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2013-04-17 04:48:07 AM
No subby, they're not allowed to put any ads on the screen.  Y'know, the screen that directly occludes your vision and which could pose a safety hazard if you were getting constant spammy popups for Quality Goat Porn complete with Lusty Bleating and Authentic Humping Animations.
 
2013-04-17 05:00:21 AM

yukichigai: No subby, they're not allowed to put any ads on the screen.  Y'know, the screen that directly occludes your vision and which could pose a safety hazard if you were getting constant spammy popups for Quality Goat Porn complete with Lusty Bleating and Authentic Humping Animations.


TFA:
after the internet search giant announced that it would not allow them to charge users for their apps.
In the newly released terms and conditions covering Glass, Google also said it would not allow in-app advertising



I dunno, that sounds like two things to me:  No charging for the app, and no advertising in the app.

/not subby.
 
2013-04-17 05:03:52 AM

Relatively Obscure: yukichigai: No subby, they're not allowed to put any ads on the screen.  Y'know, the screen that directly occludes your vision and which could pose a safety hazard if you were getting constant spammy popups for Quality Goat Porn complete with Lusty Bleating and Authentic Humping Animations.

TFA:
after the internet search giant announced that it would not allow them to charge users for their apps.
In the newly released terms and conditions covering Glass, Google also said it would not allow in-app advertising


I dunno, that sounds like two things to me:  No charging for the app, and no advertising in the app.

/not subby.


Ah.  Missed that.

Curious how they expect to get developers to do anything with it then.
 
2013-04-17 07:11:26 AM
Google wants a clean launch. Paid apps will follow.

Guaranteed.
 
2013-04-17 08:27:49 AM
Something tells me they are going to be carrying this boat anchor for an awful long time to be worth the investment.
 
2013-04-17 08:31:53 AM

PreMortem: Google wants a clean launch. Paid apps will follow.

Guaranteed.


Depends on whether this thing survives.
The concept is sound but people don't seem to know exactly what they should do with these devices. Its all kind of new and the broader market (if there is one) hasn't been determined yet.

No audience means no add money is going to be made.
It'll probably be useful to the right crowd, but not an app store monster like the iPhone.
 
2013-04-17 08:38:43 AM
Well, they didn't say anything against in-app purchases!
 
2013-04-17 08:41:23 AM

way south: The concept is sound


I'm unconvinced. The main purpose of a HUD is to decontextualize your access to information. There's very little information that we deal with on a regular basis which would benefit from decontextualization. I deeply question the value of strapping a display to your face.

And I'm speaking as someone who invested more time and effort into building something like this in the early '00s because I thought it would be cool. In the past decade, I've spent more time thinking about it, and realized that it doesn't actually offer anything I need.

I want a smart belt, that communicates via a haptic interface.
 
2013-04-17 08:43:03 AM
...battery will last a day of typical use...

So, 5 minutes of actual use. Got it.
 
2013-04-17 08:44:51 AM

Relatively Obscure: yukichigai: No subby, they're not allowed to put any ads on the screen.  Y'know, the screen that directly occludes your vision and which could pose a safety hazard if you were getting constant spammy popups for Quality Goat Porn complete with Lusty Bleating and Authentic Humping Animations.

TFA:
after the internet search giant announced that it would not allow them to charge users for their apps.
In the newly released terms and conditions covering Glass, Google also said it would not allow in-app advertising


I dunno, that sounds like two things to me:  No charging for the app, and no advertising in the app.

/not subby.


Which makes the subby wrong in the opposite direction: Not only can developers not make a profit, they can't make any revenue AT ALL to cover development costs.
 
2013-04-17 08:46:11 AM
As far as I read, this only applies to the developer prototypes at this point.  The consumer versions are not expected until later this year.  I imagine they will have a different set of rules once these things hit the general populace.

From other articles I've read, you are also not allowed to sell the prototypes to anyone else, and google will be doing some sort of account linking with the individual units to ensure it stays with the original owner.
 
2013-04-17 08:48:24 AM

t3knomanser: way south: The concept is sound

I'm unconvinced. The main purpose of a HUD is to decontextualize your access to information. There's very little information that we deal with on a regular basis which would benefit from decontextualization. I deeply question the value of strapping a display to your face.

