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(Mother Jones)   These soldiers did the Boston Marathon wearing 40-pound packs. Then they helped save lives. Something, something, dust...eye   (motherjones.com) divider line 149
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2013-04-16 09:43:03 PM
I can't handle watching video of stuff like that much lately, but that was a very good article. Thanks, smits.
 
2013-04-16 09:48:34 PM
Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.
 
2013-04-16 10:06:26 PM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


You, sir, are disgusting.
 
2013-04-16 10:13:24 PM
It was a blessing that those men were in the right place at the right time, it was a shame that they had to deal with something like this in their own home.
 
2013-04-16 10:24:37 PM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


In a lesser sense, I sort of feel ya, but let it go, yo.  People were helping other people and that was nice of them.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:08 PM

jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.


What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?
 
2013-04-16 10:41:32 PM

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.
 
2013-04-16 10:49:20 PM
Some people are just patently miserable human beings. Here we have an uplifting story, and someone has to shiat all over it.
 
2013-04-16 10:51:04 PM

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


I don't think you have to be an ultra-nationalist to see that these guys could have sat down and said "I'm tired", but instead they sucked it up and went above and beyond to help.  And that's a good thing.
 
2013-04-16 10:52:52 PM
Those pictures make my back hurt!

The one part of the video that stuck with me was those soldiers and some cops ripping that staging/fencing apart so they could gain access to the wounded. I kept yelling at the cameraman to get the f*ck out of the way. heh...

In a horrific time, it is truly calming to see people fling themselves into action to help people they don't even know.
 
2013-04-16 10:55:50 PM

MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.


I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.
 
2013-04-16 10:58:50 PM

GAT_00: MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.

I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


Have you ever considered monastic life?  Honestly.  Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.
 
2013-04-16 11:04:14 PM

GAT_00: And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


That's all we really have at the end of the day. We'll have another one of these events again. Of course we will. They don't define us. What defines us is how we respond as human beings. Watching those civilians, soldiers, cops, doctors swarm to the wounded when everyone there, after hearing two explosions could not be sure there were more? They were all heroes. Every single person who ran to help a fallen human at their time of need. To take off their belts, shoelaces, shirts and use them to staunch the bleeding or to form tourniquets. To speak to them and assure them that they were not going to leave their side, help was on the way.

It was just another horrific event that gave the human race a chance to show why they still have any redeeming qualities left. They helped their fellow humans and disregarded their own safety to do so.

You can call it something else, but the clearest word is hero... Someone you hope you will be in the same situation and someone you hope you are raising your children to be.
 
2013-04-16 11:04:19 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.


Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.
 
2013-04-16 11:08:40 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.


Goddammit, I had a good post written up to this and it died to a 500 error.

First, I might as well be one, since I've been farking like one for a while....

But really, it's that things like this are really the first step to commercializing tragedies.  It'll happen.  Just watch for how much Remembrance shiat is out for next year's race.  A nice profit off a tragedy.

Meaningless platitudes really get us nowhere.  We learn, we adapt, we move on.  But if we are going to go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, so I was responding with this yesterday on FB.

NewportBarGuy: They don't define us.


Oh, but they do.  We'll look at how people reacted, and commercialize it.  We'll look at how we could have prevented it and make laws for it.  We are hopelessly reactionary when something like this happens, which only dooms the next one.  The positives only end up as someone's product.
 
2013-04-16 11:12:09 PM
So, it kind of died to a 500.  I got one, but it posted anyway apparently.
 
2013-04-16 11:19:32 PM

GAT_00: We are hopelessly reactionary when something like this happens, which only dooms the next one.


The media sure is. I cut that cord. I've just talked to people at work and family about it. None of them are anywhere near the pitch the 24 news cycle masturbates to.

They grab at straws. They conduct the investigation in the open. If there is anything I've learned in this world is that patience is a virtue. I trust the people handling the investigation are flinging rocks over right now and not getting much sleep. I'll wait to hear what they've come up with.

I immediately thought tax day and all that stuff. But, we're not going to really know anything until they tell us.

Maybe I'm just getting older, but this whole rush to find the answer (which I am guilty of too) is just too tiring. None of us are ever 100% right. We just wind up screaming at each other.

I'll wait to hear what they find out. In the meantime, I'll enjoy knowing that there were a lot of people there that day who rushed in to help people. It keeps me from going into the threads and screaming things I'll only apologize for later.

I really hate these attacks, in case that wasn't clear. I can analyze them pretty well after having done it here so many times. Act of a mad man. Even if only .0000001% of 300,000,000 people are this nuts, that still leaves a lot of nuts. I just want them to find who did it and bring them to justice.

Then we'll move onto Kim Kardashian spawning the Satan's child or something equally important.
 
2013-04-16 11:23:42 PM

NewportBarGuy: Act of a mad man. Even if only .0000001% of 300,000,000 people are this nuts, that still leaves a lot of nuts.


And presumably the percentage is much higher.  The difficulty is not the crazy person, but the competent crazy person who does not blab their plans before hand, and is capable of developing them in the first place.  Arguably, the person capable of doing so isn't really crazy at all.
 
2013-04-17 12:17:52 AM

GAT_00: I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.


It depends on your point of view.  If one were a jaded cynic, I could totally see how one might think that. I, however, think stories like this do serve as a positive example of human behavior.  An inspiration to future heroes if you will.  It's okay to celebrate and encourage that kind of selflessness in the face of crisis.  We need more of that, not less.
 
2013-04-17 12:52:24 AM

gremlin1: It was a blessing that those men were in the right place at the right time, it was a shame that they had to deal with something like this in their own home.


No shat.

Very rarely are people trained for this, and these guys were.

It sucks that these guys had the opportunity to get the experience to shine in this situation, and sucks they had the opportunity to reuse those skills, especially in a place they never should have had to.

Hats off.
 
2013-04-17 12:56:38 AM

GAT_00: What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


You're being over-reactive to an the appearance of ultra-nationalism, in my opinion.

But I'm drunk.
 
2013-04-17 01:16:36 AM
lets see...it says 21 comments, then I click and the number of comments is only 5. and without checking I already know who was the one being an ass.
 
