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(Salon)   Bostonian and noted author Dennis Lehane shares his thoughts on yesterday's tragic bombing: "Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"   (salon.com ) divider line 45
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2013-04-16 10:13:21 AM  
8 votes:
I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.
2013-04-16 10:22:45 AM  
7 votes:
More importantly, the people who are watching this unfold and praying the culprits belong to a specific group (radical Islamists, Tea Party, etc) are the ones who need to be removed from any position of power, or at the very least disabused of their backwards worldview.
2013-04-16 11:53:43 AM  
6 votes:
Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.
2013-04-16 11:04:37 AM  
6 votes:
I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.
2013-04-16 11:21:22 AM  
5 votes:

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.
2013-04-16 11:27:09 AM  
4 votes:

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


I know what you mean and I agree but the US military has killed a lot of people in recent years. Is America a pestilence? Many people around the world would say yes. Everything is relative.
2013-04-16 11:20:51 AM  
4 votes:
So... I assume he's pro-life.
2013-04-16 11:25:00 AM  
3 votes:
It's ok when WE do it, though.

You know how many children have been killed in Afghanistan by us? Just collateral damage. Eh, I'm sure a little cognitive dissidence goes a long way with this topic.

/Jesus Wept
2013-04-16 11:18:20 AM  
3 votes:
Including drone attacks?
2013-04-16 01:34:04 PM  
2 votes:

FarkinHostile: wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.

Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.


So there's like a checklist and as you check off life experiences your life becomes worth less? I haven't been married or had kids yet. So is my life worth more than the guy's next door who has 4 kids and 2 grandkids? I get what you're trying to say (and I have really thought about it). I just can't get to that place.

I just don't think it is my place to say whether one life is worth more than another. I believe the life of someone who is willing to take other's lives to further their own (or for whatever nefarious reason) is worth less than someone's who is not willing to kill--but that's about as far as I am willing to go.
2013-04-16 12:13:25 PM  
2 votes:
"Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"
A statement which many people would agree with, until they find out that the cause in question is one they agree with.
2013-04-16 11:58:52 AM  
2 votes:

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.
2013-04-16 11:57:02 AM  
2 votes:
I hate it when I read a sentence like, "Ten people, four of them children, were killed overnight when a missile slammed into..."

People use harm to kids to make rhetorical points about how bad or evil something is. To my mind, any innocent non-combatant life is as valuable as any other. Newswriters and journalists immediately latch on to any statistic involving children to make their piece seem more important, to make the violence seem more senseless. Sure, children deserve protection. They aren't able to defend themselves like adults can. It's why if there is some catastrophe you should try to help the kids first--they can't help themselves.

But after it's all said and done, their lives aren't any more important than the meter-maid, the banker, the barista, or the bricklayer. When people start getting all melodramatic about the kids it really turns me off. No matter if it was 20 kids who were killed or 20 seniors that were killed--it was still 20 people. When we start saying it's worse that one group of people was killed as opposed to this other group of people: we really need to slow down and think about what we're saying.

And before you start saying that I think it would be just as bad for 20 kids to be hurt as it would be for 20 death-row inmates--stop. I'm not saying that. I don't believe that. I'm talking about regular people leading normal lives, not killers.

Maybe even I need to stop and think about what I'm saying...
2013-04-16 11:47:13 AM  
2 votes:
The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".
2013-04-16 11:35:07 AM  
2 votes:
I take comfort knowing that one person, or perhaps a few, caused this horrible event.

But hundreds ran into danger to help.  Thousands more provided material aid.  And millions are demanding the people responsible be brought to justice.

We out number the bad guys.  They can't win.
2013-04-16 11:30:56 AM  
2 votes:
I get what he was saying. But that was a poorly written piece of crap. Take more time to collect your thoughts, please.
2013-04-16 11:28:55 AM  
2 votes:

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


That's exactly what we need at a time like this: pedantry. You sure showed those people who are condemning this attack.
2013-04-16 11:24:15 AM  
2 votes:

This text is now purple: So... I assume he's pro-life.


can u not
2013-04-16 11:23:41 AM  
2 votes:
What happened was terrible, but the author is being simplistic. Every war ever has killed kids. A bombing campaign or artillery strike may not intentionally target kids but everyone knows they'll, at some point or other, be caught in it.

I am not condoning and I have no solutions either. I am just saying.
2013-04-16 02:52:14 PM  
1 vote:

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


A child is more "innocent," to use a cliche but relatively true statement....they don't have the prejudices, political or religious views of adults...they are weaker and have very little say as they are still developing their minds. It is a base human instinct to protect children as they are our next generation and therefore our future...when they die we have failed them and ourselves.
2013-04-16 02:37:40 PM  
1 vote:

neversubmit: Name one good thing about killing kids.


