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(Mother Jones)   These soldiers did the Boston Marathon wearing 40-pound packs. Then they helped save lives. Something, something, dust...eye   (motherjones.com) divider line 149
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2013-04-17 06:07:35 AM
Showoff.
 
2013-04-17 06:09:13 AM

Ed Grubermann: GAT_00: I sooppuse-a I shuoold be-a soorpreesed it tuuk thees lung fur zee ed humeenee ettecks tu stert fur hefeeng un unpupooler oopeeniun. Cahn't hefe-a thet, ispeceeelly vhee it cumes tu bleend neshuneleesm.
Bork Bork Bork!


That's weird?  You don't sound like you need a boot to the head?
 
2013-04-17 06:12:46 AM

SweetDickens: Gotta make up for killing innocents abroad somehow........


benh999: Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?


Because every soldier goes overseas and murders children. Boy, I can't even recall how many tiny, innocent Iraqi children I personally slaughtered when I deployed. We'd keep their heads as trophies and I have my favorite one hanging from my rearview mirror now.
 
2013-04-17 06:14:01 AM

ex0h: Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.


North Korea.
 
2013-04-17 06:16:57 AM
I just want to say this- I'm not a flag-waving red, white and blue American.   I don't have and never had a yellow ribbon magnet on my car.   I don't have an American flag lapel pin.  But if you are criticizing people coming to the aid of these victims and the media coverage of that, and if you make comments about drones and the rest of the world.   Get over it. America is not unique in this.  Certainly, citizens of other countries would act in the same fashion. But I think that those on this thread that are saying this is being politicized are actually doing that themselves.
 
2013-04-17 06:17:02 AM
I am proud of my country. I am proud of those soldiers first at the scene.

But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.

Fold the flag properly and get back to work.
 
2013-04-17 06:21:05 AM
God, Americans love bullshiatty empty platitudes at times like this, don't they?

It's so false and egotistical.
 
2013-04-17 06:23:21 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


Feeling raw emotions and helping your fellow man is not disgusting.
 
2013-04-17 06:24:58 AM
Yes, we do.

spamdog: God, Americans love bullshiatty empty platitudes at times like this, don't they?

It's so false and egotistical.


Yes, we do.   That's why you are on an American website and I'm not on an Aussie website.   peace.
 
2013-04-17 06:28:05 AM
GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.
 
2013-04-17 06:30:57 AM

August11: But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.


I hate to break up your soapbox, but I don't see that here.

I see people pointing out that these men did something incredibly hard - they ran 26 miles in a full field load, and then rendered aid to anyone they could when they did not have to do so. They could have just set down and wait for aid like everyone else.

There is no flag waving going on here. No one is claiming we should bomb X country because of 'Murican. No one is claiming this makes us superior to those filthy, dirty Belgians.

Just a celebration of humanity and spirit.
 
2013-04-17 06:31:41 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


translation: herpa derpa derpity doo... I've got some derp made special for you... herpa derpa derpity dee... I'm an idiot can't you see?


/he·ro /ˈhi(ə)rō/ Noun 1. A person, typically a man, who is admired for courage or noble qualities.
 
2013-04-17 06:33:56 AM

Legio Minervia: GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.


Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)
 
2013-04-17 06:34:20 AM

Kuroboom: SweetDickens: Gotta make up for killing innocents abroad somehow........

benh999: Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?

Because every soldier goes overseas and murders children. Boy, I can't even recall how many tiny, innocent Iraqi children I personally slaughtered when I deployed. We'd keep their heads as trophies and I have my favorite one hanging from my rearview mirror now.


Don't sweat it. If my brain and dick were small enough to be in the armed forces, I would probably get my rocks off over dead towelheads too.
 
2013-04-17 06:34:51 AM

GAT_00: MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.

I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


yeah... never wave a flag, never call a hero a hero...

3.bp.blogspot.com
/just doing their jobs right?
 
2013-04-17 06:37:25 AM

Public Savant: Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)


How carefully the derp is woven into prose, attempting to pass for wisdom.

You're an idiot.
 
2013-04-17 06:37:46 AM

Public Savant: Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.


Or he's not, and he simply chose to make an offensive point to get a rise out of people, and then double down.

HindiDiscoMonster: /just doing their jobs right


TECHNICALLY.......
 
2013-04-17 06:38:19 AM
HindiDiscoMonster:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 485x323]
/just doing their jobs right?


I'm sorry that you don't want to hear it.

But yes. They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal. You're trivialising the word by insisting that various emergency services and all soldiers are heroic. It's a total fallacy.
 
2013-04-17 06:39:59 AM

ex0h: HindiDiscoMonster:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 485x323]
/just doing their jobs right?

I'm sorry that you don't want to hear it.

But yes. They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal. You're trivialising the word by insisting that various emergency services and all soldiers are heroic. It's a total fallacy.


ummm... maybe you better look at that picture closer... that's not from Boston, nor is it within the last decade.
 