And I'm speaking as someone who invested more time and effort into building something like this in the early '00s because I thought it would be cool. In the past decade, I've spent more time thinking about it, and realized that it doesn't actually offer anything I need.

I want a smart belt, that communicates via a haptic interface.


The entire purpose of Glass is to turn people into free data miners of real-world data. The HUD is just something used to try to help sell it.

/completely agree with you
 
2013-04-17 08:49:28 AM

t3knomanser: I'm unconvinced. The main purpose of a HUD is to decontextualize your access to information. There's very little information that we deal with on a regular basis which would benefit from decontextualization. I deeply question the value of strapping a display to your face.


The one use case I can think of (and am excited about) is better turn by turn navigation while I'm driving.  Don't have to look down at a map display on a phone for one thing.

Well, in the current iteration I'd have to look up and to the right at a map display on that tiny little screen of theirs.  That isn't worth much.  Make it a whole field of vision thing and just draw a line on the road where I need to go, then we're talking.
 
2013-04-17 08:50:17 AM
 ...it was rumored that hackers for big media companies had figured out a way to get through the defenses that were built into such systems, and run junk advertisements in your peripheral vision (or even spang in the middle all the time - even when your eyes were closed. Bud knew a guy like that who'd somehow gotten infected with a meme that ran advertisements for roach motels, in Hindi, superimposed on the bottom right-hand corner of his visual field, twenty-four hours a day, until the guy whacked himself.
--The Diamond Age, Neal Stephenson

Once again, science fiction predicts the future.
 
2013-04-17 08:51:52 AM
It *sounds* like Google is aware of just how...delicately...they have to handle the development & launch of this product, and are trying to exert greater control over the end result.

You KNOW that the whole point of this thing, from Google's business standpoint, is augmented reality advertising - ie, step into Chinatown, look down the street, and see contextual ads (with reviews, ratings, menu, price range, etc) for every restaurant pop up and transparently superimpose over that restaurant's location in the street.

Augmented reality  is the future of the internet.  But getting there first is the key, and all-the-time AR has greater societal implications & issues that make these first steps very, very risky.
 
2013-04-17 08:56:24 AM

Lexx: It *sounds* like Google is aware of just how...delicately...they have to handle the development & launch of this product, and are trying to exert greater control over the end result.

You KNOW that the whole point of this thing, from Google's business standpoint, is augmented reality advertising - ie, step into Chinatown, look down the street, and see contextual ads (with reviews, ratings, menu, price range, etc) for every restaurant pop up and transparently superimpose over that restaurant's location in the street.

Augmented reality  is the future of the internet.  But getting there first is the key, and all-the-time AR has greater societal implications & issues that make these first steps very, very risky.


Please.....everyone knows this is just a fancy new controller for Ingress.

/I'll pass on this and just wait for my eyePhone.
 
2013-04-17 08:56:28 AM

serial_crusher: The one use case I can think of (and am excited about) is better turn by turn navigation while I'm driving


That'd be better implemented on the windscreen, not glasses strapped to your face.

Lexx: Augmented reality  is the future of the internet.


I'm unconvinced. Reality is extremely complex and full of noise already. AR, as envisioned, is only set to make that worse.
 
2013-04-17 09:00:56 AM
Yeah, I'll be skipping this one.  For one, like a bluetooth, you just look stupid wearing it.
 
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2013-04-17 09:01:40 AM

PreMortem: Google wants a clean launch. Paid apps will follow.

Guaranteed.


It will happen.  But even if it didn't, there's no reason companies with paid services wouldn't want to have a free companion app for smartphones & Glass.
 
2013-04-17 09:03:18 AM

t3knomanser: serial_crusher: The one use case I can think of (and am excited about) is better turn by turn navigation while I'm driving

That'd be better implemented on the windscreen, not glasses strapped to your face


In a car, sure.  On a bike or on foot I don't have a windshield.
 
2013-04-17 09:04:00 AM

t3knomanser: serial_crusher: The one use case I can think of (and am excited about) is better turn by turn navigation while I'm driving

That'd be better implemented on the windscreen, not glasses strapped to your face.


