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(Mother Jones)   These soldiers did the Boston Marathon wearing 40-pound packs. Then they helped save lives. Something, something, dust...eye   (motherjones.com) divider line 149
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2013-04-17 07:45:30 AM  
Wow, a story about people helping others turns into an absolutely terrible thread. Say the words "soldiers" and "helped" and out come the trolls, insulting all Americans as if we worship them and our government. However, as I don't want to feed the trolls, I'll just say something relevant to the ACTUAL article- good for them and everyone else that worked together to help those people. The media can go to hell for all of the conclusions they have jumped to, which is why I haven't watched more than a few minutes of coverage- and I would suggest others do the same. Go outside, talk to people, play with your kids- life is short, so just enjoy living to the fullest. And help others in times of need so that they can, too. In the end, that's all that really matters.
 
2013-04-17 07:46:25 AM  

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


Yeah, plus it just so happened that Kenyan won the race.  Hmm, what a coincidence. Did Obama rig this to allow his buddy to win?

I'm not saying you are pants on head retarded, but...
 
2013-04-17 07:46:57 AM  

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


No, because you're a douchebag.
 
2013-04-17 07:53:23 AM  

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


If you don't like it, perhaps your people should stop watching it?  Your local news departments only show what the people want to see.  Look in the mirror to find the true culprit.
 
2013-04-17 07:57:41 AM  

LL316: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

No, because you're a douchebag.


Winner winner, chicken dinner
 
2013-04-17 07:58:45 AM  
As a former member of the Army, I was impressed these guys did a marathon in full ruck. That is no small feat.

I am also impressed that they stepped up and helped. Not everyone can do that and from watching the videos, I saw a lot of people running the other way. I don't criticize those people but I will praise the soilders. hoo rah
 
2013-04-17 08:01:39 AM  

August11: I am proud of my country. I am proud of those soldiers first at the scene.

But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.

Fold the flag properly and get back to work.


Have to agree with this. Anyone who has ever said "They hate us for our freedom" should be taken out back and shot. There are all sort of intricate reasons and policy decisions and primary and secondary goals and such that lead up to any terror attack. And anyone who simply cries "freedom" as reason is the worst kind of imbecile...one who doesn't ever bother to do a single inkling of research for those reasons.
 
2013-04-17 08:02:20 AM  
To add, I am also sick of ultra-nationalism jingoistic fear after tragedies. It got us in to Iraq. I hate that we have to stand at attention like God Bless America is now the national anthem. I hate the patriot act. There are a million things I can complain about.

Being a jackhole to express these opinions to lesson a story about soldiers that walked 26 miles and then aided those in the midst of a terrible tragedy is just goddamn stupid.

It is possible to keep your goddamn trap shut for one single thread without shiatting all over it just to get your political opinion out. And, the fact that you can't understand that and lash out at others because you are totally just expressing your opinion shows you spend too damn much time on this site.

You've also become no better than the actual trolls on this site that you spend hours admonishing for being single-minded and repetitive bullshiat artists. Congrats.
 
2013-04-17 08:04:59 AM  

snowshovel: August11: I am proud of my country. I am proud of those soldiers first at the scene.

But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.

Fold the flag properly and get back to work.

Have to agree with this. Anyone who has ever said "They hate us for our freedom" should be taken out back and shot. There are all sort of intricate reasons and policy decisions and primary and secondary goals and such that lead up to any terror attack. And anyone who simply cries "freedom" as reason is the worst kind of imbecile...one who doesn't ever bother to do a single inkling of research for those reasons.


And...what do the "They hate us for our freedom" people have to do with this thread?  Nothing.  But, by all means, carry on.  Just be careful stepping down off that soap box.  Wouldn't want you to break a nail.
 
2013-04-17 08:12:54 AM  

Active introvert: As a former member of the Army, I was impressed these guys did a marathon in full ruck. That is no small feat.

I am also impressed that they stepped up and helped. Not everyone can do that and from watching the videos, I saw a lot of people running the other way. I don't criticize those people but I will praise the soilders. hoo rah


Ohhhhh really?
 
2013-04-17 08:33:39 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Active introvert: As a former member of the Army, I was impressed these guys did a marathon in full ruck. That is no small feat.

I am also impressed that they stepped up and helped. Not everyone can do that and from watching the videos, I saw a lot of people running the other way. I don't criticize those people but I will praise the soilders. hoo rah

Ohhhhh really?


Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.
 
2013-04-17 08:45:04 AM  

Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.


Learn the difference between "hooah", "hoorah" and "oorah" please
 
2013-04-17 08:45:30 AM  

Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.


On that note, the article mentions one of the guys is a Lance Corporal, which IIRC is a Marine rank, yet calls him a soldier.

I thought Marines were Marines, Air Force were Airmen, Navy were Seamen, Army were Soldiers.

