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(The Detroit_News)   California still thinks that laws, rules, and wishful thinking beat engineering and market forces   (detroitnews.com) divider line 13
    More: Amusing, California Air Resources Board, Corporate Average Fuel Economy, plug-in electric car, emission factor, Society of Automotive Engineers  
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2013-04-16 12:45:42 PM  
3 votes:
Mandatory seatbelts made cars too expensive.  That's why everyone rides bicycles today.
2013-04-16 03:51:24 PM  
2 votes:
As others have alluded to, the "Auto Industry" whining would carry a lot more weight if they hadn't screamed doom and gloom about every other minor emissions improvement California has forced them to make in the last 30 years.

Fark snow days, here in SoCal we used to have "Smog Days" where we weren't allowed to do recess or lunch outside since the air quality was dangerously bad.  That stuff doesn't happen anymore - the air IS much cleaner.  The car companies still manage to make money selling cars here, despite all their assurances that such regulations would put them out of business.
2013-04-16 07:52:54 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA : "California says that zero-emission or plug-in hybrid vehicles will account for one in seven new cars sold in California in 2025 - or 15.4 percent."

Relax, guys. About 1.5 million new cars are sold in California each year, with only about 17,000 electric cars total ever sold in the Golden State. Sell 231,000 A YEAR within a little over a decade? Somebody at CARB has been smoking their medical ganja a little too much lately, methinks.

Reminds me of the CARB proclamation of 1990, that by 1998 2% of new cars sold would have to be electric; 5% by 2001 and 10% by 2003.

Yeah...no. Never happened, and CARB had to embarrassingly back down a few years after the big splash. Same thing will happen here.
2013-04-16 03:52:25 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Wait until they discover where the emissions really are...

[www.tva.com image 495x306]

I'd bet a CNG car has a smaller carbon footprint than a similar sized EV. CH4 versus C1000H1


You've ignored the Fraking Energy costs- acquisition puts CNG on par with petrol.

Also, California is a market force; get over it.
2013-04-16 03:46:54 PM  
1 votes:
By market forces you mean bribes from lobbying groups?
2013-04-16 03:26:40 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: gshepnyc: You know, the will of the people, enacted by the officials that they freely elect, IS a market force, subby.

Actually, no, it isn't.  Not by any rational definition of the phrase.


Laws and regulations are simply externalities to be used in the profit-making calculus.

Sad but true.
2013-04-16 02:46:24 PM  
1 votes:

gshepnyc: You know, the will of the people, enacted by the officials that they freely elect, IS a market force, subby.


Actually, no, it isn't.  Not by any rational definition of the phrase.
2013-04-16 02:39:33 PM  
1 votes:
Let us destroy ourselves. We'll serve as an example for others.
2013-04-16 02:15:31 PM  
1 votes:
You know, the will of the people, enacted by the officials that they freely elect, IS a market force, subby.
2013-04-16 01:23:51 PM  
1 votes:

wingnut396: wildcardjack: Wait until they discover where the emissions really are...

[www.tva.com image 495x306]

I'd bet a CNG car has a smaller carbon footprint than a similar sized EV. CH4 versus C1000H1

Also, i Cali, that coal is less than 10% of where the power comes from.


Just because the power plant isn't IN California doesn't mean it's power isn't used in California.
2013-04-16 01:08:06 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Wait until they discover where the emissions really are...

[www.tva.com image 495x306]

I'd bet a CNG car has a smaller carbon footprint than a similar sized EV. CH4 versus C1000H1


Also, i Cali, that coal is less than 10% of where the power comes from.
2013-04-16 01:05:51 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Wait until they discover where the emissions really are...

[www.tva.com image 495x306]

I'd bet a CNG car has a smaller carbon footprint than a similar sized EV. CH4 versus C1000H1


I'd bet an EV car is easier for the driver to convert from a coal to a renewable power source than an CNG car would be from NG to something else.
2013-04-16 01:03:26 PM  
1 votes:
Wait until they discover where the emissions really are...

www.tva.com

I'd bet a CNG car has a smaller carbon footprint than a similar sized EV. CH4 versus C1000H1
 
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