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(Rolling Stone)   Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young to release long-forgotten live album recorded in 1974, leading fans to wonder oh how many more concerts are in the CSNY vault   (rollingstone.com) divider line 68
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2013-04-16 11:58:29 AM
It doesn't matter, evidently, how many concerts are in the vault if Neil Young won't release them.

Whoa.

// Lighten up Neil.
 
2013-04-16 12:05:26 PM
YAY!

That is freaking awesome.
 
2013-04-16 12:18:35 PM
I'm guessing the quantity is somewhere around 'a lot'.
 
2013-04-16 12:19:05 PM
Huh.....Stephen Stills is in both of my favorite music magazines right now.....seems like a cool guy.

I like their first album but they generally don't really do it for me.  that said, just this weekend I had "Sutie For Judie Blue Eyes" and, good god, they don't make 'em like that anymore.  What an amazing record.  I like the part when your boy Cros just nails the "how can you catch the SPAAAAAROW?" line, and you hear what I can only guess is Stills, say, "beautiful!"
 
2013-04-16 12:25:57 PM

notmtwain: // Lighten up Neil.



yeah, not even really being a CSNY/ Neil fan, his stance on how bad CDs are or audio in general, it's like, dude, is it better that the product get into circulation during your lifetime (or your fans'), or is it better to cross your arms, harrumph and grumble about how bad CD quality audio is and sit on the vault?   "NO!  YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS!  IT SOUNDS AWFUL TO MY EARS!  HARRUMPH!"
 
2013-04-16 12:26:59 PM
That first record is pretty good.  Damn good actually.  The followup I can go either way on.  David Crosby's first record, however, is stellar.  They don't make farkups that talented anymore.
 
2013-04-16 12:28:18 PM
I'm divorce-gutted.  I can't afford food.  I'm losing my house.  But I WILL buy this album.
 
2013-04-16 12:28:39 PM

rickythepenguin: notmtwain: // Lighten up Neil.


yeah, not even really being a CSNY/ Neil fan, his stance on how bad CDs are or audio in general, it's like, dude, is it better that the product get into circulation during your lifetime (or your fans'), or is it better to cross your arms, harrumph and grumble about how bad CD quality audio is and sit on the vault?   "NO!  YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS!  IT SOUNDS AWFUL TO MY EARS!  HARRUMPH!"


Not to mention that Neil's and all engineer buddies ears are probably destroyed from years of heavy sound.  Time is not kind to one's sense of hearing.
 
2013-04-16 12:33:31 PM

rickythepenguin: Huh.....Stephen Stills is in both of my favorite music magazines right now.....seems like a cool guy.


there's a cool story about the first time they sang together.....apparently Nash and Crosby say it was at a party at Joni's house but Stills in the article, is like, "they've convinced themselves of this alternate reality, but here's how it really went down."  (almost an exact quote, by the way).

he says that he idolized Joni so very badly that there is no way he would have sang in front of her first with this band.  he and Cros had farked around on some songs, and then I think Judy Collins -- shiat -- it might have been Mama Cass, asked Stills if he wanted a third singer.  Stils is like, "yeah, i'll try anything."  he goes to a party at this person's house, whether Collins or Cass, and Graham Freaking Nash is there.  Stills in the article is like, "we all knew who he was, and I was freaking out."

so then he and cros go to the kitchen and start a duet they'd just written.  Nash is upstairs watching them, pacing back and forth.  Nash is like, "do it again."  they do it.  Nash again says, "ok, try it one more time".  they do it.  He then comes down, they sing that song, and when Nash chimes in, Stills is quoted in the article saying something like, "at that moment, I knew my life would never, ever be the same."  and then he says a couple days later, they performed at Joni's house.  but his point is the first time they sang, it wasn't at Joni's.

/the new issues of UNCUT and Mojo, if you're scoring at home.  really cool articles.
 
2013-04-16 12:44:30 PM
About 437, but they all sound the same.
 
2013-04-16 12:49:22 PM
A few more of these QE printing CSNY and we are going to go into hyper-CSNY inflation.

You can't just keep printing albums and not expect it.
 
2013-04-16 12:57:16 PM
This news makes me happy.
 
2013-04-16 12:57:30 PM
LP, please. Please?
 
2013-04-16 12:57:58 PM
A veritable gold rush.
 