2013-04-17 01:28:56 AM

log_jammin: lets see...it says 21 comments, then I click and the number of comments is only 5. and without checking I already know who was the one being an ass.


Well fark your opinion too.
 
2013-04-17 01:31:20 AM
I suppose I should be surprised it took this long for the ad hominen attacks to start for having an unpopular opinion. Can't have that, especially when it comes to blind nationalism.
 
2013-04-17 02:06:18 AM

GAT_00: having an unpopular opinion


Trolling is not the same as having an unpopular opinion. You're doing the Fred Phelps thing and being deliberately offensive for yuks and the whole website knows it already.

If these soldiers hadn't been able to help and many people died, you'd be praising the bomber for a high score or some other bullshiat opinion just to be an asshole.
 
2013-04-17 02:39:19 AM

GAT_00: I'm incapable of having a genuine emotion involving anyone except myself. I can't stand it when people have to sully a tragedy like this by pointing out the people that helped... it's pointless. Blatent nationalism. Why do I think this is nationalism? Because, I've decided that's what this is and you're all wrong any I'm right and enlightened.

Nothing positive anyone does is helpful in any way. Completely unlike my wandering around randomly whining and making an ass of myself with a big "look at me!!! IM DIFFERENT!!!" sign taped to my shirt,

THAT is how you help people. shiat all over them and act smug and above the entire thing.. as you post on the interwebs website that you like to frequent.

Because god knows they were running short on shiat-poor half-baked opinions from basement neckbeards.

FYP
 
2013-04-17 02:56:17 AM

GAT_00: I suppose I should be surprised it took this long for the ad hominen attacks to start for having an unpopular opinion. Can't have that, especially when it comes to blind nationalism.


As long as you are speaking your mind, you should be able to take the heat just fine. You are an idiot to even think you can state an unpopular opinion without the attacks.

"...the true patriotism, the only rational patriotism, is loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it. "  Mark Twain.

What I see is people helping each other in time of need. We need reminders that a soldier is trained more than just to kill.  The media should reinforce the idea that helping those in needs is more important than jumping to conclusion to who is did this to us.

I have no problem seeing the best part of our nation being interpreted as patriotism.
 
2013-04-17 03:30:32 AM

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.

Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.


Well I've had my fill of the star spangled banter, the last decade was enough. But I'm happy to thank the people who helped, in uniform or not. There were some really fortunate occurrences and circumstances that have kept the death tole as low as it is. And that's just something small to smile at in all this.

I won't be buying a commemorative coin that will be minted from silver that was hidden in a vault just below the finish line.

But I'm really thankful for those who helped, and I know you are too.
 
2013-04-17 05:18:53 AM
Wait... Three bombs
Believed to be put into packs
3 soldiers with packs
The US Army did it!!!!
 
2013-04-17 05:26:07 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


What have you done lately at the complete indiscretion for your own safety and life to help rescue and save someone elses?

Yeah.. I'm gonna go with nothing so stfu.
 
2013-04-17 05:27:22 AM
Do you know who else had 40-pound packs in Boston that day?
 
2013-04-17 05:28:35 AM
I was a bit annoyed with all of the coverage and platitudes.  I remember back in 1979, here in San Antonio at our Battle of Flowers parade, (which is a week from this Friday) a sniper killing spectators.   Never got this coverage.  of course this is before the Cable News networks.   Anyway, as I watch more of the coverage, I don't think it means more cynical nationalist coverage, I like the stories of those that stepped-up to help, offered their homes, went downstairs with orange juice and coffee.  What? would you rather hear stories of people coming down and kicking the shiat out of the victims?
 
2013-04-17 05:29:21 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


GFY
 
2013-04-17 05:30:41 AM
GAT_00:
What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

The video showed the guy who was handing out flags, he was clearly not born here.
Those people get excused from any excessive nationalism because they're just so damn happy and without any open hostility.
Apart from that I just see people, not Americans.
 
2013-04-17 05:31:54 AM
Gotta make up for killing innocents abroad somehow........
 
2013-04-17 05:33:30 AM
It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist. It probably saved more than a few people's lives and limbs. I've stayed away as much as possible from images, it's just too upsetting for me, but I've heard numerous reports of many, many people running TOWARDS the explosion to help. While many people gathered at a marathon finish line are people apt to be helpers, it doesn't make their actions less heroic.

A shiatty, horrible, vile thing happened. But recognizing the good done within that isn't jingoism, it's the best of who we are. The worst pop up too, within the hour...there were scammers online setting up false charities. And I'm sure within minutes, people using it to push their agendas or politics...whatever they were.

About time we focused more on the good shiat than hyperfocusing on purely the bad. Most people are pretty decent, and it's good to see tangible proof of that in the face of evil.
 
2013-04-17 05:33:38 AM
GAT..yer a dick STFU
 
2013-04-17 05:34:39 AM
Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?
 
2013-04-17 05:41:44 AM

GAT_00: MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.

I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


This isn't really a 'Murica, fark yeah we're heroes! but more like, wow these people did some pretty impressive shiat under the most chaotic of circumstances. I don't think anyone is beating a war drum and bleeding red, white and blue. It's a human triumph piece, not a nationalist one.
 
2013-04-17 05:42:58 AM
The dust in the room meme has turned into the epicac in the stomach meme for me....
 
2013-04-17 05:43:50 AM
HMMM..  information fatigue... from people on fark.. no kidding....
...get some rest, be thankful it's quiet
 
2013-04-17 05:50:14 AM

benh999: Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?


not you
 
2013-04-17 05:50:41 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.
 
2013-04-17 05:55:22 AM

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


And yet, one of the big debates in the US congress right now is immigration reform, because everybody is trying to leave America.  Oh wait, that's where you live. nevermind.
 
2013-04-17 05:56:36 AM

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


Seconded. And well put, by the way.
 
2013-04-17 05:56:54 AM
To everyone who helped out at the marathon:

Thank you, sincerely.
 
2013-04-17 05:56:55 AM

GAT_00: I sooppuse-a I shuoold be-a soorpreesed it tuuk thees lung fur zee ed humeenee ettecks tu stert fur hefeeng un unpupooler oopeeniun. Cahn't hefe-a thet, ispeceeelly vhee it cumes tu bleend neshuneleesm.
Bork Bork Bork!

