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(Think Progress)   If you guessed "one day" before someone would claim that, unlike Obama, Bush "kept us safe for 8 years," step forward and claim your 9/11 commemorative prize   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 268
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2013-04-16 03:07:57 PM  
Vodka Zombie: .... You can carve every item on that list into their skin.  ....


Why yes please, I'd love to!  With a push pin.
 
2013-04-16 03:08:10 PM  

yeegrek: OK conservatives, we need to talk.  We, by which I mean the center and the left, let you have that one.  You're welcome.  We let you have that one not because we agreed with it, or thought it was even close to basic reality.  We let you have that one because we were all so very done with Bush and company.  The previous 8 years were traumatizing as hell to us.  Your man-child preznit absolutely drove this country into the ground.  The US was a flaming wreck when he turned the keys over to Obama.  Depression, jobs crisis, banking crisis, real estate crisis, two wars being lost.  We were done.  We were done with him, we were done fighting with you over him, we were done explaining to you how truly awful he was on every possible level.  We realized that you needed to have some shred of substance to hang your hat onto, to claim that you hadn't foisted a complete and total incompetent jackass onto the most powerful nation on Earth.  So when you claimed that he "kept America safe", we just rolled our eyes and just waited for Obama to take office.  We remember him totally ignoring the pre 9/11 warnings.  We remember how he didn't catch any of the anthrax mailers. We remember the multiple embassy attacks (but Benghazi!!). we remember Jim David Adkisson, Mohammed Reza, the Beltway Sniper, the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings, the LAX shootings, and all the people in Iraq that hate the US with every fibre of their being because the US killed their family members.

But if you really want to re-litigate this one, we're happy to do so.  No, he did not keep us safe, and fark you for even trying to whip that one past us.


Beauty.  11/10 (y'know...when 10 isn't enough and ya need that extra *push*)
There's gonna be some *prodigious* butthurt over this one.

/didn't read entire thread, so most likely some good butthurt already.
 
2013-04-16 03:11:57 PM  

aspAddict: In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."


I'll admit, I was afraid of them . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVf7m_YZ2zY
 
2013-04-16 03:12:48 PM  

aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.


It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.
 
2013-04-16 03:14:05 PM  

FlashHarry: The Why Not Guy: It's funny how the people who tell us to "never forget" always seem to forget.

knock knock
who's there?
9/11
9/11 who?
YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET!


this made me laugh far longer and louder than it should have.

well done, sir.
 
2013-04-16 03:14:30 PM  

lennavan: I don't really want that to be jacked by a guns discussion. More of a "why is this so different than all of the other types of deaths" discussion.


Good luck with that.
 
2013-04-16 03:14:48 PM  

tuna fingers: Bermuda59: Is the prize one of those 9-11 commemorative coins?

I hope so!  You can tilt up the towers as they stood in all of their American glory.
Some call them tacky, but I say NAY.  Those are awesome!

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 208x149]
9-11!
Never remember!


Every time I see that commercial, I'm caught between a state of laughter and anger. While I find it amusing that old people and rednecks buy stupid sh*t online, I find the coin offensive as a cheap and cynical ploy. Especially when suggested as a "collectors'" item.

/reminds me of the South Park episode where Stan's dad keeps buying crap from the home shopping network
 
2013-04-16 03:17:49 PM  

whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.


I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...
 
2013-04-16 03:20:44 PM  

HighOnCraic: I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...


What does he have to lose?
 
2013-04-16 03:31:41 PM  

HighOnCraic: I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...


He may very well.

Look, most of us are doing a good job of waiting for the facts to come in rather than jumping to conclusions. And even the folks who admit to having suspicions are making it clear that they don't know for sure.

But. (there's always a but, isn't there?)

Our Tea Party friends have spent the last four years and change talking about how they came unarmed (this time) or bringing rifles to places where President Obama is speaking or reminding us that it's time to water the tree of liberty with blood. Ok, fine. They have every right to do just that. However, if that's the route they're going to take, don't be surprised or offended if people look at them when violence erupts.

And just so we're clear... my point isn't that I think a Tea Partier was behind the bombing. My point is that they're retards for embracing the rhetoric of violence or war in pretty much everything they do, and the only reason people are looking at them is because we've had nothing but vague (and not so vague) threats from them for years. Grow up and act like adults.
 