2013-04-16 01:09:38 PM
Judging from some of the live videos on youtube, I really hope they were only mostly trashed while performing.
 
2013-04-16 01:33:25 PM
rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: Huh.....Stephen Stills is in both of my favorite music magazines right now.....seems like a cool guy.

there's a cool story about the first time they sang together.....apparently Nash and Crosby say it was at a party at Joni's house but Stills in the article, is like, "they've convinced themselves of this alternate reality, but here's how it really went down."  (almost an exact quote, by the way).

(cool story deleted)

That's pretty much how it's described in "Go Where You Wanna Go," the Matthew Greenwald book on the Mamas and Papas, as related by Mama Cass.

Still also tells how he spotted Young's hearse in traffic while driving around LA with Richie Furay, and they chased him down to see if he wanted to play a couple gigs with Buffalo Springfield.

They've certainly had their feuds over the years, but Stills' health problems seems to have convinced him that life is too short. This interview with the pair on a park bench (part 1 of 3) is way cool for the vibe.

Stills is also a vastly underrated flat-pick guitarist - here he's giving a few tips to some guy:

www.dpsinsider.com
 
2013-04-16 01:39:59 PM
I have a cousin named Neil Young.

Unfortunately Young is just a common surname amongst certain groups in Canada. My cousin's just a trucker, but I suspect the famous Neil would approve. It sort of fits his vibe.
 
2013-04-16 01:44:21 PM

rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: Huh.....Stephen Stills is in both of my favorite music magazines right now.....seems like a cool guy.

there's a cool story about the first time they sang together.....apparently Nash and Crosby say it was at a party at Joni's house but Stills in the article, is like, "they've convinced themselves of this alternate reality, but here's how it really went down."  (almost an exact quote, by the way).

he says that he idolized Joni so very badly that there is no way he would have sang in front of her first with this band.  he and Cros had farked around on some songs, and then I think Judy Collins -- shiat -- it might have been Mama Cass, asked Stills if he wanted a third singer.  Stils is like, "yeah, i'll try anything."  he goes to a party at this person's house, whether Collins or Cass, and Graham Freaking Nash is there.  Stills in the article is like, "we all knew who he was, and I was freaking out."

so then he and cros go to the kitchen and start a duet they'd just written.  Nash is upstairs watching them, pacing back and forth.  Nash is like, "do it again."  they do it.  Nash again says, "ok, try it one more time".  they do it.  He then comes down, they sing that song, and when Nash chimes in, Stills is quoted in the article saying something like, "at that moment, I knew my life would never, ever be the same."  and then he says a couple days later, they performed at Joni's house.  but his point is the first time they sang, it wasn't at Joni's.

/the new issues of UNCUT and Mojo, if you're scoring at home.  really cool articles.


I love Mojo, but can't justify spending more than 10 bucks a month on it.
 
2013-04-16 01:59:55 PM

OldManDownDRoad: rickythepenguin: rickythepenguin: Huh.....Stephen Stills is in both of my favorite music magazines right now.....seems like a cool guy.

there's a cool story about the first time they sang together.....apparently Nash and Crosby say it was at a party at Joni's house but Stills in the article, is like, "they've convinced themselves of this alternate reality, but here's how it really went down."  (almost an exact quote, by the way).

(cool story deleted)

That's pretty much how it's described in "Go Where You Wanna Go," the Matthew Greenwald book on the Mamas and Papas, as related by Mama Cass.

Still also tells how he spotted Young's hearse in traffic while driving around LA with Richie Furay, and they chased him down to see if he wanted to play a couple gigs with Buffalo Springfield.

They've certainly had their feuds over the years, but Stills' health problems seems to have convinced him that life is too short. This interview with the pair on a park bench (part 1 of 3) is way cool for the vibe.

Stills is also a vastly underrated flat-pick guitarist - here he's giving a few tips to some guy:

[www.dpsinsider.com image 469x326]


Except he didn't use a pick. He would us his thumbnail, as if it were one.
 
2013-04-16 02:00:28 PM
OldManDownDRoad:
Stills is also a vastly underrated flat-pick guitarist


yep.
 