 
2013-04-17 06:00:31 AM

Ambivalence: It depends on your point of view.  If one were a jaded cynic, I could totally see how one might think that. I, however, think stories like this do serve as a positive example of human behavior.  An inspiration to future heroes if you will.  It's okay to celebrate and encourage that kind of selflessness in the face of crisis.  We need more of that, not less.


Conscience is an expression of the ego.  That one knows what is right and is determined to do it.

/Objectivist
 
2013-04-17 06:02:33 AM
For every sicko, there's always more good guys.
 
2013-04-17 06:04:51 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


It's amazing how every day you say something that makes me lose more and more respect for you.
 
2013-04-17 06:07:35 AM
Showoff.
 
2013-04-17 06:09:13 AM

Ed Grubermann: GAT_00: I sooppuse-a I shuoold be-a soorpreesed it tuuk thees lung fur zee ed humeenee ettecks tu stert fur hefeeng un unpupooler oopeeniun. Cahn't hefe-a thet, ispeceeelly vhee it cumes tu bleend neshuneleesm.
Bork Bork Bork!


That's weird?  You don't sound like you need a boot to the head?
 
2013-04-17 06:12:46 AM

SweetDickens: Gotta make up for killing innocents abroad somehow........


benh999: Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?


Because every soldier goes overseas and murders children. Boy, I can't even recall how many tiny, innocent Iraqi children I personally slaughtered when I deployed. We'd keep their heads as trophies and I have my favorite one hanging from my rearview mirror now.
 
2013-04-17 06:14:01 AM

ex0h: Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.


North Korea.
 
2013-04-17 06:16:57 AM
I just want to say this- I'm not a flag-waving red, white and blue American.   I don't have and never had a yellow ribbon magnet on my car.   I don't have an American flag lapel pin.  But if you are criticizing people coming to the aid of these victims and the media coverage of that, and if you make comments about drones and the rest of the world.   Get over it. America is not unique in this.  Certainly, citizens of other countries would act in the same fashion. But I think that those on this thread that are saying this is being politicized are actually doing that themselves.
 
2013-04-17 06:17:02 AM
I am proud of my country. I am proud of those soldiers first at the scene.

But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.

Fold the flag properly and get back to work.
 
2013-04-17 06:21:05 AM
God, Americans love bullshiatty empty platitudes at times like this, don't they?

It's so false and egotistical.
 
2013-04-17 06:23:21 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


Feeling raw emotions and helping your fellow man is not disgusting.
 
2013-04-17 06:24:58 AM
Yes, we do.

spamdog: God, Americans love bullshiatty empty platitudes at times like this, don't they?

It's so false and egotistical.


Yes, we do.   That's why you are on an American website and I'm not on an Aussie website.   peace.
 
2013-04-17 06:28:05 AM
GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.
 
2013-04-17 06:30:57 AM

August11: But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.


I hate to break up your soapbox, but I don't see that here.

I see people pointing out that these men did something incredibly hard - they ran 26 miles in a full field load, and then rendered aid to anyone they could when they did not have to do so. They could have just set down and wait for aid like everyone else.

There is no flag waving going on here. No one is claiming we should bomb X country because of 'Murican. No one is claiming this makes us superior to those filthy, dirty Belgians.

Just a celebration of humanity and spirit.
 
2013-04-17 06:31:41 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


translation: herpa derpa derpity doo... I've got some derp made special for you... herpa derpa derpity dee... I'm an idiot can't you see?


/he·ro /ˈhi(ə)rō/ Noun 1. A person, typically a man, who is admired for courage or noble qualities.
 
2013-04-17 06:33:56 AM

Legio Minervia: GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.


Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)
 
2013-04-17 06:34:20 AM

Kuroboom: SweetDickens: Gotta make up for killing innocents abroad somehow........

benh999: Who ran a marathon for the children they slaughtered overseas?

Because every soldier goes overseas and murders children. Boy, I can't even recall how many tiny, innocent Iraqi children I personally slaughtered when I deployed. We'd keep their heads as trophies and I have my favorite one hanging from my rearview mirror now.


Don't sweat it. If my brain and dick were small enough to be in the armed forces, I would probably get my rocks off over dead towelheads too.
 
2013-04-17 06:34:51 AM

GAT_00: MisterTweak: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

May I suggest tonight's off-menu special, the pan-friend jumbo bag of d*cks?

Story is from Mother Jones, not exactly the bastion of far-right god-and-country conservatism, ya know. And has very little to do with military, and a lot to do with one father's very personal losses.

I'm very aware of the source.  And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose.  A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person.  They simply are.  The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars.  It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag.  I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow.  And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


yeah... never wave a flag, never call a hero a hero...

3.bp.blogspot.com
/just doing their jobs right?
 
2013-04-17 06:37:25 AM

Public Savant: Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)


How carefully the derp is woven into prose, attempting to pass for wisdom.

You're an idiot.
 
2013-04-17 06:37:46 AM

Public Savant: Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.


Or he's not, and he simply chose to make an offensive point to get a rise out of people, and then double down.

HindiDiscoMonster: /just doing their jobs right


TECHNICALLY.......
 
2013-04-17 06:38:19 AM
HindiDiscoMonster:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 485x323]
/just doing their jobs right?


I'm sorry that you don't want to hear it.

But yes. They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal. You're trivialising the word by insisting that various emergency services and all soldiers are heroic. It's a total fallacy.
 
2013-04-17 06:39:59 AM

ex0h: HindiDiscoMonster:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 485x323]
/just doing their jobs right?

I'm sorry that you don't want to hear it.

But yes. They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal. You're trivialising the word by insisting that various emergency services and all soldiers are heroic. It's a total fallacy.


ummm... maybe you better look at that picture closer... that's not from Boston, nor is it within the last decade.
 
2013-04-17 06:40:40 AM

hardinparamedic: Public Savant: Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

Or he's not, and he simply chose to make an offensive point to get a rise out of people, and then double down.

HindiDiscoMonster: /just doing their jobs right

TECHNICALLY.......


shhh... I'm making a point here :P
 
2013-04-17 06:41:45 AM

ex0h: They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal.


Technically, you're right.

