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2013-04-16 10:55:18 AM  
didn't dana perino claim that once too? wtf is wrong with these people?
 
2013-04-16 10:56:31 AM  

FlashHarry: didn't dana perino claim that once too? wtf is wrong with these people?


So did Rudy "Captain 9/11" Guiliani.
 
2013-04-16 11:01:09 AM  
I'm a resident of Boston. I don't expect Barack Obama or Deval Patrick to keep me safe from some random nutter anymore than I expect the green line to run on time.

I've chosen to live my life in this way, in this place, and I- and hundreds of thousands of other Massholes- will not change our way of life because of this nutter.

I'm done being sad. I'm done being scared. This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.
 
2013-04-16 11:01:25 AM  
Pamela Geller @pamelagellerJihad in Boston: 12 dead, 50 injured ...... horrific Boston Marathon bombing

Facts all wrong and jumping to a conclusion.  Doesn't surprise me coming from that witch.
 
2013-04-16 11:06:49 AM  
Actually, I think it took less than 10 minutes
 
2013-04-16 11:07:31 AM  
so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?
 
2013-04-16 11:09:42 AM  

what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.


Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?
 
2013-04-16 11:10:38 AM  

ManateeGag: so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2000s
 
2013-04-16 11:13:22 AM  
Patrick Dollard @PatDollardGEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE FOR 8 YEARS AND ONCE AGAINBARACKOBAMA FAILS AS TERRORISTS BOMB BOSTON MARATHON

And yet he couldn't keep us safe from 9/11 in the first place, even when he had the intelligence to do so.

I have always found this line of thinking supremely perverse.
 
2013-04-16 11:21:22 AM  

Diogenes: Patrick Dollard @PatDollardGEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE FOR 8 7.5 YEARS AND ONCE AGAINBARACKOBAMA FAILS AS TERRORISTS BOMB BOSTON MARATHON


But math is not their strong suit.

// Ben
// ghazi
// potato it out
 
2013-04-16 11:24:55 AM  

the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?


I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".
 
2013-04-16 11:31:19 AM  
This is my shocked face
 
2013-04-16 11:37:16 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Actually, I think it took less than 10 minutes


Yeah, I seem to remember some blog posts about that yesterday afternoon.
 
2013-04-16 11:40:55 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Actually, I think it took less than 10 minutes


No, you're thinking of the blaming of B. HUSSEIN 0bama for the bombing. It took a bit longer than that for someone to say that Bush kept us safe from terrorism for 8 years.

/9/11 was Clinton's fault, so it doesn't count against Bush. Also, we have always been at war with Eastasia
//thanks for the month of TF,  BooBoo23
 
2013-04-16 11:41:33 AM  
That dude works for Breitbart.
 
2013-04-16 11:42:41 AM  

what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".


Now that's a cool library.
 
2013-04-16 11:42:44 AM  

Dr Dreidel: But math is not their strong suit.


You're allowed to round up to the nearest whole number.
 
2013-04-16 11:43:38 AM  

Diogenes: Pamela Geller @pamelagellerJihad in Boston: 12 dead, 50 injured ...... horrific Boston Marathon bombing

Facts all wrong and jumping to a conclusion.  Doesn't surprise me coming from that witch.


Have any of the usual folks started saying "There were 12 killed, NY Post said so, the Boston PD is still claiming only 3, WHAT ARE THE BPD HIDING?????" yet?
 
2013-04-16 11:44:36 AM  

ManateeGag: so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?


Sadly, it doesn't matter.  You can beat them over the head with that list.  You can carve every item on that list into their skin.  They will always forget because it's politically convenient for them to do so.

Why people still consider these willfully ignorant morons worthy of anyone's time says a hell of a lot about the current intellectual state of America as a whole.
 
2013-04-16 11:44:53 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Have any of the usual folks started saying "There were 12 killed, NY Post said so, the Boston PD is still claiming only 3, WHAT ARE THE BPD HIDING?????" yet?


Or:  "Why is the government lying about other bombs being found?"
 
2013-04-16 11:44:57 AM  
Is the prize one of those 9-11 commemorative coins?
 
2013-04-16 11:45:06 AM  
Bush "kept us safe for 8 years,"

meh
sounds like a troll
people dont really think this do they?
do they?

are they still allowed to vote? own scissors??
 
JRB
2013-04-16 11:45:47 AM  
Wait, so there WAS a security briefing a month ago around a memo saying that some group was determined to stage concerted trash bin bombings during high profile public events? Because someone ignorant of that level of specific threat certainly WOULD be pretty moronic.
 
2013-04-16 11:45:50 AM  
Erik Rush, Pamela Gellar, Jennifer Rubin, Alex Jones.

Yeah those people are total assholes.
 
2013-04-16 11:46:33 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Diogenes: Pamela Geller @pamelagellerJihad in Boston: 12 dead, 50 injured ...... horrific Boston Marathon bombing

Facts all wrong and jumping to a conclusion.  Doesn't surprise me coming from that witch.

Have any of the usual folks started saying "There were 12 killed, NY Post said so, the Boston PD is still claiming only 3, WHAT ARE THE BPD HIDING?????" yet?


Oh yes. I checked one of my other favorite web communities last night and they already had nutballs complaining of 'suspiciously cogent' eyewitness reports.
 
2013-04-16 11:46:56 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Diogenes: Pamela Geller @pamelagellerJihad in Boston: 12 dead, 50 injured ...... horrific Boston Marathon bombing

Facts all wrong and jumping to a conclusion.  Doesn't surprise me coming from that witch.

Have any of the usual folks started saying "There were 12 killed, NY Post said so, the Boston PD is still claiming only 3, WHAT ARE THE BPD HIDING?????" yet?


The government is hiding its secret resurrection technology.
 
2013-04-16 11:48:30 AM  

Esc7: Now that's a cool library.



When we find the guy, we will make him jump off the roof

blog.aia.org
 
2013-04-16 11:48:49 AM  
So, the mud-flinging has begun.
 
2013-04-16 11:49:32 AM  

RexTalionis: ManateeGag: so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#2000s


They don't count because Jesus.
 
2013-04-16 11:49:57 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: But math is not their strong suit.

You're allowed to round up to the nearest whole number.


If we're going to be pedantic, Jan-Sep 2001 is 8 months, meaning Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months. Closest whole number would be 7, not 8; I rounded to the nearest .5.

// ignoring that Bush was president for half a day on the 20th, and counting the "short month" from 20AUG-11SEP as 1
 
2013-04-16 11:50:14 AM  

the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?


because some places tend to have more children near them, esp during the day.
because some places have the veneer of being "safer". the grocery store, the safe neighborhood that you live in, church.

if you get mugged in a dark alley, in a gang infested area, late at night, walking alone, drunk; well no one is surprised. but when a bomb goes off in church on sunday, during sunday school; people think that this is the safest place on earth.

this is why terrorism is effective, it removes "safe" our regular lives.
 
2013-04-16 11:50:32 AM  

vernonFL: Erik Rush, Pamela Gellar, Jennifer Rubin, Alex Jones.

Yeah those people are total assholes.


With the exception of the last, before yesterday, I had never heard of any of those folks.   Maybe I live a privileged life.
 
2013-04-16 11:50:38 AM  

Aarontology: FlashHarry: didn't dana perino claim that once too? wtf is wrong with these people?

So did Rudy "Captain 9/11" Guiliani.


That's almost as perplexing as all the cross-dressing on SNL.
 
2013-04-16 11:51:22 AM  
During exactly which eight years did Bush keep us safe?

Sometime before 1492?
 
2013-04-16 11:51:40 AM  
Who the fark is Patrick Dullard?
 
2013-04-16 11:52:15 AM  

what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".


That library must be closed.
This incident will be used to remove even more rights and the masses will accept it.
 
2013-04-16 11:54:11 AM  

namatad: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

because some places tend to have more children near them, esp during the day.
because some places have the veneer of being "safer". the grocery store, the safe neighborhood that you live in, church.


And mostly because some places are supposed to be farkING QUIET. You're not even supposed to talk at the library, let alone blow shiat up.
 
2013-04-16 11:54:17 AM  
If you average the deaths due to the 9/11 attacks (2,977)out over his entire presidency, you'll see how safe we were.

He only had 1.02 deaths per day. That's pretty good.
 
2013-04-16 11:54:49 AM  

what_now: The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason. "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".


And both of the city's art museums are free for everyone today. I love this town.
 
2013-04-16 11:54:54 AM  

angrymonday: what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".

That library must be closed.
This incident will be used to remove even more rights and the masses will accept it.


Why would they close the library? Just because they can? To keep people from getting educated?
 
2013-04-16 11:55:25 AM  
We're lucky it wasn't an Iranian drone. If they followed our POTUS's standard operating procedure, the first responders on scene would have been "double tapped."

Disgusting? Why yes, it most certainly is.

Meanwhile, we focus on blathering bungholes and their finger pointing, and their quest for advertising revenue.
 
2013-04-16 11:57:39 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: When we find the guy, we will make him jump off the roof


I was more of a mind of giving him a lifetime of wiping the asses of the people who arms got blown off.
 
2013-04-16 11:57:59 AM  

Foundling: During exactly which eight years did Bush keep us safe?

Sometime before 1492?


Florida wasn't attacked once while Jeb was governor.

/I know. He specified 'George'. Maybe he's referring to HW's tenure as CIA Director.
//Nope. He's just a derp volcano in the midst of an eruption.
 
2013-04-16 11:58:43 AM  
Now, I am sure, the true culprit for 911 and the Boston Bomb will come forward to take responsibility:

THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE.

The I.N.S. actually stands for Institute of NATIONAL SUICIDE, as we see today.


/I'm sorry
 
2013-04-16 11:59:11 AM  
I can't wait until Fartbongo's National Security Advisor goes before Congress and testifies about why they ignored that presidential daily briefing memo from about a month ago that was entitled "[NAME OF PERSON RESPONSIBLE] DETERMINED TO ATTACK BOSTON MARATHON CROWD BY PLACING HOME MADE BOMBS AT FINISH LINE."  Of course, he's not as attractive as Condoleeza Rice, so it probably won't get any coverage on the liberal media when he does.
 
2013-04-16 11:59:23 AM  

Dr Dreidel: Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: But math is not their strong suit.

You're allowed to round up to the nearest whole number.

If we're going to be pedantic, Jan-Sep 2001 is 8 months, meaning Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months. Closest whole number would be 7, not 8; I rounded to the nearest .5.

// ignoring that Bush was president for half a day on the 20th, and counting the "short month" from 20AUG-11SEP as 1


oh_snap.jpg
 
2013-04-16 11:59:32 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Foundling: During exactly which eight years did Bush keep us safe?

Sometime before 1492?

Florida wasn't attacked once while Jeb was governor.

/I know. He specified 'George'. Maybe he's referring to HW's tenure as CIA Director.
//Nope. He's just a derp volcano in the midst of an eruption.


Hang on - I've got it.

George H.W. Bush (1 term)
George W. Bush (only counting 2nd term).

George Bush kept us safe for 8 years.
 
2013-04-16 11:59:45 AM  
Say, wasn't *Dead or Alive* OBL out of Kandahar, December, 2001? And then Bush held up sending the cavalry into Tora Bora, early, 2002? And a few weeks after that, Bush: OBL not that important anymore.
 
2013-04-16 12:00:26 PM  

the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?


Have you ever seen the Boston Public Library? It's a beautiful place, a giant piece of art and a civic treasure. I don't live in Boston, but I'd be shocked if that place wasn't sacred to Bostonians.
 
2013-04-16 12:00:26 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: But math is not their strong suit.

You're allowed to round up to the nearest whole number.

If we're going to be pedantic, Jan-Sep 2001 is 8 months, meaning Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months. Closest whole number would be 7, not 8; I rounded to the nearest .5.

// ignoring that Bush was president for half a day on the 20th, and counting the "short month" from 20AUG-11SEP as 1


Well, considering that he was on vacation half that time prior to 9/11, you could say that he only worked about 3 months until the bombing, so it's effectively Clinton's fault.
 
2013-04-16 12:00:31 PM  

what_now: I'm done being sad. I'm done being scared. This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.


As a resident of New York City, I can only say: "F*ck yeah."
 