2013-04-16 03:31:47 PM  

aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.


Just a guess, but I'm thinking most of the people who are outraged by Mr. Rush's statements are the ones who saw through all the bullshiat paranoia the media pushed on us during the Bush years.  And the ones who are supporting him are the ones who swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
 
2013-04-16 03:31:51 PM  

HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...


oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke
 
2013-04-16 03:38:31 PM  
9/11 happens... The majority of the country rallies around President Bush. His approval rating goes to 90%

Marathon bombing happens... Obama is already being attacked for not keeping us safe.

Yes, both side are totally teh bad.
 
2013-04-16 03:45:24 PM  

skullkrusher: HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke


It's ok, even if it was a federal building in Oklahoma City again, Captain Semantics here would whine that there aren't 7 floors on this building this time, there's 9, so it doesn't count and isn't at all the same.

//not saying one way or the other that this is like OKC, just saying that you're love of pedantry is legendary
 
2013-04-16 03:46:43 PM  

coeyagi: skullkrusher: HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke

It's ok, even if it was a federal building in Oklahoma City again, Captain Semantics here would whine that there aren't 7 floors on this building this time, there's 9, so it ...


*YOUR

//FTFM
 
2013-04-16 03:49:14 PM  

coeyagi: skullkrusher: HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke

It's ok, even if it was a federal building in Oklahoma City again, Captain Semantics here would whine that there aren't 7 floors on this building this time, there's 9, so it ...


yeah except this isn't pedantry. This is "why the fark is 'totally OKC all over again'"? What would make someone say that unless they were whidbey? He's a troll and a fool and you'd be better off not white knighting him
 
2013-04-16 03:56:32 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.


Who is going to be doing this "assuring?"  We've got enough cops around to assure anything, except from people who do the unexpected.  There is no cure for that, except by somehow de-motivating them to do such things.  It is the price we pay, and I'm fine with that.
 
2013-04-16 03:57:52 PM  

BSABSVR: Empty Matchbook: Have there been numerous terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 5 years that I've been unaware of?

Remember the underwear bomber?  There was a lot of colossal shiatting going on about him, both faux and real.  I'm assuming that Patrick Dollard will also be counting Ft. Hood, and possibly all of the goofy plans where some dude was  going to stuff a pineapple full of c4 and throw it at the Golden Gate Bridge as well.


Ah, of course...all the ones that were successfully PREVENTED...how silly of me to discount those...
 
2013-04-16 04:02:27 PM  

HighOnCraic: VitruvianMonkey: Limbaugh was asking the question today, after a lengthy recap of the Bill Ayers narrative, why nobody was asking if this was a left-wing group?

Um, because left-wing groups haven't been threatening or insinuating the need for insurrection and violence since day one of the black guy's term as president?

One of the freepers in actualhuman's link mentioned that the attack took place on  "African Freedom Day."

But according to the link the freeper posted:

On the 25th of May 1963, thirty-one African Heads of state convened a summit meeting to found the Organization of African Unity (OAU). They renamed African Freedom Day "African Liberation Day" and changed its date to May 25th.

http://www.africanliberationday.net/node/1

/I guess he should've studied it out.


In all fairness, a lot of these people think the Soviet Union still exists.
 
2013-04-16 04:03:57 PM  
Perhaps trying them for the our acts of terrorism could in lead to keeping us safe from new attacks for eons.

I wonder how the marathon bombing pictures compare with the latest drone attack pictures?

I suppose with if they hadn't of dropped the drone attack medal we could have submitted all their names being one big open globe and everything.
 
2013-04-16 04:11:35 PM  

GoldSpider: HighOnCraic: I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

What does he have to lose?


Why is it even an issue? There's a good chance that's the case, given the derp when a liberal was in office last time.
 
2013-04-16 04:14:28 PM  
This counts against Obama because it is a bomb, but the 26 people shot in Newtown don't?

/Not trying to make this political, but this point is irrational.
 
2013-04-16 04:16:21 PM  
Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]
 
2013-04-16 04:16:30 PM  

whidbey: given the derp when a liberal was in office last time.


I'm not really sure what the Roosevelt administration has to do with this thread.
 
