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(Fox 31 Denver)   Two brothers file discrimination lawsuit for being required to do what everyone else does   (kdvr.com ) divider line 285
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2013-04-16 09:32:09 AM  
After agreeing to do so and taking their seats, brothers Miles and MacCraig Warren saw a white and a Filipino passenger both wearing jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - the same attire the Warren's had been wearing prior to boarding.

The correlation between asshattery and poor reading skills is remarkably strong and consistent.
 
2013-04-16 09:44:09 AM  
But the jeans worn by those other guys were pulled up above the knees...
 
2013-04-16 10:04:14 AM  
MacCraig? I work in a clinic in Baltimore that serves about a 99% black clientele and that's a new one to me.
 
2013-04-16 10:05:13 AM  
They are going to get their asses handed to them in court.
 
2013-04-16 10:07:02 AM  
Seriously? They need dress codes on planes for anything?
 
2013-04-16 10:07:18 AM  
The whole double standard for non-revenue passengers seems a bit sketchy.  Not racially biased, but just sketchy.  Clearly you can make your employees adhere to a dress code, but if someone is a customer, they're a customer.  If they happen to be a non-revenue customer using a buddy pass/"gift card", that is a problem with your business model, not their problem.

/meanwhile I bet the employee who gave them the buddy passes is rather pissed off over the fact they're now suing his workplace
//damn career limiting friends
 
2013-04-16 10:07:26 AM  
There's a pretty good chance that the employee who gave them the buddy passes will be chastised in some form by the airline too.  There is an agreement on the part of the employee that they will not share buddy passes with anyone that is too stupid or too stubborn to abide by or understand the rules of flying non-rev, or anyone who causes a scene in any way.

Dumbass tag is well deserved.
 
2013-04-16 10:07:57 AM  

Diogenes: After agreeing to do so and taking their seats, brothers Miles and MacCraig Warren saw a white and a Filipino passenger both wearing jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - the same attire the Warren's had been wearing prior to boarding.

The correlation between asshattery and poor reading skills is remarkably strong and consistent.


If you read further into the article, you'll understand why Subby is correct...
 
2013-04-16 10:10:20 AM  
"This is definitely racial discrimination and a violation of their civil rights."

Well to be fair they were actually just concerned about their safety, never know when someone might jump from the shadows to shoot the unarmed hooded person
 
2013-04-16 10:11:17 AM  
There's a dress code in First Class?  Every time I fly First I look like a total scrub, nobody has ever said anything about it.
 
2013-04-16 10:11:21 AM  
Pretty sure those guys just lost a buddy.
 
2013-04-16 10:12:51 AM  

iron_city_ap: They are going to get their asses handed to them in court.


No, the airline will settle quite promptly in fact.

Of course Fox ran with the idea that there are different standards for First Class based upon how much you paid, but that isn't going to hold up too well. This comes close to requiring that they enter the plane through the 'servant's door' - just another way to treat them differently. They should have no trouble finding a bucketload of white people that got 'free upgrades' to First Class that were allowed to wear denim. Hell, I've gotten several upgrades to First Class on American and I usually wear jeans since I have to travel the evening before engagements since I show up early and unannounced.
 
2013-04-16 10:13:33 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Seriously? They need dress codes on planes for anything?


Thenairline is trying to protect its price structure. The ridiculous amount they charge for first class makes them do crap like this. I don't really disagree with it. They don't fark with people who pay in full doing their own thing because they want that repeat business. If they lose those two customers it matters to them. Losing two like these means little to nothing (most often).
 
2013-04-16 10:14:19 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Seriously? They need dress codes on planes for anything?

Thenairline is trying to protect its price structure. The ridiculous amount they charge for first class makes them do crap like this. I don't really disagree with it. They don't fark with people who pay in full doing their own thing because they want that repeat business. If they lose those two customers it matters to them. Losing two like these means little to nothing (most often).


*The airline*
Damn touchscreen.
 
2013-04-16 10:14:37 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Seriously? They need dress codes on planes for anything?


As if first class is something special. Is farking Deano coming around the cabin to serenade your best gal while the port comes up to room temperature and the lobster boils away in the kitchen?

