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2013-04-16 06:01:59 PM

thamike: skullkrusher: Wouldn't Independence Day make more sense from a symbolic perspective? Hitting a government building rather than a marathon route?

The marathon happens on Patriots Day which commemorates the Battles of Lexington and Concord, which kicked off the American Revolution with the "shot heard 'round the world."  The whole thing is maximum population density, especially at the finish line, and especially after the race has already been won by the athletes and the straggling townsfolk are all bunched together in the back of the line, basically walking.  Also, there is maximum media exposure.

What part of that whole scenario doesn't make sense?


I guess I don't get the "inflict as many civilian casualties as possible" angle if this were done by a guy looking to start a 2nd revolution. McVeigh wanted many casualties to make a big impact but he specifically wanted to limit non-government employee casualties and targeted the Murrah Building because it housed a number of government agencies. Other right wing terror attacks have targeted specific groups (gays, blacks, their "sympathizers", etc) but it seems pretty uncommon to just try to randomly kill a bunch of American civilians with no real symbolic target attached to it. Even Rudolph hit the Atlanta games because he thought the Olympics were socialist.

For all we know the only significance of the date is that that's the date of the marathon and the attackers thought the finish line would make a good target.
 
2013-04-16 06:02:26 PM

Bisu: 1) He doesn't appear to be blaming anyone, just mentioning something (complacency) that he observed but didn't necessarily cause anything.
2) He doesn't even MENTION the victims.
3) Submitter is a troll.


It must be sorry to be you.
 
2013-04-16 06:03:34 PM

jcooli09: the_dude_abides: udhq: Conservatives know that guns enable violence, they just think that a stack of dead children every now and then is just the cost of doing business in a free country.

Things like Newton and Columbine are acceptable to conservatives, or at least moreso than any common sense actions we could take to prevent such tragedies.

2/10 too obvious

Do you dispute it?


I do. And I believe strongly in gun control. To say the slaughter of children is acceptable to conservatives is delusional. Such tragedies are only "aceeptable" to the deepest-do-do of psychopaths. Your political tunnel vision may put conservatives in that camp, but that's your personal issue. One you should probably have examined.
 
2013-04-16 06:04:25 PM
Civilian complacency? I'm sorry that for years following 9/11 we kept hearing about terror alert fuchsia and nothing ever happened. It's almost as if those random terror alerts were just to keep us on edge and willing to give up more freedoms.
 
2013-04-16 06:05:15 PM

carpbrain: Bisu: 1) He doesn't appear to be blaming anyone, just mentioning something (complacency) that he observed but didn't necessarily cause anything.
2) He doesn't even MENTION the victims.
3) Submitter is a troll.

It must be sorry to be you.


umm.. he's right. Subby is a troll.
 
2013-04-16 06:05:48 PM
Typical liberal subby. McConnell didn't say "victims" were complacent. He said "all Americans" have become complacent. You know why he said that? Because we have become complacent. Again. Just like I knew we would.
 
2013-04-16 06:07:43 PM
There is some truly crazy shiat flying from the left in this thread. Thinking liberals should be calling people out for this crap. Huh?
 
2013-04-16 06:09:31 PM

TerminalEchoes: Typical liberal subby. McConnell didn't say "victims" were complacent. He said "all Americans" have become complacent. You know why he said that? Because we have become complacent. Again. Just like I knew we would.


of course we have. Times of peace on the homefront do that. What he's trying to do is ensure that terrorism stays at the forefront because of the belief that the American people think the GOP is better suited to deal with terrorist threats.
Cynical and underhanded but nowhere does he blame the victims for the attack despite subby and "Think" Progress' attempts. Why critiquing an easily assailable opinion is so often replaced by dishonest handwaving to make the bad seem worse, I'll never know.
Oh wait, I know already. shiat.
 
2013-04-16 06:10:27 PM
The fellow on the bottom looking into what he thinks life is like is Mitch McConnell.
The fellow on top of his learning about the real world is everybody else who is not batshiat crazy like McConnell.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-16 06:11:34 PM

the_dude_abides: udhq: Conservatives know that guns enable violence, they just think that a stack of dead children every now and then is just the cost of doing business in a free country.