They wont turn into teenagers.

Stil waiting for a group to claim responsibility. Whats the point of doing this big public bombing and not taking credit, unless your just some crazy person.
2013-04-16 01:13:11 PM  
1 vote:
"Any cause which kills kids is a pestilence".

Oh, I'm sure the anti-abortion crowd won't try to make political points from that. Nuh uh. Nosirree.
2013-04-16 12:59:19 PM  
1 vote:

unlikely: I'm caught up in the emotion of the moment now, and I recognize that next week I may be more rational. But right now at this moment, if we find out what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction, I would favor eradicating it and its adherents from the face of the earth.

I hold this out as proof positive that I do not belong in politics. Unfortunately, there are those who are thinking in 100% accord with me that ARE in positions of authority, and even now in my angry state, I recognize that we need to be smarter than that.


Reminds me of how blinded by rage and yet how I recognized no one should act on similar impulses right after 9/11. Good on you for wanting a moment to breath before talking about doing something in response to this.
2013-04-16 12:31:41 PM  
1 vote:

ltdanman44: We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.


War. War never changes...
2013-04-16 12:26:57 PM  
1 vote:
We are all just poo flinging monkeys when you get right down to it.  Tribal warfare continues to be what humans do best.  We are never going to stop killing each other so get used to it.


/Kinda like taxes and death.
2013-04-16 12:15:44 PM  
1 vote:
One of the guys from Abba went a bit off piste this morning on BBC.

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/76960577.html

"The Swedish songwriter was a guest on BBC Breakfast this morning talking about his career when he was asked why he looked so well.

Bjorn, 67, answered: "Well, I don't know, running, is good unless you're in the Boston Marathon."
2013-04-16 12:14:49 PM  
1 vote:
He better avoid that third Hunger games movie.
2013-04-16 12:14:14 PM  
1 vote:

FarkinHostile: wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.

Well, I find the death of a child or young person more tragic because they didn't have a chance to experience enough Life. Falling in love, getting drunk with good friends, seeing the world, becoming friends with your parents...even  the ugly parts, like having your heart broken, losing a friend, having a parent die, ect. I mean I've done all those things, so if I were killed it's not as bad in my eyes as a child who hasn't had a chance to...live.


That was the thought I had. 20 senior citizens at the end phase of their life have lived through all the stages. Anything they missed out on doing was due to choices they made. 20 kids just beginning their life haven't had the chances to make those choices. Plus people grieve for an adult family member who is killed one way, but when it is a child the parents (if they aren't the ones that killed him/her) are broken afterwards. Its not just the child who passes that I see as more sad, it is the pain that their family goes through. The guilt of not protecting them enough (even if that guilt is wrong and nothing could be done)

Maybe it is because I have small kids and the idea scares the shiat out of me. That is probably why the news uses that angle. They know it scares the crap out of parents.
2013-04-16 12:08:33 PM  
1 vote:

computerguyUT: So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.


The last country that went around bullying the world got its ass handed to it. Should we expect anything different? I am thinking that it was more along the lines of a sociopath than an organisation
2013-04-16 12:07:10 PM  
1 vote:

Debeo Summa Credo: CygnusDarius: The thing I fear the most is that the bomber turns out that is a sociopath, who did it because "he was bored".

Why?


Because it involves a frightening level of disconnection with humanity, at least IMO, and I'm no psychologist. I mean, you really can't 'punish' that kind of people, because they seem to feel nothing, kind of like this guy.
2013-04-16 11:58:46 AM  
1 vote:

wambu: Why is a child's life more valuable than any other? This act is an outrage no matter who was killed or injured. To make it "more special" because a child was a victim is duplicitous demagog-ish douchebaggery at its best. Lehane is simply being self-aggrandizing and sensationalistic.


Agreed. This is what I was trying to say, just not quite as succinctly.
2013-04-16 11:57:00 AM  
1 vote:

unlikely: what cause or ideology that bomber was trying to advance with his random destruction


This is where I get hung up. The only result of a random civilian bombing is how it affects the emotional state. It doesn't strike at a system.

If you are fighting for the people you don't blow up the people. If you want to strike out at a system, you blow up something integral to the system, not a group of random people. That doesn't get any point across (despite the high profile). You yourself are standing here going "what's the point?". Exactly.

I can't go with the "but you can't understand the crazy". Not good enough. Unless this is a random mental case and has no real purpose.

/Without the message, the messenger is useless.
2013-04-16 11:51:35 AM  
1 vote:
"Any 'cause' which kills kids is a pestilence"

So, all of them?
2013-04-16 11:47:48 AM  
1 vote:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Meh, there are crazy people in every organization of over 1 person.