In practice, however, you're completely wrong. In his example, he used the FDNY during 9/11 as an example of heroism. While yes, their jobs include coming to the rescue of those involved in fire or building oollapse, the heroism comes into the fact that 343 people gave their lives in the tower trying to evacuate civilians beyond the point it had become acceptably dangerous (another topic for another time). When things turned into an all-out disaster, they refused to back down and allow mutual aid to take over, working themselves to exhaustion and injury to try to save lives, which is NOT part of their job.

The later is what made them heroes, not the fact they showed up.
 
2013-04-17 06:42:02 AM

Public Savant: Legio Minervia: GAT_00

Your behavior in this thread isn't that much different from the very same behavior you rail against when it comes from the right-wing trolls on this site.  There are a lot of arguments to be made against ultra-nationalism, but this argument is wrong and just makes you look like an asshole.

Or he is simply right and a lot of people don't want to realize it.
Truth isn't whatever a majority decides that it is.

/Leave that decision to the select few historians with a job (they are probably working for the majority)


Sharing a minority opinion doesn't give you the high moral ground by virtue.  Your opinion is bad, and you should feel bad.
 
2013-04-17 06:43:17 AM
This is a GAT 00 attention gathering tool now?
Mosts posts seem concerned about GAT 00 rather than the article or National Guardsmen.

This is FARK though and the politics attention whores WILL have their way I suppose. Kind of a shame in this instance but GAT00 gotta get his attention or starve I guess
 
2013-04-17 06:43:21 AM

hardinparamedic: ex0h: They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal.

Technically, you're right.

In practice, however, you're completely wrong. In his example, he used the FDNY during 9/11 as an example of heroism. While yes, their jobs include coming to the rescue of those involved in fire or building oollapse, the heroism comes into the fact that 343 people gave their lives in the tower trying to evacuate civilians beyond the point it had become acceptably dangerous (another topic for another time). When things turned into an all-out disaster, they refused to back down and allow mutual aid to take over, working themselves to exhaustion and injury to try to save lives, which is NOT part of their job.

The later is what made them heroes, not the fact they showed up.


this is why I have you favorited... you are one of the more intelligent posters here.
 
2013-04-17 06:43:27 AM

GAT_00: I'm very aware of the source. And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose. A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person. They simply are. The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars. It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag. I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow. And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.


I'm really glad someone else feels like this.

It shouldn't take a domestic (?) terror attack for people to help other people out. It's called being a compassionate human being. It is NOT farking heroism.

Rolling out the 'hero' tag for every person just being a compassionate human being, devalues the term Hero. It also makes me weep for American society that everyone else brands HERO across what should be absolute normalcy in society.

Soldiers helping injured parties after explosion? That's not heroism, that's TRAINING.

Anyone calling it heroism needs to check their morality. Seriously. WWJD?
 
2013-04-17 06:44:03 AM

ex0h: HindiDiscoMonster:

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 485x323]
/just doing their jobs right?

I'm sorry that you don't want to hear it.

But yes. They are just doing their jobs. It requires bravery, but bravery does not a hero equal. You're trivialising the word by insisting that various emergency services and all soldiers are heroic. It's a total fallacy.


Of course there is the silver lining here

we can all use this thread to update our ignore lists.

but bravery does not a hero equal

check out this guy
Yeah, ok Aristotle, thanks for the faux enlightenment. I hope I didn't trivialize it too much.
 
2013-04-17 06:44:16 AM
damn thread has got me wondering what exactly IS bravery?

I don't know where it comes from, and a simple gs isn't helping, but there's a quote that goes something like:
I'm no[t] brave[hero], I'm just too stupid to be scared.

I'm wondering if bravery comes down to knowing the danger you are putting yourself in, and doing it anyway.

Emergency services, the military, these people are trained to be brave, perhaps.
 
2013-04-17 06:48:48 AM

uttertosh: GAT_00: I'm very aware of the source. And making people into heroes defeats the entire purpose. A hero is not supposed to be written up as some totally farking awesome person. They simply are. The very act of glorifying them reduces them to nothing more than an ad piece to show how awesome you are instead.

On top of that, nationalism gets you nowhere except restrictions and wars. It's how you lose.

So, no, I will not wave the flag. I will not glorify people for the glory makes it utterly hollow. And I will not go looking for some worthless silver lining in a disaster simply because we like a feel-good story.

I'm really glad someone else feels like this.

It shouldn't take a domestic (?) terror attack for people to help other people out. It's called being a compassionate human being. It is NOT farking heroism.

Rolling out the 'hero' tag for every person just being a compassionate human being, devalues the term Hero. It also makes me weep for American society that everyone else brands HERO across what should be absolute normalcy in society.

Soldiers helping injured parties after explosion? That's not heroism, that's TRAINING.

Anyone calling it heroism needs to check their morality. Seriously. WWJD?


i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-17 06:49:55 AM

uttertosh: Seriously. WWJD?


Who cares what would Jose do. He's selling oranges for a reason, you know!
 
2013-04-17 06:50:51 AM
Oh look, they helped move a fence. Americas greatest heros!
 
2013-04-17 06:52:02 AM

abhorrent1: Oh look, they helped move a fence. Americas greatest heros!


-3.2/potato

make an effort next time... maybe add some racism or perhaps a political message. this is not Fark worthy.
 
2013-04-17 06:54:37 AM

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


How is recognizing people that helped others ultra nationalist? Maybe we go too far in wallowing in grief after terror attacks but this is not that.
 
2013-04-17 06:55:15 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


In my head, there is an extremely long set of paragraphs outlining exactly why you are wrong. How the reaction now is very, very different than it was a decade ago - how there are (of course) people ready and willing to jump to a convenient conclusion, and lash out at their 'enemies', but there are far more who are getting on with life and waiting for the investigation process to complete. I don't know what *you* see, but "blind patriotism" doesn't seem to be what *I* see.

But I doubt it matters - you've pretty conclusively demonstrated your feelings on the matter, and nothing I or anyone else has to say is going to change it.

I would point out one thing, however - at the end of the day, the ladies and gentlemen who were willing to help out had a positive impact on a fairly negative event. That may not meet your criteria for "heroes", but they certainly don't deserve your ire for being willing to step up.