2013-04-16 02:11:15 PM
Remember when we used to go to concerts to hear people play their music?  That was weird, right?  I mean, like where were all the dancers?  Why didn't they have people bouncing around on bungie cords?  Why do we have to listen to them actually sing?  Wouldn't it just be simpler for them to mouth the words while someone plays their hit songs?  Why are they on the stage at all?  That doesn't make sense- they should just be holograms.  Dancing holograms that lip sync to popular tunes.  That's all we really need at concerts.
 
2013-04-16 02:27:29 PM
I have 4 Way Steet - what else do I need?
 
2013-04-16 02:44:04 PM
I anxiously await this!
I remember years ago (late 70's), sitting around getting buzzed at a buddy's place.  He was trying to play along to Suite: Judy Blue Eyes.  I ask for his guitar, tune it E-E-E-E-B-E, and play along.  He was blown away (his first introduction to any kind of open or alternative tuning, except drop-D).

/Modals are cool.
 
2013-04-16 02:55:44 PM
Geeze '4 Way Street' aged poorly and is barely listenable now - especially the acoustic sides.

These guys can't get people to pay for their new music so they're reduced to releasing concerts from 40 years ago.

Yeah good luck with that.
 
2013-04-16 03:00:38 PM
I just wish Graham would say f*cking more during this interview.  I don't think he quite used it enough
 
2013-04-16 03:07:41 PM
Might be all right if they stray into acoustic tracks that aren't 5th versions of stuff off 4WS. Otherwise, who cares?
 
2013-04-16 03:08:14 PM

TXEric: tune it E-E-E-E-B-E



no shiat?  wow.  i didn't know, one, it was in an alt tunign and second, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF EEEEBE tuning!

another thing that strikes me as funny about Judy Blue Eyes is in that "delicate" outro, iwth the series of upper register notes just before the "do doo doo doo doo" coda, is, there is a phrase that is spot-on the signature likc in the grateful dead's china cat sunflower, where Jerry plays that same exact phrase to announce the transition into I Know You Rider.

i wonder if Still stole that from the GD or vice versa.
 
2013-04-16 03:08:20 PM
The whole Wembley Stadium concert is on YouTube.
 
2013-04-16 03:10:09 PM
soo... wouldnt these just be copies of songs they already released?  ie.. no big deal at all?
 
2013-04-16 03:14:59 PM

karnal: I have 4 Way Steet - what else do I need?


4 Way Street is much better

/I keeeed ;)
//Yes, its an awesome live album
 
2013-04-16 03:37:29 PM
Looking into this...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-16 03:56:53 PM

tillerman35: Remember when we used to go to concerts to hear people play their music?  That was weird, right?  I mean, like where were all the dancers?  Why didn't they have people bouncing around on bungie cords?  Why do we have to listen to them actually sing?  Wouldn't it just be simpler for them to mouth the words while someone plays their hit songs?  Why are they on the stage at all?  That doesn't make sense- they should just be holograms.  Dancing holograms that lip sync to popular tunes.  That's all we really need at concerts.


You sound like you could use a nice cup of tea.
 
2013-04-16 04:05:51 PM
Wow, 4 unreleased recordings of CSNY fighting in the dressing room at the Fillmore East...

upload.wikimedia.org

/very agile, howie
//very agile
 
2013-04-16 04:31:36 PM

downstairs: karnal: I have 4 Way Steet - what else do I need?

4 Way Street is much better

/I keeeed ;)
//Yes, its an awesome live album


This; 4 Way Street is such a great live album, it's hard to see how they could improve on it.
 
2013-04-16 04:42:09 PM
CSNY fans rejoice!!

www.rivervalleyslf.com
blogs.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-04-16 04:42:24 PM

whidbey: Wow, 4 unreleased recordings of CSNY fighting in the dressing room at the Fillmore East...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 311x300]

/very agile, howie
//very agile


Oh, shut up and play your guitar!!!


love that album
 
2013-04-16 04:42:49 PM

whidbey: Wow, 4 unreleased recordings of CSNY fighting in the dressing room at the Fillmore East...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 311x300]

/very agile, howie
//very agile


came for the Zappa reference
leaving before my Fillmore runs out of gas
 
2013-04-16 05:16:14 PM

rickythepenguin: TXEric: tune it E-E-E-E-B-E


no shiat?  wow.  i didn't know, one, it was in an alt tunign and second, I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF EEEEBE tuning!

another thing that strikes me as funny about Judy Blue Eyes is in that "delicate" outro, iwth the series of upper register notes just before the "do doo doo doo doo" coda, is, there is a phrase that is spot-on the signature likc in the grateful dead's china cat sunflower, where Jerry plays that same exact phrase to announce the transition into I Know You Rider.

i wonder if Still stole that from the GD or vice versa.