It's a goddamn cattle car - "first class" is where they give you enough room to move. It's not a privilege, it's how flying should be.

// maybe I'm just pissed because coach for me is like trying to make an 18-wheeler maneuver around a dirt-bike track at full speed
// I've been arguing for a "big people section" (not "fat" - I mostly mean "tall" or "broad"); like the exit-row reserved for people who need it, not an 8 year old and his 5'2 mommy
 
2013-04-16 10:15:05 AM  
One rule for paying customers, one rule for 'freebies'?

'dafuq did I just read?
 
2013-04-16 10:15:10 AM  
I bet they biatched about the other not keeping his hands on their half of the seat during long car rides.
 
2013-04-16 10:15:32 AM  

sevenpointsixtwo: There's a dress code in First Class?  Every time I fly First I look like a total scrub, nobody has ever said anything about it.


If you are paying full price for a ticket you can wear what you want.  If you are flying on a buddy pass or an employee flight pass (non rev), you must wear minimum business casual to be seated in first class (if there are seats available).  If you are flying non rev and wearing shorts, jeans, anything less than business casual, you absolutely will be seated in coach, even if first class is empty.

/husband worked for  Delta for 16 years and took an early retirement
//well versed on the buddy pass/employee flight pass card thing
//My buddies bring me back gifts of exotic liquor, not shame and embarrassment, when we give them buddy passes
 
2013-04-16 10:16:01 AM  
Having flown via "Buddy Pass" a number of times, I can say that I was made aware of the airline regs each and every time one was handed to me. The employee knows it's his ass if there is any scene.
 
2013-04-16 10:16:55 AM  
*reads start of article*

Wait, it sounds like the headline we got wasn't quite...

As it turns out, the Warren brothers had not paid full price for their first class tickets, but rather were provided with the premium seats thanks to a buddy pass given to them by a family friend, who is a U.S. Airways employee. The white and Filipino passenger had both paid full price for their first class tickets.
It is not unusual for airlines to require require employees and other "non-revenue" passengers to adhere to a dress code when utilizing a discounted fare. Diggs said his clients were unaware of the policy, but Lehmacher said U.S. Airways employees are trained to instruct all buddy pass recipients of the airlines' policies.


Oh.  That clears things up a little bit...although still a douchey thing not to, you know, make sure they knew in advance...
 
2013-04-16 10:17:23 AM  

madgonad: iron_city_ap: They are going to get their asses handed to them in court.

No, the airline will settle quite promptly in fact.

Of course Fox ran with the idea that there are different standards for First Class based upon how much you paid, but that isn't going to hold up too well. This comes close to requiring that they enter the plane through the 'servant's door' - just another way to treat them differently. They should have no trouble finding a bucketload of white people that got 'free upgrades' to First Class that were allowed to wear denim. Hell, I've gotten several upgrades to First Class on American and I usually wear jeans since I have to travel the evening before engagements since I show up early and unannounced.


Free upgrades are different from non-rev.  This won't last 5 seconds in court.  When they used the buddy pass they agreed to certain standards, the dress code among them.  The people getting the upgrade didn't do that.
 
Ant
2013-04-16 10:20:22 AM  
WTF? There's a dress code for first class?
 
2013-04-16 10:20:24 AM  
I bet they talked during the in flight movie also...
 
2013-04-16 10:20:52 AM  

Dr Dreidel: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Seriously? They need dress codes on planes for anything?

As if first class is something special. Is farking Deano coming around the cabin to serenade your best gal while the port comes up to room temperature and the lobster boils away in the kitchen?

It's a goddamn cattle car - "first class" is where they give you enough room to move. It's not a privilege, it's how flying should be.

// maybe I'm just pissed because coach for me is like trying to make an 18-wheeler maneuver around a dirt-bike track at full speed
// I've been arguing for a "big people section" (not "fat" - I mostly mean "tall" or "broad"); like the exit-row reserved for people who need it, not an 8 year old and his 5'2 mommy


Shows how much you know, fatty. An 8-yr-old wouldn't be allowed to sit in the emergency exit row.
 