2013-04-16 12:00:43 PM  

Dimensio: Pants full of macaroni!!: Diogenes: Pamela Geller @pamelagellerJihad in Boston: 12 dead, 50 injured ...... horrific Boston Marathon bombing

Facts all wrong and jumping to a conclusion.  Doesn't surprise me coming from that witch.

Have any of the usual folks started saying "There were 12 killed, NY Post said so, the Boston PD is still claiming only 3, WHAT ARE THE BPD HIDING?????" yet?

The government is hiding its secret resurrection technology.


That's because many of the Lazarus Pits pull a Pet Sematary on users.  I am given to understand, until the terrible bicycle accident on his twelfth birthday, despite his family connections, Li'l Dickie Cheney was quite a nice, gentle child with a soft voice who regularly cared for the neighborhood stray animals, stood up to bullies without using violence, and once organized a balloon fair for childhood leukemia patients.
 
2013-04-16 12:00:58 PM  

Lawyers With Nukes: We're lucky it wasn't an Iranian drone. If they followed our POTUS's standard operating procedure, the first responders on scene would have been "double tapped."

Disgusting? Why yes, it most certainly is.

Meanwhile, we focus on blathering bungholes and their finger pointing, and their quest for advertising revenue.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-16 12:01:28 PM  

angrymonday: This incident will be used to remove even more rights and the masses will accept it.


Good job avoiding the use of "sheeple." I can tell how difficult that was for you.
 
2013-04-16 12:01:47 PM  
There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.
 
2013-04-16 12:03:35 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: If you average the deaths due to the 9/11 attacks (2,977)out over his entire presidency, you'll see how safe we were.

He only had 1.02 deaths per day. That's pretty good.


Is that over the course of the 8 years he was in office or the 5.5 years of him working in office and not on vacation clearing brush on his ranch?
 
2013-04-16 12:03:58 PM  

lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.


But guns are FREEDOM.
 
2013-04-16 12:04:34 PM  
If the Iranians are involved, we will have another minor tragedy in the Senate Chamber when John McCain orgasms so hard that his body collapses in on itself like a dying star and the CSPAN cameras are there to capture it all.
 
2013-04-16 12:04:55 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: If you average the deaths due to the 9/11 attacks (2,977)out over his entire presidency, you'll see how safe we were.

He only had 1.02 deaths per day. That's pretty good.


You need to include the deaths from FEMA's gross mismanagement of Hurricane Katrina, as well as the American military and Iraqi civilian deaths that happened as a result of Operation Daddy Didn't Hug Me When I Was A Baby.

If you include those, the average is a bit higher than 1.02 deaths per day under Bush.

/and that's just counting the dead
//it doesn't include the injured
///or the trillions of dollars wasted
////including the pallets of cash that were sent there
 
2013-04-16 12:05:02 PM  

dericwater: rufus-t-firefly: If you average the deaths due to the 9/11 attacks (2,977)out over his entire presidency, you'll see how safe we were.

He only had 1.02 deaths per day. That's pretty good.

Is that over the course of the 8 years he was in office or the 5.5 years of him working in office and not on vacation clearing brush on his ranch?


Serious question here: now that GW Bush is "retired" and is learning how to paint. Does he ever go somewhere to clear brush? Does he still have that ranch and does he ever go there and clear any of the brush?
 
2013-04-16 12:05:09 PM  
I reiterate: there are going to be a LOT of folks looking to score points over the next few weeks, and slathering at the chance to do so, and it would be satisfying as f*ck if we didn't give them the satisfaction, by ignoring their DERP and putting it into perspective for them...
 
2013-04-16 12:05:17 PM  

skullkrusher: Who the fark is Patrick Dullard?


Patrick Dullard is that guy.
 
2013-04-16 12:06:04 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: namatad: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

because some places tend to have more children near them, esp during the day.
because some places have the veneer of being "safer". the grocery store, the safe neighborhood that you live in, church.

And mostly because some places are supposed to be farkING QUIET. You're not even supposed to talk at the library, let alone blow shiat up.


True.  Explosive emissions of any kind, be them pyrological, scatological, flatulent, or nocturnal, are STRONGLY frowned upon in all the libraries and churches I am familiar with.  However, since Library Science considers itself a service industry, there's usually a warning or two before being asked to leave, though churches have been known to be less forgiving.
 
2013-04-16 12:06:19 PM  
People said Bush was behind 9-11. Seriously. People are stupid.
 
2013-04-16 12:07:22 PM  

dericwater: rufus-t-firefly: If you average the deaths due to the 9/11 attacks (2,977)out over his entire presidency, you'll see how safe we were.

He only had 1.02 deaths per day. That's pretty good.

Is that over the course of the 8 years he was in office or the 5.5 years of him working in office and not on vacation clearing brush on his ranch?


Um...Uh...

Have you heard that Obama plays golf sometimes?

THAT IS AN OUTRAGE.
 
2013-04-16 12:07:28 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Actually, I think it took less than 10 minutes


Yup, shills were out in force right after I heard about it.
 
2013-04-16 12:07:48 PM  
Clearly we need to equip the runners with bombs of their own. The only response to a bomb is another bomb
 
2013-04-16 12:09:02 PM  
It's funny how the people who tell us to "never forget" always seem to forget.
 
2013-04-16 12:09:49 PM  

lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.


It's not a numbers thing. Remember the Beltway Sniper? 10 people shot in Washington, DC (and around) over 3 weeks. Not far off of the normal pace for DC. Yet it was much more frightening for people there than the usual run-of-the-mill violence. It's psychological and the run-of-the-mill shootings are generally concentrated in certain areas in an urban environment. No one expects people to die watching a marathon. Walking around bad parts of DC at night... not so surprising
 
2013-04-16 12:10:58 PM  
farking cowards. Bombing a charity jog.

Public beatings should be legal.
 
2013-04-16 12:11:01 PM  

The Why Not Guy: It's funny how the people who tell us to "never forget" always seem to forget.


knock knock
who's there?
9/11
9/11 who?
YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET!
 
2013-04-16 12:11:55 PM  
One day? It was pretty much instantly the most used comment on Facebook that I saw on most of the posted news articles.
 
2013-04-16 12:12:14 PM  

lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.


I think it's because people can rationalize away gun injuries/deaths.  Ignoring the accidents, people can, in their head (regardless of truthiness), blame the victim.  "Oh, you made poor life choices to be in a gang"... "Oh, you shouldn't have gone to that bar and started some shiat over a pool table"... "Oh you shouldn't be growing up poor in a bad neighborhood"... "shouldn't have slept with your husband's brother".

Gun violence is typically one on one (or a few).  Terrorism, by nature, is against many and indiscriminate, which means there doesn't have to be a (rationalized) reason in anyone's head for them to be a target.
 
2013-04-16 12:12:43 PM  

FlashHarry: The Why Not Guy: It's funny how the people who tell us to "never forget" always seem to forget.

knock knock
who's there?
9/11
9/11 who?
YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET!


I'm laughing so hard I'm crying eagle tears of glitter.
 
2013-04-16 12:12:57 PM  

palelizard: Pamela Geller @pamelageller Jihad in Boston: 12 dead, 50 injured


In a fairness, Pam has to work very hard keeping her cover. If anyone knew she was a top ranking Syrian Intelligence Officer she'd have to find other work.  She cried when Valerie Plame was outed.
 
2013-04-16 12:16:23 PM  
OK conservatives, we need to talk.  We, by which I mean the center and the left, let you have that one.  You're welcome.  We let you have that one not because we agreed with it, or thought it was even close to basic reality.  We let you have that one because we were all so very done with Bush and company.  The previous 8 years were traumatizing as hell to us.  Your man-child preznit absolutely drove this country into the ground.  The US was a flaming wreck when he turned the keys over to Obama.  Depression, jobs crisis, banking crisis, real estate crisis, two wars being lost.  We were done.  We were done with him, we were done fighting with you over him, we were done explaining to you how truly awful he was on every possible level.  We realized that you needed to have some shred of substance to hang your hat onto, to claim that you hadn't foisted a complete and total incompetent jackass onto the most powerful nation on Earth.  So when you claimed that he "kept America safe", we just rolled our eyes and just waited for Obama to take office.  We remember him totally ignoring the pre 9/11 warnings.  We remember how he didn't catch any of the anthrax mailers. We remember the multiple embassy attacks (but Benghazi!!). we remember Jim David Adkisson, Mohammed Reza, the Beltway Sniper, the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings, the LAX shootings, and all the people in Iraq that hate the US with every fibre of their being because the US killed their family members.

But if you really want to re-litigate this one, we're happy to do so.  No, he did not keep us safe, and fark you for even trying to whip that one past us.
 
2013-04-16 12:16:55 PM  
Patrick Dollard @PatDollardGEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE FOR 8 YEARS AND ONCE AGAINBARACKOBAMA FAILS AS TERRORISTS BOMB BOSTON MARATHON


Well his name is Dullard.
 
2013-04-16 12:17:36 PM  

lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.

lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.


Its 2013 and you don't understand terrorism.
 
2013-04-16 12:17:49 PM  
Bush "kept us* safe for 8 years,"

* "Us* does not apply to anyone in the Armed Forces, their families, dependents, friends, or any other person possibly impacted by adverse events in unnecessary, ill-conceived, and/or fraudulent military operations.**

** 'Us' also obviously does NOT include any of 'THEM',  those with the wrong religion, language, skin-tone, nationality, home address and/or attitude toward being invaded, bombed, droned, shot at, wounded, killed and/or displaced during afore mentioned unnecessary, ill-conceived and/or fraudulent military operations.
 
2013-04-16 12:19:00 PM  

BunkoSquad: what_now: The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason. "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".

And both of the city's art museums are free for everyone today. I love this town.


Srsly? I haven't been to the Gardiner in forever....
 
2013-04-16 12:19:34 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months.


Oh, really?
 
2013-04-16 12:19:49 PM  
The persistent gun violence in places like Chicago is part of a systemic problem with many factors, and usually happens out of sight of most people (willfully so in many cases). This was a bombing in a very public place during a highly publicized event. Of the hundreds injured, 20 or 30-something lost limbs. This is an uncommon occurrence, rather than a systemic problem. When it happens, it makes people realize "holy shiat, this can happen here."

I'm not saying it's right that we are shaken by sporadic terrorist attacks, but accept persistent gun violence as a matter of course, but I understand how it got like this. 

/the more cynical explanation, of course, is that violence isn't scary until it happens to white people
 
2013-04-16 12:19:52 PM  

what_now: Srsly? I haven't been to the Gardiner in forever....


Ugh. 2 out of 3. I meant the MFA and ICA.
 
2013-04-16 12:24:10 PM  

BunkoSquad: what_now: Srsly? I haven't been to the Gardiner in forever....

Ugh. 2 out of 3. I meant the MFA and ICA.


.....fail horn.
 
2013-04-16 12:25:03 PM  

Cyberluddite: I can't wait until Fartbongo's National Security Advisor goes before Congress and testifies about why they ignored that presidential daily briefing memo from about a month ago that was entitled "[NAME OF PERSON RESPONSIBLE] DETERMINED TO ATTACK BOSTON MARATHON CROWD BY PLACING HOME MADE BOMBS AT FINISH LINE."  Of course, he's not as attractive as Condoleeza Rice, so it probably won't get any coverage on the liberal media when he does.


Hey!

upload.wikimedia.org

Words can hurt!
 
2013-04-16 12:25:45 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Actually, I think it took less than 10 minutes


Yeah, the timestamp on the Tweet is 12:47 PM. What a farking dumbass... Well, Bush has about 1,000 times the death toll of Obama for terrorist attacks, so Obama definitely is worse than Bush. At least in the 'Getting-People-Killed-by-Terrorists department.
 
2013-04-16 12:27:18 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: But math is not their strong suit.

You're allowed to round up to the nearest whole number.

If we're going to be pedantic, Jan-Sep 2001 is 8 months, meaning Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months. Closest whole number would be 7, not 8; I rounded to the nearest .5.

// ignoring that Bush was president for half a day on the 20th, and counting the "short month" from 20AUG-11SEP as 1



So, you're just granting a pass on the Beltway Sniper attacks?  Maybe you should tell the 13 people that were gunned down that they were being kept safe.
 
2013-04-16 12:29:56 PM  
America was pretty safe until just after Bush the lesser gained the throne of the President.