One application that would be cool is, there are many running apps that let you 'race yourself' (your previous runs).... the next step of that would be to have something like Google glass that shows a bunch of "virtual yous" running your past runs on the same route, and you can look forward and behind you and see where they are compared to where you are now.
 
2013-04-17 09:05:32 AM
Not for anything, but Google Glass isn't anywhere close to mass launch - it is at least 8 months away. All that there is in the wild are about 1500 or so Explorer models for developers and interested parties only. There's nothing to suggest that Google isn't changing the policies on revenues before the actual launch, only that currently, Google doesn't want developers to charge for what will essentially be beta products on beta hardware.
 
2013-04-17 09:13:09 AM

t3knomanser: serial_crusher: The one use case I can think of (and am excited about) is better turn by turn navigation while I'm driving

That'd be better implemented on the windscreen, not glasses strapped to your face.

Lexx: Augmented reality  is the future of the internet.

I'm unconvinced. Reality is extremely complex and full of noise already. AR, as envisioned, is only set to make that worse.


The future of the internet, and computing in general, is seamless integration.  We're within sight of internet access becoming akin to a public utility.  Mobile is increasingly where all the money is going, both in application development and device sales.  Location-aware mobile is a killer app enabler, and augmented reality is already popping up everywhere.  Sure, there's TONS of social issues that are going to spring into the general public's awareness with ubiquitous AR, but it, undoubtedly, is the future.  Just think of all the ways it can help!

-your kid has a rash? Take a picture of it & very smart image recognition tied to a paid medical service gives you a preliminary diagnosis
-downtown, hanging out & feel peckish?  Just by looking around, be able to spot a restaurant to your liking within 150 feet of you.
-waiting at a bus stop? see which buses are coming, how far away they are, which routes are cancelled, etc.  Don't want to wait? Switch to walking directions & have a line, lit up in your vision, of the path to walk!
-looking at a landmark & want to know about its history?  Image recognition search
-got into a car crash?  instant insurance quote as your adjuster is able to view the damage - from your eyes.
-Trying to find your friend in a crowded area?  Their location, super-imposed onto your vision.

AR has some other applications though, a bit less wholesome.  Want to know if your classmate's a porn star? Congratulations, you can! Image recognition search without anyone being the wiser.

It's inevitable, it's just too damned useful to not be.  But it's very delicate early days yet.
 
2013-04-17 09:17:05 AM

Lexx: Want to know if your classmate's a porn star? Congratulations, you can! Image recognition search without anyone being the wiser.


I don't know, now a days it seems like if they are under 25, it is more like "Check to see if somehow that person doesn't have a naked video on the internet".
 
2013-04-17 09:20:17 AM

Lexx: is seamless integration


I disagree. Context switching is important. I don't think seamless integration is a good idea from a user-experience standpoint.
 
2013-04-17 09:22:59 AM

t3knomanser: Lexx: is seamless integration

I disagree. Context switching is important. I don't think seamless integration is a good idea from a user-experience standpoint.


You can always turn it off if you like, but it'll be ubiquitously available within the next decade.
 
2013-04-17 09:24:22 AM
That's actually fairly sensible.  For the time being Glass is a fairly unique thing, much more prototype being mass tested than a known quantity like a smartphone.

Once it leaves the land of "lets see what it can do" and developers have a good idea (from the metrics provided with their free app) of what is and isn't wanted from a given app using Glass then start figuring out how to make the punters pay.

Because I'm not going to pay for an app that turns the screen the screen black because the dev just had to use this colour scheme.... it's very pretty but now I can't farking see where I'm going!

/Minor over exaggeration.
//But you get the point.
 
2013-04-17 09:25:25 AM

Lexx: You can always turn it off if you like, but it'll be ubiquitously available within the next decade.


It's not about like or dislike. I think establishing context is an important part of designing successful technologies. A technology that actively tries to decontextualize its usage is going to be a failed technology.
 
2013-04-17 09:25:59 AM
Actually I bet the first app is a joke "peril sensitive mode" that does actually turn the screen(s) black.
 
2013-04-17 09:26:23 AM

dletter: Lexx: Want to know if your classmate's a porn star? Congratulations, you can! Image recognition search without anyone being the wiser.