Dislike the media's portrayal of events? No one - not a single person on the planet - is forcing you to tune in. If it's bothering you that much, go look at pictures of kittens.
 
2013-04-17 06:55:58 AM

mikaloyd: This is a GAT 00 attention gathering tool now?
Mosts posts seem concerned about GAT 00 rather than the article or National Guardsmen.

This is FARK though and the politics attention whores WILL have their way I suppose. Kind of a shame in this instance but GAT00 gotta get his attention or starve I guess


Got any chaaaaange?
 
2013-04-17 06:59:07 AM

puffy999: mikaloyd: This is a GAT 00 attention gathering tool now?
Mosts posts seem concerned about GAT 00 rather than the article or National Guardsmen.

This is FARK though and the politics attention whores WILL have their way I suppose. Kind of a shame in this instance but GAT00 gotta get his attention or starve I guess

Got any chaaaaange?


maybe
 
2013-04-17 07:00:08 AM
I'm not really seeing the flag-waving in either the report or the headline. Running towards the scene of a mass casualty event in order to give aid is at the very least brave and admirable, even if not heroic, whether the person concerned is a soldier, Carlos Arredondo, or anyone else.

/not American
 
2013-04-17 07:00:58 AM
*sends homeless people to your house*
 
2013-04-17 07:01:40 AM

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


It's good to know that Americans do not have a monopoly on gross over simplification, making up facts, and hypocrisy.
 
2013-04-17 07:07:01 AM
I remember seeing those guys on the initial video and I was wondering if they had some Guard members just volunteering to help out at the finish line and that's why they were there. I was wondering if they allowed ruck marching in the marathon, I suck at long distance running and thought it would be cooler to ruck it instead.

Good on them and everyone who rushed towards danger, even if it was just a simple act of holding someone's hand to comfort them.
 
2013-04-17 07:13:14 AM

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.

Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.


I agree with you about meaningless platitudes but this story was about the soldiers. I didn't know why they were there or who they were. All the publicity about the heroic Mr. Arredondo makes me nervous.
 
2013-04-17 07:13:40 AM
If everyone acted as the protagonists in this story did as a first at the first sign of every trauma and catastrophe, there'd be no need for the existence of the word "hero".
But not everyone does (not by a damn sight).

These actions (and many more besides) yesterday definitely meet my own personal definition of "heroic".

God damn it.

I thought I'd cried myself out of tears yesterday.

How wrong I am.
 
2013-04-17 07:15:25 AM
...as a first, instinctive response at the first sign...


/haven't had my first coffee yet.
 
2013-04-17 07:22:19 AM

Madame Ovary: GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Have you ever considered monastic life? Honestly. Few people see glorification of good works as a bad thing, except monks.

Well, I've been farking like one for a while...

And yes, crap like this pisses me off.  It's the first step to making products to "commemorate" people and this incident, and now someone can get rich off a disaster.  I am so utterly farking sick of that.

Everyone can write an meaningless feel good phrase.  It does nothing.  There was plenty of that yesterday on FB.  And so if we go with meaningless platitudes, they might as well be well written, which is why I responded with this.

I agree with you about meaningless platitudes but this story was about the soldiers. I didn't know why they were there or who they were. All the publicity about the heroic Mr. Arredondo makes me nervous.


Eh, I don't see why when you think about it. Despite the immigration controversy Americans have always loved a good story about an immigrant that comes here and does something good for the country.  This is not an unusual or sinister narrative.
 
2013-04-17 07:22:19 AM

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?



No because you're a troll without a soul.
 
2013-04-17 07:23:30 AM
GAT_00, seriously. STFU. This is not the time or place for this.
 
2013-04-17 07:32:29 AM

Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.


A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...
 
2013-04-17 07:37:23 AM

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


Oh, blow it out your ass.
 
2013-04-17 07:37:47 AM

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


images.sodahead.com
/you know it had to be done.
 
2013-04-17 07:38:49 AM
Lot of idiots in this thread..would love to see their Facebook, most likely littered with jeebus stuff and dateline reports...lol
 
2013-04-17 07:40:24 AM

tbhouston: Lot of idiots in this thread..would love to see their Facebook, most likely littered with jeebus stuff and dateline reports...lol


there is one very good thing about threads like this... it allows you to update ignore/favorite lists very efficiently.
 
2013-04-17 07:45:30 AM
Wow, a story about people helping others turns into an absolutely terrible thread. Say the words "soldiers" and "helped" and out come the trolls, insulting all Americans as if we worship them and our government. However, as I don't want to feed the trolls, I'll just say something relevant to the ACTUAL article- good for them and everyone else that worked together to help those people. The media can go to hell for all of the conclusions they have jumped to, which is why I haven't watched more than a few minutes of coverage- and I would suggest others do the same. Go outside, talk to people, play with your kids- life is short, so just enjoy living to the fullest. And help others in times of need so that they can, too. In the end, that's all that really matters.
 
2013-04-17 07:46:25 AM

MythDragon: Lady Indica: It's remarkable and fortunate that there were more than a dozen soliders, with appropriate trauma kits in the ruck, who were able to assist.

A little too remarkable if you ask me...
All these people trained in 1st aid who just happened to be carrying CLS kits. Just so happened to be close enough to render immediate aid but not close enough to get injured. And it just so happens that Obama's approval ratings have been slipping.

I'm not saying it's a government conspiracy, but...


Yeah, plus it just so happened that Kenyan won the race.  Hmm, what a coincidence. Did Obama rig this to allow his buddy to win?

I'm not saying you are pants on head retarded, but...
 
2013-04-17 07:46:57 AM

GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?


No, because you're a douchebag.
 
2013-04-17 07:53:23 AM

ex0h: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

Not an American myself, but the constant displays of nationalism we see on the news is just awkwardly-uncomfortable. Don't know any country in the world apart from America that seems to feed on that behavior quite as much.

As for the news coverage over this Boston thing, you're right, it is sickening. A couple bombs go off and a couple people die and it's the only thing discussed the world around despite the fact that many bigger disasters are happening across the world. Meanwhile American drone strikes are still killing children/civilians and they get half a days news coverage, with many of your major news outlets not even reporting it. Sickening is the right adjective. But then, I reckon the majority of people outside America are used to that kind of behavior and by now we've come to expect it.

