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2013-04-17 02:06:18 AM  
5 votes:

GAT_00: having an unpopular opinion


Trolling is not the same as having an unpopular opinion. You're doing the Fred Phelps thing and being deliberately offensive for yuks and the whole website knows it already.

If these soldiers hadn't been able to help and many people died, you'd be praising the bomber for a high score or some other bullshiat opinion just to be an asshole.
2013-04-16 10:55:50 PM  
4 votes:

MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.


I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.
2013-04-16 10:06:26 PM  
4 votes:

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


You, sir, are disgusting.
2013-04-16 09:48:34 PM  
4 votes:
Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.
2013-04-17 06:37:25 AM  
3 votes:

Public Savant: Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)


How carefully the derp is woven into prose, attempting to pass for wisdom.

You're an idiot.
2013-04-17 06:23:21 AM  
3 votes:

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


Feeling raw emotions and helping your fellow man is not disgusting.
2013-04-17 06:12:46 AM  
3 votes:

SweetDickens: Gotta make up for killing innocents abroad somehow........


benh999: Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?


Because every soldier goes overseas and murders children. Boy, I can't even recall how many tiny, innocent Iraqi children I personally slaughtered when I deployed. We'd keep their heads as trophies and I have my favorite one hanging from my rearview mirror now.
2013-04-17 05:55:22 AM  
3 votes:

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


And yet, one of the big debates in the US congress right now is immigration reform, because everybody is trying to leave America.  Oh wait, that's where you live. nevermind.
2013-04-16 11:08:40 PM  
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.


Goddammit, I had a good post written up to this and it died to a 500 error.

First, I might as well be one, since I've been farking like one for a while....

But really, it's that things like this are really the first step to commercializing tragedies.  It'll happen.  Just watch for how much Remembrance shiat is out for next year's race.  A nice profit off a tragedy.

Meaningless platitudes really get us nowhere.  We learn, we adapt, we move on.  But if we are going to go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, so I was responding with this yesterday on FB.

NewportBarGuy: They don't define us.


Oh, but they do.  We'll look at how people reacted, and commercialize it.  We'll look at how we could have prevented it and make laws for it.  We are hopelessly reactionary when something like this happens, which only dooms the next one.  The positives only end up as someone's product.
2013-04-16 11:04:14 PM  
3 votes:

GAT_00: And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


That's all we really have at the end of the day. We'll have another one of these events again. Of course we will. They don't define us. What defines us is how we respond as human beings. Watching those civilians, soldiers, cops, doctors swarm to the wounded when everyone there, after hearing two explosions could not be sure there were more? They were all heroes. Every single person who ran to help a fallen human at their time of need. To take off their belts, shoelaces, shirts and use them to staunch the bleeding or to form tourniquets. To speak to them and assure them that they were not going to leave their side, help was on the way.

It was just another horrific event that gave the human race a chance to show why they still have any redeeming qualities left. They helped their fellow humans and disregarded their own safety to do so.

You can call it something else, but the clearest word is hero... Someone you hope you will be in the same situation and someone you hope you are raising your children to be.
2013-04-16 10:49:20 PM  
3 votes:
Some people are just patently miserable human beings. Here we have an uplifting story, and someone has to shiat all over it.
2013-04-16 10:41:32 PM  
3 votes:

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.
2013-04-16 10:30:08 PM  
3 votes:

jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.


What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?
2013-04-17 07:46:57 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


No, because you're a douchebag.
2013-04-17 07:45:30 AM  
2 votes:
Wow, a story about people helping others turns into an absolutely terrible thread. Say the words "soldiers" and "helped" and out come the trolls, insulting all Americans as if we worship them and our government. However, as I don't want to feed the trolls, I'll just say something relevant to the ACTUAL article- good for them and everyone else that worked together to help those people. The media can go to hell for all of the conclusions they have jumped to, which is why I haven't watched more than a few minutes of coverage- and I would suggest others do the same. Go outside, talk to people, play with your kids- life is short, so just enjoy living to the fullest. And help others in times of need so that they can, too. In the end, that's all that really matters.
2013-04-17 07:37:23 AM  
2 votes:

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


Oh, blow it out your ass.
2013-04-17 07:23:30 AM  
2 votes:
GAT_00, seriously. STFU. This is not the time or place for this.
2013-04-17 07:13:40 AM  
2 votes:
If everyone acted as the protagonists in this story did as a first at the first sign of every trauma and catastrophe, there'd be no need for the existence of the word "hero".
But not everyone does (not by a damn sight).

