few even though you had so much hand-wringing about making sure to point out that not all Muslims were not terrorists. Bush himself came and said that multiple times.

You must have an exceptionally large hand:

[ww3.hdnux.com image 497x471]

Not only that, but inbred rednecks were beating Sikhs, Hindus, and Ethiopians because they wore headpieces that looked like Islamic turbans, even though they don't have anything to do with each other.  Americans are, by and large, racist pieces of shiat because of the entrenched xenophobia in the deep South.

Interersting graphic. Muslims destroy a part NYC and jews still catch more shiat.


This is based off of incidents reported to the FBI, and after 9/11, a lot of Muslims and Sikhs under-reported incidents of intimidation and bias.
 
2013-04-17 11:34:46 AM

jaybeezey: Interersting graphic. Muslims destroy a part NYC and jews still catch more shiat.


As I always say to those who yell about how America has a huge problem with 'Islamophobia': There are three times as many reported hate crimes against Jews every year. Why aren't you talking about America's huge anti-semitic problem?

I've had people actually telling me that this was a sign that there was no anti-semitism in America, because the number of crimes reported against Jews were higher therefore they were more likely to report those crimes to the police while crimes against Muslims were in fact much higher but unreported.

Based on absolutely no proof whatsoever, just his gut feeling.


People are pretty farking stupid and just love to paint America in a bad light.
 
2013-04-17 11:36:06 AM

RexTalionis: jaybeezey: seadoo2006: RexTalionis: Tatsuma: In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Yeah, there were just so few even though you had so much hand-wringing about making sure to point out that not all Muslims were not terrorists. Bush himself came and said that multiple times.

You must have an exceptionally large hand:

[ww3.hdnux.com image 497x471]

Not only that, but inbred rednecks were beating Sikhs, Hindus, and Ethiopians because they wore headpieces that looked like Islamic turbans, even though they don't have anything to do with each other.  Americans are, by and large, racist pieces of shiat because of the entrenched xenophobia in the deep South.

Interersting graphic. Muslims destroy a part NYC and jews still catch more shiat.

This is based off of incidents reported to the FBI, and after 9/11, a lot of Muslims and Sikhs under-reported incidents of intimidation and bias.


So, you're saying that Jews are just more sensitive then? So much for discrediting the anti-Semite sentiment this country loves so much ...

just kidding with ya!
 
2013-04-17 11:36:28 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-17 11:37:47 AM
FTFA: Because of these undeniable and pervasive double standards, the specific identity of the Boston Marathon bomber (or bombers) is not some minor detail - it will almost certainly dictate what kind of governmental, political and societal response we see in the coming weeks.

TFA Headline: Let's hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American.

That was the dumbest possible way to make a cogent point. I guess, "Let's hope the bomber is caught soon and stands trial," isn't good copy.
 
2013-04-17 11:42:19 AM

people: However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes.

Horseshiat


[i.imgur.com image 470x343]
Ambassador Lee Tae Shik proposed Korean Americans conduct a 32-day hunger strike
in repentance for the massacre.

America was like, we can tell the difference. Relax.

Link

America didn't break out in riots, going crazy on black people.

[i.imgur.com image 450x570]


I'm beginning to think that your pervasive sense of victimization has clouded your ability to reason.  (I remember you from the men-in-college thread.)
How does the existence of non-white serial killers change the fact that most are white?
 
2013-04-17 11:43:30 AM

seadoo2006: So, you're saying that Jews are just more sensitive then? So much for discrediting the anti-Semite sentiment this country loves so much ...

just kidding with ya!


This is bullshiat and there is no proof whatsoever that what he's saying is true.

I know that in the Orthodox community, very often the reaction to hate crimes is just to clear the damages and move on, and only complain when there is a very serious threat.

Personally, in the last 10 years or so, I've been a victim of two racially-motivated assaults (one mild, another where I came up on top), and about a half a dozen other crimes that would qualify as hate crimes. If you were to included people just yelling insults, well i stopped counting. Never complained to the police about any of them.

I know plenty of people who have gone through similar things, and they've all shrugged it off and never reported any of them for the most part.
 
2013-04-17 11:45:10 AM

Graffito: How does the existence of non-white serial killers change the fact that most are white?


You mean that in a country where the majority population is white, the majority of serial killers are white?? Someone get this man a job at the New York Times!