I've learned this since living in the UK however (from my now former-RAF SO), maybe the US branches are less picky about it?
 
2013-04-17 08:47:22 AM  
*wellthatescalatedquickly.jpg*
 
2013-04-17 08:50:59 AM  

thisone: On that note, the article mentions one of the guys is a Lance Corporal, which IIRC is a Marine rank, yet calls him a soldier.

I thought Marines were Marines, Air Force were Airmen, Navy were Seamen, Army were Soldiers.


You have gotten to the core of the problem.
 
2013-04-17 08:53:25 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.

Learn the difference between "hooah", "hoorah" and "oorah" please


lol I looked up the differences between "hooah" and "hoorah" and it's a split debate. But I see Army -> both, USMC -> hoorah (but the h is silent... so oorah).
 
2013-04-17 08:55:14 AM  
benh999: Don't sweat it. If my brain and dick were small enough to be in the armed forces, I would probably get my rocks off over dead towelheads too.

Well, your brain is certainly small enough to call them "towelheads" so you just might have a shot of joining. I'm sure your penis is just waaaaay too big though and your girlfriend in Canada will vouch for that.
 
2013-04-17 08:57:43 AM  

Genju: lol I looked up the differences between "hooah" and "hoorah" and it's a split debate. But I see Army -> both, USMC -> hoorah (but the h is silent... so oorah).


Ha, I'll go with the Hooah t-shirts at the PX even though I'd say it's debatable too.

Either way, Marines is definitely oorah. From the diaphragm.
 
2013-04-17 09:00:32 AM  

Kuroboom: benh999: Don't sweat it. If my brain and dick were small enough to be in the armed forces, I would probably get my rocks off over dead towelheads too.

Well, your brain is certainly small enough to call them "towelheads" so you just might have a shot of joining. I'm sure your penis is just waaaaay too big though and your girlfriend in Canada will vouch for that.


I the original post was sarcasm.
 
2013-04-17 09:01:23 AM  
*think

/time for caffeine
 
2013-04-17 09:03:17 AM  

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


You don't have to be an ultra nationalist to be a complete farking asshole though, apparently.
 
2013-04-17 09:03:21 AM  

pxlboy: I the original post was sarcasm.


Was it? My mistake then. It can be hard to tell sarcasm from trolling from legitimate stupid in a text format.
 
2013-04-17 09:05:21 AM  

Kuroboom: pxlboy: I the original post was sarcasm.

Was it? My mistake then. It can be hard to tell sarcasm from trolling from legitimate stupid in a text format.


To be fair, my sarcasm detector only works about half the time.
 
2013-04-17 10:05:24 AM  
puffy999: *sends homeless people to your house*

And I accept them. I'll feed them, and help them get on their feet again. (like i've done countless times, without thought) Am I a hero? No! A decent guy? Maybe. Can sympathise with what it's like to be a human being who slips through the gaps in society? YES!

hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Seriously. WWJD?

Who cares what would Jose do. He's selling oranges for a reason, you know!

That's a pretty low blow, you racist piece of crap.

These guys, and lots of others helped in a horrible situation, no doubt about it.

Perspective: They did the right thing. The block-thread frontpage coverage of fark was disproportionate to many, many other atrocities committed worldwide. The American press coverage, even more so.

Is America so morally bankrupt that it desperately has to idolize being a good human being?

If you were there at the time, which direction would you have run in? My personal gut instinct is to go help. I've done so in the past. Am I a hero? Fark off, no!

My Grandfather led his men out of a Japanese torture camp in WW2. He scolded me for calling him a hero when I was a kid. He just saw it as his duty to his fellow man to get them the fark out of there. (he took three ceremonial 'samurai' swords from the commanders he captured, who begged to be beheaded by their own swords, rather than suffer the dishonour of capture - ja, CSB)
 
2013-04-17 11:19:53 AM  

uttertosh: That's a pretty low blow, you racist piece of crap.


It's not my fault that anti-immigrationists force poor Jose to perform demeaning and insulting work to survive in the United States, you poor little flower. Oh, you mean what would Jeremiah do?

amishamerica.com

If it sounds like I've been making fun of you, there might be a reason for that.
 
2013-04-17 11:33:42 AM  
Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.
 
2013-04-17 12:04:43 PM  

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


7/10

not too overstated , will get some bites
 
2013-04-17 12:24:01 PM  

GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.


The problem is you hit every one of the points on the DOUCHEBAGS Categorization Index.

Derp
Obfuscation
Unfounded  Claims
Hate
Extremism
Baiting
Argumentative
Guileless  shiatposting.

I may be off, as I am running off of the modified Tokyo Protocols for the DCI.  Please consult the newest diagnostic manual for a confirmation.
 
2013-04-17 12:26:15 PM  

Tat'dGreaser: Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.