These actions (and many more besides) yesterday definitely meet my own personal definition of "heroic".

God damn it.

I thought I'd cried myself out of tears yesterday.

How wrong I am.
2013-04-17 06:44:16 AM  
2 votes:
damn thread has got me wondering what exactly IS bravery?

I don't know where it comes from, and a simple gs isn't helping, but there's a quote that goes something like:
I'm no[t] brave[hero], I'm just too stupid to be scared.

I'm wondering if bravery comes down to knowing the danger you are putting yourself in, and doing it anyway.

Emergency services, the military, these people are trained to be brave, perhaps.
2013-04-17 06:43:27 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: I'm very aware of the source. And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose. A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person. They simply are. The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars. It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag. I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow. And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


I'm really glad someone else feels like this.

It shouldn't take a domestic (?) terror attack for people to help other people out. It's called being a compassionate human being. It is NOT farking heroism.

Rolling out the 'hero' tag for every person just being a compassionate human being, devalues the term Hero. It also makes me weep for American society that everyone else brands HERO across what should be absolute normalcy in society.

Soldiers helping injured parties after explosion? That's not heroism, that's TRAINING.

Anyone calling it heroism needs to check their morality. Seriously. WWJD?
2013-04-17 06:42:02 AM  
2 votes:

Public Savant: Legio Minervia: GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.

Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)


Sharing a minority opinion doesn't give you the high moral ground by virtue.  Your opinion is bad, and you should feel bad.
2013-04-17 06:41:45 AM  
2 votes:

ex0h: They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal.


Technically, you're right.

In practice, however, you're completely wrong. In his example, he used the FDNY during 9/11 as an example of heroism. While yes, their jobs include coming to the rescue of those involved in fire or building oollapse, the heroism comes into the fact that 343 people gave their lives in the tower trying to evacuate civilians beyond the point it had become acceptably dangerous (another topic for another time). When things turned into an all-out disaster, they refused to back down and allow mutual aid to take over, working themselves to exhaustion and injury to try to save lives, which is NOT part of their job.

The later is what made them heroes, not the fact they showed up.
2013-04-17 06:38:19 AM  
2 votes:
HindiDiscoMonster:

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/just doing their jobs right?


I'm sorry that you don't want to hear it.

But yes. They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal. You're trivialising the word by insisting that various emergency services and all soldiers are heroic. It's a total fallacy.
2013-04-17 06:30:57 AM  
2 votes:

August11: But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.


I hate to break up your soapbox, but I don't see that here.

I see people pointing out that these men did something incredibly hard - they ran 26 miles in a full field load, and then rendered aid to anyone they could when they did not have to do so. They could have just set down and wait for aid like everyone else.

There is no flag waving going on here. No one is claiming we should bomb X country because of 'Murican. No one is claiming this makes us superior to those filthy, dirty Belgians.

Just a celebration of humanity and spirit.
2013-04-17 06:21:05 AM  
2 votes:
God, Americans love bullshiatty empty platitudes at times like this, don't they?

It's so false and egotistical.
2013-04-17 06:17:02 AM  
2 votes:
I am proud of my country. I am proud of those soldiers first at the scene.

But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.

Fold the flag properly and get back to work.
2013-04-17 06:16:57 AM  
2 votes:
I just want to say this- I'm not a flag-waving red, white and blue American.   I don't have and never had a yellow ribbon magnet on my car.   I don't have an American flag lapel pin.  But if you are criticizing people coming to the aid of these victims and the media coverage of that, and if you make comments about drones and the rest of the world.   Get over it. America is not unique in this.  Certainly, citizens of other countries would act in the same fashion. But I think that those on this thread that are saying this is being politicized are actually doing that themselves.
2013-04-17 06:14:01 AM  
2 votes:

ex0h: Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.