2013-04-16 04:17:15 PM  

GoldSpider: whidbey: given the derp when a liberal was in office last time.

I'm not really sure what the Roosevelt administration has to do with this thread.


Um, you do know that according to most irrational right-wing dipshiat types that Clinton and Obama are both far lefties, right?
 
2013-04-16 04:20:17 PM  

hugram: 9/11 happens... The majority of the country rallies around President Bush. His approval rating goes to 90%

Marathon bombing happens... Obama is already being attacked for not keeping us safe.

Yes, both side are totally teh bad.


if 9/11 had happened under president gore, republicans would have been calling for his impeachment and execution for treason THAT NIGHT. i guarantee it.
 
2013-04-16 04:20:27 PM  

whidbey: Um, you do know that according to most irrational right-wing dipshiat types that Clinton and Obama are both far lefties, right?


Agreed, I would consider anyone who would call either Obama or Clinton "liberal" irrational.  Not sure how that translates into irrefutable evidence that the bombing was done by said irrational rightwing dipshiats (though I certainly won't discount the possibility).
 
2013-04-16 04:22:50 PM  

praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]


I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.
 
2013-04-16 04:32:52 PM  

skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.


That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.
 
2013-04-16 04:35:42 PM  
Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) gains an honorable mention to the list, for joining others on Twitter in calling on CNN host Wolf Blitzer to recant his "attack" on political opponents, saying the Tea Party was behind the bombing - a claim that Blitzer never made:

Yeah, but Blitzer's still an asshole for immediately framing the story with "why didn't Obama use the word terror."  Apparently, according to that well-poisoning luck troll, the word "terror" must be repeated by the president, otherwise we won't know what it is.  Hell, we might have thought it was because of an anti marathon video that caused a protest in Philadelphia.
 
2013-04-16 04:37:48 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.

That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.


that's my point though - I think the tendency is towards shedding the tribalism when this happens, not the other way around. We become better people, in general.
 
2013-04-16 04:44:33 PM  

skullkrusher: praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.

That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.

that's my point though - I think the tendency is towards shedding the tribalism when this happens, not the other way around. We become better people, in general.


I'd really like to believe that.  It's times like this when my innate cynicism and my "Zen thing" are most in conflict.
 
2013-04-16 04:50:14 PM  

praxcelis: praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Reminds me of the Terry Pratchett quote:
"It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things."
 
2013-04-16 04:54:08 PM  

skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

you're also a decent human being on Fark. You are like a one-eyed, 6-toed Albino Black Mexican Eskimo Lesbian


Uh.....

Do I have all six toes on one foot?
 
2013-04-16 04:54:15 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.

That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.

that's my point though - I think the tendency is towards shedding the tribalism when this happens, not the other way around. We become better people, in general.

I'd really like to believe that.  It's times like this when my innate cynicism and my "Zen thing" are most in conflict.


CSB: on the night of 9/11/01 I was walking to my after work spot in Hell's Kitchen. I passed a number of homeless guys who usually bugged me for money when on this route. Sometimes I had some extra, sometimes I didn't, some of them were nice guys, some belligerent assholes but whatever. That night not a single one asked me for money. All they wanted to know if my family was ok and how I was doing. It was farking magical. Lasted only a few days but I'll never forget the instant change.
 
2013-04-16 04:55:11 PM  

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

you're also a decent human being on Fark. You are like a one-eyed, 6-toed Albino Black Mexican Eskimo Lesbian

Uh.....

Do I have all six toes on one foot?


per foot. I don't think you're physically unstable. Jury's still out on the mental bit :)
 
2013-04-16 05:01:00 PM  

Magorn: what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".

SO decoding these clues we can build a profile of the Bomber based on the symbolism of what he attacked and when:

He attacked on Patriot's day, in an area rich with revolutionary symbolismm,  so clearly he's an Anti-American foreigner.  His bombs went off at the 26th mile, which was dedicated to the 26 victims of Newtown, so clearly he's a gun-rights nut/Sandy Hook denier.  His attack occured on April 15th -tax day  so he must have hated paying taxes.  The bombs exploded right near all the international flags  so he hates furriners and the UN.  He attacked outside the oldest public library in the country so he clearly hates both books AND socialism, and of course he interfered with a SOX game, so obviously he's a Yankee fan.