Guess what, if you take the top 5 serial killers in modern history, none of them were white. There are a shiatload of serial killers in South America, Asia or Africa. Do you think all of them are mostly white as well?

What a stupid point to try and make.
 
2013-04-17 11:46:24 AM

Graffito: (I remember you from the men-in-college thread.)


Stalker?

Graffito: How does the existence of non-white serial killers change the fact that most are white?


1)  TFA: "However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes. "

This is bullshiat.  Examples above.

2)  Graffito: How does the existence of non-white serial killers change the fact that most are white?

The term is loaded.  No one gives a fark about the horrible shootings and murders that goes on the inner cities.  That definition is not for them.
 
2013-04-17 11:48:30 AM

Graffito: I remember you from the men-in-college thread


And, by the way, stalker, go answer the questions you had in that thread.   1, 2
 
2013-04-17 11:49:25 AM

Tatsuma: seadoo2006: So, you're saying that Jews are just more sensitive then? So much for discrediting the anti-Semite sentiment this country loves so much ...

just kidding with ya!

This is bullshiat and there is no proof whatsoever that what he's saying is true.

I know that in the Orthodox community, very often the reaction to hate crimes is just to clear the damages and move on, and only complain when there is a very serious threat.

Personally, in the last 10 years or so, I've been a victim of two racially-motivated assaults (one mild, another where I came up on top), and about a half a dozen other crimes that would qualify as hate crimes. If you were to included people just yelling insults, well i stopped counting. Never complained to the police about any of them.

I know plenty of people who have gone through similar things, and they've all shrugged it off and never reported any of them for the most part.


Sociologist says hate crimes toward Muslims have increased since Sept. 11, 2001

The number of reported crimes also shows that the numbers have stayed elevated in the years to follow. From 1992 to 2000, one anti-Muslim hate crime was reported every 15 days. From 2002 to 2009, that rate has stayed steady at one every three days.

"9/11 had had a lasting effect," Peek said. "This really is the new normal."

Another disturbing trend, she said, is that hate crimes are typically underreported, particularly among immigrant communities. Peek said some estimates put the number as high as 20 to 30 actual hate crimes occur for every one reported.


http://www.stwnewspress.com/local/x1049391265/Sociologist-says-hate- cr imes-toward-Muslims-have-increased-since-Sept-11-2001

Remember, I'm full of shiat. Not that he'll see this, since I'm on his ignore list.
 
2013-04-17 11:51:14 AM
I guess I'm asinine. I said this exact thing the day it happened.
 
2013-04-17 11:54:56 AM

Tatsuma: Graffito: How does the existence of non-white serial killers change the fact that most are white?

You mean that in a country where the majority population is white, the majority of serial killers are white?? Someone get this man a job at the New York Times!


Guess what, if you take the top 5 serial killers in modern history, none of them were white. There are a shiatload of serial killers in South America, Asia or Africa. Do you think all of them are mostly white as well?

What a stupid point to try and make.


My comment was specific to another poster (hence the quoting of that poster).  I couldn't make out what he was trying to say/show/prove.  It seemed like he was using pics of non-white serial killers to try to deny that most of them (in this country) are white.  I still don't see how the existence of non-white murderers alters the fact that most serial killers (in this country) are white.
 
2013-04-17 11:56:34 AM

Graffito: My comment was specific to another poster (hence the quoting of that poster). I couldn't make out what he was trying to say/show/prove. It seemed like he was using pics of non-white serial killers to try to deny that most of them (in this country) are white. I still don't see how the existence of non-white murderers alters the fact that most serial killers (in this country) are white.


There's a huge difference between saying 'most serial killers are white' and 'most serial killers in this country are white'.
 
2013-04-17 11:58:01 AM

 

Graffito: I still don't see how the existence of non-white murderers alters the fact that most serial killers (in this country) are white.


Re-read

Graffito: How does the existence of non-white serial killers change the fact that most are white?

1) TFA: "However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes. "

This is bullshiat. Examples above.

2) Graffito: How does the existence of non-white serial killers change the fact that most are white?

The term is loaded. No one gives a fark about the horrible shootings and murders that goes on the inner cities. That definition is not for them.


i.imgur.com

 
2013-04-17 12:03:26 PM

Similar info about homicide and St. Louis, the #2 murder capital in the US.