I don't know, now a days it seems like if they are under 25, it is more like "Check to see if somehow that person doesn't have a naked video on the internet".


Oh man, awesome idea for ransomware.  The app that automatically finds everybody's homemade porn and automatically displays it in a little floating box over their head, whether you want to see that shiat or not.
 
2013-04-17 09:30:39 AM
Because google controlling their search results is so great, let's let google completely overlay the world with what it says is good and bad, and literally tell us what to do every step of the way. I don't see what could possibly go wrong.

/dons tinfoil hat
 
2013-04-17 09:33:38 AM

randroid: Because google controlling their search results is so great, let's let google completely overlay the world with what it says is good and bad, and literally tell us what to do every step of the way. I don't see what could possibly go wrong.

/dons tinfoil hat


:)

Nobody ever said you had to make this thing talk to the mothership,  you can flash an Android phone with ROM's that all but give Google the finger in that respect.  I suspect the Nexus version of Glass will be similar.

But hey, got any of that foil spare.... just in case.
 
2013-04-17 09:37:41 AM

t3knomanser: Lexx: You can always turn it off if you like, but it'll be ubiquitously available within the next decade.

It's not about like or dislike. I think establishing context is an important part of designing successful technologies. A technology that actively tries to decontextualize its usage is going to be a failed technology.


Music broadcasting.  Does it really matter what source you're getting tunes from?
 
2013-04-17 09:40:29 AM
"Nobody ever said you had to make this thing talk to the mothership, you can flash an Android phone with ROM's that all but give Google the finger in that respect. I suspect the Nexus version of Glass will be similar.

But hey, got any of that foil spare.... just in case."

Is glass open source like Android is?
 
2013-04-17 09:42:18 AM

RexTalionis: Not for anything, but Google Glass isn't anywhere close to mass launch - it is at least 8 months away.


Just pointing out that augmented reality glasses, a science fiction dream for as long as I've been alive, is 8 months away from being a widely available consumer product.
 
2013-04-17 09:46:25 AM
randroid:
Is glass open source like Android is?

*looks at jailbroken iDevice on desk*  I'm not sure open source really matters.  If it isn't it soon will be ya know?

But it's probably going to be Android powered, so chunks of its code will appear in AOSP repos sooner or later.
 
2013-04-17 09:49:40 AM
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2013-04-17 09:53:52 AM
"
*looks at jailbroken iDevice on desk* I'm not sure open source really matters. If it isn't it soon will be ya know?

But it's probably going to be Android powered, so chunks of its code will appear in AOSP repos sooner or later."

I suppose. Either way, considering I don't even like using Turn-by-turn navigation, I'm obviously not the target audience. I've seen too many people who don't know where anything is because they always use gps, I can see people becoming dependent on this.

Besides, Big Advertising will see this neutered anyways. Imagine IRL Adblockers.
 
2013-04-17 09:58:11 AM

randroid: "
 Imagine IRL Adblockers.


I am.  Good isn't it?  All those billboards and stuff blanked out and used to display more useful information (or the text from They Live if you've got that app running).
 
2013-04-17 10:14:42 AM

t3knomanser: way south: The concept is sound

I'm unconvinced. The main purpose of a HUD is to decontextualize your access to information. There's very little information that we deal with on a regular basis which would benefit from decontextualization. I deeply question the value of strapping a display to your face.



Its about the kinds of information and the speed of access.
There are times when I've been working on a printer or doing some job where a floating screen of the manual would be handy.  There have been other projects trying to make goggle huds for the military, bikers and snowboarders.
Google wants this thing to identify landmarks and products so it can shove information in your face before you need it. Look at a QR code and the information is already downloading.   It would make doing inventory a cinch.

There is a value in this thing. Question is if this would be something that everyone will use or just a handful of people for special jobs.

/It could end up being the segway of consumer electronics.
/Really cool, and useful to some, but not useful enough to drive a giant market for the thing.
 
2013-04-17 10:19:52 AM

Lexx: Music broadcasting.  Does it really matter what source you're getting tunes from?


That's completely unrelated to the contextualization of an interface. When you change stations, you engage in a context- you have to look at your music playing device and interact with it directly. It's a highly contextualized interface- it doesn't engage you until you engage it.
 