North Korea.
2013-04-17 06:04:51 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


It's amazing how every day you say something that makes me lose more and more respect for you.
2013-04-17 06:02:33 AM  
2 votes:
For every sicko, there's always more good guys.
2013-04-17 05:50:14 AM  
2 votes:

benh999: Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?


not you
2013-04-17 05:41:44 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.

I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


This isn't really a 'Murica, fark yeah we're heroes! but more like, wow these people did some pretty impressive shiat under the most chaotic of circumstances. I don't think anyone is beating a war drum and bleeding red, white and blue. It's a human triumph piece, not a nationalist one.
2013-04-17 03:30:32 AM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.

Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.


Well I've had my fill of the star spangled banter, the last decade was enough. But I'm happy to thank the people who helped, in uniform or not. There were some really fortunate occurrences and circumstances that have kept the death tole as low as it is. And that's just something small to smile at in all this.

I won't be buying a commemorative coin that will be minted from silver that was hidden in a vault just below the finish line.

But I'm really thankful for those who helped, and I know you are too.
2013-04-17 01:31:20 AM  
2 votes:
I suppose I should be surprised it took this long for the ad hominen attacks to start for having an unpopular opinion. Can't have that, especially when it comes to blind nationalism.
2013-04-17 01:28:56 AM  
2 votes:

log_jammin: lets see...it says 21 comments, then I click and the number of comments is only 5. and without checking I already know who was the one being an ass.


Well fark your opinion too.
2013-04-17 01:16:36 AM  
2 votes:
lets see...it says 21 comments, then I click and the number of comments is only 5. and without checking I already know who was the one being an ass.
2013-04-16 11:23:42 PM  
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Act of a mad man. Even if only .0000001% of 300,000,000 people are this nuts, that still leaves a lot of nuts.


And presumably the percentage is much higher.  The difficulty is not the crazy person, but the competent crazy person who does not blab their plans before hand, and is capable of developing them in the first place.  Arguably, the person capable of doing so isn't really crazy at all.
2013-04-16 11:19:32 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: We are hopelessly reactionary when something like this happens, which only dooms the next one.


The media sure is. I cut that cord. I've just talked to people at work and family about it. None of them are anywhere near the pitch the 24 news cycle masturbates to.

They grab at straws. They conduct the investigation in the open. If there is anything I've learned in this world is that patience is a virtue. I trust the people handling the investigation are flinging rocks over right now and not getting much sleep. I'll wait to hear what they've come up with.

I immediately thought tax day and all that stuff. But, we're not going to really know anything until they tell us.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but this whole rush to find the answer (which I am guilty of too) is just too tiring. None of us are ever 100% right. We just wind up screaming at each other.

I'll wait to hear what they find out. In the meantime, I'll enjoy knowing that there were a lot of people there that day who rushed in to help people. It keeps me from going into the threads and screaming things I'll only apologize for later.

I really hate these attacks, in case that wasn't clear. I can analyze them pretty well after having done it here so many times. Act of a mad man. Even if only .0000001% of 300,000,000 people are this nuts, that still leaves a lot of nuts. I just want them to find who did it and bring them to justice.

Then we'll move onto Kim Kardashian spawning the Satan's child or something equally important.
2013-04-16 11:04:19 PM  
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.


Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.
2013-04-16 10:52:52 PM  
2 votes:
Those pictures make my back hurt!

The one part of the video that stuck with me was those soldiers and some cops ripping that staging/fencing apart so they could gain access to the wounded. I kept yelling at the cameraman to get the f*ck out of the way. heh...

In a horrific time, it is truly calming to see people fling themselves into action to help people they don't even know.
2013-04-16 10:24:37 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


In a lesser sense, I sort of feel ya, but let it go, yo.  People were helping other people and that was nice of them.
2013-04-17 12:32:50 PM  
1 votes:
Mother Jones praising soldiers?

/speechless
2013-04-17 12:24:01 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.