Would the Saudis of destroyed the two towers if a Democratic had been President?

Would the world be safer if the CIA had not been created to fark it up?

If Christianity had not murdered millions of Middle Eastern people in the search for Jebus, would they not be so pissed off at Christians?

/Questions that no one is willing to ask in the mainline news.
//Time to have a clear talk on how the rightwing is getting more dangerous because of Foxnews and the Limbaughs of the U.S.
 
2013-04-16 12:30:45 PM  

Bermuda59: Is the prize one of those 9-11 commemorative coins?


I hope so!  You can tilt up the towers as they stood in all of their American glory.
Some call them tacky, but I say NAY.  Those are awesome!

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
9-11!
Never remember!
 
2013-04-16 12:34:06 PM  
ummm I seem to recall something like 4,000+ Americans being killed by "terrorists" that largely employed exactly this method of attack: improvised explosive devices.

The fact that under Bush we very conveniently had a delivery option where we'd send the Americans to the terrorists rather than making them come here doesn't in any way mitgate the body count or the president's responsibility
 
2013-04-16 12:35:02 PM  
I get the feeling I'm going to be deleting some people from Facebook.
 
2013-04-16 12:35:45 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Cyberluddite: I can't wait until Fartbongo's National Security Advisor goes before Congress and testifies about why they ignored that presidential daily briefing memo from about a month ago that was entitled "[NAME OF PERSON RESPONSIBLE] DETERMINED TO ATTACK BOSTON MARATHON CROWD BY PLACING HOME MADE BOMBS AT FINISH LINE."  Of course, he's not as attractive as Condoleeza Rice, so it probably won't get any coverage on the liberal media when he does.

Hey!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x333]

Words can hurt!


Well, Condoleeza Rice is a successful and attractive African American.

Except for that nasty gap-tooth thing she had. Yuck.
 
2013-04-16 12:36:05 PM  

Vodka Zombie: ManateeGag: so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?

Sadly, it doesn't matter.  You can beat them over the head with that list.  You can carve every item on that list into their skin.  They will always forget because it's politically convenient for them to do so.

Why people still consider these willfully ignorant morons worthy of anyone's time says a hell of a lot about the current intellectual state of America as a whole.


You should read The Republican Brain, it actually explains this pretty well. We map memories and beliefs through distinct neural pathways. Changing these beliefs actually requires your brain to rewire itself physically, destroying these old connections, and making new ones. It would explain a lot, actually.
 
2013-04-16 12:37:34 PM  

skullkrusher: Who the fark is Patrick Dullard?


Someone who conforms to truth in labeling laws?
 
2013-04-16 12:37:37 PM  
can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?
 
2013-04-16 12:39:10 PM  
So it's okay for George W. to come in from the cold and be embraced as a Republican again? 'Cause he sure was awfully preoccupied with oil painting the last 4 years.
 
2013-04-16 12:41:17 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Well, Condoleeza Rice is a successful and attractive African American.


I heard she got 99 problems...

..out of 100 on the final exam
 
2013-04-16 12:42:29 PM  
images.nationalgeographic.com
What America kept safe may look like.
 
2013-04-16 12:43:20 PM  

what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".


SO decoding these clues we can build a profile of the Bomber based on the symbolism of what he attacked and when:

He attacked on Patriot's day, in an area rich with revolutionary symbolismm,  so clearly he's an Anti-American foreigner.  His bombs went off at the 26th mile, which was dedicated to the 26 victims of Newtown, so clearly he's a gun-rights nut/Sandy Hook denier.  His attack occured on April 15th -tax day  so he must have hated paying taxes.  The bombs exploded right near all the international flags  so he hates furriners and the UN.  He attacked outside the oldest public library in the country so he clearly hates both books AND socialism, and of course he interfered with a SOX game, so obviously he's a Yankee fan.

Putting all that into the Bat computer clearly tells me we are looking a Fundamentalist Muslim jihadist Tea Party member, who is also a "young earth" creationist and a white supremacist...how hard can THAT guy be to find?
 
2013-04-16 12:43:49 PM  

midigod: Dr Dreidel: Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months.

Oh, really?


sabreWulf07: So, you're just granting a pass on the Beltway Sniper attacks? Maybe you should tell the 13 people that were gunned down that they were being kept safe.


I should have put "kept us safe" in quotes. It's a silly thing to say, and a sillier thing to believe. I also "forgot" anthrax (I saw Anthrax perform in February 2002 on a "We're Not Changing Our Name" tour - my little brother's first concert), and a host of other things.

// I live in DC, and the damn sniper ruined my 21st birthday
 
2013-04-16 12:45:31 PM  

Magorn: what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".

SO decoding these clues we can build a profile of the Bomber based on the symbolism of what he attacked and when:

He attacked on Patriot's day, in an area rich with revolutionary symbolismm,  so clearly he's an Anti-American foreigner.  His bombs went off at the 26th mile, which was dedicated to the 26 victims of Newtown, so clearly he's a gun-rights nut/Sandy Hook denier.  His attack occured on April 15th -tax day  so he must have hated paying taxes.  The bombs exploded right near all the international flags  so he hates furriners and the UN.  He attacked outside the oldest public library in the country so he clearly hates both books AND socialism, and of course he interfered with a SOX game, so obviously he's a Yankee fan.

Putting all that into the Bat computer clearly tells me we are looking a Fundamentalist Muslim jihadist Tea Party member, who is also a "young earth" creationist and a white supremacist...how hard can THAT guy be to find?


or just a Yankees fan. Those people are evil and stupid

/+1 for the post though
 
2013-04-16 12:46:53 PM  

Magorn: what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".

SO decoding these clues we can build a profile of the Bomber based on the symbolism of what he attacked and when:

He attacked on Patriot's day, in an area rich with revolutionary symbolismm,  so clearly he's an Anti-American foreigner.  His bombs went off at the 26th mile, which was dedicated to the 26 victims of Newtown, so clearly he's a gun-rights nut/Sandy Hook denier.  His attack occured on April 15th -tax day  so he must have hated paying taxes.  The bombs exploded right near all the international flags  so he hates furriners and the UN.  He attacked outside the oldest public library in the country so he clearly hates both books AND socialism, and of course he interfered with a SOX game, so obviously he's a Yankee fan.

Putting all that into the Bat computer clearly tells me we are looking a Fundamentalist Muslim jihadist Tea Party member, who is also a "young earth" creationist and a white supremacist...how hard can THAT guy be to find?


Lol. The Sox game was over, but other than that...
 
2013-04-16 12:47:45 PM  
They have to get out in front of it quick in case it was a teabagger.

Then the narrative shifts to how Obama pushed them to do it.
 
2013-04-16 12:55:58 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.

But guns are FREEDOM.



I don't really want that to be jacked by a guns discussion.  More of a "why is this so different than all of the other types of deaths" discussion.
 
2013-04-16 12:56:45 PM  

Dr Dreidel: If we're going to be pedantic, Jan-Sep 2001 is 8 months, meaning Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months. Closest whole number would be 7, not 8; I rounded to the nearest .5.

// ignoring that Bush was president for half a day on the 20th, and counting the "short month" from 20AUG-11SEP as 1


I was promised there would be no math.
 
2013-04-16 12:58:42 PM  

actualhuman: Pants full of macaroni!!: Diogenes: Pamela Geller @pamelagellerJihad in Boston: 12 dead, 50 injured ...... horrific Boston Marathon bombing

Facts all wrong and jumping to a conclusion.  Doesn't surprise me coming from that witch.

Have any of the usual folks started saying "There were 12 killed, NY Post said so, the Boston PD is still claiming only 3, WHAT ARE THE BPD HIDING?????" yet?

Oh yes. I checked one of my other favorite web communities last night and they already had nutballs complaining of 'suspiciously cogent' eyewitness reports.


What does that even mean?
 
2013-04-16 12:58:50 PM  

yeegrek: OK conservatives, we need to talk.  We, by which I mean the center and the left, let you have that one.  You're welcome.  We let you have that one not because we agreed with it, or thought it was even close to basic reality.  We let you have that one because we were all so very done with Bush and company.  The previous 8 years were traumatizing as hell to us.  Your man-child preznit absolutely drove this country into the ground.  The US was a flaming wreck when he turned the keys over to Obama.  Depression, jobs crisis, banking crisis, real estate crisis, two wars being lost.  We were done.  We were done with him, we were done fighting with you over him, we were done explaining to you how truly awful he was on every possible level.  We realized that you needed to have some shred of substance to hang your hat onto, to claim that you hadn't foisted a complete and total incompetent jackass onto the most powerful nation on Earth.  So when you claimed that he "kept America safe", we just rolled our eyes and just waited for Obama to take office.  We remember him totally ignoring the pre 9/11 warnings.  We remember how he didn't catch any of the anthrax mailers. We remember the multiple embassy attacks (but Benghazi!!). we remember Jim David Adkisson, Mohammed Reza, the Beltway Sniper, the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings, the LAX shootings, and all the people in Iraq that hate the US with every fibre of their being because the US killed their family members.

But if you really want to re-litigate this one, we're happy to do so.  No, he did not keep us safe, and fark you for even trying to whip that one past us.


This is probably the best, most readable, and most accurate summary of the whole situation that I've seen.  Nice job.  Please bring it to the TF political threads for a free month, and don't be a lurker!
 
2013-04-16 01:00:36 PM  

palelizard: lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.

I think it's because people can rationalize away gun injuries/deaths.  Ignoring the accidents, people can, in their head (regardless of truthiness), blame the victim.  "Oh, you made poor life choices to be in a gang"... "Oh, you shouldn't have gone to that bar and started some shiat over a pool table"... "Oh you shouldn't be growing up poor in a bad neighborhood"... "shouldn't have slept with your husband's brother".

Gun violence is typically one on one (or a few).  Terrorism, by nature, is against many and indiscriminate, which means there doesn't have to be a (rationalized) reason in anyone's head for them to be a target.


Yeah I think that's a really good point.  Maybe it's not just that people rationalize away but also you can tell yourself what you are doing differently to make yourself feel safe.  I think you may have hit that one on the head for what I was considering but wish you had left out the guns angle.  I didn't want it to be just about guns, it's more about what do we find shocking versus what we basically ignore.  So for instance, that's why the DC sniper or Sandy Hook shootings were so shocking.  They were against many and seemingly indiscriminate.
 
2013-04-16 01:02:08 PM  

skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?


I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.
 
2013-04-16 01:02:42 PM  

skullkrusher: lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.

It's not a numbers thing. Remember the Beltway Sniper? 10 people shot in Washington, DC (and around) over 3 weeks. Not far off of the normal pace for DC. Yet it was much more frightening for people there than the usual run-of-the-mill violence. It's psychological and the run-of-the-mill shootings are generally concentrated in certain areas in an urban environment. No one expects people to die watching a marathon. Walking around bad parts of DC at night... not so surprising



Whoops, I should have read this post before my previous one.  My bad.
 
2013-04-16 01:03:09 PM  
I have considered the outcome of the bombing, studying it out. While only three individuals died, more than one-hundred were injured, and many of them are afflicted with injuries that will remain with them for the rest of their lives.

As such, now more than one-hundred people will be facing substantial medical bills, and many of them will be facing those expenses for many years to come.

Obviously, then, this bombing was committed by an individual attempting to advocate health care reform.
 
2013-04-16 01:03:57 PM  
Turning this into party warfare is not good.

No sane person should say every attempt to cause trouble will be stopped.  No matter who is in the White House something will occasionally happen. It's flat-out impossible to keep 330,000,000+ people under surveillance.  Freaks will find ways to do something stupid.
 
2013-04-16 01:05:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.


you're also a decent human being on Fark. You are like a one-eyed, 6-toed Albino Black Mexican Eskimo Lesbian
 
2013-04-16 01:05:16 PM  

lennavan: rufus-t-firefly: lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.

But guns are FREEDOM.

I don't really want that to be jacked by a guns discussion.  More of a "why is this so different than all of the other types of deaths" discussion.


I suspect there's a psychological term for this, but I can't recall the name. Something like the law of squares maybe?

Those shootings in Chicago and across the country are typically small-scale events that only involve one casualty at a time. Supposing somebody knew about every single one of those gun attacks on a single day, you'd be affected by about 200 units, or one per attack.