2013-04-17 10:27:50 AM

way south: Question is if this would be something that everyone will use or just a handful of people for special jobs.


This I don't deny. I don't see it being a successful consumer product, but within certain market niches, it could be very successful.
 
2013-04-17 10:33:54 AM

meanmutton: Relatively Obscure: yukichigai: No subby, they're not allowed to put any ads on the screen.  Y'know, the screen that directly occludes your vision and which could pose a safety hazard if you were getting constant spammy popups for Quality Goat Porn complete with Lusty Bleating and Authentic Humping Animations.

TFA:
after the internet search giant announced that it would not allow them to charge users for their apps.
In the newly released terms and conditions covering Glass, Google also said it would not allow in-app advertising


I dunno, that sounds like two things to me:  No charging for the app, and no advertising in the app.

/not subby.

Which makes the subby wrong in the opposite direction: Not only can developers not make a profit, they can't make any revenue AT ALL to cover development costs.


Not strictly true.  They can't make revenue through things running on Glass itself.  However many mobile apps work in conjunction with a website, where the developer _could_ make money.

I really don't understand the logic here though... best guess is they want to discourage having a ton of apps so they can keep the experience "cleaner" and provide most of the services themselves.
 
2013-04-17 10:40:57 AM
Actually, I agree with some of the others.... Glass isn't really "widely" live yet... I think they just didn't want people charging anything yet to the few thousand people who have glass primarily for the same reasons... to play and start to develop with it.

Once google has it out to millions of people, they'll open it up to e-commerce.
 
2013-04-17 10:45:55 AM
Every day I see people on the bus and on the train staring at their phones, people walking, staring at their phones, people sitting in restaurants, staring at their phones, people at stoplights staring at their phones, people driving, staring at their phones. A device that they can hang on their faces is sure to be popular.
 
2013-04-17 10:47:05 AM

t3knomanser: Lexx: You can always turn it off if you like, but it'll be ubiquitously available within the next decade.

It's not about like or dislike. I think establishing context is an important part of designing successful technologies. A technology that actively tries to decontextualize its usage is going to be a failed technology.


Can you explain this further?
 
2013-04-17 10:50:08 AM

mccallcl: RexTalionis: Not for anything, but Google Glass isn't anywhere close to mass launch - it is at least 8 months away.

Just pointing out that augmented reality glasses, a science fiction dream for as long as I've been alive, is 8 months away from being a widely available consumer product.


We do live in the future, you know.  Pretty farking awesome.
 
2013-04-17 10:57:02 AM

red5ish: Every day I see people on the bus and on the train staring at their phones, people walking, staring at their phones, people sitting in restaurants, staring at their phones, people at stoplights staring at their phones, people driving, staring at their phones. A device that they can hang on their faces is sure to be popular.


A few things I see with this....

1) While this is a first step... from what I've seen, it is basically a screen in the "upper left/right" periphery of the persons vision... not really a "total augmented reality" presented in front of you.    That will probably come down the road, but, for right now, it is really just a hands free video screen for the most part.

2) I didn't notice, but, I would think they'd be able to work in some "eye focus" technology in this (ie, look at a certain spot on the video screen to "click" it, much like the holding of your hand at a spot on Xbox Kinnect).  That along with the voice recognition will be a more enhanced way to interact with it.
 
2013-04-17 11:02:08 AM
Cell phones will be the average person's computer, and the glasses will be the monitor linked via some bluetooth equivilant. People paying monthly subscription for computing power.
 
2013-04-17 11:10:11 AM
Vaneshi
Nobody ever said you had to make this thing talk to the mothership, you can flash an Android phone with ROM's that all but give Google the finger in that respect.


IIRC from the API presentation video, everything is running from/through a Google service and the glasses themselves are pretty much just dumbed down HTTP clients that display HTML "cards" to the user and post pre-registered commands via HTTP to that Google service.
An "app" is just some webservice which talks to Google via that Mirror API. The glasses only talk to that Google service.

It's all just HTTP+JSON+HTML, so I guess you could replace the Google backend with your own and flash the glasses to use your service's URL instead of Google's, but you would probably also need app providers to register their apps with your service if you want to use anything but your own apps.
 
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