2013-04-16 10:22:10 AM  

Lidocaine: Diogenes: After agreeing to do so and taking their seats, brothers Miles and MacCraig Warren saw a white and a Filipino passenger both wearing jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - the same attire the Warren's had been wearing prior to boarding.

The correlation between asshattery and poor reading skills is remarkably strong and consistent.

If you read further into the article, you'll understand why Subby is correct...


Technically but I can also see why the uneven application of the dress code in this case would feel belittling to African Americans even if that wasn't what it was about.
 
2013-04-16 10:22:12 AM  

Ant: WTF? There's a dress code for first class?


Airlines are desperately trying to hold on to th 50s.  Sunday dress would still be required for everyone if they could get away with it.
 
2013-04-16 10:22:39 AM  

ha-ha-guy: The whole double standard for non-revenue passengers seems a bit sketchy.  Not racially biased, but just sketchy.  Clearly you can make your employees adhere to a dress code, but if someone is a customer, they're a customer.  If they happen to be a non-revenue customer using a buddy pass/"gift card", that is a problem with your business model, not their problem.


Yeah, it's especially sketchy if it's not strictly enforced. What's the point of the policy if it's not? As any Fark follower knows, being able to afford expensive things is not a guarantee that you won't dress and act like a douchebag. If I've paid full for first class, I'd expect that gives me the privilege to not having to see Justin Bieber's pink adult diaper pants, for example.
 
2013-04-16 10:22:51 AM  

ha-ha-guy: non-revenue customer


Think about that for a while.
 
2013-04-16 10:23:54 AM  
Ha, I'm friends with the flight attendant who gave them the buddy passes, so I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.

/she's PISSED
 
2013-04-16 10:24:18 AM  

iron_city_ap: They are going to get their asses handed to them in court.


What about their 40 acres?

so very sorry
 
2013-04-16 10:26:30 AM  
They look liked they dressed fine to me

markosun.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-16 10:26:47 AM  

freetomato: If you are flying non rev and wearing shorts, jeans, anything less than business casual, you absolutely will be seated in coach, even if first class is empty.


and
It is not unusual for airlines to require require employees and other "non-revenue" passengers to adhere to a dress code when utilizing a discounted fare.

That's still damn retarded.
 
Biv
2013-04-16 10:27:50 AM  

Diogenes: After agreeing to do so and taking their seats, brothers Miles and MacCraig Warren saw a white and a Filipino passenger both wearing jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - the same attire the Warren's had been wearing prior to boarding.

The correlation between asshattery and poor reading skills is remarkably strong and consistent.

"It is not unusual for airlines to require require employees and other "non-revenue" passengers to adhere to a dress code when utilizing a discounted fare "



Indeed.
 
2013-04-16 10:28:02 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: freetomato: If you are flying non rev and wearing shorts, jeans, anything less than business casual, you absolutely will be seated in coach, even if first class is empty.

and
It is not unusual for airlines to require require employees and other "non-revenue" passengers to adhere to a dress code when utilizing a discounted fare.

That's still damn retarded.


who wants the poors dressed like poors when they're flying First Class?
 
2013-04-16 10:28:42 AM  

flak attack: madgonad: iron_city_ap: They are going to get their asses handed to them in court.

No, the airline will settle quite promptly in fact.

Of course Fox ran with the idea that there are different standards for First Class based upon how much you paid, but that isn't going to hold up too well. This comes close to requiring that they enter the plane through the 'servant's door' - just another way to treat them differently. They should have no trouble finding a bucketload of white people that got 'free upgrades' to First Class that were allowed to wear denim. Hell, I've gotten several upgrades to First Class on American and I usually wear jeans since I have to travel the evening before engagements since I show up early and unannounced.

Free upgrades are different from non-rev.  This won't last 5 seconds in court.  When they used the buddy pass they agreed to certain standards, the dress code among them.  The people getting the upgrade didn't do that.


No - revenue source doesn't matter either. This will look like they are sending them to the back of the bus in court. They have a ticket and are allowed to publicly board an airplane as a first class passenger. The general public - that saw them being treated differently - isn't aware of how they got the tickets. This would be like the airline serving them fried chicken and watermelon while the other First Class customers ate steak and lobster. They are openly and notoriously treating them as a different class than their boarding assignment.