Things like Newton and Columbine are acceptable to conservatives, or at least moreso than any common sense actions we could take to prevent such tragedies.

2/10 too obvious


So you support universal background checks?
 
2013-04-16 06:11:38 PM
I think Mitch  McConnell is right. Americans have been way too complacent. It's time to invade North Korea to secure Americas freedom.
 
2013-04-16 06:13:22 PM

Cletus C.: jcooli09: the_dude_abides: udhq: Conservatives know that guns enable violence, they just think that a stack of dead children every now and then is just the cost of doing business in a free country.

Things like Newton and Columbine are acceptable to conservatives, or at least moreso than any common sense actions we could take to prevent such tragedies.

2/10 too obvious

Do you dispute it?

I do. And I believe strongly in gun control. To say the slaughter of children is acceptable to conservatives is delusional. Such tragedies are only "aceeptable" to the deepest-do-do of psychopaths. Your political tunnel vision may put conservatives in that camp, but that's your personal issue. One you should probably have examined.


Gun nuts absolutely accept that some number of gun deaths are acceptable in order to keep their 2nd amendment rights unencumbered.  Some of those are going to be children.

Ask them if it's acceptable and they'll say know and probably believe it's true.   But as soon as ANY proposal is put forth to attempt to reduce the violence and their reaction is to buy more guns and ammo, or put armed guards (and in some cases, armed civilians) in the schools.
 
2013-04-16 06:16:46 PM

skullkrusher: For all we know the only significance of the date is that that's the date of the marathon and the attackers thought the finish line would make a good target.


Well that's the other option I was looking at.  Then there's the lone jihadi supposition.  Typically, they go for excellerant and fertilizer, though. And in cars. Not gunpowder, carpenter nails and BBs in pressure cookers.  Granted, it's harder to keep a stagnant m.o. stateside than it used to be, but the size and scope is definitely too small to be funded by foreign entities.  So yeah, it may be a lone muslim or even a klatch of them.  I'm just not getting the vibe.  Not that my vibe means anything.
And, again, I haven't suggested the right wing, as we know it, as an option.  I'm talking about people we haven't heard from, not those softcore loudmouths on the TV.  The real white supremacist criminal underground is nightmarish.
 
2013-04-16 06:17:41 PM

udhq: jcooli09: SkinnyHead: what_now: We aren't all pants shiatting cowards, McConnell, you asshole.

Could have fooled me, seeing how liberals have been filling their pants lately in fear that their neighbors might have an assault rifle.

I think you have us confused with conservatives.  Liberals aren't afraid, we're pissed that you cowards can't see that too many guns breed violence.

Conservatives know that guns enable violence, they just think that a stack of dead children every now and then is just the cost of doing business in a free country.

Things like Newton and Columbine are acceptable to conservatives, or at least moreso than any common sense actions we could take to prevent such tragedies.


Weird. I remember the TSA taking common sense actions to prevent certain tragedies. How widely popular were those measures?
 
2013-04-16 06:17:45 PM
I hope I am not the only person who thought of Bert the duck and cover turtle after reading this.

 upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-16 06:21:11 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-04-16 06:21:35 PM
Obama today:

"In the coming days, we will pursue every effort to get to the bottom of what happened. And we will continue to remain vigilant. I've directed my administration to take appropriate security measures to protect the American people. And this is a good time for all of us to remember that we al have a part to play in alerting authorities - if you see something suspicious, speak up."

/Victim blaming according to Fark
 
2013-04-16 06:21:39 PM

jcooli09: Cletus C.: jcooli09: the_dude_abides: udhq: Conservatives know that guns enable violence, they just think that a stack of dead children every now and then is just the cost of doing business in a free country.

Things like Newton and Columbine are acceptable to conservatives, or at least moreso than any common sense actions we could take to prevent such tragedies.

2/10 too obvious

Do you dispute it?