In contrast, the Boston bombing was a massive event that created almost 200 casualties at once. You're affected by that one attack about 200*200=40,000 units.
 
2013-04-16 01:05:50 PM  

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.


There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.
 
2013-04-16 01:06:42 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.


yes there is
 
2013-04-16 01:07:10 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Dr Dreidel: If we're going to be pedantic, Jan-Sep 2001 is 8 months, meaning Bush kept us safe for 7 years, 4 months. Closest whole number would be 7, not 8; I rounded to the nearest .5.

// ignoring that Bush was president for half a day on the 20th, and counting the "short month" from 20AUG-11SEP as 1

I was promised there would be no math.


Was that a promise, or did you just believe what you wanted to believe?
 
2013-04-16 01:07:33 PM  

what_now: I'm a resident of Boston. I don't expect Barack Obama or Deval Patrick to keep me safe from some random nutter anymore than I expect the green line to run on time.

I've chosen to live my life in this way, in this place, and I- and hundreds of thousands of other Massholes- will not change our way of life because of this nutter.

I'm done being sad. I'm done being scared. This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.


You sir, you are awesome.
 
2013-04-16 01:08:15 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.


"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."  ~ can't remember who said it
 
2013-04-16 01:09:05 PM  

namatad: Bush "kept us safe for 8 years,"

meh
sounds like a troll
people dont really think this do they?
do they?

are they still allowed to vote? own scissors??


Yes, they do. There are quite a few people out there with a great mixture of insanity and stupidity.
 
2013-04-16 01:10:02 PM  

Epoch_Zero: There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.


There is no society in which you can be "assured against being blown to smithereens".
 
2013-04-16 01:10:43 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

Have you ever seen the Boston Public Library? It's a beautiful place, a giant piece of art and a civic treasure. I don't live in Boston, but I'd be shocked if that place wasn't sacred to Bostonians.


I've been wanting to go to Boston for a while, me being a Red Sox fan as far as I can remember, but also recently as I became an architect, and one interested in Renovation and Architectural Restoration.
 
2013-04-16 01:12:35 PM  
I blame FDR. Clearly he wanted the Boston Marathon Bombings to happen to get us into a war with ... someone. His deliberate inaction is to blame.
 
2013-04-16 01:12:52 PM  

skullkrusher: Who the fark is Patrick Dullard?

 
2013-04-16 01:13:46 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.


The reason is the necessary steps that must be taken in order to reduce the chances for this to happen down to 0 would be amazingly oppressive.  You'd have to pretty much ban sale of any material that can be used to make an explosive device.  Things like gasoline and matches.  You'd have to build walls at the borders with armed guards to ensure none make it in.  You'd have to inspect all cargo coming into the country, in cars, in boats, in trucks and so on.  That'd be on the bomb building end but even then it's gonna be tough to be 100% sure since terrorists might steal gasoline from places that we still allow to use it.

Timothy McVeigh drove a truck up to a building and blew it up.  Not sure yet on what laws/regulations we'll need to prevent that from happening.  It'll be rough though, for sure.
 
2013-04-16 01:15:04 PM  

dericwater: dericwater: rufus-t-firefly: If you average the deaths due to the 9/11 attacks (2,977)out over his entire presidency, you'll see how safe we were.

He only had 1.02 deaths per day. That's pretty good.

Is that over the course of the 8 years he was in office or the 5.5 years of him working in office and not on vacation clearing brush on his ranch?

Serious question here: now that GW Bush is "retired" and is learning how to paint. Does he ever go somewhere to clear brush? Does he still have that ranch and does he ever go there and clear any of the brush?


No.  The ranch was never anything more than a prop to boost his "real 'merkin" image for the rubes.  Obama had barely crossed the threshold of the White House before Bush dumped that place.  He bought a $2 million house in one of the fanciest neighborhoods in Dallas.  Anyone from Texas knows he was full of shiat from the beginning.  Nobody clears brush in Texas in August unless you're a farking moron.
 
2013-04-16 01:16:27 PM  
http://www.fark.com/comments/7702304/83644392#c83644392" target="_blank" data-cke-saved-href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7702304/83644392#c8 3644392">sheep snorter: America was pretty safe until just after Bush the lesser gained the throne of the President.

Would the Saudis of destroyed the two towers if a Democratic had been President?

Would the world be safer if the CIA had not been created to fark it up?

If Christianity had not murdered millions of Middle Eastern people in the search for Jebus, would they not be so pissed off at Christians?

/Questions that no one is willing to ask in the mainline news.
//Time to have a clear talk on how the rightwing is getting more dangerous because of Foxnews and the Limbaughs of the U.S.


I think the impetus for Bin Laden's whole movement has been discussed at least in the secondary media.

TLDR, We supported Iraq, Saddam wanted to invade Kuwait to get his money back, we gave him the go ahead then changed our minds, we placed a ton of troops in Saudi Arabia which the tards over there consider sacrilege, OBL decided that the Saudi government was not really muslim so wanted to restore the Caliphate in Afghanistan and hooked up with our old buddies the Taliban and Mujahadeen to get us out of the mid east.

We can say that the GW admin underestimated the threat or even bungled it, but we can't lay 9/11 at his feet. That was due to a mixture of aggressive/interventionist foreign policy. a cold war legacy, and a large group of fanatics.
 
2013-04-16 01:16:40 PM  
From a redlit thread last night, a list of bombings (just bombings, not planes, not guns, just bombs) from the first WTC to this year:

1993 - WTC attack

1994 - Unabomber

1995 - OKC

1996 - Olympic bombing

1998 - Abortion clinic bombing

2000 - Temple Beth El bombing

2002- 18 pipe bombs in mailboxes

2008 - Times square recruiting office

2008 - San Diego courthouse bombing

2008 - UC Santa Cruz firebombs were thrown at two researchers

2011 - MLK day parade (failed)
 
2013-04-16 01:17:16 PM  

CygnusDarius: You sir, you are awesome.


what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

MinkeyMan: Epoch_Zero: There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

There is no society in which you can be "assured against being blown to smithereens".


Well, a society where it is unthinkably rare. Mister technical.

Pants full of macaroni!!: "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."  ~ can't remember who said it


"We live in colonial times and are huge idealogues" - some old guy who wrote some deep shiat

skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

yes there is


Nope. No excuse for it.
 
2013-04-16 01:18:41 PM  

Epoch_Zero: CygnusDarius: You sir, you are awesome.

what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

MinkeyMan: Epoch_Zero: There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

There is no society in which you can be "assured against being blown to smithereens".

Well, a society where it is unthinkably rare. Mister technical.

Pants full of macaroni!!: "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."  ~ can't remember who said it

"We live in colonial times and are huge idealogues" - some old guy who wrote some deep shiat

skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

yes there is

Nope. No excuse for it.


stop trolling dude
 
2013-04-16 01:19:11 PM  
This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe
 
2013-04-16 01:19:36 PM  

pdee: Patrick Dollard @PatDollardGEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE FOR 8 YEARS AND ONCE AGAINBARACKOBAMA FAILS AS TERRORISTS BOMB BOSTON MARATHON

Well his name is Dullard.


You don't know the half of it.

Every muslem foreign national should be sent home.
Retweeted by Patrick Dollard

@BarackObama and the DHS have spent their entire time hunting for Right Wing Domestic terrorists & of course Muslims blow up Boston Marathon

@BarackObama is basically the co-bomber in yesterday's #BostonMarathon attack because of his weak anti-Islamic terror policies.

The U.S. has many things in common with the Roman Empire, and the bloody persecution of Christians is about to become one of them.
 
2013-04-16 01:20:50 PM  

patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe


*hair ruffle*

now run along
 
2013-04-16 01:20:56 PM  

Epoch_Zero: CygnusDarius: You sir, you are awesome.

what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

MinkeyMan: Epoch_Zero: There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

There is no society in which you can be "assured against being blown to smithereens".

Well, a society where it is unthinkably rare. Mister technical.

Pants full of macaroni!!: "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."  ~ can't remember who said it

"We live in colonial times and are huge idealogues" - some old guy who wrote some deep shiat

skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

yes there is

Nope. No excuse for it.


Please describe, specifically, how bombings may be infallibly averted without implementation of authoritarian policies.
 
2013-04-16 01:21:22 PM  

Epoch_Zero: CygnusDarius: You sir, you are awesome.

what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

MinkeyMan: Epoch_Zero: There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

There is no society in which you can be "assured against being blown to smithereens".

Well, a society where it is unthinkably rare. Mister technical.

Pants full of macaroni!!: "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."  ~ can't remember who said it

"We live in colonial times and are huge idealogues" - some old guy who wrote some deep shiat

skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.

yes there is

Nope. No excuse for it.


Alrighty then. Why do you give us a quick run down on how the utopia of yours could happen?
 
2013-04-16 01:21:28 PM  
what_now, I change my comment from sir to ma'am, haven't checked the profile until now.
 
2013-04-16 01:21:51 PM  

patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe


Are you so sure they were innocent? How do you define that anyway?

Innocents die in war, but I'd much rather their innocents die than ours.
 
2013-04-16 01:22:02 PM  

dgunthert: dericwater: dericwater: rufus-t-firefly: If you average the deaths due to the 9/11 attacks (2,977)out over his entire presidency, you'll see how safe we were.

He only had 1.02 deaths per day. That's pretty good.

Is that over the course of the 8 years he was in office or the 5.5 years of him working in office and not on vacation clearing brush on his ranch?

Serious question here: now that GW Bush is "retired" and is learning how to paint. Does he ever go somewhere to clear brush? Does he still have that ranch and does he ever go there and clear any of the brush?

No.  The ranch was never anything more than a prop to boost his "real 'merkin" image for the rubes.  Obama had barely crossed the threshold of the White House before Bush dumped that place.  He bought a $2 million house in one of the fanciest neighborhoods in Dallas.  Anyone from Texas knows he was full of shiat from the beginning.  Nobody clears brush in Texas in August unless you're a farking moron.


And it wasn't even a ranch - he didn't have any cattle.

It was a pig farm before he bought it for his presidential run. Reagan had a ranch, so he needed one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_Chapel_Ranch
 
2013-04-16 01:22:28 PM  

Cyberluddite: This is probably the best, most readable, and most accurate summary of the whole situation that I've seen.  Nice job.  Please bring it to the TF political threads for a free month, and don't be a lurker!


Many thanks, Cyberluddite.  Much appreciated!
 
2013-04-16 01:23:10 PM  
I just want to point out that the comments on fark, even the derpiest are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the comments on boston.com.

In other news, there is a blood donation van outside my office. I thought it was because of yesterday, but it turns out its a coincidence- today is just its day to hang out with us.
 
2013-04-16 01:23:40 PM  

skullkrusher: stop trolling dude


If I was trolling, you'd know it. I don't troll very well. I go way overboard to the point where it's obvious.
 
2013-04-16 01:23:51 PM  

nocturnal001: patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe

Are you so sure they were innocent? How do you define that anyway?

Innocents die in war, but I'd much rather their innocents die than ours.


and if ALL their innocents die, well then, war over
 
2013-04-16 01:24:18 PM  
well that was just yesterday, a entire year by American memory standards.

today the big story is Conservative Teajadist victimization & the attack on the peaceful patriotic right by meanie Leftist goons with t.v. shows.
 
2013-04-16 01:24:20 PM  

Epoch_Zero: what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.


...not sure if compliment....?
 
2013-04-16 01:24:32 PM  

Epoch_Zero: skullkrusher: stop trolling dude

If I was trolling, you'd know it. I don't troll very well. I go way overboard to the point where it's obvious.


you're going overboard in suggesting we can live with guarantees of safety from bombing while being a free society
 
2013-04-16 01:25:38 PM  

Isitoveryet: well that was just yesterday, a entire year by American memory standards.

today the big story is Conservative Teajadist victimization & the attack on the peaceful patriotic right by meanie Leftist goons with t.v. shows.


where?
 
2013-04-16 01:25:50 PM  

what_now: Epoch_Zero: what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

...not sure if compliment....?


I just heard the roar of a thousand Farkies being updated.
 
2013-04-16 01:27:33 PM  

skullkrusher: nocturnal001: patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe

Are you so sure they were innocent? How do you define that anyway?

Innocents die in war, but I'd much rather their innocents die than ours.

and if ALL their innocents die, well then, war over


The math is hard for sure. Kill enough of the bad ones, without creating too many new enemies.