The problem is you hit every one of the points on the DOUCHEBAGS Categorization Index.

Derp
Obfuscation
Unfounded  Claims
Hate
Extremism
Baiting
Argumentative
Guileless  shiatposting.

I may be off, as I am running off of the modified Tokyo Protocols for the DCI.  Please consult the newest diagnostic manual for a confirmation.
2013-04-17 08:02:20 AM  
1 votes:
To add, I am also sick of ultra-nationalism jingoistic fear after tragedies. It got us in to Iraq. I hate that we have to stand at attention like God Bless America is now the national anthem. I hate the patriot act. There are a million things I can complain about.

Being a jackhole to express these opinions to lesson a story about soldiers that walked 26 miles and then aided those in the midst of a terrible tragedy is just goddamn stupid.

It is possible to keep your goddamn trap shut for one single thread without shiatting all over it just to get your political opinion out. And, the fact that you can't understand that and lash out at others because you are totally just expressing your opinion shows you spend too damn much time on this site.

You've also become no better than the actual trolls on this site that you spend hours admonishing for being single-minded and repetitive bullshiat artists. Congrats.
2013-04-17 07:58:45 AM  
1 votes:
As a former member of the Army, I was impressed these guys did a marathon in full ruck. That is no small feat.

I am also impressed that they stepped up and helped. Not everyone can do that and from watching the videos, I saw a lot of people running the other way. I don't criticize those people but I will praise the soilders. hoo rah
2013-04-17 07:46:25 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


Yeah, plus it just so happened that Kenyan won the race.  Hmm, what a coincidence. Did Obama rig this to allow his buddy to win?

I'm not saying you are pants on head retarded, but...
2013-04-17 07:40:24 AM  
1 votes:

tbhouston: Lot of idiots in this thread..would love to see their Facebook, most likely littered with jeebus stuff and dateline reports...lol


there is one very good thing about threads like this... it allows you to update ignore/favorite lists very efficiently.
2013-04-17 07:07:01 AM  
1 votes:
I remember seeing those guys on the initial video and I was wondering if they had some Guard members just volunteering to help out at the finish line and that's why they were there. I was wondering if they allowed ruck marching in the marathon, I suck at long distance running and thought it would be cooler to ruck it instead.

Good on them and everyone who rushed towards danger, even if it was just a simple act of holding someone's hand to comfort them.
2013-04-17 07:00:08 AM  
1 votes:
I'm not really seeing the flag-waving in either the report or the headline. Running towards the scene of a mass casualty event in order to give aid is at the very least brave and admirable, even if not heroic, whether the person concerned is a soldier, Carlos Arredondo, or anyone else.

/not American
2013-04-17 06:52:02 AM  
1 votes:

abhorrent1: Oh look, they helped move a fence. Americas greatest heros!


-3.2/potato

make an effort next time... maybe add some racism or perhaps a political message. this is not Fark worthy.
2013-04-17 06:43:17 AM  
1 votes:
This is a GAT 00 attention gathering tool now?
Mosts posts seem concerned about GAT 00 rather than the article or National Guardsmen.

This is FARK though and the politics attention whores WILL have their way I suppose. Kind of a shame in this instance but GAT00 gotta get his attention or starve I guess
2013-04-17 06:28:05 AM  
1 votes:
GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.
2013-04-17 05:56:36 AM  
1 votes:

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


Seconded. And well put, by the way.
2013-04-17 05:50:41 AM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.
2013-04-17 05:42:58 AM  
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The dust in the room meme has turned into the epicac in the stomach meme for me....
2013-04-17 05:33:30 AM  
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It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist. It probably saved more than a few people's lives and limbs. I've stayed away as much as possible from images, it's just too upsetting for me, but I've heard numerous reports of many, many people running TOWARDS the explosion to help. While many people gathered at a marathon finish line are people apt to be helpers, it doesn't make their actions less heroic.

A shiatty, horrible, vile thing happened. But recognizing the good done within that isn't jingoism, it's the best of who we are. The worst pop up too, within the hour...there were scammers online setting up false charities. And I'm sure within minutes, people using it to push their agendas or politics...whatever they were.