It's good to know that not everyone is flag-waving and thinking the world is coming to an end because you guys got bombed for a change.


If you don't like it, perhaps your people should stop watching it?  Your local news departments only show what the people want to see.  Look in the mirror to find the true culprit.
 
2013-04-17 07:57:41 AM

LL316: GAT_00: jylcat: GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.

You, sir, are disgusting.

What, because I refuse to turn into an ultra-nationalist when we get attacked?

No, because you're a douchebag.


Winner winner, chicken dinner
 
2013-04-17 07:58:45 AM
As a former member of the Army, I was impressed these guys did a marathon in full ruck. That is no small feat.

I am also impressed that they stepped up and helped. Not everyone can do that and from watching the videos, I saw a lot of people running the other way. I don't criticize those people but I will praise the soilders. hoo rah
 
2013-04-17 08:01:39 AM

August11: I am proud of my country. I am proud of those soldiers first at the scene.

But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.

Fold the flag properly and get back to work.


Have to agree with this. Anyone who has ever said "They hate us for our freedom" should be taken out back and shot. There are all sort of intricate reasons and policy decisions and primary and secondary goals and such that lead up to any terror attack. And anyone who simply cries "freedom" as reason is the worst kind of imbecile...one who doesn't ever bother to do a single inkling of research for those reasons.
 
2013-04-17 08:02:20 AM
To add, I am also sick of ultra-nationalism jingoistic fear after tragedies. It got us in to Iraq. I hate that we have to stand at attention like God Bless America is now the national anthem. I hate the patriot act. There are a million things I can complain about.

Being a jackhole to express these opinions to lesson a story about soldiers that walked 26 miles and then aided those in the midst of a terrible tragedy is just goddamn stupid.

It is possible to keep your goddamn trap shut for one single thread without shiatting all over it just to get your political opinion out. And, the fact that you can't understand that and lash out at others because you are totally just expressing your opinion shows you spend too damn much time on this site.

You've also become no better than the actual trolls on this site that you spend hours admonishing for being single-minded and repetitive bullshiat artists. Congrats.
 
2013-04-17 08:04:59 AM

snowshovel: August11: I am proud of my country. I am proud of those soldiers first at the scene.

But I am sick of full-of-shiat flag wavers. They were born on 9/11 and they are, by far, the most ignorant, shallow, idiotic brand of American ever to exist. They have little understanding of history, and less understanding of what makes our country the greatest country on the planet. They are capable of nothing more than a knee-jerk; they are as patriotic as my golden retriever.

Fold the flag properly and get back to work.

Have to agree with this. Anyone who has ever said "They hate us for our freedom" should be taken out back and shot. There are all sort of intricate reasons and policy decisions and primary and secondary goals and such that lead up to any terror attack. And anyone who simply cries "freedom" as reason is the worst kind of imbecile...one who doesn't ever bother to do a single inkling of research for those reasons.


And...what do the "They hate us for our freedom" people have to do with this thread?  Nothing.  But, by all means, carry on.  Just be careful stepping down off that soap box.  Wouldn't want you to break a nail.
 
2013-04-17 08:12:54 AM

Active introvert: As a former member of the Army, I was impressed these guys did a marathon in full ruck. That is no small feat.

I am also impressed that they stepped up and helped. Not everyone can do that and from watching the videos, I saw a lot of people running the other way. I don't criticize those people but I will praise the soilders. hoo rah


Ohhhhh really?
 
2013-04-17 08:33:39 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Active introvert: As a former member of the Army, I was impressed these guys did a marathon in full ruck. That is no small feat.

I am also impressed that they stepped up and helped. Not everyone can do that and from watching the videos, I saw a lot of people running the other way. I don't criticize those people but I will praise the soilders. hoo rah

Ohhhhh really?


Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.
 
2013-04-17 08:45:04 AM

Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.


Learn the difference between "hooah", "hoorah" and "oorah" please
 
2013-04-17 08:45:30 AM

Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.


On that note, the article mentions one of the guys is a Lance Corporal, which IIRC is a Marine rank, yet calls him a soldier.

I thought Marines were Marines, Air Force were Airmen, Navy were Seamen, Army were Soldiers.

I've learned this since living in the UK however (from my now former-RAF SO), maybe the US branches are less picky about it?
 
2013-04-17 08:47:22 AM
*wellthatescalatedquickly.jpg*
 
2013-04-17 08:50:59 AM

thisone: On that note, the article mentions one of the guys is a Lance Corporal, which IIRC is a Marine rank, yet calls him a soldier.

I thought Marines were Marines, Air Force were Airmen, Navy were Seamen, Army were Soldiers.


You have gotten to the core of the problem.
 
2013-04-17 08:53:25 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.

Learn the difference between "hooah", "hoorah" and "oorah" please


lol I looked up the differences between "hooah" and "hoorah" and it's a split debate. But I see Army -> both, USMC -> hoorah (but the h is silent... so oorah).
 
2013-04-17 08:55:14 AM
benh999: Don't sweat it. If my brain and dick were small enough to be in the armed forces, I would probably get my rocks off over dead towelheads too.

Well, your brain is certainly small enough to call them "towelheads" so you just might have a shot of joining. I'm sure your penis is just waaaaay too big though and your girlfriend in Canada will vouch for that.
 
2013-04-17 08:57:43 AM

Genju: lol I looked up the differences between "hooah" and "hoorah" and it's a split debate. But I see Army -> both, USMC -> hoorah (but the h is silent... so oorah).


Ha, I'll go with the Hooah t-shirts at the PX even though I'd say it's debatable too.

Either way, Marines is definitely oorah. From the diaphragm.
 
2013-04-17 09:00:32 AM

Kuroboom: benh999: Don't sweat it. If my brain and dick were small enough to be in the armed forces, I would probably get my rocks off over dead towelheads too.

Well, your brain is certainly small enough to call them "towelheads" so you just might have a shot of joining. I'm sure your penis is just waaaaay too big though and your girlfriend in Canada will vouch for that.


I the original post was sarcasm.
 
2013-04-17 09:01:23 AM
*think

/time for caffeine
 
2013-04-17 09:03:17 AM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


You don't have to be an ultra nationalist to be a complete farking asshole though, apparently.
 