The premise of the Chicago item was that killings there followed that city's racial divides. The St. Louis map would seem to show very much the same. Race, income and educational attainment are closely aligned in neighborhoods across the city. The divide is so great, that in the "near homicides" neighborhoods (the 20 in which there were 20+ homicides over this period), the average homicide rate is estimated at 57 per 100,000 residents, while the rate in the "not near homicides" neighborhoods (the 20 that saw 0 or 1 total homicides) is estimated at 1 per 100,000 residents. There are more than two St. Louis's, but there are certainly two incredible extremes in the city. Still, the most stark numbers may be the victims. Of the 567 homicides from 2008 to 2011, for which the race of the victim is available in the SLMPD annual reports, 502 are listed as black, while 64 were white. Over that period, 89% of those killed in the city were black. In a city that's very nearly 50/50 black/white, those 64 homicides would give an annual murder rate of ~10/100,000 for white residents and ~78/100,000 black residents.
 
2013-04-17 12:06:11 PM
 Isn't race baiting a no-no for the regular press? Shouldn't somebody report this guy for hate speech or something?
 
2013-04-17 12:16:25 PM

Tatsuma: vygramul: Because racial tensions are not in a good place. We don't need roving bands of ignorant rednecks killing Sikhs because some brown person did it. And we don't need roaming bands of ignorant thugs killing the local crackers because some albino motherfarker did it.

Except that both of these things don't happen.

In the aftermath of 9/11, the number of violent assaults on Muslims/people perceived as Muslims could be counted on the fingers of one hand.


I'd rather they be uncountable.
 
2013-04-17 12:27:18 PM

people: Similar info about homicide and St. Louis, the #2 murder capital in the US.
The premise of the Chicago item was that killings there followed that city's racial divides. The St. Louis map would seem to show very much the same. Race, income and educational attainment are closely aligned in neighborhoods across the city. The divide is so great, that in the "near homicides" neighborhoods (the 20 in which there were 20+ homicides over this period), the average homicide rate is estimated at 57 per 100,000 residents, while the rate in the "not near homicides" neighborhoods (the 20 that saw 0 or 1 total homicides) is estimated at 1 per 100,000 residents. There are more than two St. Louis's, but there are certainly two incredible extremes in the city. Still, the most stark numbers may be the victims. Of the 567 homicides from 2008 to 2011, for which the race of the victim is available in the SLMPD annual reports, 502 are listed as black, while 64 were white. Over that period, 89% of those killed in the city were black. In a city that's very nearly 50/50 black/white, those 64 homicides would give an annual murder rate of ~10/100,000 for white residents and ~78/100,000 black residents.


And how many of those homicides were gang members killing gang members? Because that shiat isn't going to stop unless some serious effort (and money) is put into improving the inner cities.

Gang violence is tragic, but comparing it to serial killers is comparing apples and oranges.
 
2013-04-17 12:34:24 PM

Stephen_Falken: I guess I'm asinine. I said this exact thing the day it happened.


Admitting it is the first step, bravo sir.
 
2013-04-17 12:35:33 PM

SlothB77: What larger group was the Unabomber working for?


The CIA. False Flag!
 
2013-04-17 01:00:32 PM

Graffito: I think you missed the point of the article - namely that we don't marginalize white men as a group even though they are responsible for most serial killings. Even when the police or FBI suspect a white male, they don't go rounding up white males en masse.
How does suspecting a white male as the culprit negatively affect you? Do people treat you suspiciously as you go about your daily life?


I think you're missing the point that THEY DO profile white males, and yes, if you were a white male anywhere near a crime scene in a serial killer investigation - you WILL BE profiled, taken into custody, questioned and investigated.  And the black woman next to you wouldn't.  And I'm not complaining about how that would negatively effect me, because that's just plain smart police work.
 
2013-04-17 01:04:24 PM

vygramul: I'd rather they be uncountable.


Well me too, but in a country of more than 300M citizens, the fact that about 5 total went out after the biggest terror attack on America went out and lashed out on others in a couple of separate incident tells me we're doing pretty well and there's no need to 'wish it's a white guy'
 
2013-04-17 01:06:28 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Article does make sense. If perp is non white the ENTIRE race or subgroup will be suspect and villified.
If it is a white guy or guys ONLY they will be judge and nothing more.