Could have been either way - they both tunes were released around the same time.
The "E Modal" tuning also has been referenced as E-B-E-E-B-E, but the other way was the way I learned it (yes, I had to have some guru friend of mine, who was deep into alternative tunings, let me in on that, too).

Loves me some crazy tunings.  Nick Drake was another one who would twist those tuners around and make you wonder why you can't sound exactly like him...
 
2013-04-16 05:17:22 PM
...and I have no idea why I typed "they both"... probably those brain cells from the 60's-70's kicking in.
 
2013-04-16 05:23:26 PM

TXEric: Could have been either way - they both tunes were released around the same time.



and they were buddies....Garcia of course played on "Tech Your Children Well" (that lap steel solo is a first take) and I'm hazy on the details, but.....before the GD did I think American Beauty, CSN (perhaps Stills alone, who was known to jam with the GD) traded, as I recall, vocal / harmony lessons for the Dead in exchange for either studio time or Jerry's production of CSN.

American Beauty has some pretty amazing vocal harmonies that the GD had never really shown on record, and as I recall, that came from the "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" arrangement.

/might have been Workingman's Dead.  either way, there's a story about someone teaching the GD the basics of harmony singing.
 
2013-04-16 05:27:31 PM
Ah, yes, the Summer of Love days.  Wish I could remember more of them!

They used to do a lot of quid pro quo stuff together - hell, that still goes on in the music world today, it's been a constant.  Look at Clapton's first solo album, the back cover shot is almost a who's who of blues/rock of 1970-71.

Good times...
 
2013-04-16 05:27:56 PM

TXEric: Loves me some crazy tunings.



i don't play nearly as much as once did (and i was never good anyways) but I used to fark around with DADGAD, which lets you play a bunch of Zep songs with one finger and obviously, every other Keith Richards song.
 
2013-04-16 05:41:01 PM
The old Celtic-sounding DADGAD!  Home of Kashmir, love it!

Try DGDGBD for some good ol' open G Stones fun, as well as some classic Little Feat (Fat Man, China White), plus some classic Black Crowes.
 
2013-04-16 05:53:56 PM

orange whip: leaving before my Fillmore runs out of gas


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

Real futuristic. I dig the fins...
 
2013-04-16 07:17:04 PM
It can also be nicely played in daddad tuning (a Jimmy Page Favorite)
 
2013-04-16 07:27:12 PM
It is my personal opinion that all "Live" albums recorded in the 70's SUCK. Without the benefits of a mixer and other tweaks, you got to hear them as they really are. And boy, the ear-grating noises they make.
 
2013-04-16 07:40:04 PM

TV's Vinnie: It is my personal opinion that all "Live" albums recorded in the 70's SUCK. Without the benefits of a mixer and other tweaks, you got to hear them as they really are. And boy, the ear-grating noises they make.


Perhaps you haven't heard this one:

991.com
 
2013-04-16 07:41:50 PM

TV's Vinnie: It is my personal opinion that all "Live" albums recorded in the 70's SUCK. Without the benefits of a mixer and other tweaks, you got to hear them as they really are. And boy, the ear-grating noises they make.

That's nice. Now run along.
 
2013-04-16 09:04:30 PM

rickythepenguin: TXEric: Could have been either way - they both tunes were released around the same time.


and they were buddies....Garcia of course played on "Tech Your Children Well" (that lap steel solo is a first take) and I'm hazy on the details, but.....before the GD did I think American Beauty, CSN (perhaps Stills alone, who was known to jam with the GD) traded, as I recall, vocal / harmony lessons for the Dead in exchange for either studio time or Jerry's production of CSN.

American Beauty has some pretty amazing vocal harmonies that the GD had never really shown on record, and as I recall, that came from the "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours" arrangement.

/might have been Workingman's Dead.  either way, there's a story about someone teaching the GD the basics of harmony singing.


Nash was helping out "stack" the vocals on Uncle John's Band
 
2013-04-16 09:13:28 PM
I have Tonto, Tarzan, Frankenstein and Hulk sing Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young on vinyl.
 
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