I do. And I believe strongly in gun control. To say the slaughter of children is acceptable to conservatives is delusional. Such tragedies are only "aceeptable" to the deepest-do-do of psychopaths. Your political tunnel vision may put conservatives in that camp, but that's your personal issue. One you should probably have examined.

Gun nuts absolutely accept that some number of gun deaths are acceptable in order to keep their 2nd amendment rights unencumbered.  Some of those are going to be children.

Ask them if it's acceptable and they'll say know (no) and probably believe it's true.  But as soon as ANY proposal is put forth to attempt to reduce the violence and their reaction is to buy more guns and ammo, or put armed guards (and in some cases, armed civilians) in the schools.


So no, you don't believe that. Good. You are drawing lines and connecting them in various ways to various dots.

I think gun nuts truly believe the way to prevent more slaughters is to get more guns out there. I think they're morons for that and wrong, wrong, wrong, but I do not believe they accept the mass murder of children as acceptable collateral in there fight to keep their guns.
 
2013-04-16 06:21:48 PM

Cletus C.: I do. And I believe strongly in gun control. To say the slaughter of children is acceptable to conservatives is delusional. Such tragedies are only "aceeptable" to the deepest-do-do of psychopaths. Your political tunnel vision may put conservatives in that camp, but that's your personal issue. One you should probably have examined.


The fact is, we could decide to end Newtons and Columbines once and for all if we wanted to.  The question is how much freedom are we willing to surrender.

Everybody has a line.  To me, the fact that children occasionally die violent deaths is more acceptable than universal personal surveillance.  What I object to is people on the right who place that line at a point of relatively minor inconvenience.
 
2013-04-16 06:22:33 PM

TerminalEchoes: Because we have become complacent.

[citation needed]
 
2013-04-16 06:23:01 PM

thamike: skullkrusher: For all we know the only significance of the date is that that's the date of the marathon and the attackers thought the finish line would make a good target.

Well that's the other option I was looking at.  Then there's the lone jihadi supposition.  Typically, they go for excellerant and fertilizer, though. And in cars. Not gunpowder, carpenter nails and BBs in pressure cookers.  Granted, it's harder to keep a stagnant m.o. stateside than it used to be, but the size and scope is definitely too small to be funded by foreign entities.  So yeah, it may be a lone muslim or even a klatch of them.  I'm just not getting the vibe.  Not that my vibe means anything.
And, again, I haven't suggested the right wing, as we know it, as an option.  I'm talking about people we haven't heard from, not those softcore loudmouths on the TV.  The real white supremacist criminal underground is nightmarish.


I think a group of Muslims is called a "murder", not a "klatch".
Tasteless jokes aside, I don't think this is the work of international planning regardless of who actually did it. Could be a homegrown honkey, could be a disillusioned US resident Muslim who spent the holidays in Pakistan and sent forth to do what he could, could be OWS getting one right for a change, who knows. It was pretty well conceived to do maximum damage with the staggered explosions, though, so I'd imagine we can probably rule out OWS.
 
2013-04-16 06:23:29 PM

eggrolls: Can we test McConnell's level of complacency by...


Shutup. Idiot.
 
2013-04-16 06:24:30 PM

Mrbogey: I understand the fark meme to make the headline say something different than what was actually said but really subby?

He didn't blame the victims.

Subby is a grade "A" asshole.


You should punch him in the face.
 
2013-04-16 06:24:50 PM

udhq: Cletus C.: I do. And I believe strongly in gun control. To say the slaughter of children is acceptable to conservatives is delusional. Such tragedies are only "aceeptable" to the deepest-do-do of psychopaths. Your political tunnel vision may put conservatives in that camp, but that's your personal issue. One you should probably have examined.

The fact is, we could decide to end Newtons and Columbines once and for all if we wanted to.  The question is how much freedom are we willing to surrender.

Everybody has a line.  To me, the fact that children occasionally die violent deaths is more acceptable than universal personal surveillance.  What I object to is people on the right who place that line at a point of relatively minor inconvenience.


For gawd's sake. I'd let the government set up a camera by the bed while I was farking your mother if it would prevent the death of one child.
 
2013-04-16 06:28:57 PM
Heh... What a farking asshole. Keep 'em scared, eh, Mitch?