I'm an organization of one and I'm crazy. Not that crazy, but still crazy.
2013-04-16 11:47:47 AM  
1 vote:
Um, the problem with terrorism is not the cause it is the means to advance the cause. You can find people using violence to promote any cause, or no cause. (think Columbine -- or Aurora?)
2013-04-16 11:47:41 AM  
1 vote:
So when we drone-bomb the shiat out of a middle eastern residence and take out a "suspected terrorist" along with his three wives and all of his kids, (NOT refering to Obama Bin Laden)  it's okay cause you can wrap the whole incident in a nice pretty flag and rationalize it because, you know...  progress.

But when one of these people, who's countries we have invaded and occupied, who has no other recourse or way to vent their anger, sets off a bomb in the US, it's all what, what? and rage and blah, blah...

If a foreign country occupied the USA, we would mount a guerilla offensive that would shake the world.

Not saying the bombing in Bawstun was wrong, it absolutely was a horrific act, just saying that it should not be a huge surprise.

We need to get out of the rest of the planet's grill and worry about our own issues.  Maybe our image globally would improve a bit.  Let the UN and China be the big dogs, let them suffer the slings and arrows.  I'm tired of everyone hating America because we can't mind our own freaking business.
2013-04-16 11:46:46 AM  
1 vote:
What if your cause is the killing of children?
2013-04-16 11:43:31 AM  
1 vote:

HAMMERTOE: Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.

Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/


The part I fear is that no matter who did it, doesn't matter if it was domestic or foreign, a group or a lone nut, is that we could be facing another round of post 9/11 changes.  TSA style security at sporting events and concerts.  Lists of people who can't attend large functions similar to a no fly list, more security cameras, more stuff that erodes our freedoms, gets in our way, takes away privacy, and in the long run does nothing.

If I ever wanted to make sure that women never again carried around purses, I'd buy a bunch of knock off Louis Vitton purses, put my explosives into them, sew them shut and pay a bunch of women $50 to walk around a crowded area with them, let everyone get a good look at those purses and then blow them all up.  When the government receives the report explaining that all the explosives were in purses, the first step will be no more purses in crowded areas that aren't see thru, followed by the same rule for back packs and shopping bags.
2013-04-16 11:34:54 AM  
1 vote:

HAMMERTOE: Ned Stark: I dearly hope its domestic just so we don't farking invade a country over it to see what rights and liberties we're going to have taken next.

Obama knows better than to invade anybody other than pacifist white Americans, and even those, he'd rather deal with by drone.

/You know it's true/


Tell a Libyan.
2013-04-16 11:33:56 AM  
1 vote:
we're all just kids

/older
//wiser
///dumber
////kids
2013-04-16 11:30:42 AM  
1 vote:
Wow...the Adweek headline is science fiction writing at its finest. I wonder when people will stop saying that Huxley and Orwell are satire and start treating their books like the straightforward blueprints for the 21st century. Will the current generation of highschoolers even know they were satire, once? In fact, Adweek's response used to be considered the propaganda of fascism. I really, really hope the abreaction in salon.com and places like Fark makes the copy writers for Adweek write less cynically in the future.
2013-04-16 11:29:17 AM  
1 vote:

Terrydatroll: scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.

Causes that killed men, women and children :

American Revolution (cause was freedom)
Civil War ( cause was to rid our country of slavery)
WW2 9 (Defeat Nazi Germany)
WW1 ( darn Germans again)
American Indians (lost cause to fight off European invaders)

Since these and countless other causes took innocent lives in their endeavors you are saying they were all pestilence? I think the author and we need to rethink this.


That was more to combat other causes that were infringing on causes that wouldn't affect anyone. American Revolution was to combat the cause of forcing religion/taxes on people. Civil War was to combat the idealogical cause that blacks were slaves and states were independent of a nation. WW1/2 are obvious.

War is a necessity at times, I won't dispute that. But the senseless killing for a cause is what I'm talking about. If it had only been adults that died yesterday, it would still be a pestilence.

And I know my initial post didn't say that and I apologize for that.
2013-04-16 11:26:58 AM  
1 vote:

thisiszombocom: Including drone attacks?


Not drone attacks.

Or any attacks initiated by the US of A.

God is on our side.

They hate us for our freedoms.

We will not back down in the Global War on Terrorism(GWoT).

Stuff happens.
2013-04-16 11:20:58 AM  
1 vote:
Wait so now we can't blow up kids with drone strikes? Man i'm really confused...
2013-04-16 11:09:37 AM  
1 vote:

scottydoesntknow: I'd venture to say that ANY cause which kills ANYONE is a pestilence.


I wouldn't go that far. I am pretty fond of the cause, "The Continued Existence of Gil Gigamesh" and would like to think that I would kill, if absolutely necessary, to further that cause.
 
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