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(National Post)   The National Post has compiled a tally of every conventional weapon in North Korea's arsenal... including the biplanes   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 150
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2013-04-16 09:52:19 AM
Even though almost all their equipment is outdated...it wouldn't be a 'cake-walk' for the US and Worst Korea. I am curious to know how Iraq sized-up compared to Best Korea.
 
2013-04-16 10:06:26 AM
Ask the Germans how annoying biplanes can be.  For that matter, NK used them effectively against us in the Korean War.
 
2013-04-16 10:52:47 AM

ferretman: I am curious to know how Iraq sized-up compared to Best Korea.


iraq's military was decimated by 12 years of sanctions. NK, on the other hand, has a million-man army that will fight to the death for its "dear leader."
 
2013-04-16 11:45:35 AM

GAT_00: Ask the Germans how annoying biplanes can be.  For that matter, NK used them effectively against us in the Korean War.


I remember M*A*S*H's "Five-o'clock Charlie". That was rather amusing.
 
2013-04-16 11:50:35 AM
Link took way too long to load.

Does it include the fake missiles?

news.bbcimg.co.uk

Or the fake artillery?

www.nkeconwatch.com
 
2013-04-16 11:55:48 AM
In other news, Edward Tufte last seen beating the staff of the National Post to death with their own shoes.
 
2013-04-16 11:56:11 AM

Flab: Link took way too long to load.

Does it include the fake missiles?

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x380]

Or the fake artillery?

[www.nkeconwatch.com image 850x527]


It is not fake artillery/missiles. The Great/Dear/Gravy Leader has invented the great Stealth Technology that will bring the battlefield into the 21st Century.
 
2013-04-16 11:56:18 AM
The nice thing about Biplanes is that they can be manufactured from the bones and skin of political dissidents.  Something that I'm sure BestKo has plenty of right now.

Snoopy approves.
 
2013-04-16 11:57:52 AM
Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?
 
2013-04-16 11:58:47 AM
Don't knock the AN-2, it is actually a highly capable STOL aircraft that is remarkably easy to fly, simple to repair, and rugged in construction.  Just because it is a Biplane doesn't mean it isn't effective at what it does.

Fun fact: The AN-2 is so safe, that if the engine cuts out, you simply haul back on the yoke and hold it there.  The AN-2 will not stall, it will just slow to about 30 knots and drift down at a safe and controllable speed.  Touching down will not even damage the landing gear.  That is how well designed the aircraft is.
 
2013-04-16 11:58:53 AM

FlashHarry: ferretman: I am curious to know how Iraq sized-up compared to Best Korea.

iraq's military was decimated by 12 years of sanctions. NK, on the other hand, has a million-man army that will fight to the death for its "dear leader."


Just to play devil's advocate:

Iraq had been in a ten year war with Iran thus had seasoned troops who, at least, had enough to eat.

The current sanctions against North Korea have been much more devastating.
 
2013-04-16 12:00:04 PM
www.fantasyofflight.com

It's a great airplane, as hot as that image is.
 
2013-04-16 12:01:03 PM
Biplane trifecta in play.

I would also like to see this done with the American military arsenal.
 
2013-04-16 12:01:33 PM

FlashHarry: ferretman: I am curious to know how Iraq sized-up compared to Best Korea.

iraq's military was decimated by 12 years of sanctions. NK, on the other hand, has a million-man army that will fight to the death for its "dear leader."


I think you underestimate the power of a Big Mac or a pizza in their hovel in 30 min or less.
 
2013-04-16 12:02:34 PM

DubtodaIll: Biplane trifecta in play.

I would also like to see this done with the American military arsenal.


Hope you aren't mobile with a bandwidth cap in play.
 
2013-04-16 12:02:47 PM

FlashHarry: iraq's military was decimated by 12 years of sanctions. NK, on the other hand, has a million-man army that will fight to the death for its "dear leader."


NK has been under sanctions for WAY longer than Iraq was.  And at least Iraq could feed its troops.
 