Did McConnell happen to notice the sheer amount of security personnel in Boston for the Marathon yesterday?

Has he been to any large public gathering or rode on a subway in a major city or flown on a commercial flight recently?

Maybe he's confusing Buttplug Hollow, KY (pop. 25) with large urban centers in the US, but anyone who spends time in major urban areas can tell you security and Americans have not become "complacent".

farking butt plug.
 
2013-04-16 06:29:01 PM

impaler: eggrolls: Can we test McConnell's level of complacency by...

Shutup. Idiot.


someone had to say it
 
2013-04-16 06:29:22 PM

Cletus C.: So no, you don't believe that. Good. You are drawing lines and connecting them in various ways to various dots.

I think gun nuts truly believe the way to prevent more slaughters is to get more guns out there. I think they're morons for that and wrong, wrong, wrong, but I do not believe they accept the mass murder of children as acceptable collateral in there fight to keep their guns.


Thanks for the non-fascist correction.  I owe you one.

I'll have to concede that some gun nuts think that's true, but not all.  None of them are going to say that it's OK for children to be shot, but it isn't that uncommon for them to believe that a quantity of gun deaths are the price we pay for 2nd amendment rights.

It's true, too, just like a certain number of traffic deaths are the price we pay for driving around.   The difference is that we take steps to mitigate traffic deaths.
 
2013-04-16 06:34:25 PM
Jormungandr,
They are for sale as slingshot ammo too. Quick google search reveals 1/2" chrome steel balls cost about 5$ a pound...
Having said that they do work great for slingshot ammo.
/I bet we're all on a watch list now


I am quite sure that some of my searches like this were flagged. I like to research and understand dangerous, interesting things in theory. I am used to the old pre-streaming, shopping internet that died sometime after after late 2001.

I am rather sad that some of the more interesting WTF corners of the internet are probably out of bounds if you don't want to be put on a higher priority list by predator or whatever they call it now.
 
2013-04-16 06:36:17 PM

Aar1012: I'm surprised he didn't try to blame Obama or the Democrats.

/Waiting for that fallout to happen


Give it time, it's only been 24 hrs after all.
 
2013-04-16 06:37:17 PM
who has become complacent?
who would suggest complacency?

someone who hasn't turned on a t.v. or a radio in the last 12 years or so or perhaps someone who doesn't have family or friends in uniform.  Maybe someone who has their head so far up their rear that they cant hear or see whats be televised or reported on a daily basis for the most part.  Maybe someone who hasn't gone thru security to board a plane in recent years or even been to a ball game (yeah there's security checkpoint there too) hell even Disneyland has you herded through security troughs.  all of these are daily reminders of the potential that terrorism demands.  Hell if you were to simply pay attention to politics you will not see complacency there's an everyday back and forth, worst case scenarios being touted as truth, NOBODY is complacent, at least not anyone paying attention to the world today.

Im not sure what the hell trutle was hinting at but i am offended that he thinks all Americans are as dumb as those who voted for him.

sheesh! I haven't been complacent since 8th grade or so.
 
2013-04-16 06:37:35 PM

udhq: So you support universal background checks?


sure, sounds reasonable enough.
 
2013-04-16 06:38:52 PM

justinguarini4ever: Obama today:

"In the coming days, we will pursue every effort to get to the bottom of what happened. And we will continue to remain vigilant. I've directed my administration to take appropriate security measures to protect the American people. And this is a good time for all of us to remember that we al have a part to play in alerting authorities - if you see something suspicious, speak up."

/Victim blaming according to Fark


Yeah, I missed the part where Obama said that people had become "too complacent" like McConnell did.
 
2013-04-16 06:41:33 PM
Fear will keep the local systems...er....state governors in line.
 
2013-04-16 06:41:37 PM

HeartBurnKid: justinguarini4ever: Obama today:

"In the coming days, we will pursue every effort to get to the bottom of what happened. And we will continue to remain vigilant. I've directed my administration to take appropriate security measures to protect the American people. And this is a good time for all of us to remember that we al have a part to play in alerting authorities - if you see something suspicious, speak up."