About time we focused more on the good shiat than hyperfocusing on purely the bad. Most people are pretty decent, and it's good to see tangible proof of that in the face of evil.
2013-04-17 05:30:41 AM  
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GAT_00:
What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

The video showed the guy who was handing out flags, he was clearly not born here.
Those people get excused from any excessive nationalism because they're just so damn happy and without any open hostility.
Apart from that I just see people, not Americans.
2013-04-17 05:28:35 AM  
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I was a bit annoyed with all of the coverage and platitudes.  I remember back in 1979, here in San Antonio at our Battle of Flowers parade, (which is a week from this Friday) a sniper killing spectators.   Never got this coverage.  of course this is before the Cable News networks.   Anyway, as I watch more of the coverage, I don't think it means more cynical nationalist coverage, I like the stories of those that stepped-up to help, offered their homes, went downstairs with orange juice and coffee.  What? would you rather hear stories of people coming down and kicking the shiat out of the victims?
2013-04-17 05:27:22 AM  
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Do you know who else had 40-pound packs in Boston that day?
2013-04-17 02:56:17 AM  
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GAT_00: I suppose I should be surprised it took this long for the ad hominen attacks to start for having an unpopular opinion. Can't have that, especially when it comes to blind nationalism.


As long as you are speaking your mind, you should be able to take the heat just fine. You are an idiot to even think you can state an unpopular opinion without the attacks.

"...the true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it. "  Mark Twain.

What I see is people helping each other in time of need. We need reminders that a soldier is trained more than just to kill.  The media should reinforce the idea that helping those in needs is more important than jumping to conclusion to who is did this to us.

I have no problem seeing the best part of our nation being interpreted as patriotism.
2013-04-17 02:39:19 AM  
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GAT_00: I'm incapable of having a genuine emotion involving anyone except myself. I can't stand it when people have to sully a tragedy like this by pointing out the people that helped... it's pointless. Blatent nationalism. Why do I think this is nationalism? Because, I've decided that's what this is and you're all wrong any I'm right and enlightened.

Nothing positive anyone does is helpful in any way. Completely unlike my wandering around randomly whining and making an ass of myself with a big "look at me!!! IM DIFFERENT!!!" sign taped to my shirt,

THAT is how you help people. shiat all over them and act smug and above the entire thing.. as you post on the interwebs website that you like to frequent.

Because god knows they were running short on shiat-poor half-baked opinions from basement neckbeards.

FYP
2013-04-17 12:56:38 AM  
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GAT_00: What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


You're being over-reactive to an the appearance of ultra-nationalism, in my opinion.

But I'm drunk.
2013-04-17 12:52:24 AM  
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gremlin1: It was a blessing that those men were in the right place at the right time, it was a shame that they had to deal with something like this in their own home.


No shat.

Very rarely are people trained for this, and these guys were.

It sucks that these guys had the opportunity to get the experience to shine in this situation, and sucks they had the opportunity to reuse those skills, especially in a place they never should have had to.

Hats off.
2013-04-17 12:17:52 AM  
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GAT_00: I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.


It depends on your point of view.  If one were a jaded cynic, I could totally see how one might think that. I, however, think stories like this do serve as a positive example of human behavior.  An inspiration to future heroes if you will.  It's okay to celebrate and encourage that kind of selflessness in the face of crisis.  We need more of that, not less.
2013-04-16 11:12:09 PM  
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So, it kind of died to a 500.  I got one, but it posted anyway apparently.
2013-04-16 10:58:50 PM  
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GAT_00: MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.

I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


Have you ever considered monastic life?  Honestly.  Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.
2013-04-16 10:51:04 PM  
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GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


I don't think you have to be an ultra-nationalist to see that these guys could have sat down and said "I'm tired", but instead they sucked it up and went above and beyond to help.  And that's a good thing.
2013-04-16 10:13:24 PM  
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It was a blessing that those men were in the right place at the right time, it was a shame that they had to deal with something like this in their own home.
 
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