Putting all that into the Bat computer clearly tells me we are looking a Fundamentalist Muslim jihadist Tea Party member, who is also a "young earth" creationist and a white supremacist...how hard can THAT guy be to find?


web-images.chacha.com
 
2013-04-16 05:05:50 PM  

nocturnal001: patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe

Are you so sure they were innocent? How do you define that anyway?

Innocents die in war, but I'd much rather their innocents die than ours.


And this is why we (humans) can't have nice things.
 
2013-04-16 05:09:57 PM  

skullkrusher: CSB: on the night of 9/11/01 I was walking to my after work spot in Hell's Kitchen. I passed a number of homeless guys who usually bugged me for money when on this route. Sometimes I had some extra, sometimes I didn't, some of them were nice guys, some belligerent assholes but whatever. That night not a single one asked me for money. All they wanted to know if my family was ok and how I was doing. It was farking magical. Lasted only a few days but I'll never forget the instant change.


In September of 2000 I was doing a consulting gig in the financial district.  My first visit to NYC and the one thing I still clearly remember is that everyone I encountered, from CIOs to the peanut cart vendors, were all visibly, demonstrably proud to be New Yorkers.  In all my travels I've never encountered that much devotion to a place.  Every time I go back there I get the same feeling from the people I talk with.
 
2013-04-16 05:16:10 PM  
Is this Bostghazi!!! yet?
 
2013-04-16 05:17:38 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: CSB: on the night of 9/11/01 I was walking to my after work spot in Hell's Kitchen. I passed a number of homeless guys who usually bugged me for money when on this route. Sometimes I had some extra, sometimes I didn't, some of them were nice guys, some belligerent assholes but whatever. That night not a single one asked me for money. All they wanted to know if my family was ok and how I was doing. It was farking magical. Lasted only a few days but I'll never forget the instant change.

In September of 2000 I was doing a consulting gig in the financial district.  My first visit to NYC and the one thing I still clearly remember is that everyone I encountered, from CIOs to the peanut cart vendors, were all visibly, demonstrably proud to be New Yorkers.  In all my travels I've never encountered that much devotion to a place.  Every time I go back there I get the same feeling from the people I talk with.


we do love our city an awful lot in case people haven't noticed ;)

I knew my farkie wasn't for naught

praxcelis (favorite: Reasonable and intelligent)
 
2013-04-16 05:23:09 PM  

skullkrusher: I knew my farkie wasn't for naught

praxcelis (favorite: Reasonable and intelligent)


Depends on who you ask.  :)   My kids will tell you that you're half right.

/Which half depends on the day
//And what they're asking me for...
 
2013-04-16 06:48:55 PM  

what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".


Huh. I've been assured that guns are the Safeguard of Order and Liberty.
 
2013-04-16 07:41:56 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: I knew my farkie wasn't for naught

praxcelis (favorite: Reasonable and intelligent)

Depends on who you ask.  :)   My kids will tell you that you're half right.

/Which half depends on the day
//And what they're asking me for...


"Generous" is not an option, I guess... ;)
 
2013-04-16 08:30:45 PM  
www.rawstory.commedia-cache-ec4.pinterest.com

/amidoinitright?
 
2013-04-16 08:40:48 PM  
Dafuq?

i12.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-16 08:43:36 PM  
(Above woman reportedly died at both Sandy Hook and in Boston.)
 
2013-04-16 09:06:39 PM  
So, it looks like the thread is as follows:

The Democrat nuthuggers on 9/11: OMG BUSH FARKED UP! WHAT A DOLT! LOL!
The Democrat nuthuggers now: No way Obama farked up. It would just be pure derp to claim that!

Seriously, you can't have it both ways. IMO, neither president is responsible. Shiat happens
 
2013-04-16 09:08:28 PM  

lennavan: I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.


Bombings are so random that everyone is at risk.
Most gun deaths are more deliberate.

Incidentally, this is why hate crimes deserve additional incarceration.
 
2013-04-16 09:13:25 PM  
machoprogrammer: Seriously, you can't have it both ways. IMO, neither president is responsible. Shiat happens

Bush was warned.
But, I don't hold him personally responsible.
He is responsible for attacking Iraq afterward.

If Obama attacks Canada for this bombing, then I'll concede that both sides are bad.
 
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