I don't envy anyone who has to make these choices. It's not like we can just walk into Pakistan and arrest these guys.
 
2013-04-16 01:28:08 PM  

nocturnal001: skullkrusher: nocturnal001: patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe

Are you so sure they were innocent? How do you define that anyway?

Innocents die in war, but I'd much rather their innocents die than ours.

and if ALL their innocents die, well then, war over

The math is hard for sure. Kill enough of the bad ones, without creating too many new enemies.

I don't envy anyone who has to make these choices. It's not like we can just walk into Pakistan and arrest these guys.


I was just foolin on ya
 
2013-04-16 01:29:29 PM  

what_now: I just want to point out that the comments on fark, even the derpiest are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the comments on boston.com.

In other news, there is a blood donation van outside my office. I thought it was because of yesterday, but it turns out its a coincidence- today is just its day to hang out with us.


I'm sorry, but is that really wise?  Yesterday was my first Patriots' Day since moving here, and I know how drunk I was yesterday, along with everyone around me.  I don't think I have donation-worthy blood right now - does any Bostonian?
 
2013-04-16 01:30:09 PM  

skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: skullkrusher: stop trolling dude

If I was trolling, you'd know it. I don't troll very well. I go way overboard to the point where it's obvious.

you're going overboard in suggesting we can live with guarantees of safety from bombing while being a free society


Nah, just clinging to my last shred of faith in humanity.

what_now: Epoch_Zero: what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

...not sure if compliment....?


One of the Boobiess you made that I happened to read was prefaced with "As a vagina-american..."
 
2013-04-16 01:30:16 PM  

skullkrusher: Isitoveryet: well that was just yesterday, a entire year by American memory standards.

today the big story is Conservative Teajadist victimization & the attack on the peaceful patriotic right by meanie Leftist goons with t.v. shows.

where?



the Wilkow Majority so far & NTM there were some hints from .... what's that guys name... Mr. Producers boss.... mark Levine?
 
2013-04-16 01:30:27 PM  
Life is sacred. All life is sacred, but when we get 'closer to home', we feel more protective of our own kind than others in such a way that, for a moment, other tragedies don't matter.

Such is our nature, for better or worse. These same people that can only feel bad for the Boston Bombs may feel just as bad for any other disaster, or war casualty.
 
2013-04-16 01:32:12 PM  

MinkeyMan: Why do you give us a quick run down on how the utopia of yours could happen?


Don't be a dick.

I wasn't calling you a dick, that's simply how. Stop being dicks.

Dimensio: Please describe, specifically, how bombings may be infallibly averted without implementation of authoritarian policies.


Not making bombs in the first place. There are much more important issues that require our attention.
 
2013-04-16 01:32:17 PM  
In all fairness, Bush didn't really make us any  less safe, either.  Unless you're a soldier, in which case you're taking a paycheck specifically not to be safe, with lifetime medical benefits specifically assuming you likely won't be... so my sympathy on that one is a bit limited.

Cyberluddite: I can't wait until Fartbongo's National Security Advisor goes before Congress and testifies about why they ignored that presidential daily briefing memo from about a month ago that was entitled "[NAME OF PERSON RESPONSIBLE] DETERMINED TO ATTACK BOSTON MARATHON CROWD BY PLACING HOME MADE BOMBS AT FINISH LINE."  Of course, he's not as attractive as Condoleeza Rice, so it probably won't get any coverage on the liberal media when he does.


That would be a really useful memo to have.  You realize that the WTC memo you're referencing had a list of a couple dozen places and a time window of "sometime after 1997" or something absurdly general like that, though, right?  It's on the order of me telling you that there will be a murder in New York City sometime in the next five years and then attempting to hold you responsible when that happens (statistically, it will) because "I warned you".
 
2013-04-16 01:33:17 PM  

Epoch_Zero: skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: skullkrusher: stop trolling dude

If I was trolling, you'd know it. I don't troll very well. I go way overboard to the point where it's obvious.

you're going overboard in suggesting we can live with guarantees of safety from bombing while being a free society

Nah, just clinging to my last shred of faith in humanity.

what_now: Epoch_Zero: what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

...not sure if compliment....?

One of the Boobiess you made that I happened to read was prefaced with "As a vagina-american..."


Lol. That sounds like me.
 
2013-04-16 01:34:00 PM  

BunkoSquad: what_now: Epoch_Zero: what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

...not sure if compliment....?

I just heard the roar of a thousand Farkies being updated.


People have some very strange farkies for me. I think my favorite may be "Satan's Whore" which is what someone once called me in an evolution thread, before I stopped going into evolution threads.
 
2013-04-16 01:35:18 PM  
Anthrax, DC Sniper....
 
2013-04-16 01:35:21 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: what_now: I just want to point out that the comments on fark, even the derpiest are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the comments on boston.com.

In other news, there is a blood donation van outside my office. I thought it was because of yesterday, but it turns out its a coincidence- today is just its day to hang out with us.

I'm sorry, but is that really wise?  Yesterday was my first Patriots' Day since moving here, and I know how drunk I was yesterday, along with everyone around me.  I don't think I have donation-worthy blood right now - does any Bostonian?


Well.. we had to work yesterday, and those who didn't sobered up in a hurry yesterday.
 
2013-04-16 01:35:34 PM  

Diogenes: Patrick Dollard @PatDollardGEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE FOR 8 YEARS AND ONCE AGAINBARACKOBAMA FAILS AS TERRORISTS BOMB BOSTON MARATHON

And yet he couldn't keep us safe from 9/11 in the first place, even when he had the intelligence to do so.

I have always found this line of thinking supremely perverse.


Also: what exactly is the "once again"?? Have there been numerous terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 5 years that I've been unaware of?
 
2013-04-16 01:38:30 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Nah, just clinging to my last shred of faith in humanity.


oh, so you're saying we SHOULD be able to live in a free society without bombings, not that it's possible. Well ok. Nice sentiment but it clearly isn't for real
 
2013-04-16 01:38:35 PM  
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-16 01:39:53 PM  

Isitoveryet: skullkrusher: Isitoveryet: well that was just yesterday, a entire year by American memory standards.

today the big story is Conservative Teajadist victimization & the attack on the peaceful patriotic right by meanie Leftist goons with t.v. shows.

where?


the Wilkow Majority so far & NTM there were some hints from .... what's that guys name... Mr. Producers boss.... mark Levine?


so professional shiatstirrers responding to whom? Who are the "Leftist goons"?
 
2013-04-16 01:40:02 PM  

skullkrusher: nocturnal001: skullkrusher: nocturnal001: patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe

Are you so sure they were innocent? How do you define that anyway?

Innocents die in war, but I'd much rather their innocents die than ours.

and if ALL their innocents die, well then, war over

The math is hard for sure. Kill enough of the bad ones, without creating too many new enemies.

I don't envy anyone who has to make these choices. It's not like we can just walk into Pakistan and arrest these guys.

I was just foolin on ya


I figured as much.
 
2013-04-16 01:40:54 PM  

FlashHarry: [i50.tinypic.com image 435x502]


upload.wikimedia.org
/downvote
 
2013-04-16 01:42:33 PM  

what_now: AdmirableSnackbar: what_now: I just want to point out that the comments on fark, even the derpiest are LIGHT YEARS ahead of the comments on boston.com.

In other news, there is a blood donation van outside my office. I thought it was because of yesterday, but it turns out its a coincidence- today is just its day to hang out with us.

I'm sorry, but is that really wise?  Yesterday was my first Patriots' Day since moving here, and I know how drunk I was yesterday, along with everyone around me.  I don't think I have donation-worthy blood right now - does any Bostonian?

Well.. we had to work yesterday, and those who didn't sobered up in a hurry yesterday.


True, I keep forgetting that yesterday was supposed to be a work day and I just took the day off to go to the game.
 
2013-04-16 01:43:39 PM  

skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: Nah, just clinging to my last shred of faith in humanity.

oh, so you're saying we SHOULD be able to live in a free society without bombings, not that it's possible. Well ok. Nice sentiment but it clearly isn't for real


Sure it's possible. It would require paradigm shifts in almost every aspect of living that we know of, but it's possible. Our current system hasn't been working out all that well anyway.
 
2013-04-16 01:47:03 PM  
12 embassy attacks under Bush.

3 under Obama.

Thanks for keeping everyone safe, Bush!
 
2013-04-16 01:50:20 PM  

skullkrusher: FlashHarry: [i50.tinypic.com image 435x502]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x283]
/downvote


11.5 years when converted to Fark years = too soon.
 
2013-04-16 01:52:53 PM  
The guy's name is Dullard?

/close enough
 
2013-04-16 01:52:55 PM  

coeyagi: skullkrusher: FlashHarry: [i50.tinypic.com image 435x502]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x283]
/downvote

11.5 years when converted to Fark years = too soon.


unfunny shiat is just unfunny. You know all about that though
 
2013-04-16 01:53:53 PM  

HeartBurnKid: [images.nationalgeographic.com image 435x502]
What America kept safe may look like.


That was Clinton's fault. You know God punishes oral sex.
 
2013-04-16 01:54:53 PM  

skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: FlashHarry: [i50.tinypic.com image 435x502]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x283]
/downvote

11.5 years when converted to Fark years = too soon.

unfunny shiat is just unfunny. You know all about that though


The "Your sh*t ain't funny" response will really get you pretty far at Open Mic night though.
 
2013-04-16 01:55:54 PM  

Epoch_Zero: skullkrusher: Epoch_Zero: Nah, just clinging to my last shred of faith in humanity.

oh, so you're saying we SHOULD be able to live in a free society without bombings, not that it's possible. Well ok. Nice sentiment but it clearly isn't for real

Sure it's possible. It would require paradigm shifts in almost every aspect of living that we know of, but it's possible. Our current system hasn't been working out all that well anyway.


I really don't see how.  Israel has very much arranged their society around these types of threats and is still unable to block them all. I'd say it would require an army of bomb/weapon sniffing robots to be constantly on patrol, or a ridiculously huge police infrastructure with a blank check to spy on their citizens. (that second one isn't working out so well lately, Zing!)
 
2013-04-16 02:00:33 PM  
In a cynical world one can expect that shameless a-holes will exploit any tragedy for political points.

In a farcical world one can expect the above, but with said exploitation being fact-free as well.

ifeellikeimtakingcrazypills.jpg
 
2013-04-16 02:00:35 PM  

skullkrusher: coeyagi: skullkrusher: FlashHarry: [i50.tinypic.com image 435x502]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 314x283]
/downvote

11.5 years when converted to Fark years = too soon.

unfunny shiat is just unfunny. You know all about that though


Meanwhile, in Runner Up Korea...
www.theblaze.com
 
2013-04-16 02:01:22 PM  

namatad: Bush "kept us safe for 8 years,"

meh
sounds like a troll
people dont really think this do they?
do they?

are they still allowed to vote? own scissors??


No, they don't THINK it. They just repeat it like a mantra whenever the situation calls for it. There is no thinking involved.
 
2013-04-16 02:06:20 PM  

skullkrusher: unfunny shiat is just unfunny. You know all about that though


my point is, this asshole claims bush kept us safe for his entire presidency. this is patent bullshiat. and anyone who denies 9/11 should probably drown in an ocean of dicks.
 
2013-04-16 02:06:28 PM  

skullkrusher: so professional shiatstirrers responding to whom? Who are the "Leftist goons"?


yes, shiatstirrers. I didn't recognize the name of the person being referred to, and i can't find any transcripts.

/I am suck
//it shall surface eventually
 
2013-04-16 02:09:29 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Have there been numerous terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 5 years that I've been unaware of?


Remember the underwear bomber?  There was a lot of colossal shiatting going on about him, both faux and real.  I'm assuming that Patrick Dollard will also be counting Ft. Hood, and possibly all of the goofy plans where some dude was  going to stuff a pineapple full of c4 and throw it at the Golden Gate Bridge as well.
 
2013-04-16 02:11:19 PM  

what_now: I'm a resident of Boston. I don't expect Barack Obama or Deval Patrick to keep me safe from some random nutter anymore than I expect the green line to run on time.

I've chosen to live my life in this way, in this place, and I- and hundreds of thousands of other Massholes- will not change our way of life because of this nutter.