Learn the difference between "hooah", "hoorah" and "oorah" please


don;t forget booyah.
 
2013-04-17 12:32:50 PM  
Mother Jones praising soldiers?

/speechless
 
2013-04-17 01:20:49 PM  

GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.


When you mind is a festering bucket of rancid shiat, you get treated like it.
 
2013-04-17 01:51:29 PM  
Tax Day - 'Boston Tea Party'

hmm.
 
2013-04-17 02:39:01 PM  
 Even if only .0000001% of 300,000,000 people are this nuts, that still leaves a lot of nuts. I just want them to find who did it and bring them to justice.

that would be 0.3 nuts
 
2013-04-17 03:38:41 PM  

GAT_00: Well, I've been farking like one for a while...


I can see why.
 
2013-04-17 03:59:55 PM  
Do not feed the trolls. They thrive on your response to their carefully crafted comments designed to achieve maximum outrage.
 
2013-04-17 04:17:42 PM  

hardinparamedic: If it sounds like I've been making fun of you, there might be a reason for that.


I was trying to appeal to the majority of Americans, in that Jesus prolly wouldn't have liked being called a 'hero' for doing just the same.

If that upsets you, well, sorry. Your comment was still ridiculously racist.
 
2013-04-17 04:29:59 PM  
I wasn't sure about the meaning of patriotism until now, but after reading this thread I have this: You Americans should try and stop being so überly patriots for a change, and maybe the rest of the world will not hate you so much and they will not fly planes in your buildings and will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.
 
2013-04-17 04:34:21 PM  

traylor: I wasn't sure about the meaning of patriotism until now, but after reading this thread I have this: You Americans should try and stop being so überly patriots for a change, and maybe the rest of the world will not hate you so much and they will not fly planes in your buildings and will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.


Favourited: Advocate of humility.
 
2013-04-17 04:43:01 PM  

traylor: will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.


perhaps we'll also learn that the best bomb proof trash can is a clear, lightweight, plastic bag in a basketball rim style holder, rather than spending the money on those giant bomb funnels that they have in the T
 
2013-04-17 04:53:51 PM  

thisone: traylor: will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.

perhaps we'll also learn that the best bomb proof trash can is a clear, lightweight, plastic bag in a basketball rim style holder, rather than spending the money on those giant bomb funnels that they have in the T



That sounds like a surrender to your enemies. Only the French would do that.

/Link
 
2013-04-17 06:35:25 PM  

GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.


Boo hoo. You got ridiculed for saying something stupid in context.

Speaking your mind is not what you got ridiculed for. Speaking something blatantly trolling, offensive, and emotion-baiting that doesn't even apply with the current topic at hand was what you were called out, ridiculed, and taken to task for.

There's something to be said in avoiding nationalism. Celebrating the selfless actions of individuals who had no duty to act, and who did not even need to step up and could have ran away is not one of them.
 
2013-04-17 06:40:46 PM  

traylor: You Americans should try and stop being so überly patriots for a change, and maybe the rest of the world will not hate you so much and they will not fly planes in your buildings and will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.


Yes. It's patriotism that's the problem (ultranationalism, actually. There's a difference, by the way. One can be proud of one's country and not tout superiority of others.)
 And not the foreign policies and actions of the American Government circa the end of the cold war that started it.

traylor: I wasn't sure about the meaning of patriotism until now, but after reading this thread I have this:


You should know all about the dangers of Ultranationalism, considering your country was a supporter of the Nazis During World War II, and a puppet of the Soviets until their fall.

But yes. Lecture us on how the former is just as bad as the later.

uttertosh: Your comment was still ridiculously racist.

www.2shots1beer.com


If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
Even though we all know
That it's wrong,
Maybe it would help us
Get along.
 
2013-04-17 08:19:53 PM  

hardinparamedic: One can be proud of one's country


You know who else was also proud of his country?

OK seriously. You should not be proud of your country, no one should. I am proud of my own achievements. I started off from a poor and stupid family but I managed to bring myself into a normal life. I learned two foreign languages all by myself, and despite I did not have financial support to finish my university education I am more valuable in my profession than most of those who had. There are things I am proud of but none of them are achieved by other people. Why should I take pride in other individuals' success whom I did not help and do not even know personally? Just because they live in a specific direction to me in a specific distance? Because they speak the same language and wave the same flag? Are you proud of all the Americans?

Patriotism and (ultra)nationalism is just herd instinct. Blind, selective herd instinct. Those who are the most proud of their country are people who really have nothing to be proud of as individuals. And yes I know they are bad but not because the history but because the present. I value others based on what they have achieved and not what group they belong to.

/and btw I'm saying it as I have six times more and almost as many reasons to be proud of my country
 
2013-04-17 09:02:39 PM  

Ed Grubermann: GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.