/Victim blaming according to Fark

Yeah, I missed the part where Obama said that people had become "too complacent" like McConnell did.


Yeah he didn't use te exact same words therefore he's President for life and Mitch McConnnell has to give the Obama kids shell rides around the rose garden.
 
2013-04-16 06:42:24 PM

SkinnyHead: coeyagi: SkinnyHead: There's nothing controversial about warning people against complacency when it comes to terrorism.   Unless you happen to be a big fan of complacency.

Except that is a completely transparent attempt at ginning up fear so that you will vote GOP and Big Government [Depart of Defense] and line the pockets further of defense contractors, but I guess in the post WWII era that isn't controversial, that is just the same happy bullsh*t we live with every day, much like oxygen poaching Fark posters who force us to respond to their retardation.

The actual reason why libs are so offended by talk about complacency is that they see it as an attack on their complacent president.


Damn, you're out derping tenpoundsofderp. That is some industrial strength derping right there.
 
2013-04-16 06:43:26 PM
I think it's safe to say that for many, the complacency that prevailed prior to September 11th has actually returned.

The headline is incorrect.  McConnel is certainly saying that "many" Americans have become complacent.  But there is no way to determine if he would consider any of the direct victims of the attack, or those secondary victims directly targeted in the attack, as some of those "many" complacent Americans. So, he can't be accused of blaming any of those victims for being complacent, because he has a plausible out.

He also doesn't directly connect the apparent complacency he sees to the attack.  It's just sort of there.

Also, of note, the Thinkprogress article pretty much reports on the remark exactly as stated, but did omit the qualifier "many" in the headline and said "some" instead of "many" in the body.  By using "some" instead of "many" in the body of the article, they actually make him look better.  Nothing about victim blaming in that article.

As for his statement itself, that many Americans have become complacent, I have no idea what he's talking about.  I don't see it.  I don't feel it.  I still worry about watching "live" events on TV because I fear seeing a terror attack as it happens.  I hate when Obama makes speeches in public because I'm afraid someone will take a shot at him.  I'm glad TP highlighted this from McConnell, because if he thinks Americans have become more complacent than we were prior to 9/11, I take it to mean he surrounds himself with people who are out of touch with most Americans.  And that's not good.
 
2013-04-16 06:43:46 PM
SkinnyHead:

The actual reason why libs are so offended by talk about complacency is that they see it as an attack on their complacent president.

you should keep blaming the victims.   that's just awesome dude!
 
2013-04-16 06:47:21 PM
The elephant in the room is that perfect security is impossible.  To get within the 90% percentile of perfect security (international AND domestic) would require a level of control over every action of every citizen as to make Orwell think you're over the line.  But for some unfathomable reason the average person thinks that it's a binary choice: anarchy or massively imposed order.  And of course when any form of middle ground is brought up the zealots retreat further into their partisan corners.

Just as perfect economic models cannot survive exposure to the real world and its imperfect denizens, so too fall perfect security models.  We must address the uncomfortable fact that there are among us broken souls, who choose to ignore (or simply cannot comprehend) the simple ethic that we're all members of a civilization and that civilization requires we all adapt to rules which prevent the most harm from happening to the most people.  As individuals we must be more vigilant for these broken people and deal with them in a rational manner, not ignore the fact that our community is not so exceptional after all and leave these unfortunates to huddle in their shadows and act out later.

/Occasionally, we elect them to office
 
2013-04-16 06:51:37 PM
Saying in the aftermath of an apparent terrorist attack that we've become "complacent" is stupidly vague on one level, and fairly irresponsible on another, especially when offering such little context.

Fine, next time I'm out in public, I will personally tackle every Middle-Eastern looking person and hold them until authorities arrive. Who cares if I'm profiling and they're completely innocent; I don't want to be "complacent", brah.

/note: this goes for any public official; please stop saying vague, meaningless tropes without substance in times like these. It helps no one.
 
2013-04-16 06:57:19 PM

Dr Dreidel: Chariset: Bad happens to the bad; good happens to the good. If something horrific happened to you, you must have deserved it.