2013-04-17 06:40:40 AM

hardinparamedic: Public Savant: Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

Or he's not, and he simply chose to make an offensive point to get a rise out of people, and then double down.

HindiDiscoMonster: /just doing their jobs right

TECHNICALLY.......


shhh... I'm making a point here :P
 
2013-04-17 06:41:45 AM

ex0h: They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal.


Technically, you're right.

In practice, however, you're completely wrong. In his example, he used the FDNY during 9/11 as an example of heroism. While yes, their jobs include coming to the rescue of those involved in fire or building oollapse, the heroism comes into the fact that 343 people gave their lives in the tower trying to evacuate civilians beyond the point it had become acceptably dangerous (another topic for another time). When things turned into an all-out disaster, they refused to back down and allow mutual aid to take over, working themselves to exhaustion and injury to try to save lives, which is NOT part of their job.

The later is what made them heroes, not the fact they showed up.
 
2013-04-17 06:42:02 AM

Public Savant: Legio Minervia: GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.

Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)


Sharing a minority opinion doesn't give you the high moral ground by virtue.  Your opinion is bad, and you should feel bad.
 
2013-04-17 06:43:17 AM
This is a GAT 00 attention gathering tool now?
Mosts posts seem concerned about GAT 00 rather than the article or National Guardsmen.

This is FARK though and the politics attention whores WILL have their way I suppose. Kind of a shame in this instance but GAT00 gotta get his attention or starve I guess
 
2013-04-17 06:43:21 AM

hardinparamedic: ex0h: They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal.

Technically, you're right.

In practice, however, you're completely wrong. In his example, he used the FDNY during 9/11 as an example of heroism. While yes, their jobs include coming to the rescue of those involved in fire or building oollapse, the heroism comes into the fact that 343 people gave their lives in the tower trying to evacuate civilians beyond the point it had become acceptably dangerous (another topic for another time). When things turned into an all-out disaster, they refused to back down and allow mutual aid to take over, working themselves to exhaustion and injury to try to save lives, which is NOT part of their job.

The later is what made them heroes, not the fact they showed up.


this is why I have you favorited... you are one of the more intelligent posters here.
 
2013-04-17 06:43:27 AM

GAT_00: I'm very aware of the source. And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose. A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person. They simply are. The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars. It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag. I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow. And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


I'm really glad someone else feels like this.

It shouldn't take a domestic (?) terror attack for people to help other people out. It's called being a compassionate human being. It is NOT farking heroism.

Rolling out the 'hero' tag for every person just being a compassionate human being, devalues the term Hero. It also makes me weep for American society that everyone else brands HERO across what should be absolute normalcy in society.

Soldiers helping injured parties after explosion? That's not heroism, that's TRAINING.

Anyone calling it heroism needs to check their morality. Seriously. WWJD?
 
2013-04-17 06:44:03 AM

ex0h: HindiDiscoMonster:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 485x323]
/just doing their jobs right?

I'm sorry that you don't want to hear it.

But yes. They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal. You're trivialising the word by insisting that various emergency services and all soldiers are heroic. It's a total fallacy.


Of course there is the silver lining here

we can all use this thread to update our ignore lists.

but bravery does not a hero equal

check out this guy
Yeah, ok Aristotle, thanks for the faux enlightenment. I hope I didn't trivialize it too much.
 
2013-04-17 06:44:16 AM
damn thread has got me wondering what exactly IS bravery?

I don't know where it comes from, and a simple gs isn't helping, but there's a quote that goes something like:
I'm no[t] brave[hero], I'm just too stupid to be scared.

I'm wondering if bravery comes down to knowing the danger you are putting yourself in, and doing it anyway.

Emergency services, the military, these people are trained to be brave, perhaps.
 
2013-04-17 06:48:48 AM

uttertosh: GAT_00: I'm very aware of the source. And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose. A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person. They simply are. The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars. It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag. I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow. And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.

I'm really glad someone else feels like this.

It shouldn't take a domestic (?) terror attack for people to help other people out. It's called being a compassionate human being. It is NOT farking heroism.

Rolling out the 'hero' tag for every person just being a compassionate human being, devalues the term Hero. It also makes me weep for American society that everyone else brands HERO across what should be absolute normalcy in society.

Soldiers helping injured parties after explosion? That's not heroism, that's TRAINING.

Anyone calling it heroism needs to check their morality. Seriously. WWJD?


i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-17 06:49:55 AM

uttertosh: Seriously. WWJD?


Who cares what would Jose do. He's selling oranges for a reason, you know!
 
2013-04-17 06:50:51 AM
Oh look, they helped move a fence. Americas greatest heros!
 
2013-04-17 06:52:02 AM

abhorrent1: Oh look, they helped move a fence. Americas greatest heros!