2013-04-16 12:03:06 PM
Somewhat off-topic, I was reading about all of the aircraft carriers in use around the world.  Brazil has one that was first launched by France in 1959.  They're flying 1950's jets off it too.

Or Thailand.  They have one that they can't even get out of the harbor most of the time.  Most of its "missions" have been carrying the royal family around like it's a big gray yacht.  And it looks big, until you see it in a picture sailing beside a US carrier, at which point it looks like a tugboat.

I really wish North Korea had an "aircraft carrier."  For the lulz.
 
2013-04-16 12:03:34 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?


Breaks up the rows so you get an idea of how many they are.
 
2013-04-16 12:03:40 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?


As best as I can tell, it's just to aid in visually identifying the number of something. The orange ones seem to mark every 10, 50 or X number of something.
 
2013-04-16 12:03:44 PM

xxmedium: DubtodaIll: Biplane trifecta in play.

I would also like to see this done with the American military arsenal.

Hope you aren't mobile with a bandwidth cap in play.


If anyone has an indoor tennis court going to waste, and wants to print all those out and glue them to cardboard counters, we could have a kick-ass war game!
 
2013-04-16 12:04:18 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

AN-2s are awesome, the Russki equivalent of the DC-3 They've built some 18,000 since just after WW2, and they're still being built.  They are not only capable of taking off and landing on a dime, but are budget stealthy, as they're mostly constructed from wood and fabric. Quoted from Wikipedia:

"The An-2 has no stall speed quoted in the operating handbook. Pilots of the An-2 report that one can fly the aircraft in full control at 30 mph (as a contrast, a modern Cessna four-seater light aircraft has a stall speed of around 50 mph). This slow stall speed makes it possible for the aircraft to fly backwards (if the aircraft is pointed into a headwind of, say, 35 mph (56 km/h), it will travel backwards at 5 mph (8.0 km/h) whilst under full control). (This is also possible with almost any other true Short Take Off and Landing (STOL) aircraft, but the Antonov has the distinction of being able to do the trick in the mildest headwind. "
 
2013-04-16 12:04:24 PM
Actually AN-2s are really hard to spot on radar because they're mostly fabric and wood, and quiet compared to a jet too. Good way to insert paratroopers or saboteurs behind enemy lines.
 
2013-04-16 12:04:44 PM
Impressive army Best Korea; too bad you have neither the fuel, food, ammo to support it!
 
2013-04-16 12:04:50 PM
Now it's clear why the metal commodities market dropped. With all this scrap soon, prices will really plummet. Too bad BNK doesn't go for tourism. Biplane rides would be the bomb.
 
2013-04-16 12:04:53 PM

Kibbler: Somewhat off-topic, I was reading about all of the aircraft carriers in use around the world.  Brazil has one that was first launched by France in 1959.  They're flying 1950's jets off it too.

Or Thailand.  They have one that they can't even get out of the harbor most of the time.  Most of its "missions" have been carrying the royal family around like it's a big gray yacht.  And it looks big, until you see it in a picture sailing beside a US carrier, at which point it looks like a tugboat.

I really wish North Korea had an "aircraft carrier."  For the lulz.


adamworld.typepad.com
 
2013-04-16 12:06:22 PM
They forgot the graphics for the 1,000,000,000+ slingshots and small rocks.  Numbers beat the west's advanced technology any day!
 
2013-04-16 12:06:32 PM

tiiger: Don't knock the AN-2, it is actually a highly capable STOL aircraft that is remarkably easy to fly, simple to repair, and rugged in construction.  Just because it is a Biplane doesn't mean it isn't effective at what it does.

Fun fact: The AN-2 is so safe, that if the engine cuts out, you simply haul back on the yoke and hold it there.  The AN-2 will not stall, it will just slow to about 30 knots and drift down at a safe and controllable speed.  Touching down will not even damage the landing gear.  That is how well designed the aircraft is.