All they have to prove is that the airline isn't enforcing the policy equitably - so they just need to find a white person in First Class with jeans. If anything, the 'buddy pass' creates a higher burden of treatment since the user didn't agree to any contracts in order to acquire use.
 
2013-04-16 10:28:44 AM  

Helena Handbasket: Shows how much you know, fatty. An 8-yr-old wouldn't be allowed to sit in the emergency exit row.


Silly me. I forgot about the "bratty kid" section, which extends from the row behind the exit row to the last row of coach.

// due to the seating/space conditions on aircraft, I fly very little - last June was my last flight
// have driven to FL to avoid the leg cramps, gaterape, etc
// 6'4, 260 - maybe fat, but without lopping my legs at the knees, I will always be wedged in coach seats
// last summer, I discovered that Xanax is my bestest plane-friend
 
2013-04-16 10:29:09 AM  

Biv: Diogenes: After agreeing to do so and taking their seats, brothers Miles and MacCraig Warren saw a white and a Filipino passenger both wearing jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - the same attire the Warren's had been wearing prior to boarding.

The correlation between asshattery and poor reading skills is remarkably strong and consistent.

"It is not unusual for airlines to require require employees and other "non-revenue" passengers to adhere to a dress code when utilizing a discounted fare "


Indeed.


I stand by my reading.  It's a stupid and unevenly applied policy.
 
2013-04-16 10:29:17 AM  

Overused Expression: Oh.  That clears things up a little bit...although still a douchey thing not to, you know, make sure they knew in advance..


Yeah, and that's entirely on the friend that gave them the passes. They got set up for an incident by that person. How do you not go "hey, here are my passes, and its my job and reputation at stake, so dress well"
 
2013-04-16 10:30:11 AM  
I've found that simply dressing like an adult can often qualify you for free upgrades. Coach is full, but there are seats in First? You give the upgrade to the guy wearing a suit.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:27 AM  

ha-ha-guy: The whole double standard for non-revenue passengers seems a bit sketchy.  Not racially biased, but just sketchy.  Clearly you can make your employees adhere to a dress code, but if someone is a customer, they're a customer.  If they happen to be a non-revenue customer using a buddy pass/"gift card", that is a problem with your business model, not their problem.


Non-revs aren't customers.  They can be bumped for any reason including the airline wanting to load more cargo on board.
 
2013-04-16 10:30:36 AM  

Diogenes: Biv: Diogenes: After agreeing to do so and taking their seats, brothers Miles and MacCraig Warren saw a white and a Filipino passenger both wearing jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - the same attire the Warren's had been wearing prior to boarding.

The correlation between asshattery and poor reading skills is remarkably strong and consistent.

"It is not unusual for airlines to require require employees and other "non-revenue" passengers to adhere to a dress code when utilizing a discounted fare "


Indeed.

I stand by my reading.  It's a stupid and unevenly applied policy.


And for the record, Subby said "required to do what everyone else does," which clearly is not the case in this instance.
 
2013-04-16 10:31:02 AM  
Digitalstrange:

Technically but I can also see why the uneven application of the dress code in this case would feel belittling to African Americans even if that wasn't what it was about.

Not sure what they (the airlines) expect. It is a pretty retarded business model. Having a double standard rule for any reason is just asking for problems like this.  It is one thing to charge extra for legroom and fancy meals, but it is another thing to charge extra to not lord over you like some tin hord feudal lord.  If you don't want to give away first class seats to the riff raff, then don't do it.  But doing it and then hassling them to make sure that they know they don't deserve to be there is a stupid business model.
 
2013-04-16 10:31:16 AM  

madgonad: No - revenue source doesn't matter either. This will look like they are sending them to the back of the bus in court. They have a ticket and are allowed to publicly board an airplane as a first class passenger. The general public - that saw them being treated differently - isn't aware of how they got the tickets. This would be like the airline serving them fried chicken and watermelon while the other First Class customers ate steak and lobster. They are openly and notoriously treating them as a different class than their boarding assignment.