I'm done being sad. I'm done being scared. This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.


You know who made the trains run on time?
 
2013-04-16 02:12:51 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Diogenes: Patrick Dollard @PatDollardGEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE FOR 8 YEARS AND ONCE AGAINBARACKOBAMA FAILS AS TERRORISTS BOMB BOSTON MARATHON

And yet he couldn't keep us safe from 9/11 in the first place, even when he had the intelligence to do so.

I have always found this line of thinking supremely perverse.

Also: what exactly is the "once again"?? Have there been numerous terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 5 years that I've been unaware of?


Presumably he has failed at EVERY SINGLE THING HE'S EVER DONE.
 
2013-04-16 02:17:54 PM  

what_now: Epoch_Zero: what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

...not sure if compliment....?


commenterette
 
2013-04-16 02:18:20 PM  

FlashHarry: skullkrusher: unfunny shiat is just unfunny. You know all about that though

my point is, this asshole claims bush kept us safe for his entire presidency. this is patent bullshiat. and anyone who denies 9/11 should probably drown in an ocean of dicks.


so make that point without being a douche
 
2013-04-16 02:26:18 PM  
I got this turd dropped on my facebook page within a few hours of the bombing, along with a dingleberry link to a fox news article.

"How far will they go to get gun control and to take our right to bear arms away? They continue to deceive us and create fear/terror. Trust your present government...Hell No!"

How the HELL can people be so goddamned stupid?
 
2013-04-16 02:27:04 PM  

what_now: I'm a resident of Boston. I don't expect Barack Obama or Deval Patrick to keep me safe from some random nutter anymore than I expect the green line to run on time.

I've chosen to live my life in this way, in this place, and I- and hundreds of thousands of other Massholes- will not change our way of life because of this nutter.

I'm done being sad. I'm done being scared. This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.


This.

/We're all Massholes today.
//Seriously, yesterday was a wicked pissah
///I'm glad that you had to work and, thus, were unable to be at the marathon
 
2013-04-16 02:28:19 PM  

skullkrusher: Remember the Beltway Sniper? 10 people shot in Washington, DC (and around) over 3 weeks. Not far off of the normal pace for DC.


csb

My wife's cousin was (is?) the SWAT officer that apprehended those farkers... well, at least the lead guy on the team that apprehended them. He was interviewed on a show on History channel (I think) about it.

/csb

/not so csb... poor bastard has cancer now :(
 
2013-04-16 02:28:28 PM  

teeny: I got this turd dropped on my facebook page within a few hours of the bombing, along with a dingleberry link to a fox news article.

"How far will they go to get gun control and to take our right to bear arms away? They continue to deceive us and create fear/terror. Trust your present government...Hell No!"

How the HELL can people be so goddamned stupid?


Whatever you do don't go to YouTube and do a search of Boston Marathon False Flag.
 
2013-04-16 02:28:33 PM  

actualhuman: Now, I am sure, the true culprit for 911 and the Boston Bomb will come forward to take responsibility:

THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE.

The I.N.S. actually stands for Institute of NATIONAL SUICIDE, as we see today.


/I'm sorry


The INS became the USCIS years ago anyway.
 
2013-04-16 02:30:49 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Empty Matchbook: Diogenes: Patrick Dollard @PatDollardGEORGE BUSH KEPT US SAFE FOR 8 YEARS AND ONCE AGAINBARACKOBAMA FAILS AS TERRORISTS BOMB BOSTON MARATHON

And yet he couldn't keep us safe from 9/11 in the first place, even when he had the intelligence to do so.

I have always found this line of thinking supremely perverse.

Also: what exactly is the "once again"?? Have there been numerous terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 5 years that I've been unaware of?

Presumably he has failed at EVERY SINGLE THING HE'S EVER DONE.


Except for the things we don't like, for those things he has been a diabolical mastermind!
 
2013-04-16 02:30:54 PM  

Jackson Herring: what_now: Epoch_Zero: what_now is one of the most respected vagina-americans on fark.

...not sure if compliment....?

commenterette


media.screened.com

// don't use unlisted walls
 
2013-04-16 02:31:58 PM  

actualhuman: Now, I am sure, the true culprit for 911 and the Boston Bomb will come forward to take responsibility:

THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE.

The I.N.S. actually stands for Institute of NATIONAL SUICIDE, as we see today.


/I'm sorry


From that link:

hooded man who left the area before the blasts...

FBI has released a picture of the perp...


www.armoryblog.com

/Stay classy, Freepers!
 
2013-04-16 02:36:24 PM  
skullkrusher:

Remember the Beltway Sniper? 10 people shot in Washington, DC (and around) over 3 weeks. Not far off of the normal pace for DC.

I'm not sure I would consider the Beltway Sniper incident as terrorism, any more than I'd consider the BK Killer or Son of Sam to be terrorists. It was a psychopath and his equally deranged catamite going on a killing spree. They didn't make any demands, they had no clear motives. Even Jack The Ripper at least was trying to get *some* message across.

I worked in Lanham at the time when one of the shootings occurred and I'll admit that it was a little creepy going out on the loading dock for a smoke in full view of Rt. 50 during that time, but it was pretty obvious at the time it was more a "batshiat crazy bastard" rather than someone trying to make a statement.

/ CS,B: My co-worker and I rode in every day in a white service van, and were driving home listening to the radio when they announced that the prime suspect vehicle was a white service van.
 
2013-04-16 02:36:32 PM  

yeegrek: OK conservatives, we need to talk.  We, by which I mean the center and the left, let you have that one.  You're welcome.  We let you have that one not because we agreed with it, or thought it was even close to basic reality.  We let you have that one because we were all so very done with Bush and company.  The previous 8 years were traumatizing as hell to us.  Your man-child preznit absolutely drove this country into the ground.  The US was a flaming wreck when he turned the keys over to Obama.  Depression, jobs crisis, banking crisis, real estate crisis, two wars being lost.  We were done.  We were done with him, we were done fighting with you over him, we were done explaining to you how truly awful he was on every possible level.  We realized that you needed to have some shred of substance to hang your hat onto, to claim that you hadn't foisted a complete and total incompetent jackass onto the most powerful nation on Earth.  So when you claimed that he "kept America safe", we just rolled our eyes and just waited for Obama to take office.  We remember him totally ignoring the pre 9/11 warnings.  We remember how he didn't catch any of the anthrax mailers. We remember the multiple embassy attacks (but Benghazi!!). we remember Jim David Adkisson, Mohammed Reza, the Beltway Sniper, the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings, the LAX shootings, and all the people in Iraq that hate the US with every fibre of their being because the US killed their family members.

But if you really want to re-litigate this one, we're happy to do so.  No, he did not keep us safe, and fark you for even trying to whip that one past us.


Epic smackdown!
 
2013-04-16 02:41:31 PM  

Magorn: what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".

SO decoding these clues we can build a profile of the Bomber based on the symbolism of what he attacked and when:

He attacked on Patriot's day, in an area rich with revolutionary symbolismm,  so clearly he's an Anti-American foreigner.  His bombs went off at the 26th mile, which was dedicated to the 26 victims of Newtown, so clearly he's a gun-rights nut/Sandy Hook denier.  His attack occured on April 15th -tax day  so he must have hated paying taxes.  The bombs exploded right near all the international flags  so he hates furriners and the UN.  He attacked outside the oldest public library in the country so he clearly hates both books AND socialism, and of course he interfered with a SOX game, so obviously he's a Yankee fan.

Putting all that into the Bat computer clearly tells me we are looking a Fundamentalist Muslim jihadist Tea Party member, who is also a "young earth" creationist and a white supremacist...how hard can THAT guy be to find?


Better call Markoff Cheney.
 
2013-04-16 02:53:39 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: lennavan: There are an awful lot of news stories and attention paid to the Boston Marathon bombing, where (144? 176?) people were injured and 3 people died.  That was terror, demanded an immediate response and a statement from the POTUS.

Last weekend 26 people were shot in Chicago and 4 of them died.  235 people are shot and 33 people are murdered (on average) every day in the US.

I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.  It sure seems like we tolerate an awful lot of some sorts of violence whereas other types are super outrageous scary.

But guns are FREEDOM.


Every one of those people should be considered a national hero, because if this was the gunless utopia the gun grabbers want, they wouldn't have been shot, therefore they gave their lives for RKBA for the rest of us.

/Thanks, patriotic martyrs
 
2013-04-16 02:55:45 PM  
Limbaugh was asking the question today, after a lengthy recap of the Bill Ayers narrative, why nobody was asking if this was a left-wing group?

Um, because left-wing groups haven't been threatening or insinuating the need for insurrection and violence since day one of the black guy's term as president?
 
2013-04-16 03:03:30 PM  
It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.
 
2013-04-16 03:04:00 PM  
Amazing how there are still apologies for the frightening Bush years. I would imagine anyone making them has something to gain by having that kind of paranoid incompetent force dominating our government and society.
 
2013-04-16 03:04:33 PM  

VitruvianMonkey: Limbaugh was asking the question today, after a lengthy recap of the Bill Ayers narrative, why nobody was asking if this was a left-wing group?

Um, because left-wing groups haven't been threatening or insinuating the need for insurrection and violence since day one of the black guy's term as president?


One of the freepers in actualhuman's link mentioned that the attack took place on  "African Freedom Day."

But according to the link the freeper posted:

On the 25th of May 1963, thirty-one African Heads of state convened a summit meeting to found the Organization of African Unity (OAU). They renamed African Freedom Day "African Liberation Day" and changed its date to May 25th.

http://www.africanliberationday.net/node/1

/I guess he should've studied it out.
 
2013-04-16 03:07:57 PM  
Vodka Zombie: .... You can carve every item on that list into their skin.  ....


Why yes please, I'd love to!  With a push pin.
 
2013-04-16 03:08:10 PM  

yeegrek: OK conservatives, we need to talk.  We, by which I mean the center and the left, let you have that one.  You're welcome.  We let you have that one not because we agreed with it, or thought it was even close to basic reality.  We let you have that one because we were all so very done with Bush and company.  The previous 8 years were traumatizing as hell to us.  Your man-child preznit absolutely drove this country into the ground.  The US was a flaming wreck when he turned the keys over to Obama.  Depression, jobs crisis, banking crisis, real estate crisis, two wars being lost.  We were done.  We were done with him, we were done fighting with you over him, we were done explaining to you how truly awful he was on every possible level.  We realized that you needed to have some shred of substance to hang your hat onto, to claim that you hadn't foisted a complete and total incompetent jackass onto the most powerful nation on Earth.  So when you claimed that he "kept America safe", we just rolled our eyes and just waited for Obama to take office.  We remember him totally ignoring the pre 9/11 warnings.  We remember how he didn't catch any of the anthrax mailers. We remember the multiple embassy attacks (but Benghazi!!). we remember Jim David Adkisson, Mohammed Reza, the Beltway Sniper, the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings, the LAX shootings, and all the people in Iraq that hate the US with every fibre of their being because the US killed their family members.

But if you really want to re-litigate this one, we're happy to do so.  No, he did not keep us safe, and fark you for even trying to whip that one past us.


Beauty.  11/10 (y'know...when 10 isn't enough and ya need that extra *push*)
There's gonna be some *prodigious* butthurt over this one.

/didn't read entire thread, so most likely some good butthurt already.
 
2013-04-16 03:11:57 PM  

aspAddict: In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."


I'll admit, I was afraid of them . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVf7m_YZ2zY
 
2013-04-16 03:12:48 PM  

aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.


It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.
 
2013-04-16 03:14:05 PM  

FlashHarry: The Why Not Guy: It's funny how the people who tell us to "never forget" always seem to forget.

knock knock
who's there?
9/11
9/11 who?
YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER FORGET!


this made me laugh far longer and louder than it should have.

well done, sir.
 
2013-04-16 03:14:30 PM  

lennavan: I don't really want that to be jacked by a guns discussion. More of a "why is this so different than all of the other types of deaths" discussion.


Good luck with that.
 
2013-04-16 03:14:48 PM  

tuna fingers: Bermuda59: Is the prize one of those 9-11 commemorative coins?

I hope so!  You can tilt up the towers as they stood in all of their American glory.
Some call them tacky, but I say NAY.  Those are awesome!

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 208x149]
9-11!
Never remember!