When you mind is a festering bucket of rancid shiat, you get treated like it.


Free speech for all, unless you happen to say things that you don't like.  Then you should be forbidden from expressing those thoughts.
 
2013-04-17 09:56:20 PM  

GAT_00: Free speech for all, unless you happen to say things that you don't like.  Then you should be forbidden from expressing those thoughts.


The First Amendment protects you from Obama coming to your house in the night and black-bagging you for what you say. It does not protect you from ridicule for saying something offensive, unpopular, or blatantly stupid.

traylor: You know who else was also proud of his country?


Bernard Montgomery, Charles De Galle, Zofia_Kossak-Szczucka, Jozef Gabčík and Jan Kubiš? Those are just the names that spring out to me right now.

What's your point? Plenty of people have been proud of his or her country and not gone on to be either ultranationalists, right-winged fascists, or murderers.

traylor: OK seriously. You should not be proud of your country, no one should. I am proud of my own achievements.


That's nice. I frankly don't care. I live in a society of people, not an island of one man. I can be proud of my own achievements, and then be proud that people working in that society have done something for the betterment of humanity.

traylor: I started off from a poor and stupid family but I managed to bring myself into a normal life. I learned two foreign languages all by myself, and despite I did not have financial support to finish my university education I am more valuable in my profession than most of those who had. There are things I am proud of but none of them are achieved by other people. Why should I take pride in other individuals' success whom I did not help and do not even know personally? Just because they live in a specific direction to me in a specific distance? Because they speak the same language and wave the same flag?


Good for you! Your upraising sounds a lot like mine. I'm PRIOUD of you for working yourself with dedication like you did.

I'm still not a nihilistic, narrow-minded person who thinks that my achievements can't be part of a greater good.

traylor: Are you proud of all the Americans?


Are you proud of all Hungarians? When will you stop beating your wife? I'm just asking questions, Sir!

That's a stupid statement, and you should feel bad for appealing to it.

traylor: Patriotism and (ultra)nationalism is just herd instinct. Blind, selective herd instinct. Those who are the most proud of their country are people who really have nothing to be proud of as individuals. And yes I know they are bad but not because the history but because the present. I value others based on what they have achieved and not what group they belong to.


Oh, I see. Anyone who feels pride for one's country is just a sheep, right? They have nothing to be proud of? And they don't value what others have achieved? Really?

That's really impressive. I'm honestly, honest-to-god impressed that you have the psychic ability to deduce that. Or you're talking out of your ass. Completely and totally talking out of your ass. One or the other.

traylor: /and btw I'm saying it as I have six times more and almost as many reasons to be proud of my country


Since you wanted to Godwin the thread by stating that opener, I'll just bring this up and leave it right here.

We've done a lot to be ashamed of, but - yeah - never systematically participated in the extermination of millions of people based on the fact they read the Talmud or were members of a nomadic people.

Really. It's nice you're nihilistic and self-proud and all, and you really can't see the difference between patriotism (which, when rationally applied, is good) and ultra-nationalism (Always Bad), but you really shouldn't be so full of it while calling others out for supposedly doing the same thing.
 
2013-04-17 11:13:06 PM  

hardinparamedic: Really. It's nice you're nihilistic and self-proud and all, and you really can't see the difference between patriotism (which, when rationally applied, is good) and ultra-nationalism (Always Bad), but you really shouldn't be so full of it while calling others out for supposedly doing the same thing.


Maybe you did not understand me, I am not proud of my country. I have no reason to feel pride if I am not part of the success. Same goes for shame: I don't feel any guilt for what happened here before I was even born, why should I? You can stop throwing poop around.
 
2013-04-17 11:48:36 PM  

GAT_00: Ed Grubermann: GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.

When you mind is a festering bucket of rancid shiat, you get treated like it.

Free speech for all, unless you happen to say things that you don't like.  Then you should be forbidden from expressing those thoughts.


You have a right to say whatever you want.

Just as we have a right to point out how stupid you are.
 
2013-04-18 04:21:37 AM  

traylor: Maybe you did not understand me, I am not proud of my country. I have no reason to feel pride if I am not part of the success. Same goes for shame: I don't feel any guilt for what happened here before I was even born, why should I? You can stop throwing poop around.


So basically, you're just biatching to be biatching, pretending to be superior because you hold to a quasi-nihilistic philosophy when called out on your hypocrisy, where you pretend to be the only person that matters in the world, and you ignore the influence of history on the present because it's convenient to think that your actions are the only thing that matter in the grand scheme of things?

You started it. You should be able to take it, you know, since you're so accomplished and all.
 
2013-04-18 05:32:31 AM  

hardinparamedic: You started it. You should be able to take it


Take that, American ubernationalfacistas!

Oh, wait....
 
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