2013-04-17 09:03:21 AM

pxlboy: I the original post was sarcasm.


Was it? My mistake then. It can be hard to tell sarcasm from trolling from legitimate stupid in a text format.
 
2013-04-17 09:05:21 AM

Kuroboom: pxlboy: I the original post was sarcasm.

Was it? My mistake then. It can be hard to tell sarcasm from trolling from legitimate stupid in a text format.


To be fair, my sarcasm detector only works about half the time.
 
2013-04-17 10:05:24 AM
puffy999: *sends homeless people to your house*

And I accept them. I'll feed them, and help them get on their feet again. (like i've done countless times, without thought) Am I a hero? No! A decent guy? Maybe. Can sympathise with what it's like to be a human being who slips through the gaps in society? YES!

hardinparamedic: uttertosh: Seriously. WWJD?

Who cares what would Jose do. He's selling oranges for a reason, you know!

That's a pretty low blow, you racist piece of crap.

These guys, and lots of others helped in a horrible situation, no doubt about it.

Perspective: They did the right thing. The block-thread frontpage coverage of fark was disproportionate to many, many other atrocities committed worldwide. The American press coverage, even more so.

Is America so morally bankrupt that it desperately has to idolize being a good human being?

If you were there at the time, which direction would you have run in? My personal gut instinct is to go help. I've done so in the past. Am I a hero? Fark off, no!

My Grandfather led his men out of a Japanese torture camp in WW2. He scolded me for calling him a hero when I was a kid. He just saw it as his duty to his fellow man to get them the fark out of there. (he took three ceremonial 'samurai' swords from the commanders he captured, who begged to be beheaded by their own swords, rather than suffer the dishonour of capture - ja, CSB)
 
2013-04-17 11:19:53 AM

uttertosh: That's a pretty low blow, you racist piece of crap.


It's not my fault that anti-immigrationists force poor Jose to perform demeaning and insulting work to survive in the United States, you poor little flower. Oh, you mean what would Jeremiah do?

amishamerica.com

If it sounds like I've been making fun of you, there might be a reason for that.
 
2013-04-17 11:33:42 AM
Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.
 
2013-04-17 12:04:43 PM

GAT_00: Ugh, we're already busy turning every single person who was at the marathon into some kind hero and waving the flag all over the place.  It's farking disgusting.


7/10

not too overstated , will get some bites
 
2013-04-17 12:24:01 PM

GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.


The problem is you hit every one of the points on the DOUCHEBAGS Categorization Index.

Derp
Obfuscation
Unfounded  Claims
Hate
Extremism
Baiting
Argumentative
Guileless  shiatposting.

I may be off, as I am running off of the modified Tokyo Protocols for the DCI.  Please consult the newest diagnostic manual for a confirmation.
 
2013-04-17 12:26:15 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Genju: Learn the difference between "hoorah" and "oorah" and come back please.

Learn the difference between "hooah", "hoorah" and "oorah" please


don;t forget booyah.
 
2013-04-17 12:32:50 PM
Mother Jones praising soldiers?

/speechless
 
2013-04-17 01:20:49 PM

GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.


When you mind is a festering bucket of rancid shiat, you get treated like it.
 
2013-04-17 01:51:29 PM
Tax Day - 'Boston Tea Party'

hmm.
 
2013-04-17 02:39:01 PM
 Even if only .0000001% of 300,000,000 people are this nuts, that still leaves a lot of nuts. I just want them to find who did it and bring them to justice.

that would be 0.3 nuts
 
2013-04-17 03:38:41 PM

GAT_00: Well, I've been farking like one for a while...


I can see why.
 
2013-04-17 03:59:55 PM
Do not feed the trolls. They thrive on your response to their carefully crafted comments designed to achieve maximum outrage.
 
2013-04-17 04:17:42 PM

hardinparamedic: If it sounds like I've been making fun of you, there might be a reason for that.


I was trying to appeal to the majority of Americans, in that Jesus prolly wouldn't have liked being called a 'hero' for doing just the same.

If that upsets you, well, sorry. Your comment was still ridiculously racist.
 
2013-04-17 04:29:59 PM
I wasn't sure about the meaning of patriotism until now, but after reading this thread I have this: You Americans should try and stop being so überly patriots for a change, and maybe the rest of the world will not hate you so much and they will not fly planes in your buildings and will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.
 
2013-04-17 04:34:21 PM

traylor: I wasn't sure about the meaning of patriotism until now, but after reading this thread I have this: You Americans should try and stop being so überly patriots for a change, and maybe the rest of the world will not hate you so much and they will not fly planes in your buildings and will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.


Favourited: Advocate of humility.
 
2013-04-17 04:43:01 PM

traylor: will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.


perhaps we'll also learn that the best bomb proof trash can is a clear, lightweight, plastic bag in a basketball rim style holder, rather than spending the money on those giant bomb funnels that they have in the T
 
2013-04-17 04:53:51 PM

thisone: traylor: will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.

perhaps we'll also learn that the best bomb proof trash can is a clear, lightweight, plastic bag in a basketball rim style holder, rather than spending the money on those giant bomb funnels that they have in the T



That sounds like a surrender to your enemies. Only the French would do that.

/Link
 
2013-04-17 06:35:25 PM

GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.


Boo hoo. You got ridiculed for saying something stupid in context.

Speaking your mind is not what you got ridiculed for. Speaking something blatantly trolling, offensive, and emotion-baiting that doesn't even apply with the current topic at hand was what you were called out, ridiculed, and taken to task for.

There's something to be said in avoiding nationalism. Celebrating the selfless actions of individuals who had no duty to act, and who did not even need to step up and could have ran away is not one of them.
 
2013-04-17 06:40:46 PM

traylor: You Americans should try and stop being so überly patriots for a change, and maybe the rest of the world will not hate you so much and they will not fly planes in your buildings and will not detonate trash cans in your public sport events.


Yes. It's patriotism that's the problem (ultranationalism, actually. There's a difference, by the way. One can be proud of one's country and not tout superiority of others.)
 And not the foreign policies and actions of the American Government circa the end of the cold war that started it.

traylor: I wasn't sure about the meaning of patriotism until now, but after reading this thread I have this:


You should know all about the dangers of Ultranationalism, considering your country was a supporter of the Nazis During World War II, and a puppet of the Soviets until their fall.