Every time I see that commercial, I'm caught between a state of laughter and anger. While I find it amusing that old people and rednecks buy stupid sh*t online, I find the coin offensive as a cheap and cynical ploy. Especially when suggested as a "collectors'" item.

/reminds me of the South Park episode where Stan's dad keeps buying crap from the home shopping network
 
2013-04-16 03:17:49 PM  

whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.


I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...
 
2013-04-16 03:20:44 PM  

HighOnCraic: I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...


What does he have to lose?
 
2013-04-16 03:31:41 PM  

HighOnCraic: I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...


He may very well.

Look, most of us are doing a good job of waiting for the facts to come in rather than jumping to conclusions. And even the folks who admit to having suspicions are making it clear that they don't know for sure.

But. (there's always a but, isn't there?)

Our Tea Party friends have spent the last four years and change talking about how they came unarmed (this time) or bringing rifles to places where President Obama is speaking or reminding us that it's time to water the tree of liberty with blood. Ok, fine. They have every right to do just that. However, if that's the route they're going to take, don't be surprised or offended if people look at them when violence erupts.

And just so we're clear... my point isn't that I think a Tea Partier was behind the bombing. My point is that they're retards for embracing the rhetoric of violence or war in pretty much everything they do, and the only reason people are looking at them is because we've had nothing but vague (and not so vague) threats from them for years. Grow up and act like adults.
 
2013-04-16 03:31:47 PM  

aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.


Just a guess, but I'm thinking most of the people who are outraged by Mr. Rush's statements are the ones who saw through all the bullshiat paranoia the media pushed on us during the Bush years.  And the ones who are supporting him are the ones who swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
 
2013-04-16 03:31:51 PM  

HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...


oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke
 
2013-04-16 03:38:31 PM  
9/11 happens... The majority of the country rallies around President Bush. His approval rating goes to 90%

Marathon bombing happens... Obama is already being attacked for not keeping us safe.

Yes, both side are totally teh bad.
 
2013-04-16 03:45:24 PM  

skullkrusher: HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke


It's ok, even if it was a federal building in Oklahoma City again, Captain Semantics here would whine that there aren't 7 floors on this building this time, there's 9, so it doesn't count and isn't at all the same.

//not saying one way or the other that this is like OKC, just saying that you're love of pedantry is legendary
 
2013-04-16 03:46:43 PM  

coeyagi: skullkrusher: HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke

It's ok, even if it was a federal building in Oklahoma City again, Captain Semantics here would whine that there aren't 7 floors on this building this time, there's 9, so it ...


*YOUR

//FTFM
 
2013-04-16 03:49:14 PM  

coeyagi: skullkrusher: HighOnCraic: whidbey: aspAddict: It's interesting that for the last 11 years, we have been told "We hafta go to war against al Qaida/terrorists/brown people with towels on their heads, they are TEH DEBIL and want to kill us all!" It's been drilled into us for over a decade that THEY are the enemy and that our Glorious Leaders are the only thing standing between us and a turban wrapped nuke showing up in our morning coffee.

Then an attack happens. Bombs go off. People are hurt and killed, and our Weeners is "Prolly terrorist Muslim radicals" and people are shocked - SHOCKED I say - at this jump to a conclusion. We have been conditioned for years to believe that "seekrit all kayak" is everywhere, lurking in the shadows, climbin' in our windows, snatchin' our people up, tryin' ta rape 'em.

In the 70's/80's, it was Russia - they had subs sitting just out of our reach with huge missiles pointed at our moms for years. They had secret spies waiting to blow up our dams, meltdown our reactors, and reset all of our VCRs so that they flash "12:00" again. THEY were the enemy. If anything bad happened, the first thought in our heads was, "It was probably the Russians."

You can't indoctrinate a culture to believe one thing, then act surprised when they follow that "training." That would be like Fatty Kim yelling at his citizens for accusing Americans of something evil after they have been brainwashed for half a century to believe that we are Satan's minions.

Also, to Alex Jones - you never go full retard.

It's totally OKC all over again. It'll be a rigtht-wing white guy. History repeats the old conceits.

I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

oh, it's totally OKC all over again. All the hallmarks are there. Federal Government bui... oh crap. My theory broke

It's ok, even if it was a federal building in Oklahoma City again, Captain Semantics here would whine that there aren't 7 floors on this building this time, there's 9, so it ...


yeah except this isn't pedantry. This is "why the fark is 'totally OKC all over again'"? What would make someone say that unless they were whidbey? He's a troll and a fool and you'd be better off not white knighting him
 
2013-04-16 03:56:32 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

There's no reason we can't live in a free society where we are also assured against being blown to smithereens.


Who is going to be doing this "assuring?"  We've got enough cops around to assure anything, except from people who do the unexpected.  There is no cure for that, except by somehow de-motivating them to do such things.  It is the price we pay, and I'm fine with that.
 
2013-04-16 03:57:52 PM  

BSABSVR: Empty Matchbook: Have there been numerous terrorist attacks on American soil in the last 5 years that I've been unaware of?

Remember the underwear bomber?  There was a lot of colossal shiatting going on about him, both faux and real.  I'm assuming that Patrick Dollard will also be counting Ft. Hood, and possibly all of the goofy plans where some dude was  going to stuff a pineapple full of c4 and throw it at the Golden Gate Bridge as well.


Ah, of course...all the ones that were successfully PREVENTED...how silly of me to discount those...
 
2013-04-16 04:02:27 PM  

HighOnCraic: VitruvianMonkey: Limbaugh was asking the question today, after a lengthy recap of the Bill Ayers narrative, why nobody was asking if this was a left-wing group?

Um, because left-wing groups haven't been threatening or insinuating the need for insurrection and violence since day one of the black guy's term as president?

One of the freepers in actualhuman's link mentioned that the attack took place on  "African Freedom Day."

But according to the link the freeper posted:

On the 25th of May 1963, thirty-one African Heads of state convened a summit meeting to found the Organization of African Unity (OAU). They renamed African Freedom Day "African Liberation Day" and changed its date to May 25th.

http://www.africanliberationday.net/node/1

/I guess he should've studied it out.


In all fairness, a lot of these people think the Soviet Union still exists.
 
2013-04-16 04:03:57 PM  
Perhaps trying them for the our acts of terrorism could in lead to keeping us safe from new attacks for eons.

I wonder how the marathon bombing pictures compare with the latest drone attack pictures?

I suppose with if they hadn't of dropped the drone attack medal we could have submitted all their names being one big open globe and everything.
 
2013-04-16 04:11:35 PM  

GoldSpider: HighOnCraic: I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

What does he have to lose?


Why is it even an issue? There's a good chance that's the case, given the derp when a liberal was in office last time.
 
2013-04-16 04:14:28 PM  
This counts against Obama because it is a bomb, but the 26 people shot in Newtown don't?

/Not trying to make this political, but this point is irrational.
 
2013-04-16 04:16:21 PM  
Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]
 
2013-04-16 04:16:30 PM  

whidbey: given the derp when a liberal was in office last time.


I'm not really sure what the Roosevelt administration has to do with this thread.
 
2013-04-16 04:17:15 PM  

GoldSpider: whidbey: given the derp when a liberal was in office last time.

I'm not really sure what the Roosevelt administration has to do with this thread.


Um, you do know that according to most irrational right-wing dipshiat types that Clinton and Obama are both far lefties, right?
 
2013-04-16 04:20:17 PM  

hugram: 9/11 happens... The majority of the country rallies around President Bush. His approval rating goes to 90%

Marathon bombing happens... Obama is already being attacked for not keeping us safe.

Yes, both side are totally teh bad.


if 9/11 had happened under president gore, republicans would have been calling for his impeachment and execution for treason THAT NIGHT. i guarantee it.
 
2013-04-16 04:20:27 PM  

whidbey: Um, you do know that according to most irrational right-wing dipshiat types that Clinton and Obama are both far lefties, right?


Agreed, I would consider anyone who would call either Obama or Clinton "liberal" irrational.  Not sure how that translates into irrefutable evidence that the bombing was done by said irrational rightwing dipshiats (though I certainly won't discount the possibility).
 
2013-04-16 04:22:50 PM  

praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]


I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.
 
2013-04-16 04:32:52 PM  

skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.


That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.
 
2013-04-16 04:35:42 PM  
Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) gains an honorable mention to the list, for joining others on Twitter in calling on CNN host Wolf Blitzer to recant his "attack" on political opponents, saying the Tea Party was behind the bombing - a claim that Blitzer never made:

Yeah, but Blitzer's still an asshole for immediately framing the story with "why didn't Obama use the word terror."  Apparently, according to that well-poisoning luck troll, the word "terror" must be repeated by the president, otherwise we won't know what it is.  Hell, we might have thought it was because of an anti marathon video that caused a protest in Philadelphia.
 
2013-04-16 04:37:48 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.

That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.


that's my point though - I think the tendency is towards shedding the tribalism when this happens, not the other way around. We become better people, in general.
 
2013-04-16 04:44:33 PM  

skullkrusher: praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.

That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.

that's my point though - I think the tendency is towards shedding the tribalism when this happens, not the other way around. We become better people, in general.


I'd really like to believe that.  It's times like this when my innate cynicism and my "Zen thing" are most in conflict.
 
2013-04-16 04:50:14 PM  

praxcelis: praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Reminds me of the Terry Pratchett quote:
"It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things."
 
2013-04-16 04:54:08 PM  

skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

you're also a decent human being on Fark. You are like a one-eyed, 6-toed Albino Black Mexican Eskimo Lesbian


Uh.....

Do I have all six toes on one foot?
 
2013-04-16 04:54:15 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: skullkrusher: praxcelis: Yesterday's megathread degenerated into quite a bit of conflict between the hyperpartisans and the folks asking for the divisive shills to just stop.  I figure what I said yesterday is still relevant:

praxcelis:

The poo-flinging won't stop.  Whenever a deeply disturbing event like this occurs, that thin layer of enlightened civilization cracks and we all tend more towards being tribalistic apes.  It's tens of thousands of years of hardwired instinct, to identify the broken member of our society and consign them to "outside the tribe".  In an era where we are one click away from the tragedy, we emotionally need the perpetrator to be "not-us", so we can reinforce our belief that "our tribe" is better than that.


Doesn't mean we have to like it, or stomp on the most egregious examples of it, but we're all diminished today by the knowledge that something like this is possible.  I'll give even the worst of the trollish pricks upthread a pass today, just because I want to be better than that.

/Quoting myself on Fark.  Almost as bad as Googling myself.
//Won't happen again
///...until the next time [repeatingbears.jpg]

I think it's the opposite. When something tragic occurs, those of us capable of NOT being tribalistic apes put it on hold.

That's why I said "tend more towards".  As individuals, we all carry the capacity for nobility.  In the mass?  The loudest, most emotional voices carry more weight.  Look at the coverage (heck, just look at all the Boston threads in the past 24 hours).  The zealots who have already found their targets and blamed whole communities are the ones getting the most airtime.

that's my point though - I think the tendency is towards shedding the tribalism when this happens, not the other way around. We become better people, in general.

I'd really like to believe that.  It's times like this when my innate cynicism and my "Zen thing" are most in conflict.


CSB: on the night of 9/11/01 I was walking to my after work spot in Hell's Kitchen. I passed a number of homeless guys who usually bugged me for money when on this route. Sometimes I had some extra, sometimes I didn't, some of them were nice guys, some belligerent assholes but whatever. That night not a single one asked me for money. All they wanted to know if my family was ok and how I was doing. It was farking magical. Lasted only a few days but I'll never forget the instant change.
 
2013-04-16 04:55:11 PM  

Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: Gyrfalcon: skullkrusher: can we stop pretending that in order to maintain a free society where rights are (largely) respected, this is not going to be the price to pay from time to time regardless of who is in office?

I've said that since Oklahoma City, but I'm in the minority on that sentiment.

you're also a decent human being on Fark. You are like a one-eyed, 6-toed Albino Black Mexican Eskimo Lesbian

Uh.....

Do I have all six toes on one foot?


per foot. I don't think you're physically unstable. Jury's still out on the mental bit :)
 
2013-04-16 05:01:00 PM  

Magorn: what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".