All they have to prove is that the airline isn't enforcing the policy equitably - so they just need to find a white person in First Class with jeans. If anything, the 'buddy pass' creates a higher burden of treatment since the user didn't agree to any contracts in order to acquire use.


GED in law?
 
2013-04-16 10:31:19 AM  
They weren't customers. When you're non-revenue, you're exactly that. NON-REVENUE. The fees you pay are solely for the processing of your ticket and such. The airline isn't making a profit from you. Most airline employees are given a certain number of guest passes per year to give to family and friends for standby travel.

You're a guest of the airline and the employee who gave you the pass. It is very much a privilege and not a right. You're not a paying customer. You have to play by their rules. In every employee travel guide for every airline I've worked for it explicitly defines a dress code for this type of travel. For first class, it's business casual at a bare minimum. It also explicitly states that in using the pass, you agree to understand you are not guaranteed travel on any specific flight, in first class, etc. Essentially, if you get on the flight, feel lucky, be gracious, look nice, and stay out of the way. Employees are responsible for their guests following the procedures and they can be terminated for their guests so much as arguing with a flight attendant. I've seen it happen.

These idiots weren't victims of descrimination. They're victims of entitlement and a lack of knowledge. Crap like this is why racism still exists. Getting handed a special opportunity, having a minor inconvenience along the way, and instead of realizing that this is the real world and you can't always have it your way... Pulling the race card and filing a lawsuit. Wtf is wrong with people?
 
2013-04-16 10:32:00 AM  
They said on the news that they flew on buddy passes and that there is a dress code they have to follow.
/ non story
// move along citizen
 
2013-04-16 10:32:09 AM  

madgonad: iron_city_ap: They are going to get their asses handed to them in court.

No, the airline will settle quite promptly in fact.

Of course Fox ran with the idea that there are different standards for First Class based upon how much you paid, but that isn't going to hold up too well. This comes close to requiring that they enter the plane through the 'servant's door' - just another way to treat them differently. They should have no trouble finding a bucketload of white people that got 'free upgrades' to First Class that were allowed to wear denim. Hell, I've gotten several upgrades to First Class on American and I usually wear jeans since I have to travel the evening before engagements since I show up early and unannounced.


I severely doubt it.

As an employee, you, and anybody traveling on your passes has a dress code to adhere to. You usually sign a paper agreeing to abide by the company's policies. The employee is responsible to tell the people using his/her passes about the dress code. Its an established policy that isn't new and applies to everyone. This wasn't an isolated incident by any stretch of the imagination. The brothers have no case. Now, if the gate agent or flight attendant started dropping N bombs, they would, but its a little late to add that to the suit.

There is a massive difference when traveling as a revenue passenger and a non-revenue one. I only grew up as an airline brat and have worked for one for the last 15 years, so I may be confused about how it works.
 
2013-04-16 10:34:30 AM  

GWSuperfan: I've found that simply dressing like an adult can often qualify you for free upgrades. Coach is full, but there are seats in First? You give the upgrade to the guy wearing a suit.


Works for me. Turtleneck and blazer, no facial tatoos.
 
2013-04-16 10:34:35 AM  
GIS for "first class slob":

f0.bcbits.com
 
Biv
2013-04-16 10:35:29 AM  

Diogenes: Diogenes: Biv: Diogenes: After agreeing to do so and taking their seats, brothers Miles and MacCraig Warren saw a white and a Filipino passenger both wearing jeans and a hooded sweatshirt - the same attire the Warren's had been wearing prior to boarding.

The correlation between asshattery and poor reading skills is remarkably strong and consistent.

"It is not unusual for airlines to require require employees and other "non-revenue" passengers to adhere to a dress code when utilizing a discounted fare "


Indeed.

I stand by my reading.  It's a stupid and unevenly applied policy.

And for the record, Subby said "required to do what everyone else does," which clearly is not the case in this instance.


Yes, it is.  Everyone else who doesn't pay full price has to follow a dress code.  What is so hard to understand here?  Don't like it? Sit in the back with the rest of the scum.
 
2013-04-16 10:35:41 AM  

stonicus: I bet they talked during the in flight movie also...


"I TOLD you not to open that door!  Don't you blame ME!"
 
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