But yes. Lecture us on how the former is just as bad as the later.

uttertosh: Your comment was still ridiculously racist.

www.2shots1beer.com


If we all could just admit
That we are racist a little bit,
Even though we all know
That it's wrong,
Maybe it would help us
Get along.
 
2013-04-17 08:19:53 PM

hardinparamedic: One can be proud of one's country


You know who else was also proud of his country?

OK seriously. You should not be proud of your country, no one should. I am proud of my own achievements. I started off from a poor and stupid family but I managed to bring myself into a normal life. I learned two foreign languages all by myself, and despite I did not have financial support to finish my university education I am more valuable in my profession than most of those who had. There are things I am proud of but none of them are achieved by other people. Why should I take pride in other individuals' success whom I did not help and do not even know personally? Just because they live in a specific direction to me in a specific distance? Because they speak the same language and wave the same flag? Are you proud of all the Americans?

Patriotism and (ultra)nationalism is just herd instinct. Blind, selective herd instinct. Those who are the most proud of their country are people who really have nothing to be proud of as individuals. And yes I know they are bad but not because the history but because the present. I value others based on what they have achieved and not what group they belong to.

/and btw I'm saying it as I have six times more and almost as many reasons to be proud of my country
 
2013-04-17 09:02:39 PM

Ed Grubermann: GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.

When you mind is a festering bucket of rancid shiat, you get treated like it.


Free speech for all, unless you happen to say things that you don't like.  Then you should be forbidden from expressing those thoughts.
 
2013-04-17 09:56:20 PM

GAT_00: Free speech for all, unless you happen to say things that you don't like.  Then you should be forbidden from expressing those thoughts.


The First Amendment protects you from Obama coming to your house in the night and black-bagging you for what you say. It does not protect you from ridicule for saying something offensive, unpopular, or blatantly stupid.

traylor: You know who else was also proud of his country?


Bernard Montgomery, Charles De Galle, Zofia_Kossak-Szczucka, Jozef Gabčík and Jan Kubiš? Those are just the names that spring out to me right now.

What's your point? Plenty of people have been proud of his or her country and not gone on to be either ultranationalists, right-winged fascists, or murderers.

traylor: OK seriously. You should not be proud of your country, no one should. I am proud of my own achievements.


That's nice. I frankly don't care. I live in a society of people, not an island of one man. I can be proud of my own achievements, and then be proud that people working in that society have done something for the betterment of humanity.

traylor: I started off from a poor and stupid family but I managed to bring myself into a normal life. I learned two foreign languages all by myself, and despite I did not have financial support to finish my university education I am more valuable in my profession than most of those who had. There are things I am proud of but none of them are achieved by other people. Why should I take pride in other individuals' success whom I did not help and do not even know personally? Just because they live in a specific direction to me in a specific distance? Because they speak the same language and wave the same flag?


Good for you! Your upraising sounds a lot like mine. I'm PRIOUD of you for working yourself with dedication like you did.

I'm still not a nihilistic, narrow-minded person who thinks that my achievements can't be part of a greater good.

traylor: Are you proud of all the Americans?


Are you proud of all Hungarians? When will you stop beating your wife? I'm just asking questions, Sir!

That's a stupid statement, and you should feel bad for appealing to it.

traylor: Patriotism and (ultra)nationalism is just herd instinct. Blind, selective herd instinct. Those who are the most proud of their country are people who really have nothing to be proud of as individuals. And yes I know they are bad but not because the history but because the present. I value others based on what they have achieved and not what group they belong to.


Oh, I see. Anyone who feels pride for one's country is just a sheep, right? They have nothing to be proud of? And they don't value what others have achieved? Really?

That's really impressive. I'm honestly, honest-to-god impressed that you have the psychic ability to deduce that. Or you're talking out of your ass. Completely and totally talking out of your ass. One or the other.

traylor: /and btw I'm saying it as I have six times more and almost as many reasons to be proud of my country


Since you wanted to Godwin the thread by stating that opener, I'll just bring this up and leave it right here.

We've done a lot to be ashamed of, but - yeah - never systematically participated in the extermination of millions of people based on the fact they read the Talmud or were members of a nomadic people.

Really. It's nice you're nihilistic and self-proud and all, and you really can't see the difference between patriotism (which, when rationally applied, is good) and ultra-nationalism (Always Bad), but you really shouldn't be so full of it while calling others out for supposedly doing the same thing.
 
2013-04-17 11:13:06 PM

hardinparamedic: Really. It's nice you're nihilistic and self-proud and all, and you really can't see the difference between patriotism (which, when rationally applied, is good) and ultra-nationalism (Always Bad), but you really shouldn't be so full of it while calling others out for supposedly doing the same thing.


Maybe you did not understand me, I am not proud of my country. I have no reason to feel pride if I am not part of the success. Same goes for shame: I don't feel any guilt for what happened here before I was even born, why should I? You can stop throwing poop around.
 
2013-04-17 11:48:36 PM

GAT_00: Ed Grubermann: GAT_00: Shocking.  Almost exclusively ad hominen attacks for speaking my mind.  I expected nothing less.

When you mind is a festering bucket of rancid shiat, you get treated like it.

Free speech for all, unless you happen to say things that you don't like.  Then you should be forbidden from expressing those thoughts.


You have a right to say whatever you want.

Just as we have a right to point out how stupid you are.
 
2013-04-18 04:21:37 AM

traylor: Maybe you did not understand me, I am not proud of my country. I have no reason to feel pride if I am not part of the success. Same goes for shame: I don't feel any guilt for what happened here before I was even born, why should I? You can stop throwing poop around.


So basically, you're just biatching to be biatching, pretending to be superior because you hold to a quasi-nihilistic philosophy when called out on your hypocrisy, where you pretend to be the only person that matters in the world, and you ignore the influence of history on the present because it's convenient to think that your actions are the only thing that matter in the grand scheme of things?

You started it. You should be able to take it, you know, since you're so accomplished and all.
 
2013-04-18 05:32:31 AM

hardinparamedic: You started it. You should be able to take it


Take that, American ubernationalfacistas!

Oh, wait....
 
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