What he said.  The AN-2 is a fantastic airplane.
 
2013-04-16 12:06:42 PM
Nork's artillery would obliterate Seoul within the first few hours, and then their day would come to a very bad end very quickly.
 
2013-04-16 12:07:39 PM
Yugo class subs? Are they watertight? Did they replace the window screens?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-16 12:07:42 PM

JustGetItRight: tiiger: Don't knock the AN-2, it is actually a highly capable STOL aircraft that is remarkably easy to fly, simple to repair, and rugged in construction.  Just because it is a Biplane doesn't mean it isn't effective at what it does.

Fun fact: The AN-2 is so safe, that if the engine cuts out, you simply haul back on the yoke and hold it there.  The AN-2 will not stall, it will just slow to about 30 knots and drift down at a safe and controllable speed.  Touching down will not even damage the landing gear.  That is how well designed the aircraft is.

What he said.  The AN-2 is a fantastic airplane.

 
2013-04-16 12:10:24 PM

Kibbler: Somewhat off-topic, I was reading about all of the aircraft carriers in use around the world.  Brazil has one that was first launched by France in 1959.  They're flying 1950's jets off it too.

Or Thailand.  They have one that they can't even get out of the harbor most of the time.  Most of its "missions" have been carrying the royal family around like it's a big gray yacht.  And it looks big, until you see it in a picture sailing beside a US carrier, at which point it looks like a tugboat.

I really wish North Korea had an "aircraft carrier."  For the lulz.


Brazil's carrier's quite capable.  The Skyhawks are among the last manufactured (77-78), have very low hours, and have been modernized with Israeli radar and beyond visual range missiles (Derby).

It and her escorts would destroy any South American foe they've got the potential to face.
 
2013-04-16 12:13:05 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?


I think it's so you can see that you're scrolling.
 
2013-04-16 12:15:07 PM

meanmutton: Wolf_Blitzer: Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?

Breaks up the rows so you get an idea of how many they are.


That's what I initially assumed as well, but its not consistent at all between categories, so its a weird way to show things. Then again, the entire diagram seems built to require as much scrolling as possible to inspire ZOMG PANIC!!
 
2013-04-16 12:16:40 PM
Well they need that incase of a King Kong attack.
 
2013-04-16 12:17:42 PM
Worse....they have some of these stockpiled.2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-16 12:18:31 PM

spawn73: Wolf_Blitzer: Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?

I think it's so you can see that you're scrolling.


Still not a great design. They should have chosen a color other than something that suggests a vehicle is (perhaps) there but out of commission. Like blue. Blue is a good color.
 
2013-04-16 12:19:28 PM
Those biplanes are a nightmare.


www.treocentral.com
 
2013-04-16 12:19:42 PM

FlashHarry: ferretman: I am curious to know how Iraq sized-up compared to Best Korea.

iraq's military was decimated by 12 years of sanctions. NK, on the other hand, has a million-man army that will fight to the death for its "dear leader."


Doesn't really matter. America has all of the tools to completely obliterate a standing army (and if it actually happens it would be with support from Worst Korea and at least some support from China.) Figuring out what to do afterwards will be the hard part. That's why we don't want to invade. What do you do with millions of starving peasants half of whom are probably going crazy because they bought into a personality cult that just disintegrated before their eyes? It's a boondoggle nobody wants to touch.
 
2013-04-16 12:21:05 PM

Nuclear Monk: Worse....they have some of these stockpiled.[2.bp.blogspot.com image 799x379]


Really? I thought they ate those...
 
2013-04-16 12:21:33 PM
Yay, the National Post is on Fark. They do some really great graphics. Check out the Walking Dead body count one if you can dig it up on the site.
 
2013-04-16 12:21:45 PM

FlashHarry: ferretman: I am curious to know how Iraq sized-up compared to Best Korea.

iraq's military was decimated by 12 years of sanctions. NK, on the other hand, has a million-man army that will fight to the death for its "dear leader."