No one is going to start harassing random 30 yr old white males in the US, call them terrorist POS, mock or even cause harm to them. Can't say the same if the perp ends up being black, brown or yellow. That entire sub group will be subjected to intense hate, prejudiced and discrimination afterward by the rest of the country.


So if they guy turns out to be an anti-government nut white guy you think there will only be backlash against him?
 
2013-04-17 01:07:32 PM
Do you want another stupid war? I think all sane people should be hoping this isn't foreign terrorism so the perp actually gets arrested and put in prison instead of some country bombed or invaded.
 
2013-04-17 01:08:58 PM

Wendy's Chili: Nabb1: Wendy's Chili: HAMMERTOE: Where is the media fury? Where are the liberal cries to outlaw evil-looking "assault bombs"? Where are the cries to outlaw explosive substances wholesale? Explosive substances have but one purpose, (to ignite and burn explosively and destructively,) just like "guns have but one purpose, to kill." Where are the cries for background checks to purchase gasoline, or limiting possession to say, seven gallons at a time, no matter what size the gas tank?

Eh, no ulterior motives, I guess.

The bomb didn't use gasoline, it used--wait for it--gun powder.

It's a good thing fireworks don't have gunpowder in them.

It's a good thing fireworks are banned in Massachusetts.


That doesn't really help the whole "Massachusetts is tough" thing.

/It's really not
 
2013-04-17 01:09:23 PM

AngryDragon: Look!  It's an Assault Pressure Cooker!

[www.lulusoso.com image 679x800]


Sigh. There is no such thing as an "assault pressure cooker". The Glock AR-47 Tactical Combat Cooker you pictured is essentially the same as a standard civilian cooker, just with some added decoration.
 
2013-04-17 01:21:37 PM

BuckTurgidson: AngryDragon: Look!  It's an Assault Pressure Cooker!

[www.lulusoso.com image 679x800]

Sigh. There is no such thing as an "assault pressure cooker". The Glock AR-47 Tactical Combat Cooker you pictured is essentially the same as a standard civilian cooker, just with some added decoration.


Yeah, but Cletus at the Williams-Sonoma says you can file a rivet off one of the handles, and then you can cook beans in 12 minutes instead of 30.
 
2013-04-17 01:29:27 PM

EWreckedSean: SuperNinjaToad: Article does make sense. If perp is non white the ENTIRE race or subgroup will be suspect and villified.
If it is a white guy or guys ONLY they will be judge and nothing more.

No one is going to start harassing random 30 yr old white males in the US, call them terrorist POS, mock or even cause harm to them. Can't say the same if the perp ends up being black, brown or yellow. That entire sub group will be subjected to intense hate, prejudiced and discrimination afterward by the rest of the country.

So if they guy turns out to be an anti-government nut white guy you think there will only be backlash against him?


Not his race orreligion which are the most tangible aspect. There will be NO backlash against whites if the perp is white. The same is not true if the perp is a non-white. To pretend otherwise would be willfully ignorance.
 
2013-04-17 01:40:37 PM

SuperNinjaToad: EWreckedSean: SuperNinjaToad: Article does make sense. If perp is non white the ENTIRE race or subgroup will be suspect and villified.
If it is a white guy or guys ONLY they will be judge and nothing more.

No one is going to start harassing random 30 yr old white males in the US, call them terrorist POS, mock or even cause harm to them. Can't say the same if the perp ends up being black, brown or yellow. That entire sub group will be subjected to intense hate, prejudiced and discrimination afterward by the rest of the country.

So if they guy turns out to be an anti-government nut white guy you think there will only be backlash against him?

Not his race orreligion which are the most tangible aspect. There will be NO backlash against whites if the perp is white. The same is not true if the perp is a non-white. To pretend otherwise would be willfully ignorance.


Except you didn't say race, you said race or subgroup. And you said they ONLY (emphasis yours) will be judged. The truth is I hope obviously otherwise. How many white male serial killers in the last few years have been used to attack any various number of groups. Anti-government, Tea Party, militia, pro-gun, etc..
 
2013-04-17 02:37:08 PM

HAMMERTOE: Point conceded. Are you saying it couldn't have used gasoline? Gasoline can burn explosively as well, a fact that allows the internal combustion engine to operate.


Internal combustion engines use internal combustion, not internal explosion. If explosions happen it's called knocking and it's bad.
 
2013-04-17 02:39:06 PM
White Like Bill Ayers?
 