SO decoding these clues we can build a profile of the Bomber based on the symbolism of what he attacked and when:

He attacked on Patriot's day, in an area rich with revolutionary symbolismm,  so clearly he's an Anti-American foreigner.  His bombs went off at the 26th mile, which was dedicated to the 26 victims of Newtown, so clearly he's a gun-rights nut/Sandy Hook denier.  His attack occured on April 15th -tax day  so he must have hated paying taxes.  The bombs exploded right near all the international flags  so he hates furriners and the UN.  He attacked outside the oldest public library in the country so he clearly hates both books AND socialism, and of course he interfered with a SOX game, so obviously he's a Yankee fan.

Putting all that into the Bat computer clearly tells me we are looking a Fundamentalist Muslim jihadist Tea Party member, who is also a "young earth" creationist and a white supremacist...how hard can THAT guy be to find?


web-images.chacha.com
 
2013-04-16 05:05:50 PM  

nocturnal001: patthedog: This surely sucks, but 3 people died, and their calling it the Boston massacre, how many innocent people have Obamas drones killed this week?
quick..make assault bombs illegal, that's what will make us safe

Are you so sure they were innocent? How do you define that anyway?

Innocents die in war, but I'd much rather their innocents die than ours.


And this is why we (humans) can't have nice things.
 
2013-04-16 05:09:57 PM  

skullkrusher: CSB: on the night of 9/11/01 I was walking to my after work spot in Hell's Kitchen. I passed a number of homeless guys who usually bugged me for money when on this route. Sometimes I had some extra, sometimes I didn't, some of them were nice guys, some belligerent assholes but whatever. That night not a single one asked me for money. All they wanted to know if my family was ok and how I was doing. It was farking magical. Lasted only a few days but I'll never forget the instant change.


In September of 2000 I was doing a consulting gig in the financial district.  My first visit to NYC and the one thing I still clearly remember is that everyone I encountered, from CIOs to the peanut cart vendors, were all visibly, demonstrably proud to be New Yorkers.  In all my travels I've never encountered that much devotion to a place.  Every time I go back there I get the same feeling from the people I talk with.
 
2013-04-16 05:16:10 PM  
Is this Bostghazi!!! yet?
 
2013-04-16 05:17:38 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: CSB: on the night of 9/11/01 I was walking to my after work spot in Hell's Kitchen. I passed a number of homeless guys who usually bugged me for money when on this route. Sometimes I had some extra, sometimes I didn't, some of them were nice guys, some belligerent assholes but whatever. That night not a single one asked me for money. All they wanted to know if my family was ok and how I was doing. It was farking magical. Lasted only a few days but I'll never forget the instant change.

In September of 2000 I was doing a consulting gig in the financial district.  My first visit to NYC and the one thing I still clearly remember is that everyone I encountered, from CIOs to the peanut cart vendors, were all visibly, demonstrably proud to be New Yorkers.  In all my travels I've never encountered that much devotion to a place.  Every time I go back there I get the same feeling from the people I talk with.


we do love our city an awful lot in case people haven't noticed ;)

I knew my farkie wasn't for naught

praxcelis (favorite: Reasonable and intelligent)
 
2013-04-16 05:23:09 PM  

skullkrusher: I knew my farkie wasn't for naught

praxcelis (favorite: Reasonable and intelligent)


Depends on who you ask.  :)   My kids will tell you that you're half right.

/Which half depends on the day
//And what they're asking me for...
 
2013-04-16 06:48:55 PM  

what_now: the_rev: what_now: This asshole set off a bomb near the Boston Public Library. Now I'm farking furious.

Not being smartass here... but... it was the bomb's proximity to a library that you find upsetting?

I find the whole thing upsetting. This is a special day- a celebration of the Revolutionary War, a random holiday that only we have, the Marathon, a 11am Red Sox game (played early enough in the season that we all still have some hope), and a street party. This is when spring starts in Boston.

This Marathon isn't just Kenyens and crazy hardcore runners, it's regular people who spend a year preparing for this for a charity- a friend of mine is 6"5; and 250lbs and a few years ago he finished, because he was running for a cause.

The finish line is right outside the oldest public library in the country for a reason.  "The Commonwealth Requires the Education of the People as the Safeguard of Order and Liberty".


Huh. I've been assured that guns are the Safeguard of Order and Liberty.
 
2013-04-16 07:41:56 PM  

praxcelis: skullkrusher: I knew my farkie wasn't for naught

praxcelis (favorite: Reasonable and intelligent)

Depends on who you ask.  :)   My kids will tell you that you're half right.

/Which half depends on the day
//And what they're asking me for...


"Generous" is not an option, I guess... ;)
 
2013-04-16 08:30:45 PM  
www.rawstory.commedia-cache-ec4.pinterest.com

/amidoinitright?
 
2013-04-16 08:40:48 PM  
Dafuq?

i12.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-16 08:43:36 PM  
(Above woman reportedly died at both Sandy Hook and in Boston.)
 
2013-04-16 09:06:39 PM  
So, it looks like the thread is as follows:

The Democrat nuthuggers on 9/11: OMG BUSH FARKED UP! WHAT A DOLT! LOL!
The Democrat nuthuggers now: No way Obama farked up. It would just be pure derp to claim that!

Seriously, you can't have it both ways. IMO, neither president is responsible. Shiat happens
 
2013-04-16 09:08:28 PM  

lennavan: I'm not saying what happened in Boston isn't bad.  But I don't understand how last weekend we felt safe and now suddenly we no longer feel safe.


Bombings are so random that everyone is at risk.
Most gun deaths are more deliberate.

Incidentally, this is why hate crimes deserve additional incarceration.
 
2013-04-16 09:13:25 PM  
machoprogrammer: Seriously, you can't have it both ways. IMO, neither president is responsible. Shiat happens

Bush was warned.
But, I don't hold him personally responsible.
He is responsible for attacking Iraq afterward.

If Obama attacks Canada for this bombing, then I'll concede that both sides are bad.
 
2013-04-16 09:16:20 PM  

Without Fail: machoprogrammer: Seriously, you can't have it both ways. IMO, neither president is responsible. Shiat happens

Bush was warned.
But, I don't hold him personally responsible.
He is responsible for attacking Iraq afterward.

If Obama attacks Canada for this bombing, then I'll concede that both sides are bad.


I agree Iraq was really stupid and Bush is absolutely responsible for that fark up.
 
2013-04-16 09:30:57 PM  

yeegrek: OK conservatives, we need to talk.  We, by which I mean the center and the left, let you have that one.  You're welcome.  We let you have that one not because we agreed with it, or thought it was even close to basic reality.  We let you have that one because we were all so very done with Bush and company.  The previous 8 years were traumatizing as hell to us.  Your man-child preznit absolutely drove this country into the ground.  The US was a flaming wreck when he turned the keys over to Obama.  Depression, jobs crisis, banking crisis, real estate crisis, two wars being lost.  We were done.  We were done with him, we were done fighting with you over him, we were done explaining to you how truly awful he was on every possible level.  We realized that you needed to have some shred of substance to hang your hat onto, to claim that you hadn't foisted a complete and total incompetent jackass onto the most powerful nation on Earth.  So when you claimed that he "kept America safe", we just rolled our eyes and just waited for Obama to take office.  We remember him totally ignoring the pre 9/11 warnings.  We remember how he didn't catch any of the anthrax mailers. We remember the multiple embassy attacks (but Benghazi!!). we remember Jim David Adkisson, Mohammed Reza, the Beltway Sniper, the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings, the LAX shootings, and all the people in Iraq that hate the US with every fibre of their being because the US killed their family members.

But if you really want to re-litigate this one, we're happy to do so.  No, he did not keep us safe, and fark you for even trying to whip that one past us.


www.diseno-art.com
 
rpm
2013-04-16 10:14:18 PM  
A day subby? From the time stamps, more like minutes.
 
2013-04-16 10:19:37 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Dafuq?

[i12.photobucket.com image 297x302]


That is kinda odd.
 
2013-04-16 10:20:00 PM  

machoprogrammer: I agree Iraq was really stupid and Bush is absolutely responsible for that fark up.


The most conservative estimate of deaths caused by the Iraq War is 110,000. Many educated estimates are much higher.

upload.wikimedia.org

This is Michigan Stadium. It holds about 110,000 people.
Really stupid.
LOL
 
2013-04-16 10:43:10 PM  

The Why Not Guy: HighOnCraic: I've got a feeling you're gonna get a lotta grief for saying that...

He may very well.

Look, most of us are doing a good job of waiting for the facts to come in rather than jumping to conclusions. And even the folks who admit to having suspicions are making it clear that they don't know for sure.

But. (there's always a but, isn't there?)

Our Tea Party friends have spent the last four years and change talking about how they came unarmed (this time) or bringing rifles to places where President Obama is speaking or reminding us that it's time to water the tree of liberty with blood. Ok, fine. They have every right to do just that. However, if that's the route they're going to take, don't be surprised or offended if people look at them when violence erupts.

And just so we're clear... my point isn't that I think a Tea Partier was behind the bombing. My point is that they're retards for embracing the rhetoric of violence or war in pretty much everything they do, and the only reason people are looking at them is because we've had nothing but vague (and not so vague) threats from them for years. Grow up and act like adults.


In fairness, I saw the line "History repeats the old conceits," and responded with another line from the song I thought the original poster was referring to.

A track from "The Best of Elvis Costello" is obscure on Fark?  That's just beyond belief!
 
2013-04-16 11:24:25 PM  

HighOnCraic: In fairness, I saw the line "History repeats the old conceits," and responded with another line from the song I thought the original poster was referring to.


History never repeats I tell myself before I go to sleep.
Don't say the words you might regret I've lost before you know I can't forget.
 
2013-04-17 12:53:40 AM  
Well, well, well.

I think we have our answer to the question of "Would President Gore have had near-unanimous 90+% support after 9/11."
 
2013-04-17 02:47:24 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: HighOnCraic: In fairness, I saw the line "History repeats the old conceits," and responded with another line from the song I thought the original poster was referring to.

History never repeats I tell myself before I go to sleep.
Don't say the words you might regret I've lost before you know I can't forget.


One step ahead of you.
Stay in motion, keep an open mind.
 
2013-04-17 05:16:49 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Dafuq?

[i12.photobucket.com image 297x302]


At least Fox didn't call her a Democrat this time.
 
2013-04-17 06:39:22 AM  

ManateeGag: so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversial_invocations_of_the_Patrio t_ Act
 
2013-04-17 07:24:02 AM  

ManateeGag: so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?


Well, there was that 86-year old librarian.
 
2013-04-17 07:28:32 AM  

ManateeGag: so, who has the list of attacks after 9/11 but before Obama took office ready?


Don't forget the lady who spanked her kids on an airplane. Good thing she's in Gimo, now.
 
2013-04-17 08:43:24 AM  

HAMMERTOE: (Above woman reportedly died at both Sandy Hook and in Boston.)


0bama resurrected her so he could kill her again.  Just like he did with Gandy Baugh.
 
2013-04-17 08:45:56 AM  

machoprogrammer: So, it looks like the thread is as follows:

The Democrat nuthuggers on 9/11: OMG BUSH FARKED UP! WHAT A DOLT! LOL!
The Democrat nuthuggers now: No way Obama farked up. It would just be pure derp to claim that!

Seriously, you can't have it both ways. IMO, neither president is responsible. Shiat happens


uh, no - i believe this is in response to a moron who tweeted that this is obama's fault and bush kept us safe for eight years.
 
2013-04-17 08:47:47 AM  

machoprogrammer: Seriously, you can't have it both ways. IMO, neither president is responsible. Shiat happens


well, if we find that obama's natsec advisor received a briefing entitled "terrorists plan to blow up boston marathon" and ignored it... then we'll talk about responsibility.

but, yes, shiat happens.
 
2013-04-17 11:23:37 AM  

Trapper439: Satanic_Hamster: HighOnCraic: In fairness, I saw the line "History repeats the old conceits," and responded with another line from the song I thought the original poster was referring to.

History never repeats I tell myself before I go to sleep.
Don't say the words you might regret I've lost before you know I can't forget.

One step ahead of you.
Stay in motion, keep an open mind.


Accidents will happen
But only hit and run
You used to be a victim
Now you're not the only one
 
2013-04-17 05:25:30 PM  
CONSERVATIVES HAVE FORGOTTEN 9/11!!!!!!
 
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