-3.2/potato

make an effort next time... maybe add some racism or perhaps a political message. this is not Fark worthy.
 
2013-04-17 06:54:37 AM

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


How is recognizing people that helped others ultra nationalist? Maybe we go too far in wallowing in grief after terror attacks but this is not that.
 
2013-04-17 06:55:15 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


In my head, there is an extremely long set of paragraphs outlining exactly why you are wrong. How the reaction now is very, very different than it was a decade ago - how there are (of course) people ready and willing to jump to a convenient conclusion, and lash out at their 'enemies', but there are far more who are getting on with life and waiting for the investigation process to complete. I don't know what *you* see, but "blind patriotism" doesn't seem to be what *I* see.

But I doubt it matters - you've pretty conclusively demonstrated your feelings on the matter, and nothing I or anyone else has to say is going to change it.

I would point out one thing, however - at the end of the day, the ladies and gentlemen who were willing to help out had a positive impact on a fairly negative event. That may not meet your criteria for "heroes", but they certainly don't deserve your ire for being willing to step up.

Dislike the media's portrayal of events? No one - not a single person on the planet - is forcing you to tune in. If it's bothering you that much, go look at pictures of kittens.
 
2013-04-17 06:55:58 AM

mikaloyd: This is a GAT 00 attention gathering tool now?
Mosts posts seem concerned about GAT 00 rather than the article or National Guardsmen.

This is FARK though and the politics attention whores WILL have their way I suppose. Kind of a shame in this instance but GAT00 gotta get his attention or starve I guess


Got any chaaaaange?
 
2013-04-17 06:59:07 AM

puffy999: mikaloyd: This is a GAT 00 attention gathering tool now?
Mosts posts seem concerned about GAT 00 rather than the article or National Guardsmen.

This is FARK though and the politics attention whores WILL have their way I suppose. Kind of a shame in this instance but GAT00 gotta get his attention or starve I guess

Got any chaaaaange?


maybe
 
2013-04-17 07:00:08 AM
I'm not really seeing the flag-waving in either the report or the headline. Running towards the scene of a mass casualty event in order to give aid is at the very least brave and admirable, even if not heroic, whether the person concerned is a soldier, Carlos Arredondo, or anyone else.

/not American
 
2013-04-17 07:00:58 AM
*sends homeless people to your house*
 
2013-04-17 07:01:40 AM

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


It's good to know that Americans do not have a monopoly on gross over simplification, making up facts, and hypocrisy.
 
2013-04-17 07:07:01 AM
I remember seeing those guys on the initial video and I was wondering if they had some Guard members just volunteering to help out at the finish line and that's why they were there. I was wondering if they allowed ruck marching in the marathon, I suck at long distance running and thought it would be cooler to ruck it instead.

Good on them and everyone who rushed towards danger, even if it was just a simple act of holding someone's hand to comfort them.
 
2013-04-17 07:13:14 AM

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.

Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.


I agree with you about meaningless platitudes but this story was about the soldiers. I didn't know why they were there or who they were. All the publicity about the heroic Mr. Arredondo makes me nervous.
 
2013-04-17 07:13:40 AM
If everyone acted as the protagonists in this story did as a first at the first sign of every trauma and catastrophe, there'd be no need for the existence of the word "hero".
But not everyone does (not by a damn sight).

These actions (and many more besides) yesterday definitely meet my own personal definition of "heroic".

God damn it.

I thought I'd cried myself out of tears yesterday.

How wrong I am.
 
2013-04-17 07:15:25 AM
...as a first, instinctive response at the first sign...


/haven't had my first coffee yet.
 
2013-04-17 07:22:19 AM

Madame Ovary: GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.

Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.

I agree with you about meaningless platitudes but this story was about the soldiers. I didn't know why they were there or who they were. All the publicity about the heroic Mr. Arredondo makes me nervous.


Eh, I don't see why when you think about it. Despite the immigration controversy Americans have always loved a good story about an immigrant that comes here and does something good for the country.  This is not an unusual or sinister narrative.
 
2013-04-17 07:22:19 AM

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?



No because you're a troll without a soul.
 
2013-04-17 07:23:30 AM
GAT_00, seriously. STFU. This is not the time or place for this.
 
2013-04-17 07:32:29 AM

Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.


A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...
 
2013-04-17 07:37:23 AM

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


Oh, blow it out your ass.
 
2013-04-17 07:37:47 AM

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


images.sodahead.com
/you know it had to be done.
 
2013-04-17 07:38:49 AM
Lot of idiots in this thread..would love to see their Facebook, most likely littered with jeebus stuff and dateline reports...lol
 
2013-04-17 07:40:24 AM

tbhouston: Lot of idiots in this thread..would love to see their Facebook, most likely littered with jeebus stuff and dateline reports...lol


there is one very good thing about threads like this... it allows you to update ignore/favorite lists very efficiently.
 
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