2013-04-17 02:41:15 PM

Tatsuma: Call us genocidal bastards if you want, call us supremacists, call us kikes/hymiecountry/whatever racial insult you want, call us the new Nazis, I don't care.

But don't ever farking call us bronies.


Oh sweet Jesus, looks who's back.
 
2013-04-17 02:45:48 PM

Graffito: I think you missed the point of the article - namely that we don't marginalize white men as a group even though they are responsible for most serial killings.


Similarly, extremists Muslims are rightly criticised for their repulsive attitudes to women and to the less observant but ultra-orthodox Jews, whose attitudes are practically indistinguishable, get a free pass. That, I think, is because Jews are seen as white, european, people-like-us with funny hats whereas Muslims are seen as coloured, middle eastern, aliens with funny hats.
 
2013-04-17 02:52:52 PM

vygramul: I'd rather they be uncountable.


They're irrational. That's a start.
 
2013-04-17 02:58:11 PM

orbister: Graffito: I think you missed the point of the article - namely that we don't marginalize white men as a group even though they are responsible for most serial killings.

Similarly, extremists Muslims are rightly criticised for their repulsive attitudes to women and to the less observant but ultra-orthodox Jews, whose attitudes are practically indistinguishable, get a free pass. That, I think, is because Jews are seen as white, european, people-like-us with funny hatsdont blow up civilians on purpose whereas Muslims are seen as coloured, middle eastern, aliens with funny hats. blow up women and children ON purpose



FTFY
 
2013-04-17 02:59:26 PM
If a Muslim is arrested, the soft squishing noise you will hear on the wind will be Charles Krauthammer, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, et al. furiously masturbating.
 
2013-04-17 03:09:26 PM
I hope it's a midget.  An angry midget, upset that he couldn't run as far or as fast on his little midget-legs, who intended the bombs to hit people square in the chest, but unfortunately calibrated the devices to his own height. There's not enough midget hate these days.
 
2013-04-17 03:17:36 PM

Joe Blowme: Similarly, extremists Muslims are rightly criticised for their repulsive attitudes to women and to the less observant but ultra-orthodox Jews, whose attitudes are practically indistinguishable, get a free pass. That, I think, is because Jews are seen as white, european, people-like-us with funny hatsdont blow up civilians on purpose whereas Muslims are seen as coloured, middle eastern, aliens with funny hats. blow up women and children ON purpose


Ah, that's interesting. A blood libel directed at Muslims.
 
2013-04-17 03:19:42 PM
In those awful episodes, a religious or ethnic minority group lacking such privilege would likely be collectively slandered and/or targeted with surveillance or profiling (or worse) if some of its individuals comprised most of the mass shooters. However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes

But profiling all gun owners if perfectly fine.
 
2013-04-17 03:40:07 PM

Joe Blowme: I just want to know where Bill Ayers was when this went down.


The bomb does fit the MO of the Weather Underground.
 
2013-04-17 04:11:27 PM

Dynascape: I had KFC Sunday night for Thrones and Mad Men.

It gave me the runs for 2 days.


Maybe you should stop watching TV on Sunday night.
 
2013-04-17 04:45:24 PM
Just for once, how about someone except the usual suspects?

A gay terrorist is long needed. Just to shake things up a bit.
 
2013-04-17 05:18:57 PM

Haoie: A gay terrorist is long needed. Just to shake things up a bit.


Well there was Yasser Arafat.
 
2013-04-17 06:52:43 PM

Haoie: A gay terrorist is long needed. Just to shake things up a bit.


Robert Mugabe protests a hell of a lot.
 
2013-04-17 08:10:15 PM

pdee: In those awful episodes, a religious or ethnic minority group lacking such privilege would likely be collectively slandered and/or targeted with surveillance or profiling (or worse) if some of its individuals comprised most of the mass shooters. However, white male privilege means white men are not collectively denigrated/targeted for those shootings - even though most come at the hands of white dudes

But profiling all gun owners if perfectly fine.


Also profiling them all as "privileged" is acceptable in some circles too apparently.
 
2013-04-17 08:53:25 PM
Dear Salon,

STFU.
Thank you.
 
2013-04-17 09:42:36 PM

Nabb1: Someone got paid to write this sniveling piece of drivel?


His name is David Sirato. Someone told me that somewhere in TFA there is a way to get a message to him.
 
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