It's easy to say this from the relative isolation of Kentucky. When was the last time a "terrorist" even looked at Kentucky on a map, The Civil War?

// yes, I know he spends lots of time here in DC
// the constituencies he's speaking to...don't


Mid-1960s, according to this guy:

www.bigflax.com
 
2013-04-16 06:57:47 PM

Mrbogey: In the suicide note, he begins by expressing displeasure with the government, the bailout of financial institutions, politicians, the conglomerate companies of General Motors, Enron and Arthur Andersen, unions, drug and health care insurance companies, and the Catholic Church.[32] [...]

Hates GWB and the Catholic Church, cites Marx, wants revolt, and is critical of the bailouts. That sounds a hell of a lot more like OWS than the Tea Party.


Roight, guv.  Those Smelly Hippies at OWS hates themselves some Union Thugs.
 
2013-04-16 06:57:54 PM
Fine, you want less complacency? You want people to start panicking and shooting with their Freedom Guns at anyone who looks like a threat?

Well, Mitch, if that's what you want I'd suggest you start staying indoors, because shiat like this shows us all that the real threat is from right-wing trash corrupting the government and trying to keep us all in a state of perpetual fear.
 
2013-04-16 06:58:14 PM

MSFT: Mrbogey: I understand the fark meme to make the headline say something different than what was actually said but really subby?

He didn't blame the victims.

Subby is a grade "A" asshole.

You should punch him in the face.


Ah...my stalker returns.
 
2013-04-16 06:59:22 PM
At the risk of blaming the victims, can I just say I don't understand why public trashcans are allowed to unsecured/unguarded during events like this?  It probably wouldn't have stopped this bombing if they had been, but, I still wonder.

/bombproof trashcans, the next big thing
 
2013-04-16 07:01:44 PM

Mrbogey: MSFT: Mrbogey: I understand the fark meme to make the headline say something different than what was actually said but really subby?

He didn't blame the victims.

Subby is a grade "A" asshole.

You should punch him in the face.

Ah...my stalker returns.


Well, you got complacent.  It's you're own fault.
 
2013-04-16 07:02:45 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Mrbogey: In the suicide note, he begins by expressing displeasure with the government, the bailout of financial institutions, politicians, the conglomerate companies of General Motors, Enron and Arthur Andersen, unions, drug and health care insurance companies, and the Catholic Church.[32] [...]

Hates GWB and the Catholic Church, cites Marx, wants revolt, and is critical of the bailouts. That sounds a hell of a lot more like OWS than the Tea Party.

Roight, guv.  Those Smelly Hippies at OWS hates themselves some Union Thugs.


His belief was that unions failed the workers. Not that they shouldn't exist.
 
2013-04-16 07:03:05 PM

RyogaM: At the risk of blaming the victims, can I just say I don't understand why public trashcans are allowed to unsecured/unguarded during events like this?  It probably wouldn't have stopped this bombing if they had been, but, I still wonder.

/bombproof trashcans, the next big thing


holy crap! Kevlar trash bins!! sold to every farking city in the nation nay the world! that's not a bad idea if it worked.
would be an easy sell if you just mentioned a couple scary numbers in sequential order, just a reminder so to speak.
 
2013-04-16 07:08:13 PM
McConnell is actually just repeating FOX News talking points on this one:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/16/boston-bombing-shatters -new -complacency/
 
2013-04-16 07:11:24 PM

Rhino_man: McConnell is actually just repeating FOX News talking points on this one:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/16/boston-bombing-shatters -new -complacency/


Wretched piece of shiat parrots other wretched pieces of shiat, film at 11.
 
2013-04-16 07:21:18 PM

skullkrusher: carpbrain: Bisu: 1) He doesn't appear to be blaming anyone, just mentioning something (complacency) that he observed but didn't necessarily cause anything.
2) He doesn't even MENTION the victims.
3) Submitter is a troll.

It must be sorry to be you.

umm.. he's right. Subby is a troll.


it's sorry to be him because he can't engage in the wild-eyed whackadoodliness being expressed here.
 
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