Much like Iraq;  It's hard for that million man army to fight missiles raining down on them.  Regular infantry is only used as an occupying force or for weeding out small pockets of combatants.
 
2013-04-16 12:30:34 PM

Elegy: In other news, Edward Tufte last seen beating the staff of the National Post to death with their own shoes.


OK I going to nominate this post as the best Human Factors joke on Fark in at least the last decade[1]!  Maybe it is because I just bought the most recent version of his book a few weeks ago for work.

I love using the phrase "data to ink" ratio in front of the marketing wonks.  I shouldn't take pleasure in that but it is very satisfying!


[1] that I caught at least.
 
2013-04-16 12:32:51 PM
I wonder how many of the submarines, ships, patrol boats, planes, tanks, etc can actually make it to sea / air / down the street.

Having the items is one thing.  The ability to actually put to sea, take to the air, fire up and move is something entirely different.

Not that knocking all of that to the bottom of the Korean Sea or out of the air would be a cakewalk, but stationery targets are much much easier.
 
2013-04-16 12:34:43 PM

Canton: spawn73: Wolf_Blitzer: Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?

I think it's so you can see that you're scrolling.

Still not a great design. They should have chosen a color other than something that suggests a vehicle is (perhaps) there but out of commission. Like blue. Blue is a good color.


Or how about just including a single picture of each and writing *237 if they had 237 of that biplane.

Though at least they didn't have pictures of 1million soldiers.
 
2013-04-16 12:35:25 PM

DubtodaIll: Biplane trifecta in play.

I would also like to see this done with the American military arsenal.


Yeah, when you look at the US military side-by-side, it's laughable.  Even if the two countries were at the same level technologically, the US has just more of pretty much everything.  But, of course, they're not at the same level.

The North Korean military is not stupid, though.  They know these things.  It is built around asymetric warfare, though.  Look at how much of this is designed to be super portable, hide-in-shadows kinds of things.  They have a military built around moving guerilla fighters quietly throughout South Korea, using artillery to massacre civilians, and use massive numbers of portable anti-air weapons to try to knock US planes down.

Their navy is a joke -- except for the various ships designed to look like civilians that smuggle minisubs in to deploy commandos.  Their air force is a joke -- except for the tiny, quiet, slow, nearly-radar-invisible planes designed to deploy commandos.  Their army is a joke -- except for the massive amounts of artillery that they can deploy to rain fire down upon civilian cities.
 
2013-04-16 12:37:35 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-16 12:38:05 PM
that's an impressive collection, but we wouldn't fight them on the terms they'd want
 
2013-04-16 12:42:48 PM

ferretman: Even though almost all their equipment is outdated...it wouldn't be a 'cake-walk' for the US and Worst Korea. I am curious to know how Iraq sized-up compared to Best Korea.


In 1991, Iraq had pretty close to what Best Korea has now, and South Korea has pretty close to what Schwarzkopf had. But the terrain is completely different, so there's no chance of a 96-hour war. Any conventional war that involves infantry slugging it out in the Korean mountains is going to be horrific, even with complete air supremacy. But you don't have to invade North Korea to render it militarily harmless; you just have to kill all its airplanes and bomb the crap out of anything moving on the roads, and wait for its million-man army to starve for lack of fuel and food in a week or two. Precision weapons make that viable now, unlike in the 1970s and before.
 
2013-04-16 12:45:07 PM

GAT_00: Ask the Germans how annoying biplanes can be.  For that matter, NK used them effectively against us in the Korean War.


This.  Just because something is old technology doesn't means it is obsolete for every purpose.  I wonder if a F-22 could even find a biplane flying at 100 feet and 70mph.
 
2013-04-16 12:46:43 PM

meanmutton: Wolf_Blitzer: Do they explain anywhere why some silhouettes are orange?

Breaks up the rows so you get an idea of how many they are.


Actually, Best Korea copied our pink submarine technology.
 
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